Crystal Palace...........again???????

[kakata]

Congrats kakata!

Do you think they know about your posts here? Do you think they paid you because of them? If so, and you know it, that would be not sucha good use of this forum, just like some exploiters may try to use the forum to leverage against a casino. I hope that isn't the case.

I want to know if you got ripped off. I want to know if you got paid. I want to know if you risk your money foolishly or wisely and the results of each choice. So don't get me wrong in asking. The more people speak out, the more the discerning player has to go on.

I won't play there, and I hope that nobody else does 'just because' you got paid. But I'm glad you might be paid, and I'm glad you posted your experiences.

Again, congrats

No thats not the case.
Ive played at so many casinos I cant even remember how many.
I had an issue with inetspend.....I postedIn that particular case I was wrong and I publicly apologized to the manager. I had other reasons to post I did.
I didnt use the forum for no other reason that as form of information and enterteinment.
I post on other forums too.......actually, most of the time I read treads on other forums....lol.
With this tread, I never intended to suggest others to go there and play........lol....its ridicoulous to even think that. Cmon I should be of the worst species.Even I dont really think so bad about myself.

kakata

 

[kakata]

Just because you have a tracking # doesnt mean you have been paid. There have been other members of this forum who have received tracking numbers that turned out to be fake. Not that I wish that upon you, but you have seemed to have missed the whole point of this thread in that we are be critical of you for playing at a casino which has a total disregard for 99.99% of the players, totally ignoring their requests for withdrawels, etc. I will say it again, that by depositing at that casino you are enabling them to remain in business and rip off others without remorse or conscience.If you truly support the gambling community you would stop playing there!!!!!!!!!

99.99??????????????So, Im the only customer left?
From now on,I will only play at casinos where I never won a penny, so everybody will be happy, Ill go broke and all this tragedy will be over.
Will than everybody else be happy?
If its fine w/ you guys, please let me know and I will be more than honored to make all of your wishes come true,with my future losses.
LOVE lot of it

kakata


good night

 

[eduun]

YUK!!!!!!

 

[Pinababy69]

Forget it....the guy will just never get it. He is in effect "thumbing his nose" at everyone who played there and didn't get paid (legit players).

And it still gets me how he thinks because he won there, that makes it a good casino!! Unfortunately, he's not alone in that regard at all. Too many people equate luck with reputation, and nothing could be further from the truth. I've seen me make 10 or 15 deposits in a row at one casino, and not win a penny...but continue to play because they ARE reputable...and my luck will eventually turn.

I'd give my money to charity before I'd give it to rogue casinos....lucky or not.

 

[eduun]

Let us know when you really get paid?

 

[tim5ny]

I can't take it anymore! It's THREAD.. not TREAD

 

[happygobrokey]

I can't take it anymore! It's THREAD.. not TREAD

not in jamaica! de tread mon! get busy, just shake dat booty nonstop, when de beat drop, jus kep swingin it, get jiggy, get crunked up perculate, anyting ya wan fi call it, oscillate de hip and don take pity, me wan fi see ya get live, pon de riddim it'a ride and me lyric a-provide electricity, gyal nobody kyan tell ya nuttin cau' ya done know ya destiny, yo sexy ladies wan par widdus, and inna cyar widdus, dem nah war widdus, inna de club dem wan flex widdus, dem get next ta us, nah vex widdus, from de day me born jah ignite my flame, and ya call mah name and it is me fame, it's all good gyal turn me on, let's get it on til de early morn, let's get it on til de early morn, yo it's all good just turn me on...

 

[kakata]

I can't take it anymore! It's THREAD.. not TREAD

LOL LOL LOL.........SORRY.
YOU R RIGHT. I try my best. Im Italian (nobody is perfect)

 

[kakata]

Let us know when you really get paid?

I surely will.
Ill do the same also if I wont get paid.
Dont ever doubt it.
Than it will be the beginning of a new THREAD. Correct?

