Demo play not the same as real - GameArt slots

[4048]

Newbies. it took me just 7 mins to come up with better slot than yours and you guys spent hours testing it ! My shark puts your bird to shame

So i just tried Wild Shark again and i can honestly say its the best slot ever made. Free money mode, starting with enough balance for just 10 spins (on some tries for 5 only!) i managed to make profit every single time. It gets 10/10 from me and im pretty sure its same in both free to play and real mode !

Theapple presents you Wild Shark by Amatic, the best slot ever created. like ever



Dan, please you know we have huge respect for you here. Dont be a bot and please dont reply with but but its the same ! please?

Amatic simply has the best slots, no question about it Always a winner with Amatic.

Especially in land based.

I think I put 50 into a book-of-ra thing and at 1€ spins I might've played 60 spins before I was out

 

[Sonict]

This is very interesting and very shameful of GameArt to do this. I just tried this myself on play money on max bet of $40 and within 5 spins, I get a bonus that was over 9K and then within 10 spins, I get a bonus that is 7k+. If I was the luckiest person in the world, I would believe it, but this is the first time I will say that this game in "Play Money" mode doesn't play like "Real Money" mode at all except for the payouts if you had a decent bonus. :/

 

[CoreyGamblor]

why play in demo mode anyway? Based on the amount of times playing any slot do you really think you can see a pattern. For me there are only 2 patterns winning or losing. In demo mode you dont really get the same feel and to they really have to set demo games to have the same RTP if there is actually no RTP?

 

[brianmon]

why play in demo mode anyway? Based on the amount of times playing any slot do you really think you can see a pattern. For me there are only 2 patterns winning or losing. In demo mode you dont really get the same feel and to they really have to set demo games to have the same RTP if there is actually no RTP?

The point is that in any of the 'decent' licensing jurisdictions, Demo play and Real play has to be identical in play, hit frequency, volatility and RTP.

 

[Steviedoo]

Newbies. it took me just 7 mins to come up with better slot than yours and you guys spent hours testing it ! My shark puts your bird to shame

So i just tried Wild Shark again and i can honestly say its the best slot ever made. Free money mode, starting with enough balance for just 10 spins (on some tries for 5 only!) i managed to make profit every single time. It gets 10/10 from me and im pretty sure its same in both free to play and real mode !

Theapple presents you Wild Shark by Amatic, the best slot ever created. like ever



Dan, please you know we have huge respect for you here. Dont be a bot and please dont reply with but but its the same ! please?

Wild shark....ah....my bonanza.....it will drive me to quitting....but I love this shark. No frills.

 

[Steviedoo]

I've played thunderbird a lot. And I've made quite a few bucks on it but when the slot is in a cold spell...I've gone 300 to 500 spins without a feature on it ....same with amatic games.....wild shark yesterday....I went 600 spins without hitting a bonus.....I play gameart games and amatic....they do NOT play the same in fun mode as they do in real mode...

When gameart and amatic games are cold....your money lasts about a minute....cuz you can go 30 to 50 spins without a win....but when they are hot...look out....you can make the balance last forever...and then hit something decent...

 

[BillyGoldblum]

Yeah this game is absolutely fake. I tried it

14 spins in hit a bonus paid $169

33 spins later hit another bonus paid $211

18 spins later hit the bonus paid $98

Raised to $10 hit a bonus after 13 spins and it paid $2109.

This is not cool that providers can just do as they please

 

[Temprush]

Yeah this game is absolutely fake. I tried it

14 spins in hit a bonus paid $169

33 spins later hit another bonus paid $211

18 spins later hit the bonus paid $98

Raised to $10 hit a bonus after 13 spins and it paid $2109.

This is not cool that providers can just do as they please

agree, should not make the game so different from real play. They should be ashamed for lying to Dan when he asked about this game.

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi Jasminebed,

The math and RTP are the exact same in demo mode or real mode.

Br,
Daniel.

Dan - for the sake of your licence and reputation you need to remove this now. It's against UKGC and MGA guidelines and if you knowingly don't remove the demo version then you will no doubt get reported.

As Dunover states (and I have also checked) the demo mode is not correct. It's massively over-paying.

I spend a lot of time on this forum telling people slots aren't rigged and demo and real play are the same and things like this are distinctly unhelpful.

 

[Temprush]

Dan - for the sake of your licence and reputation you need to remove this now. It's against UKGC and MGA guidelines if you knowingly don't remove the demo version then you will no doubt get reported.

As Dunover states (and I have also checked) the demo mode is not correct. It's massively over-paying.

I spend a lot of time on this forum telling people slots aren't rigged and demo and real play are the same and things like this are distinctly unhelpful.

