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Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots

@slot_zombie
I'm going to need more foil hats after this debacle. So much for integrity, independent testing and UKGC requirements that are constantly cited on the forum.. I'm talking about the provider not the casino.

@goatwack
So like you said, so much for this mythical testing and auditing of games to ensure their 'fairness'

@SlotGrinder
Exactly and this is why this company needs to be punished properly otherwise the integrity of the games and casinos as a whole is in question . And you know how players are already in constant suspiscion about whether the games are fair or not so finding genuine evidence of deception just adds fuel to that fire

@Jasminebed
So the provider initially lied to VS, as well as attempting to fool players.

This situation is very worrying, as how can we now be sure that other providers are not also masters of deception, particularly as - in the case of GameArt - the "independent testing and UKGC requirements" have been ridden roughshod over.

Statistically speaking, where there is one, there are usually others.

Unfortunately this really is grist for the tinfoil brigade's mill.
 
I remember a thread where one the gameart representatives were promoting their own slots, and if you pressed some combination of keys the bonus/free spins would trigger.. anyone remembers this?

so what about amatic?
 
ladyhawke said:
@slot_zombie
I'm going to need more foil hats after this debacle. So much for integrity, independent testing and UKGC requirements that are constantly cited on the forum.. I'm talking about the provider not the casino.

@goatwack
So like you said, so much for this mythical testing and auditing of games to ensure their 'fairness'

@SlotGrinder
Exactly and this is why this company needs to be punished properly otherwise the integrity of the games and casinos as a whole is in question . And you know how players are already in constant suspiscion about whether the games are fair or not so finding genuine evidence of deception just adds fuel to that fire

@Jasminebed
So the provider initially lied to VS, as well as attempting to fool players.

This situation is very worrying, as how can we now be sure that other providers are not also masters of deception, particularly as - in the case of GameArt - the "independent testing and UKGC requirements" have been ridden roughshod over.

Statistically speaking, where there is one, there are usually others.

Unfortunately this really is grist for the tinfoil brigade's mill.
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I think playngo is very deceptive. Just my opinion. If I wasnt so far in Gemix, world 2005, I would be giving them the big finger.
 
ladyhawke said:
@slot_zombie
I'm going to need more foil hats after this debacle. So much for integrity, independent testing and UKGC requirements that are constantly cited on the forum.. I'm talking about the provider not the casino.

@goatwack
So like you said, so much for this mythical testing and auditing of games to ensure their 'fairness'

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Just to reiterate what has been stated elsewhere - Gameart do not appear to be licensed in the UK so there is no non-compliance with UKGC rules..
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@slotter999: "Just to reiterate what has been stated elsewhere - Gameart do not appear to be licensed in the UK so there is no non-compliance with UKGC rules."

Nikantw made a very good point in the Lockinlove thread regarding casinos and rtp, e.g. "Of course, but since lockinlove (OP), me and many others are not from UK, what Malta and Gib say is important for us."

It is beginning to seem that if you are not in the UK, and don't fall under UKGC rules, then there is nothing to stop game providers from shafting us regarding RTP, demo games in 'developer mode', and possibly a raft of other things I am too tired to think of.

If this is the case, what good is the MGA for non-UK players? How and what protection do they offer us if available games are exempt from rigorous testing and verification?

And 'no non-compliance with UKGC rules' still doesn't seem to stop casinos from sending out SOW requests to non-UK/non-EU residents. Double standards or what?
 
This is a good experience, thanks for sharing. It seems to me that this is a matter of chance, but it is better to check. Who has the opportunity, do it:) I've already had experience with similar studies with a lot of slots, but now I'm not ready for it. My last successful shitholecasinos gave me a lot of emotions and money, but after that I decided to get distracted from this and now I do not know where to start except buffalo.
 
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bitstars said:
Hi Jasmine,

Olle from BitStarz here, just throwing in my five cents. But before I do that, I do recommend you speak
directly to a game provider if you have any questions regarding RTP of a certain game, or if you have any complaints,
but I can defend the fact that demo mode and real money mode have the same RTP.

One thing that needs to be remembered when we're talking about slots is math, and we don't need to dig
very deep to get a pretty good fundamental understanding about RTP in general.

When we're discussing the Return to Player, we need to remember that it's based on a couple of billion game rounds,
and the longer you spin on a game, the closer you're going to reach the theoretic payout of the slot. I like the idea
of using a coin toss to explain it. We all know that it's 50-50 chance to show heads or tails (unless there's some highly skilled coin-toss guy out there),
but it's not impossible to get 4 heads in a row or 4 tails in a row. That doesn't mean the coin-toss is rigged, no, because the longer you
toss the coin, the closer you're gonna get to the 50% tails, 50% heads.