 

[eduun]

Well, I set you up with asking you to tell us when you got paid because I knew that they had given you a tracking # just to keep you quiet.You had us believe that you had already been paid. I will look forward to your new thread on how you never got paid!!!

 

[happygobrokey]

kakata i noticed you said you're in a chair. how old are you? have you tried murderball or other feats of strength in the upper body like wheelchair racing, shotput or armwrestling? i saw the murderball documentary and it looks like mad fun! my dad has entered some charity events with wheelchair races and basketball involved, and he had a great time. i'm not making light of your situation or suggesting you quit gambling, just came to mind that there could be some very exclusive hobbies you might excel in if you tried them. wheelchair tennis is getting popular as well and very accessible to anyone, also you can play against able-bodied opponents (a wheelchair player gets two bounces to return the ball, all other rules the same). i imagine playing baseline and hitting balls "on the run" (no pun intended) would be a blast! heavy brake and fly back to get the cross-court return, hell yeah!

don't limit yourself; by all means enjoy gambling, but sweating payouts and being convinced of where you "always lose" leads me to believe your hobby is more than casual and perhaps there are times when it is less than enjoyable to play but you do anyway. someone else here at the forum i remember mentioned they were chair-bound as well, i can't remember who but a frequent and well known poster here. perhaps you two can get in touch and discuss your specific circumstances further.

and please try to realize that wins come independantly of which casino/rng deals your game. luck only equates to variance and if you had played the whole time at only one casino instead of several, you would have same or similar results, depending only on the random cards/spins and the game you play, not by who hosts it. of course there may be slight variations in the rules adopted by certain softwares, such as in microgaming pontoon, where a ten drawn to a split ace is not a pontoon, where the strategy becomes to hit rather than split them to go for a 5-card hand.

but if you play x hands of game y, your expected results are the same be it at 1 casino or n number of casinos. maybe the psychotic 1000% bonuses from crystal et al enabled you to gamble loosely and win that 20k once, but if you had been playing with the same stack for the same bets somewhere else, you stand the same chance to win just as much. i'm finished now; this was really none of my business, but there are obvious fallacies in your reasoning that should be addressed. take care!

 

[kakata]

Well, I set you up with asking you to tell us when you got paid because I knew that they had given you a tracking # just to keep you quiet.You had us believe that you had already been paid. I will look forward to your new thread on how you never got paid!!!

You are right, sofar.
I did get the tracking number,next day I received the ATM card, via UPS.
Money, still, are not on it.
I was told 24/48 hours for card to be activeted.
So I this stage........I will have to be patient untill tomorrow afternoon, which happens to be friday...........???
Well the latest should be Monday.Hopefully!!!!!!
Ill be back.

 

[jenn1381]

I think what pina and others are trying to get through here... is that by continuing to give them your money you are in essence continuing to allow them to be theives. It's like me going and handing over money to a group who is a known terrorist cell. I'm aiding their suffering towards others.

The more people that continue playing at groups that are well known rouges, the longer the suffering will go on. For those few who DO get paid (and even then, my goodness - if I had to fight like this to get paid, whether or not I got it in the end wouldn't be an issue.. we shouldn't HAVE to fight for money that we rightfully win!) there are many many others who do not. We need to look at a casino as a whole.. not just how they treated us, but how they treat most of their players.

You may be on the good list for now, but it won't last. One day you will get stiffed and then you'll be crying wishing you had listened. Not trying to be rude or anything, but perhaps that's a lesson you need to learn.

 

[kakata]

Well, I set you up with asking you to tell us when you got paid because I knew that they had given you a tracking # just to keep you quiet.You had us believe that you had already been paid. I will look forward to your new thread on how you never got paid!!!

Well, I received $600 only of the $1700.
The reason, supposely is, that I had 2 wins.
First one for 600 and a second for 1100.
They never said i was receiving only 600.They always made me believe I was getting the full amount....
It seemd weird to me, though, cause I knew the 2 winnings where almost a week apart.
BTW there is something new................In few hours they removed and changed theyr live chat.Actually It doesnt exist anymore.
I had a chat with them few hours earlyer??????????
Something is changing.....I dont know what thou.
The story continues..........