I see what u getting at. But then again, he only confirmed what provider told him, what is he suppose to do, not answering us on that question?

 

[goatwack]

Not just aimed at one casino, but if reps are prepared to come out and fob us off with copy & paste responses about demo games then they either know about it and are lying, or hosting games that haven't been audited properly.

Also makes one wonder about when one plays with real funds what 'experience' they are getting, thus adding to the good & bad server theory

But that's for another thread

Meanwhile, loads of players can't be wrong, unless..........the sample is too small and we're batshit crazy?

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi everyone,

As I mentioned yesterday I contacted the provider first thing after I saw this thread. However, I will get in contact with them again to have this confirmed once again.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[Temprush]

Hi everyone,

As I mentioned yesterday I contacted the provider first thing after I saw this thread. However, I will get in contact with them again to have this confirmed once again.

Br,
Daniel.

That´s ma man there, go get em

 

[trancemonkey]

I see what u getting at. But then again, he only confirmed what provider told him, what is he suppose to do, not answering us on that question?

The rules don't state "if the provider says it's ok then it doesn't matter"... the rules state both have to be the same maths and it is the casinos responsibility to ensure this is the case. If they are not, and I think we have proven 100% that it is not, then they are duty bound to pull the game ( the demo version) until they are satisfied it is the same.

If they do nothing, then knowingly keeping the demo live and ignoring player concerns is a serious breach of their licence.

So whilst it is not Dan at fault (he is a rep) he needs to relay to the right people that something is wrong. It won't take long to check and see it's wrong.. it's pretty damn obvious from the get go...

 

[interlog]

I see what u getting at. But then again, he only confirmed what provider told him, what is he suppose to do, not answering us on that question?

If they lied to him then just drop them as there would be a breach of trust.

 

[trancemonkey]

Not just aimed at one casino, but if reps are prepared to come out and fob us off with copy & paste responses about demo games then they either know about it and are lying, or hosting games that haven't been audited properly.

Also makes one wonder about when one plays with real funds what 'experience' they are getting, thus adding to the good & bad server theory

But that's for another thread

Meanwhile, loads of players can't be wrong, unless..........the sample is too small and we're batshit crazy?

I'll defend any games or casinos where I'm damn sure they are doing nothing wrong... but this demo mode is pure B.S...

 

[Jasminebed]

Hi everyone,

As I mentioned yesterday I contacted the provider first thing after I saw this thread. However, I will get in contact with them again to have this confirmed once again.

Br,
Daniel.

Dan, I do not think you can or should blindly accept the slot provider's word for it at this point. Evidence from not just myself, but respected industry members like trancemonkey is mounting.

I do know such things as accelerators exist, although in breach of your terms I am sure, as with most casinos. Perhaps a staff member could spend a couple of hours to amass a larger pool of data.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi guys,

I will put all games offline for now while we investigate this, and we take this very seriously.
I will keep you updated here.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi guys,

I will put all games offline for now while we investigate this, and we take this very seriously.
I will keep you updated here.

Br,
Daniel.

Dan - it's good to see that you guys take it seriously.

Please understand, and i hope i speak for everyone here, that we are not saying it's your fault, or in fact Videoslots fault.
Acting quickly is a good sign you listen to concerns, and this should be acknowledged and praised.
Please let us all know the outcome - and if they are doing something dodgy (and hiding it from you) then i would seriously consider their future as a provider...
That said, i know too well mistakes happen, and it could be they have put a "show mode" on the demo server, instead of a correct maths demo version.

Regards
TM

 

[lockinlove]

Not good. Not good at all.

We have always been told by everyone, reps. casino managers, casino owners etc that it is impossible to do this. I have seen members get bashed and cut down for even suggesting this.

Im sorry but this isnt just another mistake by the casino and accidentally put the wrong model out there. Come on.

There is less and less trust when it comes to casinos. playngo rtp settings can be adjusted, casinos can trigger bonuses whenever they please as part of a promo, slot providers creating fake accounts and misleading members.

So is it safe to say alot of the casino industry is alot more shady then everyone thought?

For god sakes, set your rtp at your 97% and make your money instead of all this other BS. But I guess that isnt good enough for them.

 

[slotmaster]

Well well well, The slotmaster is right once again. Did not think it was going to be this fast. I have played gameart and like quite a few of their games but they are really tough to win on but have not played them in quite awhile. It's wonderful we have trancemonkey here and Dan taking action quickly to make sure everything is on the up and up.

 

[Jasminebed]

Thank you Dan. I do hope it gets sorted, and was merely a mistake, as I quite like the game. Guess my opportunity to turn my weekend booster into 100K just left the building, lol.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Not had a video slots account for long, so sorry if a stupid question.