The RTP of a game in demo mode and for real money is absolutely the same, and even if you spun the slots all day,
and compared demo to real money play, I'm sad to say that it doesn't prove anything mathematically. One could
use the same argument for a/b-ing the result of playing 2 slots with the same RTP, math and stakes being the same,
and you get different results. It doesn't mean that one is rigged and pays out more than the other.

Sometimes it's important to zoom out from the individual experience and look at it from a collective, especially
when we're talking about a theory that is based on a large data. Your individual casino RTP varies, players
who play exactly the same games in the casino don't end up with the same RTP for that game, some will
get higher, some will get lower, but it evens out.

I hope that makes a little more sense.

Olle, BitStarz
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With all due respect Ollie that is an absolute pile of BS. See my AMA thread if you are unsure of how much some of us (me included know about maths). You are trying to pull the wool over the eyes of the wrong people. This stock answer might wash with a regular player but on CM you have people far more knowledgeable than you give us credit for.

That answer was devoid of fact about this issue and was basically a flip-off. You should listen to Dan who has already confirmed your answer is utter rubbish.
 
Hi guys,

I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.

My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.

The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.

Olle
 
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bitstars said:
Hi guys,

I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.

My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.

The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.

Olle
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just stop lol
 
bitstars said:
Hi guys,

I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.

My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.

The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.

Olle
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Oh for crikey's sake! This isn't just one player playing a few hundred spins, but TENS of CM members playing the demos and ALL reporting back that they simply couldn't lose on them, features dropping in like snowflakes and making significant gains right from the start. We are all singing from the same hymn sheet here. Sometimes events will even open up the eyes of those that don't want to see which was the case here. There's a forum full of slot players here with huge combined experience who automatically know when something's wrong, when coincidence is surpassed!

Whatever your views, and however we knew, the facts came out and we were all correct - the GameArt provider confirmed it. It looked like a turd, smelled like a turd and surprise surprise! it was a turd. :rolleyes:

Just be thankful these games aren't UKGC-licensed or audited and you don't offer them to UK players, or your license would have been smoke and GameArt's too.
 
bitstars said:
Hi guys,

I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.

My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.

The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.

Olle
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Good to see that you read at least a part of it.

We as players will not be taking serious by any game provider and if they as in this case actually lie about having the same RTP then what good will that do?
You are of course responsible too since you don't want to decieve your players or...?

It sounds like you should spend some in time here to learn a few things since you obviously don't have enough knowledge to school us :)
 
dunover said:
Oh for crikey's sake! This isn't just one player playing a few hundred spins, but TENS of CM members playing the demos and ALL reporting back that they simply couldn't lose on them, features dropping in like snowflakes and making significant gains right from the start. We are all singing from the same hymn sheet here. Sometimes events will even open up the eyes of those that don't want to see which was the case here. There's a forum full of slot players here with huge combined experience who automatically know when something's wrong, when coincidence is surpassed!

Whatever your views, and however we knew, the facts came out and we were all correct - the GameArt provider confirmed it. It looked like a turd, smelled like a turd and surprise surprise! it was a turd. :rolleyes:

Just be thankful these games aren't UKGC-licensed or audited and you don't offer them to UK players, or your license would have been smoke and GameArt's too.
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oh well no surprise here for me been playing demo modes for years and years and it was perfectly obvious
the difference between demo and real play to me anyway, and ill happily eat something horrible if there's not several more providers
suddenly admitting (lets be nice and call it enhanced play) between demo and real play, as usual thank god for the meister scouts here :thumbsup:
 
bitstars said:
Hi guys,

I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.

My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.

The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.

Olle
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Olle - just because you've not heard of it, doesn't mean it hasn't happened - and to dismiss the obvious because "you've never heard of it" is crazy.
If i dismissed every fault report on one of my games because "i hadn't heard of that before" i'd be sacked pretty damn quickly... it's a very poor excuse.

We are all aware of volatility - and if you look at any of my answers to the tin-foil hatters who claim everything is rigged, you'll see i'll defend volatility to the hilt.
However, never in the history of ever, has someone been able to turn a $500 starting balance in to $15,000 every single time they load the game. That is NOT volatility, that's demo mode.

Also, it is NOT our responsibility to contact the software provider, and if i sent your response to my contacts at the UKGC i know exactly what their answer would be...
I hope you are not the PML holder for bitstarz, because that attitude would make you lose it. It's your licence. Your responsibility. Not the players.

