Cipher Banned

[two_card]

I found Cipher's posts to be of good value.

I will miss Cipher.

 

[bagofmaggots]

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There's always the Sucks platform, of course LOL

and it's funny too

 

[m249a]

I can't find the thread that caused cipher to be banned? A new member, or older one like myself, only has this thread to read. Was it moved? Or deleted? Or am I simply lacking the skills to find it? If someone knows where it went please direct me to it. Thanks.......BTW I for one will miss cipher.

 

[wanda5]

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There's always the Sucks platform, of course LOL[/QUOTE]


LOVE IT!! Reminded me of "the nanny" and her "naughty pad" that the kids have to sit on when they are bad.

grrrr...

Its irritating me so bad that people are ragging on Bryan about this, but I cant keep my big mouth shut & I will drop it after I vent....

PLEASE think about this before you say mean things...He created this place where FOR FREE he helps all of us, old and new members. I am amazed because theres so much work involved, yet he still does it asking only that we stick to the rules.

I've been here a long time and its not like he jumps the gun, gets pissed and just bans people for no reason. He was even nice enough to try to explain it. I have never seen anyone banned that didnt deserve it and if you are going to side with someone that cannot keep from being insulting and disrespectful rather than understanding and respecting what Bryan did...well, i just dont get it.

If he was YOUR friend, and you had nice things to say about him, great, if you feel like you needed to say something...thats not my gripe...I never had a problems with him myself. But for those who rag on Bryan when you are in HIS house, to me, its just wrong. And I hope you dont need his help someday...because he would probably still be there for you.

Just because YOU personally get along with someone, DOES NOT make it ok that he upsets others. The rules are very simple and adults should be able to stick to them. We are a great group & in so many other message groups people are insulting & rude, and like (i think) Jetset said, "its tollorated" and that not only causes problems for the seasoned members, but also can be very intimidating to the new comers who become afraid to post. No one should have to come here fearing a possible attack or humiliation when they came here with a sincere question.

Go to search and just read some of his responses to people. Some were very helpful, yes, but the rude ones were just that *RUDE* and totally uncalled for. Why should bryan have to play defense or worry about babysitting someone who knows the rules AND had been warned??? It takes away from us when he has to waste so much time on crap like this...that time could be spent helping someone who needs it...it could be you one day.

I love and depend on this place & the great friends I have made here, and I am glad they dont have to worry about thugs for too long. I'm not trying to start an ongoing post fight, but you defended your friend so i'm defending mine.

OK I vented and I'm done now

Wanda

 

[slotchik]

I agree. Bryan doesn't just BAN people for the hell of it. There has to be a good reason. We're in his house...if we don't like it here. ....we should leave.

 

[bewitch]

You girls are right. I should leave or ban myself here because I admit this bother me a lot and I din't like the feeling at all. Sorry~

Have a good one! Happy Chinese New Year!!!

 

[gfkostas]

Some people should just accept the facts.The 'big daddy' decided that cipher is not welcome anymore here so that's the way it is we like it or not.Move on.....

 

[jinnia]

A forum on the internet is not someones home. It may be their project, or line of work, but it is not a home.

With that said, I don't believe in banning anyone for any reason, but some people has no problem doing it, and if a poster is attacking another person, be it the owner of the forum or another poster, the owner can do as he or she pleases and there's not one thing any one can do about it.

 

[jinnia]

There's always the Sucks platform, of course LOL

Shame on you!!

 

[unicorn40]

Jetset seems to have a thing about sucks.

He mentions it on a regular basis, always in a sarcastic manner.

Originally Posted by jetset:
There's always the Sucks platform, of course LOL

I happen to like the sucks forum.

Different strokes for different folks, huh jetset?

 

[paul1]

I happen to like the sucks forum.

Well that sux.

 

[jetset]

Yes indeed, "different strokes for different folks" Unicorn - you have your opinion and I have mine about Sucks or for that matter anything else, and we are both entitled to express it if we do so in a civilised manner. I take it you do not have a problem with that, seeing as you apparently like the Sucks style of discourse?

