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Club World Casino: changing T&C of nd bonus after I won 1100 USD!

Discussion in 'Casino Complaints - Bonus Issues' started by siilix, Sep 19, 2011.

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    Sep 19, 2011
  1. siilix

    siilix Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    HR
    Location:
    the land of despair and darkness
    Hi!
    One week ago I received a 30 USD nd bonus from Club World Casino.
    While playing I went to live chat and asked if the bonus had a max cashout.

    Following my chat with the cs.

    Chat Transcript
    info: Please wait for a site operator to respond.
    info: You are now chatting with 'Katrina'
    Katrina: Hello, how are you today?
    Player: I am good thanks!
    Player: Hi! I am playing with a no deposit bonus 30 USD (cupon NGP30M6NCD) how much is the max cash out?
    Katrina: ok there is no maximum cash out for this coupon
    Player: really?
    Katrina: yes really
    Player: well I am happy for it
    Player: thanks, this was all
    Katrina: Your welcome, have good day!
    Player: you too!
    info: Your chat transcript will be sent to This email is not visible to you. at the end of your chat.



    Happy for the nd bonus I start playing, after few spins I hit relatively big on Mystic Dragon slot. Continued playing to clear my wagering requirements and even played a bit more than that.
    Cashed out 1100 USD.

    To make a long story short, I was paid 300 USD only in my Neteller account out of a 1100 USD winning.

    Contacted again the live chat to ask why and they told me the bonus had a max cash out of 10x.

    Now I don't obviously complain for the free money, but I would expect that they maintain what they said at first, that the bonus had no max cash out.

    Had a discussion back and forward with the support yesterday and today and they quickly apologized and said the manager decided to make a good action and give me 300USD free chips to play.
    Come on, why don't they mantain what they first said (no max cashout) instead of giving me some free useless chips which for sure will have another ridiculous cash out limit!!!?

    Very disappointing experience, from a casino where I deposited quite much already during these last 3 years, I would have expected a different kind of treatment.
     
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  2. Sep 19, 2011
  3. Repro

    Repro Dormant account PABnononaccred PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    Financial
    Location:
    Netherlands
    If you've been a player there for a few years you should have known the €30 ND bonusses they offer ALWAYS have the 10x max cashout.

    I fully agree that the chat made a big mistake and they agreed on that. I think the $300 is a very generous compensation for the mistake they made.
     
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  4. Sep 19, 2011
  5. BMWSTACK

    BMWSTACK Ueber Meister

    Occupation:
    Work
    Location:
    US
    Repro is right all ND deposits are 10x. Chat made a mistake, but obviously its not really a mistake they should stick to since it was free money and you have the same terms as everyone else. $300 on a free 30nd bonus is a great win.
     
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  6. Sep 19, 2011
  7. siilix

    siilix Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    HR
    Location:
    the land of despair and darkness
    I don't agree with you.

    The fact I am a depositor doesn't mean I should know the max cash out terms of each nd bonus. I was not sure if there was a max cash out and had all rights to ask and double-check in chat. I assumed those cs people exactly knew what's going on there with their bonuses and trusted they would have given me correct details.

    They should train their customer support to give correct information and not to mislead people there.
     
  8. Sep 19, 2011
  9. siilix

    siilix Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    HR
    Location:
    the land of despair and darkness
    I know that 300 USD out of 30 nd is great...

    ...but it is not that what I am complaining about.

    It is the fact in live chat they told me one thing initially and changed that thing after I won high.
     
  10. Sep 19, 2011
  11. Nate

    Nate Ueber Meister CAG webmeister

    Occupation:
    Monster
    Location:
    Cyberspace
    I share your sentiments siilix... A promise is a promise, irrelevant of what past practice applies. If you have been advised by live chat that there was no max cash out, they should honor it.

    Other agreements can be made by live chat only for them to renege on the initial offering. My personal opinion is that they expressly stated that there was no max cash out, and changed the terms - PAB.

    Integrity is everything - I wouldn't trust what they tell me if this is the case. Its laughable that they even attempt to hold back a $1000 WD...