I suggest you seriously consider whether you ever use that stock answer again - i understand that when people are saying "i've put £100 in and not had a feature" or the like that of course you can use volatility, but if you had spent just ten minutes playing the game, you'd have seen it was obviously in a demo mode, and not "real maths".
 
Amatic only offers free play for a very limited number of rounds. Makes it difficult to pursue any relevant number of spins. I've lost more than a few starting rounds on Amatic, but even if I get "ahead", it quits before I can see how long before.

Glad VS is going to ask for a closer look. As there is no practical way for us to do so.

And Ollie, at no point did I ever feel the real mone y play was gimped. When I first visited your site as a provider of GameArt games, I saw one of you big winners was up there twice with Thunderbird.

Wonder if how demo play had any influence on her big betting play? I'm not accusing your of anything beyond being unaware that the game provider has misinformed you as well.

Now that you are aware of the issue, show us you are good guys too.

I'm not sure who said it was not a requirement for Malta and Curacau, but I would at least hope that a casino would post a notice that "this is an enhanced demo version of the game" or some such.

I'm totally fine with going to GameArt's site to get a bonus round every 25 spins.

Not as okay if I'm at a site where the expectation is the same as real.

I thank all our members who helped compile more than a few thousand spins.
 
gottoslot said:
I remember a thread where one the gameart representatives were promoting their own slots, and if you pressed some combination of keys the bonus/free spins would trigger.. anyone remembers this?

so what about amatic?
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That's how some fruit machine emptiers work. Were they daft enough to leave that code in for real money play?
 
ladyhawke said:
It appears as if Bitstarz have pulled GameArt. Nothing showing in either a game search or provider search.

If so, well done Bitstarz.
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Better late than never I suppose.
 
trancemonkey said:
...We are all aware of volatility - and if you look at any of my answers to the tin-foil hatters who claim everything is rigged, you'll see i'll defend volatility to the hilt.
However, never in the history of ever, has someone been able to turn a $500 starting balance in to $15,000 every single time they load the game. That is NOT volatility, that's demo mode...
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I suppose the game in fun mode had something like 400% RTP at its lowest !
Unfortunately too many casino ppl speak about the theory before pressing a few spins...
 
Yes, they'll spout anything. I don't doubt this hasn't been going on for years with many or all other games, based on either us believing their expertise on the matter, or them simply never trying the games themselves.

Much like my brother duping my younger self into believing that the brown crayon before me was, in fact, made of chocolate. I didn't challenge his claims. Soon discovered it wasn't very 'chocolatey'.

I should have known better at 32, mind :mad:
 
goatwack said:
Yes, they'll spout anything. I don't doubt this hasn't been going on for years with many or all other games, based on either us believing their expertise on the matter, or them simply never trying the games themselves.

Much like my brother duping my younger self into believing that the brown crayon before me was, in fact, made of chocolate. I didn't challenge his claims. Soon discovered it wasn't very 'chocolatey'.

I should have known better at 32, mind :mad:
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be happy it was only a crayon he said was choco flavoured he handed ya :P
 
To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so. So I presume others will follow suit, what casino in their right mind would want to host a slot provider that was misleading us with turned up fun play RTP?

So once the other casinos do pull them. It will only be a matter of time that they will then go bust because of lack of income lol. But saying that, they will then probably just focus on putting them in rogue casinos lol.

It is a shame. Because some of their slots looked so super fun, just a shame that us in the UK could never play them :P And a shame that many casinos are pulling them too.

What also might happen is they will just rebrand the company or make a new company and transfer all assets over etc etc and try to hide the tarnish this has caused. But people are not stupid and they will know it is just GameArt under a new name lol
 
DreamRJ said:
To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so. So I presume others will follow suit, what casino in their right mind would want to host a slot provider that was misleading us with turned up fun play RTP?

So once the other casinos do pull them. It will only be a matter of time that they will then go bust because of lack of income lol. But saying that, they will then probably just focus on putting them in rogue casinos lol.

It is a shame. Because some of their slots looked so super fun, just a shame that us in the UK could never play them :p And a shame that many casinos are pulling them too.

What also might happen is they will just rebrand the company or make a new company and transfer all assets over etc etc and try to hide the tarnish this has caused. But people are not stupid and they will know it is just GameArt under a new name lol
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They think us gamblers are stupid, and won't spot such a glaring cockup :laugh:

Incidentally guys, anyone checked out that wicked new provider, ArtGame?
 
goatwack said:
They think us gamblers are stupid, and won't spot such a glaring cockup :laugh:

Incidentally guys, anyone checked out that wicked new provider, ArtGame?
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Even better MegaRat!!!
 
