Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[goatwack]

Well that's brought an otherwise cheerful Coronavirus thread right down

 

[paul7388]

Well that's brought an otherwise cheerful Coronavirus thread right down

You do manage to do that on a regular basis.

But we still like you just the way you are

 

[goatwack]

You do manage to do that on a regular basis.

But we still like you just the way you are

Yep that's me, Negative Nelly

 

[chuchu59]

The mortality rate varies please can you do the percentages for the following countries?

China	80,409	3,012
South Korea	6,088	40
Italy	3,089	107
Iran	2,922	92
Cruise ship (Diamond Princess)	706	6
Germany	349	0

Even my small brain can work out it's 0% in Germany, it is only 3.5% from certain areas.

Also we have a new virus which spreads easily maybe we will just have to accept it is part of the world's population now like other illnesses and treat it accordingly and get on with our lives maybe when everyone has been exposed they will become immune and it will die out like SARS.

 

[Davey86]

Look on the bright side haven’t caught the virus yet

 

[chuchu59]

The mortality rate can only be of significance when a huge proportion of infected cases reach the next stage ie deaths or recoveries. A month ago, the mortality rate was 2.3% but was not useful data as recoveries only accounted for less than a fifth of infections. When there are no more new infections and people have either recovered or died we can then place a mortality rate to the virus which can no way be lower than the present rate based on overall deaths over infections. I reckon a better comparison would be deaths over recoveries but that could prsently hover at around 6% provided there are no relapses.

 

[chuchu59]

Look on the bright side haven’t caught the virus yet

Its good to be optimistic but with this virus you cannot be sure you havent been infected as you can test negative to the virus several times but suddenly turn positive. This virus is an invisible killer so please remember to take hygienic precautions.

 

[Davey86]

Its good to be optimistic but with this virus you cannot be sure you havent been infected as you can test negative to the virus several times but suddenly turn positive. This virus is an invisible killer so please remember to take hygienic precautions.

I will try my best to follow all guidelines and procedures

 

[Borgie]

UK coronavirus cases rise to 115

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[Davey86]

UK coronavirus cases rise to 115

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Don’t think theirs anyway of delaying it now as they say big jump last couple of days

 

[steveh35]

UK patient from Berkshire has died of Coronavirus she had underlying conditions.

 

[sufferinsilence]

What bothers me is our government knew alot of Belgian citizens were on skitrips in Northern Italy when the outbreak there started to explode yet they were all allowed to go back to work and school on monday. Now all the new cases we seem to get all originate there. I don't understand why they weren't instructed to stay at home until they were tested and given the all clear.

What's worse: missing a week, possibly 2 due to home quarantine, of work or school to have a clean bill of health or possibly infecting tens of others?

 

[mack341]

Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis

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With the overall death toll climbing each day, but the daily death toll showing signs of subsiding, fear and uncertainty have spread farther and farther around the globe as the novel coronavirus continues to captivate the world’s attention. However, John Nicholls, a pathology professor at the University of Hong Kong, says he knows when the virus will become inactive.

In a private conference call organized last week by CLSA, a brokerage firm based in Hong Kong, investment analysts had a chance to ask Nicholls, one of the world's foremost experts on the topic, questions about the novel coronavirus. In the days since the call took place, details of Nicholls' analysis have surfaced on social media and elsewhere online, including a transcript of the call.

.....The transcript of the call showed Nicholls believes weather conditions will be a key factor in the demise of the novel coronavirus. Referencing the SARS outbreak from 2002 and 2003, Nicholls said he thinks similar weather factors will also shut down the spread of the novel coronavirus.

"Three things the virus does not like: 1. Sunlight, 2. Temperature, and 3. Humidity," Nicholls said in response to a question about when he thinks confirmed cases will peak.

"Sunlight will cut the virus' ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it's about 13 to 20 [minutes]," Nicholls said. "Sunlight is really good at killing viruses."

For that reason, he also added that he doesn't expect areas such as Australia, Africa and the Southern hemisphere to see high rates of infection because they are in the middle of summer.