Jinnia, I'm afraid I disagree with you. A forum is something created by the sweat of someone's brow, at his or her expense and sustained effort over time. The owner carries all of the risk, and imo he or she therefore has the privilege of right of admission, or to ask for reasonable standards of honesty and conduct.

 

[philipfromparis]

to be or not to be...banned

Well,

actually i'm not very old in this community but old enough to have my own opinion about cipher's banishment that i would like to share with others.

To be banned because of a disrespectful behaviour towards others is something that i can understand very well. The question is has cipher been disrespectful towards anybody there : i've read in the previous posts of this thread that he's been so, but who do dare throw the first stone ?

To be banned because you have different opinions from the owner of the place is something i do not agree at all. As far as i'm concerned, a well known forum is built day after day by the contribution and the hard work of his owner indeed, but above all by all the contributions of its members.

An open forum, as far as i think, is a place where freedom of expression should be the spearhead, no matter what is the colour of your skin, your political or ethnics origins...

Had Cipher not respected the rules ? No one knows obviously. But according to the number of reactions caused, and because everybody respects the work, the professionalism and the devotion of Casinomeister, this should be used as lesson in the future.

Because the democracy belongs to everyone who has the chance to live in a democratic place, who fought for it, and as i consider this forum to be a democratic one, the banishment of one of its democratic member should be the concern of everybody here.

In conclusion to this, i would propose, if this should happen in a near future, a democratic vote between the members who feel concerned, when it's question of the banishment of one casinomeister's forum member. This should avoid such passion in the future.

To be or not to be banned... that is the question....

Philipfromparis

 

[Petunia]

Well,

Because the democracy belongs to everyone who has the chance to live in a democratic place, who fought for it, and as i consider this forum to be a democratic one, the banishment of one of its democratic member should be the concern of everybody here.

In conclusion to this, i would propose, if this should happen in a near future, a democratic vote between the members who feel concerned, when it's question of the banishment of one casinomeister's forum member. This should avoid such passion in the future.

To be or not to be banned... that is the question....

Philipfromparis

**Philip, why don't you run for presidency? I have not said very much, and could not let this go by without saying my bit.

I have a democratic right to be here, but bryan has a democratic right to choose if I should be here or not. A vote does not make it democratic in some situations, as the offence committed might not be seen as offensive to MOST rather to the one it was committed against! Who are we to decide. THIS place is not a home, but we spend enough time here to have it a 'virtual place' of sorts. public means that everything is out in the open, but it does not mean that if my creativity includes certain phrases, words or accusations that it should be accepted AND permitted. So all in all. I am no politician, but this is really becoming more and more about finger pointing.
fact. bryan banned ciprus, fact, bryan is the ONLY one who overturn that right to of choice. FACT - if anyone else is not happy with it you can leave. my 2c ... uncoherent as it is today**

 

[jinnia]

Jinnia, I'm afraid I disagree with you. A forum is something created by the sweat of someone's brow, at his or her expense and sustained effort over time. The owner carries all of the risk, and imo he or she therefore has the privilege of right of admission, or to ask for reasonable standards of honesty and conduct.

What part are you disagreeing to of what I posted?

I don't believe in banning anyone for any reason, but some people has no problem doing it, and if a poster is attacking another person, be it the owner of the forum or another poster, the owner can do as he or she pleases and there's not one thing any one can do about it.

 

[jinnia]

I do believe everyone knows they can just LEAVE if they're not happy somewhere, it don't need to be stated over and over, we got it!!

 

[m249a]

A forum is something created by the sweat of someone's brow, at his or her expense and sustained effort over time. The owner carries all of the risk, and imo he or she therefore has the privilege of right of admission, or to ask for reasonable standards of honesty and conduct.

