Dead or Alive statistics

[Balthazar]

it seems to be loaded towards early losses and then chasing much-needed bigger wins to recover.

That would imply that the slots have some sort of memory. They honestly don't need to do that, they just have to make sure that the RTP is spread the "correct" way. NetEnt has mastered that part in the last year or so; it's like world class mathematicians worked together and came back with the "perfect" paytables after a couple of months.

Their slogan should be "who needs to win when you can have a good time?".

NetEnt must be a real money printing machine for those running multi-platforms casinos. I'd be very interested to see the numbers.

 

[dunover]

That would imply that the slots have some sort of memory. They honestly don't need to do that, they just have to make sure that the RTP is spread the "correct" way. NetEnt has mastered that part in the last year or so; it's like world class mathematicians worked together and came back with the "perfect" paytables after a couple of months.

Their slogan should be "who needs to win when you can have a good time?".

NetEnt must be a real money printing machine for those running multi-platforms casinos. I'd be very interested to see the numbers.

That's almost exactly what I said in another post. Today, but I can't remember which one.

 

[dusky]

Those 500k results are staggering to read dunover thanks for posting them.

So a 5 wild result is about once in every 8000 :O. Shocked to see the highest distance between bonus rounds being 1200+ spins as well.

I can see the attraction with this game and play it myself but those figures are incredible.

 

[Nate]

Having played this game for ages I can put most of your experiences down to the insane variance of this game. There is nothing sinister to be honest.

Some days Im lucky - I get 5 wilds in the first 100 spins, other days I lose tons without even seeing a 100x bet. I suppose its all down to the high and lows of the variance in play.

In any event, i am NOT a fan of the win distribution on NetEnt's newer slots. I would agree that they have mastered the way a slot can suck, low, medium or high variance.

Do yourself a favour and steer clear from CFTBL - You might get lucky on occasion but on quick spin, you will HATE the way it spits out nothing time after time. Most times you will be lucky to get your triggering bet back.

Insane variance and the pays don't match in the slightest.

Nate

 

[Balthazar]

What's with CFTBL? I can't play the slot so I don't know but people are talking like its variance is on par with DoA while the videos and screenshots suggest otherwise.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

That would imply that the slots have some sort of memory. They honestly don't need to do that, they just have to make sure that the RTP is spread the "correct" way. NetEnt has mastered that part in the last year or so; it's like world class mathematicians worked together and came back with the "perfect" paytables after a couple of months.

Sorry Balth maybe I didn't quite word that right, as that's exactly what I'm saying

There are very few medium-big wins on the paytable, so almost inevitably you start to get badly into negative territory right from the start, and you're then left needing one of those rare bigger wins to even get back to your starting position most of the time.

I thrashed CFTBL quite a bit in free play when it was released and it works on exactly that model, far more than you'd expect given the fact it's not insanely high variance or apparently capable of much in the way of mega-hits.

It'll scythe through 200-300x (and more!) of your stake without a sniff of anything decent, then you'll most likely land 150-200x to get a chunk of it back, or even back to your starting position if you're lucky, and then it'll just do the same again, except of course there's no guarantee of the 'recovery' win. I realise all random slots are kind of like that, but Netent really do have it down to a fine art.

You're basically just paying to play a video game with Netent IMO, not a slot that you can have any reasonable expectation of winning on.

 

[Balthazar]

You're basically just paying to play a video game with Netent IMO

That's exactly what it is. Just like MGS' "Max Damage and the Alien Attack".

 

[dunover]

What's with CFTBL? I can't play the slot so I don't know but people are talking like its variance is on par with DoA while the videos and screenshots suggest otherwise.

Put it this way, low-roll both slots, say DoA at 27c and CFTBL at 20c, and see which busts you first from say a 50$ start.....The 'tick over' wins seem far more prolific on DoA.

CFTBL = Creature From The Black Lagoon????

No, Casino F*cking Taking Big Lolly.............