    Nate
     
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  12. Sep 19, 2011
  13. tat00

    tat00 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    SELF EMPLOYED
    Location:
    san diego cA
    i totally agree with this - they should pay for what they stated is a fact. he has it in writing and proof of what the t&c were at the time he asked. even though it was free money .

    imo
     
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  14. Sep 19, 2011
  15. Jasminebed

    Jasminebed Closer to 100 than Birth

    Occupation:
    Not in workforce
    Location:
    Ontario
    We are often told to check terms if we are not sure. How you play a bonus with no max cashout and one with a $300 max can vary. Isn't it $350 for a wire for US players here?

    Anyone can make a mistake. CW can deal with their CS any way they deem appropriate. But this CSR is acting as an agent of the casino, and they need to honour the terms they gave the OP.

    When players make mistakes, by exceeding bet restrictions or playing excluded games, we are told to suck it up, and check terms next time.

    This time the casino made a mistake, they also need to suck it up.
     
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  16. Sep 19, 2011
  17. IanO

    IanO Regular Human

    Occupation:
    Marketing and promotions
    Location:
    Ireland.
    I can see both sides of this.

    Yes the rep (mistakenly) told you there was no Max cashout, but this was simple human error. I had a little look through the published T's and C's for Club World and they could have started citing rules like 'we retain the right to alter or amend... blah blah... sole discretion... without notice.....etc etc''. I have seen similar cases at other casinos where management did exactly this, and ended with: 'The agent made a mistake, max cashout applies.. sorry about that but all you get is 300.''

    Thats not the case here. They at least made a gesture to acknowledge the agents error by offering you an additional 300 in free chips. Hey.. who knows.. maybe during play through you'll hit a random and thank your lucky stars it all went down this way. :)

    I can certainly see how expecting 1100 and getting 600 would make the glass look half empty, but I'd be surprised if they change their decision at this stage so try to look at it as starting with nothing and getting 600. Glass looks pretty full to me :thumbsup:
     
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  18. Sep 19, 2011
  19. secret2

    secret2 irishbrit62 MM

    Occupation:
    driver
    Location:
    New York, United States
    I think that if you receive a ND bonus, it is important to read the T&C's. It's important to read each casino's T&C's as they may differ from casino to another for any deposit.

    I know that it's a 10x on ND bonus at CWC, and some it's 5x...etc.

    Although live chat told you another story it still should not void the T&C terms of that casino. Yes, the live chat rep was incorrect...but I am on the side of the Casino terms of this bonus.

    I know from experience especially at Inetbet playing the bonuses on some of the slots (75% on 5 Real video slots....void on other slots...etc) that it's important that you play ONLY those slots allowed for that bonus.

    I understand that you may have deposited quite a few times with CWC but still, them the rules.

    $300 for free is very cool!:cool: AND a further $300 ?...that is awesome.


    On a side note: This may be a warning to casinos that maybe the live chat reps should pay attention to what the player is saying and maybe repeat what the player asked, just for verification.
     
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  20. Sep 19, 2011
  21. aceking123

    aceking123 Ueber Meister CAG PABnononaccred MM

    Occupation:
    chippy
    Location:
    uk
    if cs has told which is clearly showed in writing here , then bottom line is they should pay, as another forum member pointed out if you make a mistake on wagering or playing a wrong game , the casino pretty much wins this case everytime & get off scot free not paying winnings so why should this be any different in the casinos case , it shouldnt ,they should pay up without trying to side step the issue & train staff with there own policys of promos etc etc )
     
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  22. Sep 19, 2011
  23. DemonUK

    DemonUK Senior Member PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Software
    Location:
    Warrington, UK
    RTG new tab for coupon details can display WR AND any max cashout. A while ago got 100 bonus for 20 pound deposit. Coupon details displayed WR but showed no max cashout. My withdrawal was 2300 pounds got 600. Small print term on letter said to contact support for terms. Saw WR displayed correctly so thought i didn't need to. Big mistake it seems as they claimed i should have contacted them to be given max cashout of 5x......PAB failed by the way. Still i don't suppose 600 from 20 is so bad. Although Idon't agree with being forced to think that way by the casinos. Incidentally the RJ was not reset but i expect the staff had a good party on the 1700 that went into CWCs unclaimed winnings pigeon hole.
     