DreamRJ said:
To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so. So I presume others will follow suit, what casino in their right mind would want to host a slot provider that was misleading us with turned up fun play RTP?

So once the other casinos do pull them. It will only be a matter of time that they will then go bust because of lack of income lol. But saying that, they will then probably just focus on putting them in rogue casinos lol.

It is a shame. Because some of their slots looked so super fun, just a shame that us in the UK could never play them :p And a shame that many casinos are pulling them too.

What also might happen is they will just rebrand the company or make a new company and transfer all assets over etc etc and try to hide the tarnish this has caused. But people are not stupid and they will know it is just GameArt under a new name lol
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Why? It was the demo games, not the real games, that were 'gimped'. Yes, dishonest and misleading, but I don't think they deserve to go bust.

Also many casinos have simply pulled the demo games, not the real games.
 
Yeah id doubt personally that they would go bust.
Unless it was mentioned on all casinos in the future who agree to offer them to the customer, casinos who likely wouldnt be kind enough to offer something while at the same time advertised the previous concerns found here by Jasminebed, denting the profit margin by doing so.
Im sure they are working on a few (ever so slightly) lower than usual rtp games in preperation for any possibilites ;) , and the continous flow of new players will always be able to find em.
 
Ive played gameart slots. Never played in fun mode much, but after hearing how they were gimped tried it for kick and won millions..lol

Just want to say about the gameart slots, since january 10 or so they did an update on their real money games and it is not the same, I could swear they lowered the payback %%. The slots just dont spin the same, high hundreds if not thousands off spins to get a feature, when in the past it would be rare to go 200 spins without one.

This is not just from me, ive sent 100s of players, to a few bitcoin casinos that carry them, and getting lot of reports from many of my players that they stopped playing.
 
lnspin said:
Ive played gameart slots. Never played in fun mode much, but after hearing how they were gimped tried it for kick and won millions..lol

Just want to say about the gameart slots, since january 10 or so they did an update on their real money games and it is not the same, I could swear they lowered the payback %%. The slots just dont spin the same, high hundreds if not thousands off spins to get a feature, when in the past it would be rare to go 200 spins without one.

This is not just from me, ive sent 100s of players, to a few bitcoin casinos that carry them, and getting lot of reports from many of my players that they stopped playing.
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relax its all "Random"
 
riddle me this? Take a 100% bonus for say a $100,start with $200. 95% of time run it up to $2000 $3000,but play through is 4k ish whatever.win win win,start to near clear funds,guess what 99.99999999 time you will lose till clear at 100 bucks left lol random sounds good for game builders and streamers with 4000 links on page
 
suchfun said:
riddle me this? Take a 100% bonus for say a $100,start with $200. 95% of time run it up to $2000 $3000,but play through is 4k ish whatever.win win win,start to near clear funds,guess what 99.99999999 time you will lose till clear at 100 bucks left lol random sounds good for game builders and streamers with 4000 links on page
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Do you still play slots? and if so, why?
 
Tourettesguy said:
Thats same mode all software providers are using when the licence issurer visit every year
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How do you know these things? Do you have a camera in our office? Damn you're good... go to the papers quick and tell them it's all rigged.
The would love to hear about all this, and with all the demonstrable proof you can offer, it will be a worldwide scandal in minutes.

I look forward to you doing this soon :)
 
suchfun said:
riddle me this? Take a 100% bonus for say a $100,start with $200. 95% of time run it up to $2000 $3000,but play through is 4k ish whatever.win win win,start to near clear funds,guess what 99.99999999 time you will lose till clear at 100 bucks left lol random sounds good for game builders and streamers with 4000 links on page
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I reckon that 95% of the CM members are in the 5% of people that don't turn a $200 starting balance in to a $2000 / $3000 balance every time they play
 
trancemonkey said:
I reckon that 95% of the CM members are in the 5% of people that don't turn a $200 starting balance in to a $2000 / $3000 balance every time they play
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our hero math guy building these "Random" games for his own gain just makes up words that not even there and can't even edit it fast ebuf
 
DreamRJ said:
To be fair. I think GameArt might go bust after this. I think a lot of casinos have now decided to pull them too. VS was the first to do so...
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I don't think GameArt will go bust. Because the games were attractive and it seems like some casinos (like FortuneJack) did updated the fun play mode for these slots. I lost 5 units playing at 0.02 per spin ! :) So there been changes to fix the issue.
 
