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I remember a thread where one the gameart representatives were promoting their own slots, and if you pressed some combination of keys the bonus/free spins would trigger.. anyone remembers this?
so what about amatic?
I think playngo is very deceptive. Just my opinion. If I wasnt so far in Gemix, world 2005, I would be giving them the big finger.@slot_zombie
I'm going to need more foil hats after this debacle. So much for integrity, independent testing and UKGC requirements that are constantly cited on the forum.. I'm talking about the provider not the casino.
@goatwack
So like you said, so much for this mythical testing and auditing of games to ensure their 'fairness'
@SlotGrinder
Exactly and this is why this company needs to be punished properly otherwise the integrity of the games and casinos as a whole is in question . And you know how players are already in constant suspiscion about whether the games are fair or not so finding genuine evidence of deception just adds fuel to that fire
@Jasminebed
So the provider initially lied to VS, as well as attempting to fool players.
This situation is very worrying, as how can we now be sure that other providers are not also masters of deception, particularly as - in the case of GameArt - the "independent testing and UKGC requirements" have been ridden roughshod over.
Statistically speaking, where there is one, there are usually others.
Unfortunately this really is grist for the tinfoil brigade's mill.
@slot_zombie
I'm going to need more foil hats after this debacle. So much for integrity, independent testing and UKGC requirements that are constantly cited on the forum.. I'm talking about the provider not the casino.
@goatwack
So like you said, so much for this mythical testing and auditing of games to ensure their 'fairness'
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Just to reiterate what has been stated elsewhere - Gameart do not appear to be licensed in the UK so there is no non-compliance with UKGC rules..
Hi Jasmine,
Olle from BitStarz here, just throwing in my five cents. But before I do that, I do recommend you speak
directly to a game provider if you have any questions regarding RTP of a certain game, or if you have any complaints,
but I can defend the fact that demo mode and real money mode have the same RTP.
One thing that needs to be remembered when we're talking about slots is math, and we don't need to dig
very deep to get a pretty good fundamental understanding about RTP in general.
When we're discussing the Return to Player, we need to remember that it's based on a couple of billion game rounds,
and the longer you spin on a game, the closer you're going to reach the theoretic payout of the slot. I like the idea
of using a coin toss to explain it. We all know that it's 50-50 chance to show heads or tails (unless there's some highly skilled coin-toss guy out there),
but it's not impossible to get 4 heads in a row or 4 tails in a row. That doesn't mean the coin-toss is rigged, no, because the longer you
toss the coin, the closer you're gonna get to the 50% tails, 50% heads.
The RTP of a game in demo mode and for real money is absolutely the same, and even if you spun the slots all day,
and compared demo to real money play, I'm sad to say that it doesn't prove anything mathematically. One could
use the same argument for a/b-ing the result of playing 2 slots with the same RTP, math and stakes being the same,
and you get different results. It doesn't mean that one is rigged and pays out more than the other.
Sometimes it's important to zoom out from the individual experience and look at it from a collective, especially
when we're talking about a theory that is based on a large data. Your individual casino RTP varies, players
who play exactly the same games in the casino don't end up with the same RTP for that game, some will
get higher, some will get lower, but it evens out.
I hope that makes a little more sense.
Olle, BitStarz
Hi guys,
I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.
My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.
The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.
Olle
Hi guys,
I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.
My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.
The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.
Olle
Hi guys,
I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.
My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.
The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.
Olle
Oh for crikey's sake! This isn't just one player playing a few hundred spins, but TENS of CM members playing the demos and ALL reporting back that they simply couldn't lose on them, features dropping in like snowflakes and making significant gains right from the start. We are all singing from the same hymn sheet here. Sometimes events will even open up the eyes of those that don't want to see which was the case here. There's a forum full of slot players here with huge combined experience who automatically know when something's wrong, when coincidence is surpassed!
Whatever your views, and however we knew, the facts came out and we were all correct - the GameArt provider confirmed it. It looked like a turd, smelled like a turd and surprise surprise! it was a turd.
Just be thankful these games aren't UKGC-licensed or audited and you don't offer them to UK players, or your license would have been smoke and GameArt's too.
Hi guys,
I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games, if that's the case as Videoslots
is saying, that's total news to me and I'll apologize for that. It's totally unacceptable.
My point is, however. That if you make a some spins in real money mode and in demo mode, and jump to conclusion based on your short game session that
one has a different RTP than another, that's not the right way to go about it. Not my intention to school the community and give a fu-reply, so I'm sorry if it came across that way.
The way to find out would be to go straight to the horse's mouth, which would be the game provider.
Olle
Hi guys,
I've never-ever in my life heard of a game provider using different RTP on their demo games and their real money games
I remember a thread where one the gameart representatives were promoting their own slots, and if you pressed some combination of keys the bonus/free spins would trigger.. anyone remembers this?
so what about amatic?
That's how some fruit machine emptiers work. Were they daft enough to leave that code in for real money play?