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Question Does anyone have experience with All British Casino???

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by mathsboy1975, Jun 15, 2013.

    Jun 15, 2013
  1. mathsboy1975

    mathsboy1975 Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    software engineer
    Location:
    UK London
    I came across a link to a place called All British Casino and visited the site - it looks legit but I am no expert. There is a deposit bonus, but I am reluctant to sign up as they are not on the accredited list here. Does anyone know anything about them (good or bad) ?? I am going to wait until I hear something positive from members here before I actually sign up for an account.
     
  2. Jun 15, 2013
  3. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Monster
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    Hi mathsboy,

    Yes I have an account with them. They have a good support team and a decent SUB (20x). I am verified there and verification was pretty seamless. I have had no issues with them TBH and I know one of the Managers behind the brand. They ONLY offer GBP as a currency as the name would suggest :)

    Nate
     
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  4. Jun 15, 2013
  5. mathsboy1975

    mathsboy1975 Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    software engineer
    Location:
    UK London
    Thanks for your reply. I think on that basis I may give them a go. I don't suppose you know if they are associated with any other casinos (I only ask as I recently had a bonus issue with a new casino that happened to be a sister casino to one I already had an account with)?
     
  6. Jun 15, 2013
  7. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Monster
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    They do have sister Casino's BUT you won't qualify for the SUB there in any event. Their brands are very market (Country) specific. If you have any hassles pop me a PM and i'll try to assist:thumbsup:

    Nate
     
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  8. Jun 15, 2013
  9. tanga

    tanga Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Business Analyst
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Thanks Nate. Think I'll give it a try this evening, shame the bonus is a max of £50.
     
  10. Jun 15, 2013
  11. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    BEWARE the bonus there - according to the terms the cash deposit is played FIRST - fine, not a problem. It goes on to say you CANNOT w/d until the WR has been met.

    So, if I read this correct - I deposit 50 and get 50 bonus. I'm playing cash first. I win 1k BEFORE I touch the bonus money. I cannot w/d.

    Now on many MG sites that do this, you CAN w/d your cash balance IF the bonus wasn't touched, obviously forfeiting said bonus.

    Unless I'm getting this wrong, this is good WR bonus but a bit predatory IMO.
     
  12. Jun 15, 2013
  13. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Everything is British, except for the gaming license, which is Malta. They will have to reconsider this in a couple of years as they will then need a UKGC license as well as any primary license.

    NetEnt browser based casino, and nothing obvious to set any alarm bells ringing.

    They appear to be a white label, so this would automatically disqualify them from accreditation, no matter how good they are.

    I would expect them to be advertising in the UK media as UK players usually have to fit in with casinos that were built up around the US market, or more recently the European market. Having everything that matters to most players geared specifically to the British market is bound to be a strong selling point. No fees on deposits and withdrawals, and withdrawals processed the next working day, which is how it used to be in the "good old days".

    They opened in 2012, so this is probably why many have not heard about it yet.
     
  14. Jun 15, 2013
  15. ChopleyIOM

    ChopleyIOM Hearthstone Addict webby

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    I think that's standard issue isn't it?

    As soon as you take the bonus then the entire balance (cash+bonus) is locked and unavailable for withdrawal until WR is met - it doesn't really matter if cash or bonus are played first since they're basically the same thing until WR is met.

    The only exception would be MG casinos running Clearplay (not many of those left now).
     
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  16. Jun 15, 2013
  17. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Well VPL have 9 skins that run Clearplay for a start, I think CR do too? It's a good system because (like when you hit the 5 sapphires/wilds on BDBA on your vid for 300) you can bin the bonus and take the cash. I don't think you had that chance on the one you were playing?

    At least they DO say that you will be warned if you attempt a W/D that would make you forfeit your winnings.....
     
  18. Jun 15, 2013
  19. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Well, to be honest VWM that's exactly the same 24hr. pending/no weekend cashouts as VPL do. And VPL have the Clearplay bonus system. I'd rather take theirs at 30x with clearplay than 20x without it. Plus VPL ain't white label. So, before you think about joining this lot, I'd suggest using one of VPL's 9 accredited skins. I can see no reason to play there unless you really want Netent only, and again you can play Netent at many casinos that pay you in minutes and are accredited. Not for me I'm afraid.
     
