Dead or Alive statistics

Blathaon

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Time for some more DoA data. I did a similar post earlier this year but there all the data was from free play.

Here everything is Real Play.

Dead or Alive: 1528 features
On average the feature hits every 150 spins, so this sample represents 229200 spins. My sample is too small to say anything definitive about how often you can expect to hit big, this is just for fun. I will keep collecting DoA data whenever i play it.

Breakdown of the wins
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A chart to put it into perspective
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5 extra spins: 37 times

5 wilds on a line: 13 times

5 scatters: 1 time


All the wins over 1000xBet

DoA 1000x +.jpg


Here is the spreadsheet if anyone wants it, i hope it works as i use open office and not excel. I saved it as a .xls file since you can't attach .ods files here.
View attachment DoA Real Play excel.xls

(all the values are in NOK, 8NOK=1€)
 

zreb

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Interesting data, any idea what the average feature win came out to and the standard deviation for a single spin on the game?

Seems surprising how evenly spread out the >1000x wins are, would have assumed they'd be more clustered on the low end.
 

Blathaon

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Interesting data, any idea what the average feature win came out to and the standard deviation for a single spin on the game?

Seems surprising how evenly spread out the >1000x wins are, would have assumed they'd be more clustered on the low end.

i don't have spin data, i have no idea how to record that.
All i have done is write down the results of the free spins features.

The reason why the >1000x wins are pretty similar is because if you get 5 wilds on a line then you are guaranteed 1666x bet from the extra 5 spins on that line alone.
So usually 5 wilds on a line means 2000x bet+( if this was what you meant)

The average pay for the feature is 58.31xBet, not that this really matters much since the range is so extreme.


Feel free to download the spreadsheet and play around if there is any more information that can be gotten from it.
 

Balthazar

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So according to your stats, you've got 1 line of wilds every ~15,000 spins, and the free spins trigger every ~150 spins. That means that you get about 1% chance to get a full line of wilds for every bonus round (or 1 bonus out of 100).

Even though the sample is smallish, that's pretty interesting to know! Thank you!

PS: The "1 bonus per 150 spins" seems constant among high variance slots across MGS and NetEnt.
 

dunover

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Interesting - so you attained 5 extra spins 1/41 of the bonus rounds, and 5 wilds on a line 1/118 times. I think you've done OK, because I have never seen 5 scatters and never had 5 wilds on a line despite having well over 100 features in real play. I have had 5 extra spins ONCE but ended up with about 450x stake.
 

Blathaon

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So according to your stats, you've got 1 line of wilds every ~15,000 spins, and the free spins trigger every ~150 spins. That means that you get about 1% chance to get a full line of wilds for every bonus (or 1 very bonus out of 100).

Even though the sample is smallish, that's pretty interesting to know! Thank you!

It must be said that i am well in profit on DoA, so i assume that the real chances are lower. And i know that one time it took 300 features to get a 1000x+win. and two days in the past week i had two mega wins on the same day with only around 50 features between them.

So in the end it is totally random, glad you found the data to be interesting :).

If i had thought about it before, i should have kept two spreadsheets, one unsorted and one sorted so that i could have seen the distribution of the wins. Too late now though.

PS: The "1 bonus per 150 spins" seems constant among high variance slots across MGS and NetEnt.
I dont know for a fact that it is 1 in 150. last time i posted stats from free play i said that i thought it might be somewhere in the region of 1 in 150-200. and then someone else said that it was 1 in 151. So it might not be correct, but it is a fair assumption.
 

Balthazar

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Interesting - so you attained 5 extra spins 1/41 of the bonus rounds, and 5 wilds on a line 1/118 times. I think you've done OK, because I have never seen 5 scatters and never had 5 wilds on a line despite having well over 100 features in real play. I have had 5 extra spins ONCE but ended up with about 450x stake.

When I started playing this slot I got the 5 extra spins twice in my first 5 bonus rounds, then another time later (when I got my full line of wilds) and then never got the extra spins again in God knows how many bonus rounds (a lot more than 41)!
 

Blathaon

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Interesting - so you attained 5 extra spins 1/41 of the bonus rounds, and 5 wilds on a line 1/118 times. I think you've done OK, because I have never seen 5 scatters and never had 5 wilds on a line despite having well over 100 features in real play. I have had 5 extra spins ONCE but ended up with about 450x stake.