I believe mobile version of Top Gun has 500-1000% RTP in every casino which allows you to play it demo. Like i said few weeks ago, this was the case when playing it in Paddy Power's.
Now im playing it in Slotsheaven casino and it is the same - almost every feature is full screen wilds. Demo balance is 1000 and if you dont start with max bet (125) you just can not lose!

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Started with 1 euro bet, feature triggered in 10-20 spins -> full screen wilds, 8000-9000 win. Then raised to max bet and result is in the screenshot.
 
Dantos said:
I believe mobile version of Top Gun has 500-1000% RTP in every casino which allows you to play it demo. Like i said few weeks ago, this was the case when playing it in Paddy Power's.
Now im playing it in Slotsheaven casino and it is the same - almost every feature is full screen wilds. Demo balance is 1000 and if you dont start with max bet (125) you just can not lose!

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Started with 1 euro bet, feature triggered in 10-20 spins -> full screen wilds, 8000-9000 win. Then raised to max bet and result is in the screenshot.
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On one hand I've seen that slot go absolutely crazy wild on stream, on the other I am unable to play it in demo mode so I've been unable to test the game, be it fake RTP or not.
 
suchfun said:
our hero math guy building these "Random" games for his own gain just makes up words that not even there and can't even edit it fast ebuf
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I have no idea what that means, but whatever :)
 
Apologies for the necroposting: I was advised to post in this thread. I have archived any links that are linked to shady websites and used the archives in this post, so there's no need to worry about it being redirected or the evidence covered up. I have found evidence that GameART is linked to Mirage Corporation N.V, an online casino operator that has had pirated games on their casinos in the past. First of all, Blue Ocean Gaming and GameART are ran by the same group, as they have the exact same telephone numbers on their websites to contact, and they also share the same seemingly little used mail server. Blue Ocean Gaming was named by the rep of 77Jackpot/1bet2bet/Tobwin, a known rogue group of casinos, as the group that provided it with software that included pirated NetEnt and Novomatic games, according to Casinomeister, here: The Best and Worst of Online Gambling for 2014.

Blue Ocean Gaming also provides slots as "Xplosive Slots", and GameART provides slots as "Lucky" for Australian players. Blue Ocean Gaming's website was registered by a "Skinise Migola" according to this list:
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, and it shows that websites like touchvegas dot com which were registered by the same person, which have the exact same phrase, namely "Our friendly customer service team is on hand to answer any questions you may have 24 hours a day, 7 days a week" - as Mirage Corporation N.V owned casinos have. A casino website called infopoint dot info which is ran by them had pirated games from c27 dot games, which is ran by the OutcomeBet group, known for hosting and selling pirated games.

By the way, if you went to the Mirage Corporation N.V owned casinos from the UK, you would see an image that says you're restricted. If you viewed one image on some of the websites, you would see it hosted on a cloudfront website, this one:
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, and if you removed the media and images bit you'd see this:
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. "TheGameProvider dot com" is a website which appears to be likely ran by the same people behind Mirage Corporation N.V and GameART, as it has images and skins of casinos linked to them, and on at least one occasion a Mirage Corporation N.V casino ran a pirated game from that website, and which was exposed here:
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.

GameART runs their games from a "Hypergaming Server", created by a co-founder of GameART, and which has a website here:
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. The website says that third parties are allowed to "control jackpots, freespins and configure games". I don't think a casino should be allowed to control a jackpot, since fraud would be so easy to do, and it's a wonder that GameART hasn't realised that. Maybe it's a feature for operators of rogue casinos? The co-founder of GameART in question is called Saverio Castellano and he is currently the CEO of Eurasian Gaming, which seems to be GameART but for players from Asia. GamingWorld dot net appears to be another website for Eurasian Gaming, if anyone wants to know.

By the way, speaking of something odd, a website connected to the rogue casino operators Gammix has plenty of subdomains, most of which are connected to their operations, and a list of them is here:
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. Two of these subdomains have content from Mirage Corporation N.V, and the first one is here:
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- it has content from Lucky Play Star Casino, and the second one is here:
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- for some bizarre reason igp dot cloud has left the entire "media/skins" bit in the apache server viewable by anyone, and it contains a list of casinos I believe strongly are tied to the same people behind GameART and Mirage Corporation N.V.

Two other software providers I believe are ran by the same group are SlotVision - which has the same Google Analytics ID as websites connected to the group - and Laifacai, which is connected to BCW affiliates, who are in turn connected to AKPokerClub, which was linked to the group by sharing the same registrant as some old casino websites ran by the group. The group in question likely also ran an online poker network which went bust, according to this:
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(which talks about the debts they left employees, players, and such in) and this:
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(which lists bellugo dot com as being part of the online poker network in an image).
 
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