 

[gagamel]

Hello Chopley
I never had such bad experiences with NETENT slots. Mostly I had a big hit in the beginning, sometimes they are streaky as hell and you will lose a lot of money.
But I only play older slots from NETENT like DoA, Piggy Riches and such slots.
Today I tried Starburst for the very first time for more than 75 spins. And I trippled my deposit within 250 spins. I had a megawin or whatever they call a decent win. Just one time, but after hitting I was in good luck.

Maybe you need another gameplay with NETENT slots, like I need maybe another gameplay with MG slots. I`m lucky with NETENT and have a lot of fun.

I don`t believe that these slots have a memory or are rigged.

The NETENT slots where I am ahead are DoA, Gonzo and Piggy Riches. But you are right, it`s hard to win on some other NETENT slots like COTBL, Twinspin and some other new slots. But you have the chance for a decent win with all of them in your first spins.

Dunover told that his RTP with DoA is 93%, that`s great.

My RTP with MG slots in a casino where I was able to make a payout is 88%.

 

[gagamel]

Put it this way, low-roll both slots, say DoA at 27c and CFTBL at 20c, and see which busts you first from say a 50$ start.....The 'tick over' wins seem far more prolific on DoA.

CFTBL = Creature From The Black Lagoon????

No, Casino F*cking Taking Big Lolly.............

With all respect

this is not a DoA or NETENT bashing thread, or am I totally wrong

 

[ChillBill]

I might have missed it (if that's the case sorry) or it hasn't been put forward. DoA and BDBA, which of these two slots are in people's opinion, give a better chance of huge wins, more often? Not unusual for me to play full tilt on BDBA. What's the max bet on DoA?

 

[Balthazar]

Put it this way, low-roll both slots, say DoA at 27c and CFTBL at 20c, and see which busts you first from say a 50$ start.....The 'tick over' wins seem far more prolific on DoA.

That says nothing about the variance though. Games like Starburst or Space Wars can (and usually will) eat your bankroll faster than DoA or Reel Steal. From what I've seen the "big wins" on CFTBL are more in the 100x to 1000x range than in the 1000x to 7000x range.

 

[gagamel]

I prefer DoA because you have the chance to win really big but the dead, and I mean really dead streaks, are not as common as with BDBA. I had with BDBA more than 1500 spins without a trigger and then it payed like, well 20x my bet. I never had this with Doa. Even when I didn`t hit scatters I didn`t lost my money in such a short time.

But that`s my experience.

 

[dunover]

I might have missed it (if that's the case sorry) or it hasn't been put forward. DoA and BDBA, which of these two slots are in people's opinion, give a better chance of huge wins, more often? Not unusual for me to play full tilt on BDBA. What's the max bet on DoA?

I believe DoA is 18.0 per spin. BDBA is usually 22.50. BDBA's max win is 3750 x stake (5 sapphires on freespins with wild) on 22.50 a spin would yield 84375.
DoA has yielded thus far (as far as we are aware on the screenies page) circa 8450 x stake as it's biggest recorded win which would have yielded on 18.0 stake about 152000.
DoA Could theoretically yield about 48000xstake but we haven't seen evidence of anything over 17% of that yet.

DoA seems set to pay frequent 0.2-3 x stake wins, but hard to hit 1k+. BDBA pays less winning spins than DoA but pays mid-range wins of say 5-50x stake far more often. Average freespins yields are better on BDBA usually. BDAB very high variance, DoA insanely high...

 

[dunover]

Hello Chopley
I never had such bad experiences with NETENT slots. Mostly I had a big hit in the beginning, sometimes they are streaky as hell and you will lose a lot of money.
But I only play older slots from NETENT like DoA, Piggy Riches and such slots.
Today I tried Starburst for the very first time for more than 75 spins. And I trippled my deposit within 250 spins. I had a megawin or whatever they call a decent win. Just one time, but after hitting I was in good luck.