How do you play games in demo mode on the site?

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi PMKFRUITPRO,

You can play demo mode when you are not logged into your account.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

If I log out and load up a game it just takes me to the register now screen???

 

[Steviedoo]

dan
you might wanna check those amatic games on demo mode too...wild shark just gave me tons of bonuses....and tons of winning spins which is very uncommon....that never happens in real play...i play it daily...

 

[dunover]

Hi guys,

I will put all games offline for now while we investigate this, and we take this very seriously.
I will keep you updated here.

Br,
Daniel.

Dan - I've got the feeling you've been round-housed here by GameArt and that they have given you links to their website, whether overtly or not, for your demo versions. The real-play games I believe are kosher but ALL their slot catalogue on their own website are 100% gimped with +++100% RTP demo versions; somehow your free play options seem to be linking to those, not the real-play server.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi Steviedoo,

Thanks for informing me I will also look into this.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[lnspin]

But where can we play Game Art slots in real play in the UK?

VS have them of course, but can not play them in the UK at VS?

So any other casinos?

Please let me know

Thanks

Im surprised anyone carrys gameart slots as that are all copy's of aristocrat slots. They even stole the images

 

[lnspin]

Dan - I've got the feeling you've been round-housed here by GameArt and that they have given you links to their website, whether overtly or not, for your demo versions. The real-play games I believe are kosher but ALL their slot catalogue on their own website are 100% gimped with +++100% RTP demo versions; somehow your free play options seem to be linking to those, not the real-play server.

Do you not notice all the slots are copies and fake versions or aristocrat slots?

 

[Dantos]

I used to play demo mode at Paddy Power's mobile casino 2-3 years ago, on Top Gun (Playtech). I can say 101% sure that the RTP in fun mode on this game was maybe 500% or even more. Every bonus round was almost full screen wilds, i swear. And the bonus hit very often. On max bet every win was like 500K or more.
I didn't play real money Top Gun in Paddy Powers, instead i played it on Bet365 (both casinos are pretty much the same). Needless to say i lost my money without any big bonus wins.
Now, as my country is restricted to their casino, i don't know if its still the same.

 

[dunover]

GameArt have been going 4 years now and they do actually have IOM and Alderney licenses as well as Malta, but no UKGC hence the UK cannot play them at VS. Yes, most of their catalogue are 'tribute' slots but hey, what's Play'n Go's Book Of Dead, or Netent's Reel Steal? Watch my forthcoming IGT review and tell me which slot they've ripped off there? If you saw the database of 170 developers and their games I look after, then you'd see GameArt aren't unusual. The relationship between slot developers can be very incestuous with ex-employees starting new ventures or associated ventures and often they have similar slots to their platform provider who services the multiplatform casinos. I can name 30 developers with a Book Of Ra Deluxe 'tribute' and about 25 with St*rb*rst. then look at Bally's Thunderhorn and Aristocrat's Buffalo! It's not the graphics, sounds or math model you need to worry about, but whether the games are fully audited and kosher.

RTG's Asgard and Genesis Gaming's Olympus are blatant rips of Thunderstruck 2. I could go on, but I'll end up like my missus......

 

[Jasminebed]

Hi guys,

I will put all games offline for now while we investigate this, and we take this very seriously.
I will keep you updated here.

Br,
Daniel.

Dan, game is still live, and demo mode too. This is both desktop and mobile.

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi Jasminebed,

I have sent you a PM.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi Jasminebed,

I have sent you a PM.

Br,
Daniel.

If Jasminebed is right, and you still have the hooky demo version live, then i'm concerned and surprised. And you're probably very close to a complaint to the regulators....

 

[trancemonkey]

GameArt have been going 4 years now and they do actually have IOM and Alderney licenses as well as Malta, but no UKGC hence the UK cannot play them at VS. Yes, most of their catalogue are 'tribute' slots but hey, what's Play'n Go's Book Of Dead, or Netent's Reel Steal? Watch my forthcoming IGT review and tell me which slot they've ripped off there? If you saw the database of 170 developers and their games I look after, then you'd see GameArt aren't unusual. The relationship between slot developers can be very incestuous with ex-employees starting new ventures or associated ventures and often they have similar slots to their platform provider who services the multiplatform casinos. I can name 30 developers with a Book Of Ra Deluxe 'tribute' and about 25 with St*rb*rst. then look at Bally's Thunderhorn and Aristocrat's Buffalo! It's not the graphics, sounds or math model you need to worry about, but whether the games are fully audited and kosher.