Well said my friend. The fact of the matter is this........Bryan does not charge a fee to belong to this forum. Therefore it is his rules, and it is at his sole discretion that folks be allowed to post or even look at his work. There is NO democratic process involved, no board of directors ect...It is simply Bryans rules or leave, or be shown to the door. It is generous enough to allow the rest of us to debate and or express our opinions. I will miss cipher, some are glad he is gone, and most likely most members could care less either way. In a week or two there will be 10 other things to discuss, and this thread will be forgotten. Such is life.

 

[jetset]

That's a very thoughtful post, Philip and I especially agree with QUOTE ....a well known forum is built day after day by the contribution and the hard work of his owner indeed, but above all by all the contributions of its members.UNQUOTE I second that wholeheartedly. There is definitely mutual benefit here for both members and owner.

But a forum is not Parliament, the Knesset, Congress, the Duma or any other democratic institution owned by The People as a whole. And even then there are procedural and conduct requirements in those august bodies that bind the members and can result in them being disciplined by the Whips or the Speaker.

I don't think we can seriously equate a message board with the common understanding of what constitutes a full democracy - it's someone's property and probably livlihood which if screwed up has an adverse impact on the individual and not the posters. That in itself constrains the webmaster/owner from unfair decisions for the reasons your post suggests.

It's a democracy insofar as there is freedom of exchange of opinion effected through reasonable personal conduct requested by the owner/webmaster, bearing in mind his/her level of risk of losing members for too anarchic a board as much as too stringent a discipline. And in the case of Casinomeister.com those requirements have frequently been voiced and are far from onerous.

There are some folks who find abusive and unsubstantiated rants, hurtful insults, and unrestrained emotional flaming unpleasant and unnecessary. There are alternative sites that find this sort of behaviour "fun" but I doubt these accomplish as much for the player as this site does through its wealth of experience and contacts from both players and other folks involved in online gaming. And the commitment of its webmaster to fair play for all.

I don't see BB as being the big bad monster here, and I suspect there is at least some confusion between resistance to the concept of banning and the circumstances of this particular case.

Past history indicates that BB is reluctant to ban, quick to try and reconcile and that Cipher was warned on a previous occasion and in this one. His reaction to that may not have left BB any alternatives and judging by the vitriolic nature of some of the posts that have been appearing elsewhere that could still be the case.

 

[philipfromparis]

**Philip, why don't you run for presidency? I have not said very much, and could not let this go by without saying my bit.

I have a democratic right to be here, but bryan has a democratic right to choose if I should be here or not. A vote does not make it democratic in some situations, as the offence committed might not be seen as offensive to MOST rather to the one it was committed against! Who are we to decide. THIS place is not a home, but we spend enough time here to have it a 'virtual place' of sorts. public means that everything is out in the open, but it does not mean that if my creativity includes certain phrases, words or accusations that it should be accepted AND permitted. So all in all. I am no politician, but this is really becoming more and more about finger pointing.
fact. bryan banned ciprus, fact, bryan is the ONLY one who overturn that right to of choice. FACT - if anyone else is not happy with it you can leave. my 2c ... uncoherent as it is today**

Hi Petunia,

I entirely respect your opinion. And what makes this place interesting is that different opinions are confronted with others. Having a different opinion from you and beeing able to expose it makes the debate richer. Of course it is the entire right of Bryan to bann anyone he decides to,and who am i to tell the contrary.

But beyond Cipher's bannishment, and what i wanted to underline is that if Bryan's forum is the number one, it is because he lets everybody express themselves. The reason of Bryan's forum success is all about appropriation. People take over his work but over all, do recognize themselves around a common passion. Danger appears when the appropriation is too big for the owner of the place, but that is the best proof of the success.

As far as i'm concerned, i close the brackets on this thread and wish you a beautiful l day Petunia.

Philipfromparis

 

[jetset]

That's a very fair post, M249a, and I am sure the last thing BB (or for that matter many other members like myself here) would like to see would be the departure of members who have opinions and knowledge that we respect if not always share. The loss would be theirs, too imo.

Jinnia, I was referring to "A forum on the internet is not someones home. It may be their project, or line of work, but it is not a home." Home being understood to be in the general sense of a favoured portal.