Maybe you need another gameplay with NETENT slots, like I need maybe another gameplay with MG slots. I`m lucky with NETENT and have a lot of fun.

I don`t believe that these slots have a memory or are rigged.

The NETENT slots where I am ahead are DoA, Gonzo and Piggy Riches. But you are right, it`s hard to win on some other NETENT slots like COTBL, Twinspin and some other new slots. But you have the chance for a decent win with all of them in your first spins.

Dunover told that his RTP with DoA is 93%, that`s great.

My RTP with MG slots in a casino where I was able to make a payout is 88%.

No, we're not saying you can't make a profit on Netent, but the way the paytables are constructed has resulted in us, over time, observing the fact that it is far easier to redeem a SUB at MG casinos, or to have a profitable deposit. Netent, to paraphrase Chopley, are very frequently 'death by a thousand cuts'. You just don't seem to hit the comfort zone of a quick profit which you can either cash, or use to extend your gameplay.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Excellent summary there dunover.

Personally I much prefer BDBA, for starters it's just a nicer, crisper slot IMO. Decent graphics and sound with no silly frills, and calming music in the background rather than that horrible fucking jangling cowboy mess that DoA assaults your ears with all the time.

The bonus round is much better on BDBA, you can tell you're onto a shitter with DoA once you get past the first few spins with no wilds or few wilds, whereas BDBA can drop a monster in on any single spin.

The variance with BDBA is more sensible, it's very high variance, but not stupid crazy high like DoA is.

I like the way BDBA drops in decent wins on the base game fairly regularly, rather than DoA which is mostly just dead and/or very low paying spins until the bonus round is triggered.

I also like the way BDBA is far more capable of kicking out 'good' bonus rounds without having to rely on a monster.

BDBA isn't perfect, all those extra free spins from the scatters in the bonus round when the bonus round itself is still paying knack all are annoying for sure.

Overall though total no-brainer for me, even though BDBA has the lower RTP of the two slots, it's the one I'd choose to play for real money.

 

[dunover]

Excellent summary there dunover.

Personally I much prefer BDBA, for starters it's just a nicer, crisper slot IMO. Decent graphics and sound with no silly frills, and calming music in the background rather than that horrible fucking jangling cowboy mess that DoA assaults your ears with all the time.

The bonus round is much better on BDBA, you can tell you're onto a shitter with DoA once you get past the first few spins with no wilds or few wilds, whereas BDBA can drop a monster in on any single spin.

The variance with BDBA is more sensible, it's very high variance, but not stupid crazy high like DoA is.

I like the way BDBA drops in decent wins on the base game fairly regularly, rather than DoA which is mostly just dead and/or very low paying spins until the bonus round is triggered.

I also like the way BDBA is far more capable of kicking out 'good' bonus rounds without having to rely on a monster.

BDBA isn't perfect, all those extra free spins from the scatters in the bonus round when the bonus round itself is still paying knack all are annoying for sure.

Overall though total no-brainer for me, even though BDBA has the lower RTP of the two slots, it's the one I'd choose to play for real money.

How true, how true.

 

[gagamel]

No, we're not saying you can't make a profit on Netent, but the way the paytables are constructed has resulted in us, over time, observing the fact that it is far easier to redeem a SUB at MG casinos, or to have a profitable deposit. Netent, to paraphrase Chopley, are very frequently 'death by a thousand cuts'. You just don't seem to hit the comfort zone of a quick profit which you can either cash, or use to extend your gameplay.

I understand your words very well.
But this experience is not mine. I have to say that the paytables works for me. Of course not all the time, but they work. Like for a lot of other players here. Nordic players and of course me
It seems like there is a little crusade in this thread. I hope I`m totally wrong.
I believe in all the guys here playing DoA and have good wins. I also have good wins with DoA and other Netent slots.

 

[Balthazar]

It's funny that you guys talk about that because the BDBA background sounds are very creepy if you pay attention to them. The kind of things I'd wouldn't like to hear if I were schizophrenic!