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  24. Sep 19, 2011
  25. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

    Occupation:
    -
    Location:
    Finland
    BTW their T&Cs say:

    12. The maximum cashout on all non-deposit bonuses is 5x the bonus amount and the timeframe is 30 days unless stated otherwise.

    Also note the 5x max cashout in the T&Cs.

    Edit: they have at least once ruled against a player even if their T&Cs didnt even support it.
     
  26. Sep 20, 2011
  27. DemonUK

    DemonUK Senior Member PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    Software
    Location:
    Warrington, UK
    Mine was a deposit bonus
     
  28. Sep 20, 2011
  29. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Texas, USA
    Siilix,

    Was this ND bonus a loyalty bonus by some chance?
     
  30. Sep 20, 2011
  31. Nifty29

    Nifty29 Dormant account

    Occupation:
    PAID CASINO SHILL
    Location:
    Turn right, then right. then right again
    The OP is not being entirely truthful here.

    The code he mentioned is a loyalty code which comes via email AND includes all the terms for the bonus including the max cashout.

    Now, why would someone contact CS when they already possessed the information? Hoping CS would make an error?

    When there is a dispute over terms, the published terms should apply. I'm sure if the CS rep had said there WAS a max cashout, and the player found later that their WAS NOT, the player would be screaming blue murder. You can't have it both ways.

    The casino has been generous with an apology and a nice bonus. I don't see what else they can do.....if they bend the rules this time, it will set a dangerous precedent.

    @spiderlegz

    Which case are you referring to?
     
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  32. Sep 20, 2011
  33. anniemac

    anniemac Ueber Meister MM PABnoaccred

    Occupation:
    retired
    Location:
    Texas, USA
    Nifty29,

    That's the reason I asked about the bonus code. At the bottom of the email you receive via email and the message center at the casino is the terms and conditions for the ND bonus and the deposit bonus code.

    In all actuality, there should have been no reason to ask CS about this code, if indeed it was a loyalty code.

    I have also won well over the limit on a ND bonus and it really sucks but the terms were spelled out plainly so I had no bitch about it.
     
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  34. Sep 20, 2011
  35. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    The live chat made a mistake no doubt about it. However, it is well-known that CWC free chips have a 10x max cashout and I believe it is in their general ts and cs. If what is stated by live chat conflicts with the casino terms, which should prevail? No-brainer obviously. The $1100 or rather $800 is of little importance but if every Tom, Dick and Harry requests that winnings from this ND have no cap, CWC could be in trouble and throw their ts and cs into disarray.. Frankly, why pick on a simple mistake made by live chat staff when you knew well in advance that there is a 10x cap on free chips. I apologise if you really didnt know, This would put enormous pressure on the support staff who are scared they will say something wrong and in the end they will be reluctant to answer anything.
     
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  36. Sep 20, 2011
  37. 4 of a kind

    4 of a kind Repeated violations of forum rule 1.16 - troll

    Occupation:
    Trans. Tech
    Location:
    New York
    I usually don't participate in this bonus nonsense, but I disagree with many opinions here. "Siilix" spelled out the coupon code. Casino support could have punched in the code for confirmation, but apparently was to lazy and spoke on the fly.

    As far as the player being a veteran member at CWC and should have known better is also bullshit. The same people here rushing to the aid of their sacred CWC, are the same people that tell others if your not sure about terms to contact support for confirmation.

    If this same player made the slightest error, the casino would forfeit all winnings, and the same people would blame the player for not reading terms or should have contacted support.

    It's obvious to most here that a copy of chat confirming what you said is not good enough. What about Siilix thinking it's a no max cash-out and instead of stopping at 300.00 max decided to keep going and lost it all, when he obvious would have stopped at 300.00? I also wonder what the same people here would be telling you if it was a rogue casino.

    The casino rep screwed up, not the player.

    Next time Siilix I would recommend you get from the casino before you play, a notarized signed document with the company seal on it, sent by certified mail with a signed return receipt.
     
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  38. Sep 20, 2011
  39. mn001

    mn001 Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Troll
    Location:
    Casino
    Live chat told you it's no maximum cashout (you presented them with the bonus code so there should not be any questions about anything here, it's crystal clear). So they should pay out in full. Anything else is a scam. Don't accept ANYTHING else.
     
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