 

[philipfromparis]

That's a very thoughtful post, Philip and I especially agree with QUOTE ....a well known forum is built day after day by the contribution and the hard work of his owner indeed, but above all by all the contributions of its members.UNQUOTE I second that wholeheartedly. There is definitely mutual benefit here for both members and owner.

But a forum is not Parliament, the Knesset, Congress, the Duma or any other democratic institution owned by The People as a whole. And even then there are procedural and conduct requirements in those august bodies that bind the members and can result in them being disciplined by the Whips or the Speaker.

I don't think we can seriously equate a message board with the common understanding of what constitutes a full democracy - it's someone's property and probably livlihood which if screwed up has an adverse impact on the individual and not the posters. That in itself constrains the webmaster/owner from unfair decisions for the reasons your post suggests.

It's a democracy insofar as there is freedom of exchange of opinion effected through reasonable personal conduct requested by the owner/webmaster, bearing in mind his/her level of risk of losing members for too anarchic a board as much as too stringent a discipline. And in the case of Casinomeister.com those requirements have frequently been voiced and are far from onerous.

There are some folks who find abusive and unsubstantiated rants, hurtful insults, and unrestrained emotional flaming unpleasant and unnecessary. There are alternative sites that find this sort of behaviour "fun" but I doubt these accomplish as much for the player as this site does through its wealth of experience and contacts from both players and other folks involved in online gaming. And the commitment of its webmaster to fair play for all.

I don't see BB as being the big bad monster here, and I suspect there is at least some confusion between resistance to the concept of banning and the circumstances of this particular case.

Past history indicates that BB is reluctant to ban, quick to try and reconcile and that Cipher was warned on a previous occasion and in this one. His reaction to that may not have left BB any alternatives and judging by the vitriolic nature of some of the posts that have been appearing elsewhere that could still be the case.

Jetset,

you are the voice of the reason and as written previously to Petunia, i close the brackets on this thread. It's a pleasure to share with you and others

Philipfromparis

 

[Casinomeister]

Thanks everyone for your input on this - I've been following your comments closely.

I don't want anyone to think that I'm instituting a policy of "It's my way or the highway - if you don't like it, leave." I never have done this, and I never will. Those of you who know me, know that this is not of my nature.

If you don't see things eye-to-eye with me, or with other members, that's fine. Argue your position in a reasonable manner and you will have all ears and eyes.

I don't feel that I run this place with an iron fist, on the contrary, but with a velvet glove - and I do my damnest to be fair when the shit gets thick.

The forum is a community, and with every community there are rules. I don't ask for too much. And no one should have to refer to the rules all that often because they are based on having common courtesy for one another:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/help/forum-rules/

Unfortunately, there have been few members that did not feel that these rules applied to them, and this is a no-go here. There also seems to be a misconception that I am banning people who don't get along with me. This is false. There are 39 banned accounts at Casinomeister; most of these are spammers or from fraudulent postings. 14 are members who became confrontational and abusive with other members. Only four had a run-in with me.

The mission at Casinomeister is to provide information, simple as that. It's not a platform to stand around and beat my chest, or send rogue casinos to roguedom hell - it's to provide information.

And I don't do it alone, I do it with the assistance of the forum members. Each member new and old, lurker or prolific, daft or Einstein-ian; I appreciate and embrace you all.

Just give everyone the courtesy by abiding by the rules. Thanks.

 

[Lurkio]

I appreciate and embrace you all.

Just give everyone the courtesy by abiding by the rules. Thanks.

Even moi BB ???!!!! You DO love me!!

Jetset..please stop using so many long high fallutin joind-edy up words! My brain hurts from your ubererudite post.

 

[slotchik]

Well Said Bryan,,,, but I still say, to those who don't agree with Bry, don't read this board....goodbye.

 

[Anteater]

Cipher is playing a role as whistle here, a big help to new comer. Who will laugh to hell by his banning--you got what you want, some evil casino either.