 

[ChillBill]

to paraphrase Chopley, are very frequently 'death by a thousand cuts'. You just don't seem to hit the comfort zone of a quick profit which you can either cash, or use to extend your gameplay.

I've given Netent a bit of shake but it really comes down to, if luck is with you or not. Though, while the pay-tables aren't anywhere near as horrid as Rival (played scary rich 3 the other day @ $25 per spin, got 5 camcorders and paid $4), I just can't seem to get a break at Netent. Lots of little wins but nothing substantial. Not to cash out mind you but just to increase game play some on the hope I'll hit something worth cashing out.

It's funny that you guys talk about that because the BDBA background sounds are very creepy if you pay attention to them. The kind of things I'd wouldn't like to hear if I were schizophrenic!

Yes those faint, almost inaudible whispers. Very creepy indeed

 

[gagamel]

Dear dunover, dear Chopley
I`m a little bit disappointed now.
DoA is shit, NETENT is shit, the music in DoA is shit, all is shit with this slot and with NETENT.
Why do you play NETENT slots?
If I would be a newbie and would read your statements I would never try these slots because you make us believe something is fishy.
Is that the meaning of a thread called "Dead or Alive statistics"?
I don`t think so.
DoA has a unbelievable high variance. You lost a lot of money in fun play, that`s ok.
But... a lot of people here had winnings with this game.
And I would bet that a lot of gamers here lost money with slots you made some profit with. And I don`t believe that they shout out how bad these providers are.
You made an experiment and it failed for both of you. That`s all, nothing more, nothing less.
I will play DoA and all the other shitty NETENT games further and will avoid all the games I never had luck with.

Thank you for listening.

 

[Balthazar]

Yes those faint, almost inaudible whispers. Very creepy indeed

If I start paying attention to them that's all I hear so I've to turn it off. I'm not sure what they were thinking!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Then again BDBA does do stuff like this ALL THE TIME

The worst one is the winline that really looks like a winline even on a 9-liner, but isn't. (Paylines 6 and 7 but moving the 1 and 5 stops to upper and bottom, and 2-3-4 down the middle instead of the edges, took me an awful lot of spins to instinctively realise that isn't a paying line.)

 

[ChillBill]

Then again BDBA does do stuff like this ALL THE TIME

The worst one is the winline that really looks like a winline even on a 9-liner, but isn't. (Paylines 6 and 7 but moving the 1 and 5 stops to upper and bottom, and 2-3-4 down the middle instead of the edges, took me an awful lot of spins to instinctively realise that isn't a paying line.)

Try playing max bet and watching as the wild, followed by 2 emeralds hit, another slides past to next line and the last hits either with a wild or another emerald. See that happen multiple x in a session, along with other near misses, at that stake and it's frustrating and very depressing :sob:

But that's gambling on slots for ya!

 

[dunover]

Dear dunover, dear Chopley
I`m a little bit disappointed now.
DoA is shit, NETENT is shit, the music in DoA is shit, all is shit with this slot and with NETENT.
Why do you play NETENT slots?
If I would be a newbie and would read your statements I would never try these slots because you make us believe something is fishy.
Is that the meaning of a thread called "Dead or Alive statistics"?
I don`t think so.
DoA has a unbelievable high variance. You lost a lot of money in fun play, that`s ok.
But... a lot of people here had winnings with this game.
And I would bet that a lot of gamers here lost money with slots you made some profit with. And I don`t believe that they shout out how bad these providers are.
You made an experiment and it failed for both of you. That`s all, nothing more, nothing less.
I will play DoA and all the other shitty NETENT games further and will avoid all the games I never had luck with.

Thank you for listening.

We don't any more. I thought that was clear. Before you go off on one, we've made every effort, along with others, to explain WHY.
We pays our money and takes our choice, the same as you do. One man's meat is another man's poison and all that...