Updates.
It was as I thought.
The 2 withdrawals were indeed 10 days apart.
I called and I was told that ,the rest of the money, would be available"next week".Lets see.
Mean time, I went to a ATM next to my house and withdraw the available 600 .

 

[dc9999]

Forget it....the guy will just never get it. He is in effect "thumbing his nose" at everyone who played there and didn't get paid (legit players).

And it still gets me how he thinks because he won there, that makes it a good casino!! Unfortunately, he's not alone in that regard at all. Too many people equate luck with reputation, and nothing could be further from the truth. I've seen me make 10 or 15 deposits in a row at one casino, and not win a penny...but continue to play because they ARE reputable...and my luck will eventually turn.

I'd give my money to charity before I'd give it to rogue casinos....lucky or not.

kakata is EXACTLY the type of online gambler that lets rogue casino groups (like Crystalisle) survive - and thrive. The whole point of belonging to a COMMUNITY kakata, is that there is supposedly "strength in numbers" ..at least that's the concept. This is especially important in a largely lawless and unregulated industry like online casino gaming.

In your world, if YOU are taken care of, it doesn't matter whether or not the business is reputable, has screwed other people, is devoid of business ethics etc etc.

The coup de grace though, is that not only do you continue to support these charlatans, you come on this forum and brag about your exploits!

Unbelievable - but equally perplexing are the number of "thank you's" and supportive responses you have received from other members.

And we wonder why the online gambling landscape keeps getting darker every day......

 

[kakata]

kakata is EXACTLY the type of online gambler that lets rogue casino groups (like Crystalisle) survive - and thrive. The whole point of belonging to a COMMUNITY kakata, is that there is supposedly "strength in numbers" ..at least that's the concept. This is especially important in a largely lawless and unregulated industry like online casino gaming.

In your world, if YOU are taken care of, it doesn't matter whether or not the business is reputable, has screwed other people, is devoid of business ethics etc etc.

The coup de grace though, is that not only do you continue to support these charlatans, you come on this forum and brag about your exploits!

Unbelievable - but equally perplexing are the number of "thank you's" and supportive responses you have received from other members.

And we wonder why the online gambling landscape keeps getting darker every day......

Im tired DC999.I left a message for you at WOL, and I dont feel like repeating myself.
Get a divorce you will be much happyer believe me.

 

[dc9999]

I suppose when someone like you kakata, attempts to rationalize your own ethically challenged actions, its only natural to go off topic and throw out a cheap shot. It's a classic tactic used by everyone from dishonest politicians to high profile criminals: DEFLECT, DEFLECT, DEFLECT.....don't tackle the central issues, and go off on tangents to muddy the waters.

I wouldn't expect anything less - or more - from a Warren Cloud disciple

What a sad case really, of an inveterate gambler who needs the "action" so bad, he's willing to line the pockets of PROVEN lowlifes by continuing to patronize and PUBLICALLY support scammers of the highest order.

Al Capone was probably a hero to you eh kakata?:notworthy

PS - the Elmer Fudd icon is a fitting tribute to a man of your "stature"....

 

[lojo]

There is plenty of balance here to any 'good' kakata has to report about his experience. I, for one, would rather see this stuff discussed. It keeps the issue on the threads and the web. Anyone who even casually scans this forum will read and heed or not.

Again, congrats on getting paid. It seems you were lucky, not that they love you, unless as I mentioned before, they are aware of this thread and looking for some good PR. They won't get it here.

A story an oldtimer told me a long long time age: (beam out now because this might be boring)

Sears or Montgomery Ward used to sell washing machines in small towns. There was a part that failed due to rust. It was a known defect in the machines. It usually happened after the warranty period.