Yes i have done more than OK, im well in profit. And this data is not my lifetime DoA stats, i only started recording it this summer, in july i think. While i have played DoA since december last year. It's only recently that i have had a lot of mega wins fairly close together.

So i think my data are a bit skewed. And the real chances are probably somewhat lower, i will continue to record my DoA play though so maybe after another 6 months or a year i can make another post with more accurate numbers :).
 

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When I started playing this slot I got the 5 extra spins twice in my first 5 bonus rounds, then another time later (when I got my full line of wilds) and then never got the extra spins again in God knows how many bonus rounds (a lot more than 41)!

Yeah, the luck of randomness - you had a very early spike in RTP, which had to come down and did. I never saw the peak, although I had several sessions where a small deposit recycled many times, as if I had 100% RTP via small-medium reel wins with the odd feature, but never hitting the dream one,
 

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So according to your stats, you've got 1 line of wilds every ~15,000 spins, and the free spins trigger every ~150 spins. That means that you get about 1% chance to get a full line of wilds for every bonus round (or 1 bonus out of 100).

Even though the sample is smallish, that's pretty interesting to know! Thank you!

PS: The "1 bonus per 150 spins" seems constant among high variance slots across MGS and NetEnt.

I am glad you said that, because I have noticed this across IGT/MG/Playtech/Netent. The average plays to attain a bonus round is just around that figure, not just MG. Almost as if all those softwares are using the same 95-96% generic slot algorithms to base their slots on. The symbols and spread of win-amounts x stake seems to be the only difference to manufacture the desired variance.
 

HIGHIQ

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out of these 5 wilds line hit.. how many time did u hit multiple lines 5 wild? just curious too..and what is the most lines u got? wish to see a day the screen full of wilds lol..
 

Blathaon

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out of these 5 wilds line hit.. how many time did u hit multiple lines 5 wild? just curious too..and what is the most lines u got? wish to see a day the screen full of wilds lol..

Looking at my screenshots, it looks like 2 lines is the most I've had, and 10 wilds total is the most I've had.

A full screen would be awesome, the most wilds i have seen in screenshots is 11. So getting more than that must be extremely rare.
 

gagamel

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Looking at my screenshots, it looks like 2 lines is the most I've had, and 10 wilds total is the most I've had.

A full screen would be awesome, the most wilds i have seen in screenshots is 11. So getting more than that must be extremely rare.

I had 13 wilds one time, 4.50 Euro spin, win was around 50000. Unfortunately in fun modus:D:D
However I play 1000 spins a day for about 2 weeks and had some good wins, best was a x777.
 

biemme

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Very interesting thread:thumbsup:
I've started playing yesterday for the first time and after 600 spins (4 sessions) i got 4 free spins features, the highest paid x1000. I got 5 extra spins one time and 4 scatters one time. I played only at 0.09€.
Maybe the low stake and short sessions (100-150 spins each) help to get the free spins features.
I will try to complete the turnover (900€) with the lowest stake. Do you think it's realistic?
 

lotusch

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I seriously need to do some more longer sessions on this slot.
It defo does hit big from time to time but I can't stay longer then like 30 mins on this slot per session as it bores me.
Basegame is uberboring and free spins 9/10 times pay crap but I had a few moderate hits on it.
Not the 5 wilds or big 5 wilds on 1 line yet. :rolleyes:
 

aceking123

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i would dred to think of the spins ive played via this machine now abeit at small stakes ive yet to see the 5 wilds . i was lucky at one casino for 5 scatters on 27p since then this machine has been a very very fat greedy little pig to which i want my bacon from it & it better be a large gammon with eggs on top )
 

gagamel

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Very interesting thread:thumbsup:
I've started playing yesterday for the first time and after 600 spins (4 sessions) i got 4 free spins features, the highest paid x1000. I got 5 extra spins one time and 4 scatters one time. I played only at 0.09€.
Maybe the low stake and short sessions (100-150 spins each) help to get the free spins features.
I will try to complete the turnover (900€) with the lowest stake. Do you think it's realistic?

Well, it makes no difference. I play this slot always 1000 spins in a row because you need these spins to have a good come out. There are sessions 900 spins are nothing and then I have the hit. It belongs to you. But don`t play just 100 or 200 spins, definitely not long enough.
But that`s my opinion and experience.
 

Tirilej

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I have had 2 five-scatters on this game and probably 15-20 5-wilds in line and many other really good payouts in free spins.
I never when I've had those payouts have played so long sessions as people normally tries to do.
I get bored too. Mostly around 130 spins and if no free spins come then I start all over or change betsize or game.