RTG's Asgard and Genesis Gaming's Olympus are blatant rips of Thunderstruck 2. I could go on, but I'll end up like my missus......

Wildwood, or Wishwood or whatever it's called?

 

[trancemonkey]

Hi PMKFRUITPRO,

You can play demo mode when you are not logged into your account.

Br,
Daniel.

I assume this is not UK facing then, as demo mode should no longer be accessible unless logged in OR it's on the developers website and the person agrees they are over 18 - under the UKGC guidelines if i'm not mistaken?

 

[Dan.Videoslots]

Hi trancemonkey,

Gameart is not available for players from the UK.

Br,
Daniel.

 

[Jasminebed]

Thunderbird was available to me via my recently played games tab. You can't find it using the search function.

 

[lnspin]

GameArt have been going 4 years now and they do actually have IOM and Alderney licenses as well as Malta, but no UKGC hence the UK cannot play them at VS. Yes, most of their catalogue are 'tribute' slots but hey, what's Play'n Go's Book Of Dead, or Netent's Reel Steal? Watch my forthcoming IGT review and tell me which slot they've ripped off there? If you saw the database of 170 developers and their games I look after, then you'd see GameArt aren't unusual. The relationship between slot developers can be very incestuous with ex-employees starting new ventures or associated ventures and often they have similar slots to their platform provider who services the multiplatform casinos. I can name 30 developers with a Book Of Ra Deluxe 'tribute' and about 25 with St*rb*rst. then look at Bally's Thunderhorn and Aristocrat's Buffalo! It's not the graphics, sounds or math model you need to worry about, but whether the games are fully audited and kosher.

RTG's Asgard and Genesis Gaming's Olympus are blatant rips of Thunderstruck 2. I could go on, but I'll end up like my missus......

Do these slots have all have the same image, or do they just steal the image from the original game? How about showing symbols on reels that dont appear, on a few of their slots they show wilds on reel 1 and 5, but you cannot hit them on reel one and 5, so would showing symbols on reels that cannot be hit deemed honest?

 

[dunover]

Do these slots have all have the same image, or do they just steal the image from the original game? How about showing symbols on reels that dont appear, on a few of their slots they show wilds on reel 1 and 5, but you cannot hit them on reel one and 5, so would showing symbols on reels that cannot be hit deemed honest?

Lazy graphics that's all. Microgaming's Hitman slot shows expanding wilds whizzing by on reels 1 and 5 where you can't get them. Nothing sinister.

 

[GC_Konstantin]

dan
you might wanna check those amatic games on demo mode too...wild shark just gave me tons of bonuses....and tons of winning spins which is very uncommon....that never happens in real play...i play it daily...

I guess the slots from some certain providers are actually more enjoyable in fun mode rather than cash mode !

 

[ladyhawke]

Do these slots have all have the same image, or do they just steal the image from the original game? ...

That is a little harsh, as many of the images are not copyrighted, and consequently as they are royalty free, are available to anyone who chooses to use them, e.g. look at the number of slots from different providers who all use the same 'lucky cat' image.

 

[ladyhawke]

While I do appreciate a speedy reply, there is no way you could have spent any time at all investigating my claim. I realize lucky streaks happen, but day after day to over 1000 - 2800x bet size in short periods of time?

Probably "up" 400,000 in about 6 hours of demo play. Hit frequency for the bonus round on an average of approximately every 25 spins?

I'm hoping a few more players will try this and see if they have similar results.

Strangely enough, this happened to me at VS two days ago - up nearly 150k in a few hours, then played again and up over 90k before I called it quits. No way is this normal.

 

[Steviedoo]

Well you can still play amatic games ...

And no way is fun mode same as real mode for these games either....

 

[BrianGhattas]

I can’t “win” on demo play. I go to Unibet to play demo versions of Net Ent and I can’t get a bonus. Makes me feel a little better about the substandard choices in Ontario.

 

[dunover]

OK, this thread has been quietly allowed to drop off the radar yet is very SERIOUS!
Any news on why these games' demo modes were obviously bent???

 

[goatwack]

Wow. It will get their attention now, that's for sure

It's one step short of being in neon lights. Go in to space and you'll see the Great Wall of China and this thread title

 

[Steviedoo]

OK, this thread has been quietly allowed to drop off the radar yet is very SERIOUS!
Any news on why these games' demo modes were obviously bent???

Videoslots pulled the gameart games but the Amatic games are still there.

Fun mode on these pay really well. Lol.

 

[Savatage79]

Yea to me this one is the oldest trick in the book.. They get ya all pumped up thinking oooo look how good they hit and then you're out like a grand before you can blink.

I've tried a ton of demos and there's no way... Absolutely no way they're working on the same reels.