Either the district rep or the local dealer decided the thing to do was have a couple units on hand that used a brass fitting in this weak spot that wouldn't rust. When the town gossip, or the mayors wife or someone like that would buy a machine, it was retro-fitted with the 'everlast' part without the buyer's knowledge.

When a complaint would come up it was always the consumer's fault for not taking care of the machine right, because looky here... this machine and this machine are still working perfectly after all these years.

Congratulations on a getting one of the special machines klakata.

 

[Da_Gambla]

I agree Lojo -

No matter how you look at it, it matters not how much negative feedback a casino gets. Anytime they get a whim to pay a few players, it's going to get posted and that will generate some players willing to go back. That essentially means that every single person owed money by a casino is a potential involuntary shill and spokesperson for that casino. No matter if your post is filled with 10 thousand negative things and you swear you will never do business there again, it still says "I got paid" in there. Someone will read it and go deposit.

Some of you folks have gotten really personal with the OP, and maybe there's some history behind some of it. Most of it, however, seems to just be based on this boycott theory.. so I ask, do any of you truly believe a botcott adhered to by all CM members would result in a casino going out of business? That's a stretch for me... I mean, honestly, I would think that the amount of players at such a casino being CM members (especially a listed Rogue group) would be infinitely small. The rest would be people who probably have no idea a place like this exists. People get screwed over every day with no recourse, but I digress... my point here is that at best, CM serves as a force for change. I don't believe the absence of players from CM will put a casino out of business. I believe that once a casino would like to attract the consumer force within CM, they will make the appropriate changes.

I have been in the position of the aggressor towards someone I believed was doing real damage. The difference between this situation and my tiff with AllAmericans dotcom is that in this situation, we have an individual player. In the AllAmericans dotcom situation, we had a business entity. Not only did we have a business entity, we had an individual aggressively trying to move his business forward utilizing false information directed at the uniformed and desperate. I found that to be 100 times more potent for doing harm.

Although I risk be labeled hypocritical, it is my wish that anymore personal jabs at this individual end. Was his depositing at a Rogue casino selfish? Maybe.. but it is his money and he is not (so it appears) trying to convince anyone else to deposit there. He keeps repeating that he just wanted to share the original issue causing him anxiety. He believed he was posting within a peer group speaking a similar language, but he didn't bargain for how the thread ended up. I don't like what he did, but I can't hate him for it either.

I always thought the various lists of dodgy establishments were recommendations for you to avoid, not that they were actual boycott and pickett demands. Nonetheless, people cross pickett lines all the time, and even though they do, the two parties in the dispute usually sort it out anyways. The pickett crosser becomes insignificant.

Anyone with any level of intelligence will read all of your responses and avoid this casino/group. You have done your job by providing the opposite point of view; in spades. Now let this man go get piss drunk and celebrate...

With the respect due to all of you,
- Keith

 

[lojo]

Dammit man, me thinx you already got pissed (those nutter brits call that drunk.

Lets all lift a cheer in all the ways to anymind willing to parlay here (three cheers)

kakata did what a good citizen would do in the community; went to town hall and reported an experience to the whole congregation. kudos. Nothing to do with anybody else's play. Kakata's experience.

There is no 'towing the party line' as long as free thinkers are denizens here. (And I don't mean the Meister's decisions, they are a line to tow: observable, repeatable and verifiable)

Rogue is rogue. i have no deposit/withdrawl exp with the group so I'm not qualified to speak to the issue that way. I only know what I read.