Compared to SARS and MERS, we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of eight to 10 times less deadly to SARS to MERS," Nicholls said. "So, a correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a severe cold. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold."

At the University of Hong Kong, Nicholls has spent the past 25 years studying coronavirus and he served as a key member of the team that characterized SARS.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis

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With the overall death toll climbing each day, but the daily death toll showing signs of subsiding, fear and uncertainty have spread farther and farther around the globe as the novel coronavirus continues to captivate the world’s attention. However, John Nicholls, a pathology professor at the University of Hong Kong, says he knows when the virus will become inactive.

In a private conference call organized last week by CLSA, a brokerage firm based in Hong Kong, investment analysts had a chance to ask Nicholls, one of the world's foremost experts on the topic, questions about the novel coronavirus. In the days since the call took place, details of Nicholls' analysis have surfaced on social media and elsewhere online, including a transcript of the call.

.....The transcript of the call showed Nicholls believes weather conditions will be a key factor in the demise of the novel coronavirus. Referencing the SARS outbreak from 2002 and 2003, Nicholls said he thinks similar weather factors will also shut down the spread of the novel coronavirus.

"Three things the virus does not like: 1. Sunlight, 2. Temperature, and 3. Humidity," Nicholls said in response to a question about when he thinks confirmed cases will peak.

"Sunlight will cut the virus' ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it's about 13 to 20 [minutes]," Nicholls said. "Sunlight is really good at killing viruses."

For that reason, he also added that he doesn't expect areas such as Australia, Africa and the Southern hemisphere to see high rates of infection because they are in the middle of summer.

Compared to SARS and MERS, we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of eight to 10 times less deadly to SARS to MERS," Nicholls said. "So, a correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a severe cold. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold."

At the University of Hong Kong, Nicholls has spent the past 25 years studying coronavirus and he served as a key member of the team that characterized SARS.

I've read about this theory before but comparing it to a severe cold is quite a statement. The case fatality rate is around 3.4% right now, expected to land somewhere between 2-2.5% and with a severe cold I'm going to have a wild guess the CFR is around 0.05%?

Here's to hoping for a hot early spring

 

[steveh35]

They just said on the radio the first sign of the virus is a bad Kroffe well i hope this is not true.

 

[Playford7]

That's what I'm afraid of

Sends shudders up the old spine mate that..

 

[Playford7]

They just said on the radio the first sign of the virus is a bad Kroffe well i hope this is not true.

To be cured with a honey based medicine...
Sweet Jesus

 

[steveh35]

To be cured with a honey based medicine...
Sweet Jesus

What happens when men pretend to be bears its just causes problems.

 

[Playford7]

What happens when men pretend to be bears its just causes problems.

Don’t assume the pronouns man haha

 

[Borgie]

Coronavirus expert says he knows when the virus 'will burn itself out,' according to leaked analysis

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With the overall death toll climbing each day, but the daily death toll showing signs of subsiding, fear and uncertainty have spread farther and farther around the globe as the novel coronavirus continues to captivate the world’s attention. However, John Nicholls, a pathology professor at the University of Hong Kong, says he knows when the virus will become inactive.

In a private conference call organized last week by CLSA, a brokerage firm based in Hong Kong, investment analysts had a chance to ask Nicholls, one of the world's foremost experts on the topic, questions about the novel coronavirus. In the days since the call took place, details of Nicholls' analysis have surfaced on social media and elsewhere online, including a transcript of the call.

.....The transcript of the call showed Nicholls believes weather conditions will be a key factor in the demise of the novel coronavirus. Referencing the SARS outbreak from 2002 and 2003, Nicholls said he thinks similar weather factors will also shut down the spread of the novel coronavirus.

"Three things the virus does not like: 1. Sunlight, 2. Temperature, and 3. Humidity," Nicholls said in response to a question about when he thinks confirmed cases will peak.

"Sunlight will cut the virus' ability to grow in half so the half-life will be 2.5 minutes and in the dark it's about 13 to 20 [minutes]," Nicholls said. "Sunlight is really good at killing viruses."