  20. Jun 15, 2013
  21. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I'm not really tempted, no fruities for a start:D

    Since they are aimed at the Brits, and only opened last year, I would have thought they would get a UK license right away. The problem now is that in 2 years they would have to, and as they are so UK focussed, they will probably be faced with getting the UK license or ditching almost their entire player base overnight.

    Other UK focussed casinos have been around for longer, and are all well known high street brands. Perhaps what many don't realise is that the high street brands don't actually own and run their online namesakes, and they are no closer to being "British born and bred" than this newcomer licensed in Malta.

    Take Vernons, it's actually run from Manila, and is a white label Playtech casino that has licensed the Vernon's brand. Vernons will get income from the venture, but they have little or no say in how it is operated. This is why a poster here was asked to send his documents to the Philippines, not the UK Vernons office.

    I know VPL also have the 24 hour cashout, as do Fortune Lounge, and of course 32Red (even quicker), but many that once had 24 hour cashouts have moved to 48 or even 72 hours as routine.

    It's possible that this new lot will move to less player friendly terms once it has enough of a player base to feel it can get away with it.

    There are a few minor details in the terms that show that they are not as "British" as they claim. For example, in the verification section they ask for "passport/ European ID", except that in Britain, the latter does not exist, and if they are exclusively for us Brits, why even mention something that does not apply here. It looks like a "cut & paste" job, i.e white label, with skins for every country claiming an "exclusive focus", but in fact it's an operator that markets to many countries, and thus the service is not going to be as tailored as one might think.

    The best move would be to wait a while to see if they generate complaints from British players who did not get what they thought they were signing up for.

    Malta is not exactly going to look after players if something goes wrong, like it did at Purple Lounge.
     
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  22. Jun 16, 2013
  23. mathsboy1975

    mathsboy1975 Senior Member webmeister

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    software engineer
    Location:
    UK London
    OK so I am new to this site and this has probably been answered a multitude of times but what exactly does "white label" mean??
     
  24. Jun 16, 2013
  25. L&L-Jan

    L&L-Jan Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    Malta
    Hi Guys,

    Good to see that we have been noticed with All British Casino!

    Let me introduce myself shortly: I'm Jan and I work as an affiliate manager for the brands which are owned and operated by L&L Europe Ltd. We currently have four online casinos which are aimed on a specific market. E.g. All British is aimed at players from the UK. Therefore only UK players will be able to receive our promotions and special offers. This doesn't mean we exclude players from other countries to play in our online casino, they are very welcome!
    That's why you might have read in our terms & conditions that for account verification a European ID is accepted.

    We have started with our first brand in 2012 and recently have added three new brands to our platform. So yes, we are very new in the market.

    Also I can read that our SUB T&C's are misinterpreted:
    If you make your first deposit of e.g. £ 50 and get another £ 50 bonus your balance will be £ 100. You start by playing your own money, if you manage to get a nice hit and you win e.g. £ 1000 you are able to withdrawal. In that case the bonus in your account will be forfeited.

    Regarding our withdrawals:
    Currently we process withdrawals the next business day for five days a week. In the near future our aim is to process withdrawals ASAP and are done seven days a week.

    The current brands owned and operated by L&L Europe Ltd. are not a white label solution. All operations are in-house.

    If you have any questions or suggestions, please share! I would love to hear them.
    You can leave a reply or PM me and I will answer them ASAP.

    Kind regards,

    Jan
     
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  26. Jun 16, 2013
  27. mathsboy1975

    mathsboy1975 Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    software engineer
    Location:
    UK London
    I have a suggestion. If you have a casino called AllBritishCasino and are marketing it at British players, you might consider allowing new customers to validate their account using a British drivers license. I opened an account today and cannot get my account validated as my drivers license has been refused resulting in my account funds effectively now locked until I pay £90 to apply for a British passport. I can see you having future customers incensed by this (as I currently am).
     
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  28. Jun 16, 2013
  29. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Well of course they are 'misinterpreted' because your T&C's were not detailed enough and no mention is made of this obvious scenario. Or is the hope that the player would assume this was the case and wouldn't withdraw but continue playing?