I know I've been really lucky on it too, and that's what it take. That playing an enormous amounts of spins thinking you will win because of that isn't anything I believe in. It would destroy the fun of playing. At least for me.
Interesting statistics anyway.
 

gagamel

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I have had 2 five-scatters on this game and probably 15-20 5-wilds in line and many other really good payouts in free spins.
I never when I've had those payouts have played so long sessions as people normally tries to do.
I get bored too. Mostly around 130 spins and if no free spins come then I start all over or change betsize or game.

I know I've been really lucky on it too, and that's what it take. That playing an enormous amounts of spins thinking you will win because of that isn't anything I believe in. It would destroy the fun of playing. At least for me.
Interesting statistics anyway.

Hi Tirilej
of course I stop if I hit a big one in my first 100 spins. But for me luck is an afterburner, so I need a lot of spins to be satisfied.:cool:
 

De Beuker

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I have had 2 five-scatters on this game and probably 15-20 5-wilds in line and many other really good payouts in free spins.
I never when I've had those payouts have played so long sessions as people normally tries to do.
I get bored too. Mostly around 130 spins and if no free spins come then I start all over or change betsize or game.

I know I've been really lucky on it too, and that's what it take. That playing an enormous amounts of spins thinking you will win because of that isn't anything I believe in. It would destroy the fun of playing. At least for me.
Interesting statistics anyway.

And you're absolutely right.
Its all about luck, and the lack of in my case.
I'm so far down on this game its not funny anymore.
I always play the same betsizes, 0.45 beeing the highest, and I've tried that 'brute force' method, play thousands and thousands of spins every weekend, but only (for DOA) moderate hits came, or none at all.
I've hit 2900x bet a year ago, and thats still BY FAR my best one, never saw 5 scatters.

Really, be careful with DOA, it does NOT pay over 100%, and someone has to pay for those monsterhits, and its NOT the casino that does, believe me.

If you really want to win on this game you gotta hack Rolastans IP adress.:D:D

But seriously, if you want to crack this game by playing it alot, you need either a monstrous bankroll or an amazing amount of luck.
A Game that can pay 4-7000x bet can easily TAKE that too without giving anything.
If I hit 10.000x bet tomorrow on my first spin, I'm still far down on this game, just so you know...:oops:

I gave up a few months ago, I give it a few hundred spins now and then when I'm up, but no more chasing the big one, feels better for me at least.
 

biemme

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I had been lucky tonight, i followed your suggestion Gagamel, done 600 or maybe more spins in a row, and i got other 4 free spins features (one with 4 scatters), the best one x3122 :D
Ended with more 100€ (I've started playing Doa yesterday with 20+20b) :D
heypoker x3122.jpg
 

biemme

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Another lucky win just now after 43 spins, with +5spins, x872 bet.
I tried increasing regularly stake after a single win for 1-2 spins only to look for wins in a row, seems working:p
Never tried Heypoker before, maybe a lot of Doa players there (sometimes the slot stop and tell to try later, i think too many players).
They present free spins daily too, incredible :eek:
heypoker x872 bet.jpg
 

gagamel

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Played yesterday 2000 spins with 0.09, no big hits. But after this session I had 35 Euros from my 50 Euro deposit left. I know no other game with such a big hit potential and such a long playtime. Maybe TS when Thor is with me:oops:
 

biemme

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I completed the turnover and i can withdraw around 60€ (i deposited 20€), after the last post i have never seen a nice free spin features, all paid less than 2€. From more than 200€ the balance falled down slow at the beginning and faster when i was near completing the wagering (40x bonus). I think that at the end it's only a matter of luck;)
 

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Continuing from the discussion here, I'll continue in this thread as the other stuff doesn't really belong in Show Me The Money.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/show-me-the-money-screenshots-min-1000xbet.32622/

I am now at 125K spins through DoA, I haven't had five wilds on a winline once, highest single win is 900x stake where I got a load of wilds in free spins (and got the five extra spins) but somehow managed not to get a full line, other than that it's stopped a few times on the 500x stake stop trigger.

I'm on 36p spins and if I were playing for real money I'd have lost over £2000.

I'm not tracking stats on feature frequency but over so many spins it's safe to assume I'll have achieved about the average of one per 150 spins, so that's over 800 FEATURES without seeing a line of wilds.

This slot is a fucking basket case.
 
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