For that reason, he also added that he doesn't expect areas such as Australia, Africa and the Southern hemisphere to see high rates of infection because they are in the middle of summer.

Compared to SARS and MERS, we are talking about a coronavirus that has a mortality rate of eight to 10 times less deadly to SARS to MERS," Nicholls said. "So, a correct comparison is not SARS or MERS but a severe cold. Basically, this is a severe form of the cold."

At the University of Hong Kong, Nicholls has spent the past 25 years studying coronavirus and he served as a key member of the team that characterized SARS.

Erm Australia is in autumn i think. Summer is over.

 

[mack341]

Erm Australia is in autumn i think. Summer is over.

I think that conversation was recorded almost a month ago, the FT ran a similar aticle about mr nicholl's views on the 7th feb, so I don't know if that changes anything re australia's summer time.

I think the overall point though is right, viruses thrive in the dark and cold of winter, and the constant smog in china can't have helped wuhan in the early days.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Erm Australia is in autumn i think. Summer is over.

Just to name a couple of Australian cities: Sydney and Melbourne will still have temps over 20°C in the next week. Perth will hit low 30s.

 

[goatwack]

Brrr

 

[Mr_Slot5]

The amount of people needing ICU treatment is concerning. If the government isn't careful in how it handles this, the NHS will crumble.

 

[goatwack]

It could well be the catalyst to overhaul the NHS after the fact, maybe even the excuse they've been longing for.

Not that it's sustainable as it is anyway

 

[Mr_Slot5]

P.s no.idea why I've gone back to showing as newbie

 

[dionysus]

P.s no.idea why I've gone back to showing as newbie

@pereblue

 

[chuchu59]

I've read about this theory before but comparing it to a severe cold is quite a statement. The case fatality rate is around 3.4% right now, expected to land somewhere between 2-2.5% and with a severe cold I'm going to have a wild guess the CFR is around 0.05%?

Here's to hoping for a hot early spring

Sounds scientific but there have been quite a number of infections in hot places like Thailand, Singapore or even India. Surely the virus will wuther at least partly in the summer due to the heat but this coronavirus has proven to be extremely unpredictable. One more thing- on this coronavirus WHO sdeems to be untrustworthy. Trust them at your peril.

 

[chuchu59]

P.s no.idea why I've gone back to showing as newbie

Perhaps its due to your babyface.

 

[chuchu59]

UK patient from Berkshire has died of Coronavirus she had underlying conditions.

Infected people have high risk of death if:
1/ they are 60 or over
2/ they have high blood pressure
3/ they have diabetes
4/ they have kidney problems.

Gee! I just ticked all of the above and I have remained in my house for the past 2 months.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Sounds scientific but there have been quite a number of infections in hot places like Thailand, Singapore or even India. Surely the virus will wuther at least partly in the summer due to the heat but this coronavirus has proven to be extremely unpredictable. One more thing- on this coronavirus WHO sdeems to be untrustworthy. Trust them at your peril.

Sure but from what we see now on the graphs they don't seem to spread all that much there (yet?). I'm far from a scientist and we'll have to wait and see.

I can only say this doesn't work well with my anxiety

 

[pinnit2014]

It could well be the catalyst to overhaul the NHS after the fact, maybe even the excuse they've been longing for.

Not that it's sustainable as it is anyway

They could start by at least introducing a semblance of financial management within them - unlike other Public Authorities, say a Council, they're permitted to run at deficits, not a break even.

So, straight from the outset the need/desire to control costs isn't there. It's obviously a bit more complicated than that (are demand pressures and demographic pressures funded by Central Govt etc) but it's be a start.

We used to see the vanity projects on the go - like the 100k funding for consultants to establish the radical view that smoking may not be as healthy for you as, say, a nice crouton laden salad. And to stop eating nitrate laden shite (though now nitrates aren't as cancer inducing as previously thought, go figure)

Sadly the NHS overhaul, which is needed, has been left in limbo somewhat as both political sides kick it across the fence at each other.

And, not sure if in England the whole integrated Health and Social Care's been implemented, but that's been a red tape/bureaucratic shambles north of the border. And that WAS a go at rehauling....and it's been made, arguably worse .