    I'm not doubting the integrity of you and your site(s) but when you compare it to Guts say who have all the games plus IGT/MG favourites and free spins with fast24/7 w/d's etc. it doesn't really cut the mustard. Plus the guy above me said you don't accept the most commonplace UK photo ID, the Driving Licence. I have used the licence for every verification I've ever done, with no issues. Sorry, but I can see no reason to play there, and a few reasons not to at present.
     
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  30. Jun 16, 2013
  31. L&L-Jan

    L&L-Jan Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    Malta
    Thanks for the suggestion! The reason we do not accept a driver license (for any country) as an ID is because the regulation rules of our remote gaming license doesn't accept the documents as valid. I'll promise that tomorrow morning we will look in to the options if, and how, we can accept a driver license as a valid ID for our verification procedures.
     
  32. Jun 16, 2013
  33. L&L-Jan

    L&L-Jan Affiliate Manager for Accredited Casinos

    Occupation:
    Affiliate Manager
    Location:
    Malta
    Hi Dunover,
    We have tested this with in-experienced players and the outcome was positive. If you win and you want to request a withdrawal before you have met the wagering requirements you will receive a warning message that if you want to withdrawal the bonus will be forfeited.

    Imo. Winnings that you have won with your own money (your risk) should always be available for withdrawal and this is what our bonus T&C's are built on.

    Kind regards,

    Jan
     
  34. Jun 16, 2013
  35. GrandMaster

    GrandMaster Ueber Meister CAG

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    Mathematician by day, online gambler by night.
    Location:
    UK
    You appear to be licensed in Malta. There have been complaints about casinos licensed in Malta, but I don't recall any problems with driving licences not accepted as valid ID. In any case, you should have investigated the situation in the UK before launching a casino targeted at British customers.

    Could I also suggest that somebody proofread your webpages? Some examples: "These players can be situated and be residence of the United Kingdom", "All British Casino takes pride in providing the highest level of security for their player’s transactions and personal information", "This means that the whole casino has been based on everything British, no Euro's or even Dollars but just great British pounds", "Allbritishcasino.com remains reserved of the rights to change or alter these General Terms and Conditions".
     
  36. Jun 16, 2013
  37. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor Staff Member CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    Yes, because of my other criticisms I never picked on the grammar, but it's clearly from either a semi-literate or more likely a non-English natural. Another example being 'your withdraws'......

    And how come every other Maltese LGA casino can accept UK DL's as valid ID? Either they don't know their own alleged LGA or are under different rules.

    I can't believe these errors haven't been corrected in 1-2 years of existence.
     
  38. Jun 16, 2013
  39. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

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    Location:
    United Kingdom
    That's bollocks.

    EVERY casino regulated by the LGA that I have played at has accepted my UK Driving License. This is down to YOU, not the LGA.

    Since you are targeting the UK with the brand, you should have done your research. You will have found that unlike the rest of the EU, the UK does NOT issue national ID cards. We use our driving licenses for this purpose instead.

    You are going to very quickly be known as a "scam" here in the UK as many players will be lured in by the "All British" branding, and then find they have no means to validate their accounts because they are in the UK, rather than any other EU country.

    Further to this, in about 2 years you are going to have to get a UK secondary license from the UKGC in order to take bets from UK players, and you will have to pay 15% tax on what you make from us.

    The UK driving license has ALWAYS been accepted as a valid ID at online casinos, and you must be the first to have rejected the idea.

    You will have to forget about the UK market, and concentrate on the rest of the EU, where national ID cards are in use, and where players will be able to validate their accounts.

    Any UK players caught up in this should contact their local Trading Standards about the misleading "All British" theme being presented as it leads to an expectation that everything will be done "the British way".

    EDIT.

    The UK government will verify the ID of anyone who visits the Houses of Parliament. Here is what is considered valid ID by our government:-

    Forms of identification



    Visitors to the Parliamentary Archives searchroom must carry photographic identification which should be made available to Parliamentary security staff and Archives staff on request.




    The photo driving licence is accepted as well as a national ID card (which visitors from the EU would have). The list beneath this are documents that can only be obtained by first being able to prove your ID with something like a photo driving license. They are accepted because they would have only been issued on production of a valid ID, even though in themselves they don't all meet the criteria for ID, particularly the last pair.
     

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