I totally respect your posts so far.

ps i'm pissed

 

[kakata]

To DC9999:

I never said they are a reputable casino.
I do read on forums.
You probably dont always do,since you are so busy using your dictionary, trying all the time to find the most ,I would say, unusual or difficult words in it.
When I first posted 5 months ago, I was worried of not getting paid, cause I read your thread at WOL.( It would have made you very happy, if I wouldnt get paid that time)
It didnt happen to go that way. ( Lucky me )
I was paid .......end of the story.
Few months later I did give em a try,due to a lack of winnings at other places.
It happen, to me ,of being lucky again, at that very same casino.
( what a big sin have I committed?)
So, I came to the forum, and told everybody: Look guys how lucky I am, I won again at that same rogue casino .
I knew i was risking my money, but it was only a very small amount.
Now, I won due to a free $100 bonus I received. I used it, I won .
I will still post errors of mine or my happiness to a win.
Wherever it will happen.
I dont and I didnt suggest to anybody to go there and play, NEVER did that.
I only posted my personal experience with them, which happend to go the way it did.
I know you would have loved the otherway around,.....its not my fault,I couldnt make you any happyer.

Ciao DC9999.

I want to apologize to all the other members for being the cause of all this boring mess.

Regards
kakata

 

[dc9999]

Again, the issue isn't whether or not kakata should be paid---of course he should.

The point I and others have raised is...why would someone KNOWINGLY support a rogue opertation like Crystal Palace given what has been stated about these crooks here and elsewhere?

Geez folks, don't you think that there is something inherently wrong with supporting crooks and thieves of the highest order like these guys?

AND..."if" kakata gets screwed in the future by Crystal Palace, do you think he warrants any sympathy and support knowing full well he was dealing with an unethical business?

WOW....

 

[Da_Gambla]

Again, the issue isn't whether or not kakata should be paid---of course he should.

The point I and others have raised is...why would someone KNOWINGLY support a rogue opertation like Crystal Palace given what has been stated about these crooks here and elsewhere?

If you re-read this thread, the answer was given more than once and in more than one way. You don't like his rationale, but that doesn't mean it wasn't given. When he tells you he feels 'lucky' when he plays there, you read him off odds and chances of winning anywhere... yet it falls onto his deaf ears. He tried to explain... Anyone who gambles and hangs out with gamblers knows that they as a group are a very superstitious lot, so it doesn't appear he's pulling answers out of his ass; he really feels that way.

Geez folks, don't you think that there is something inherently wrong with supporting crooks and thieves of the highest order like these guys?

I'll reserve judgement of whether or not he supported (by way of funding) until I know how much he deposited. If what he has posted here is the whole story, it seems as though he WON, which means he is attempting to withdraw more than he deposited. That means the casino is lighter in the bank account department. If you mean supported as in theory, again, we all consider ourselves capable of making our own decisions. I have yet to meet a gambler who isn't just a little bit of a control freak. So he crossed an invisible pickett line. If that's the worst he did, let's move on...

AND..."if" kakata gets screwed in the future by Crystal Palace, do you think he warrants any sympathy and support knowing full well he was dealing with an unethical business?

He wasn't supported this time, much less next time or the time after. He asked for people to listen, a venting mechanism for his anxiety. He knew what he did was foolish, that's clear. He publically stated he neither deserved or expected actual intervention if the payment(s) never showed up. Bryan also clearly told him to not bother complaining via a "no sympathy here" statement.

I am clearly here to state that indeed Kakata is part of the problem. On the other hand, I really don't feel he contributed to the problem to a degree that warranted how he was hammered on a personal level. DC, all of your parting points here have either already been answered or are quite apparent by reading between the lines. This man did nothing but succumb to the itch for a wager, as well as the feeling that he is lucky when playing at one casino in particular. You can't really believe that requires a public flogging or lynching, do you? I just plain ol' feel sorry for him that he is tied by, a superstitious feeling, to a Rogue establishment. I just don't get the urge to spit on him, is all.

- Keith

 

[kakata]

Well, I set you up with asking you to tell us when you got paid because I knew that they had given you a tracking # just to keep you quiet.You had us believe that you had already been paid. I will look forward to your new thread on how you never got paid!!!

Paid in full.
The 1100 remaining where uploaded this morning on my ATM card.
Well, I found out this morning, could have been last night.

 

[eduun]

good, now dont deposit there again so they will go out of business and stop ripping off others!!!!!!!!!!