 

[Fiekie247]

We had our first case of the Corona Virus in South Africa yesterday. Some couple returned from Italy apparently.

 

[sufferinsilence]

We had our first case of the Corona Virus in South Africa yesterday. Some couple returned from Italy apparently.

Alot of (Chinese) tourists in Northern Italy: Milan, Venice, Firenze being popular destinations in that part of the country. And on top of that all the wintersport destinations. No wonder it spread like wildfire there.

Even the Chinese are wary about their tourists bringing the virus back home...

 

[shadow123]

And Greta Thunberg wants to stop global warming, ironicaly the very thing that could have slowed
down the spread of the virus,Yeah I know the theory is dodgy but I am bored.
Getting a bit fed up with everyone saying you probably wont die and more people die of flu,and the same
time talking about home and video link funerals.

 

[steveh35]

LBC last night a caller who was a taxi driver got sacked by her company because she threw a man out of her taxi mid journey because he told her he had a mate who had been to Milan.

The presenter was trying to tell her you can't just throw someone out of your taxi because they have a mate who has been to an area and has no symptoms.

She couldn't grasp it.

 

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[steveh35]

Australia's bizarre problem with bog paper continues, surely the Aussie government will need to create a bog paper minister if they don't get a grip.

 

[steveh35]

UK cases rise from 116 to 163 and now 2 deaths.

 

[steveh35]

What a shock the British public are stealing hand gels from UK hospitals and ripping them off the walls and stealing them from hospital bedsides.

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[dionysus]

What a shock the British public are stealing hand gels from UK hospitals and ripping them off the walls and stealing them from hospital bedsides.

drug dealers be like...

 

[mina1929]

Australia's bizarre problem with bog paper continues, surely the Aussie government will need to create a bog paper minister if they don't get a grip.

Its crazy in Australia, stupid people are really emptying the shelves of tissues, toilet paper, nappies etc.

I went to Coles supermarket walked past the toilet paper isle and there was none left, no tissues either

Since all the craziness the NSW Health had to put out a message about not needing to bulk buy products as there is such thing as online shopping in case they have to self isolate.

Now shops have put up a sign to only purchase no more than four packs of toilet paper.

I think people are being selfish and not considering poor old pensioners that only shop once a fortnight or single parents with kids.

I found this funny pic, for laughs

 

[steveh35]

I went shopping today plenty in Home Bargains if they want some

 

[dionysus]

part of the world uses their hand to wash down there; i did for 2 years overseas
no toilet paper wouldnt be the end of the world

 

[mina1929]

part of the world uses their hand to wash down there; i did for 2 years overseas
no toilet paper wouldnt be the end of the world

Some silly people in AU thought toilet paper came from china and AU will run out.

We do have factories lol

 

[goatwack]

Amazing how feral people will become in sheer blind panic, flamed in no small part by the media!

Incredible really, considering how enlightened and knowledgeable today's society is

 

[steveh35]

Amazing how feral people will become in sheer blind panic, flamed in no small part by the media!

Incredible really, considering how enlightened and knowledgeable today's society is

Just listen to LBC sometime you will see how loony some people are getting a woman rang earlier to ask the doctor who was in the studio if opening her window would blow the virus inside and infect her.

It's comedy entertainment at the moment with some of the callers.

 

[steveh35]

This is still my fave call I wonder if she is still sat inside.

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[Playford7]

What a shock the British public are stealing hand gels from UK hospitals and ripping them off the walls and stealing them from hospital bedsides.

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My mother on her lunch break went to Morrison’s for a sandwich..
she messaged me in hysterics as the soap and hand sanitizer was sold out and lots of morons where panicking..
she took said sandwich back to her merc, upon finishing watched the morons piling out with obscene amounts of toilet tolls and bleach which she laughed at smoking her after lunch fag..
utter fools

 

[dionysus]

there's always flu season, and we still take transit to work, touch rails, seats, bars, go shopping, push carts and touch items on shelves, buy syrups and lozenges with the other hacky people in line, handle money, and we're still here to tell the tale..imagine