Changes in signature rules

[RobWin]

From what I have heard, no matter how many you have, they are still counted as one.

That can't possibly be the case because when I run an independent or look at Yahoo, the numbers are always very close. But then again you may be correct..

Google shows you there how many you have. It doesn't mean they carry any weight.

That may be true, I'm not really sure either way but it may be clearer after this month when I see whether or not my PR level increases or decreases.

Google obfuscates links on purpose, never believe what counts you are shown.

Yahoo webmaster tends to be more accurate.

Well, like I said...they both show within 50-70 of the same amount of backlinks.
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[lots0]

Rob,

google only shows a carefully selected number of in bound links.

Because of some things in my past (my involvement in the Searchking PageRank law suit against google) the boys and girls at google like to screw with me a little, so the example I am going to share is a little more extreme than most, but I still think you'll get the general idea.

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Shows only four in bound links to my page www.lots0cash.com, three of the links I own (google knows I own them) and another link that shows a very very lowball estimate of the traffic to that site. Someone at google has a nasty sense of humor...

In Google Webmaster Tools the same site shows no inbound links at all, and the site is NOT penalized or banned in google. It is has quite a few #1 rankings in google for some very high traffic keywords.

Now on the other hand;

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Shows some 4,000+ in bound links to the exact same page. Still a low estimate but a little closer to the actual inbound link count.

A google search for ['www.lots0cash.com'] returns over 40,000 results. If you remove the ~1200 links that are from the domain lots0cash.com itself from those search results you get very close to the actual number of inbound links the page has.

Google shows you the inbound link info they want to show you, not the actual inbound link count. Just like they show you the PageRank they want you to see and not the 'real' PageRank that is used to actually rank your site.

The information that google gives about inbound links is never accurate and is painstakingly designed to make it near impossible to figure out where your actual PageRank is coming from.

A few inbound links from here will help you, more than a few are ignored by the algo... You can believe me or not... but I do know what I am talking about.

 

[RobWin]

Lots0, Thanks for taking the time to put all that together in your post there and further explain it the way you did. It is much appreciated..:notworthy
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[JHV]

Shows only four in bound links to my page www.lots0cash.com, three of the links I own (google knows I own them) and another link that shows a very very lowball estimate of the traffic to that site. Someone at google has a nasty sense of humor...

Whilst I'm all for fun and games within reason - isn't this a bit insane? I mean, this could be peoples' livelihoods they're screwing around with here - what, are they children? (crap ok, they probably are genius kids - but still....)

Don't they have better things to be doing than messing around like this above? I mean, if I understand Black Hat correctly in it's definition - i.e. rules that Google makes regarding linking, many of which used to be legal anyway and are still being used effectively on every search term I run for front page SERPs - why does it have such a negative connotation attached to it?

I mean, I'm realise it's a complicated algorithm in ways my mind can never come a fraction close to understanding - but...it's not working in policing black hat! I see the same joke / terrible sites holding "online casino" related valuable front page SERPs for many years. If the lawmakers (Google) are ineffectual in enforcing their own rules, and all the winners in the game are just black hat and mass link-buyers (as has been told to me is or was the case not long ago)....how is breaking those useless rules such a bad thing? I realise I'm touching sensitive subjects, and I hope people understand I'm clueless and just trying to make sense of it all - but I have a fairly streamlined code of ethics and I'm not getting a personal flag on black hat* at the moment looking at, well, like any search term I imagine is incredibly valuable for online gaming (*assuming I'm understanding "black hat" correctly, that is - I understand there's some dark stuff which won't ever be my thing so I guess I'm more wondering why Grey Hat is so taboo, when Google algorithm appears [to me] to suck, for want of a better adjective).

 

[lots0]

Whilst I'm all for fun and games within reason - isn't this a bit insane? I mean, this could be peoples' livelihoods they're screwing around with here - what, are they children? (crap ok, they probably are genius kids - but still....)

The nasty humor remark was really tongue in cheek. I don't have problem with google or the googlites. They do what they do and I do what I do...

Google does stuff like this not to hurt me, but to protect their product, the search results.

These guys at google know me well and they know if I (or any 1/2 assed SEO) were to figure out the exact way they rank sites we would dominate their search results within a few weeks and the one thing that made google what they are would no longer exist.

In fact I have no one to blame for this but myself. I bearded the giant in his own den... but I am lucky, I'm still here making money... very unlike some of my old partners like Searchking and many others that will remain nameless.

The site I listed above gets well over a million page views a year from google. If they don't want to show my inbound links it's cool with me. (BTW - google knows the only people that look at inbound links are webmasters/seo's, real people/searchers don't care about or even understand what inbound links are.)

If you think the search results are bad now, you should have seen them prior to google and their pagerank algo, Alta Vista and the other old search engines were nothing but cesspools of spam and virtually every search returned porn. Google cleaned most of that up.

 

[JHV]

virtually every search returned porn. Google cleaned most of that up.

Like I said. They're ineffective at their job

So they're getting there - is basically what you're saying? Will they ever reach "there" - or will it be an ongoing and never ending struggle vs Black Hat?

I understand what you're saying about it getting better - I guess I'm just too young to realise it. But I pointed out some of the same sites that are front page SERPs for online casino money search terms years ago to a supposedly genius SEO guy and he said "black hat" (no shit really?)..."and they'll be gone before you know it".

Well, they still there some of them, years later (and likely millions richer). Google go faster imo!

 

[WagerWitch]

Agreed - My links also dropped - HOWEVER - my site is moving UP in Google - again today another 2 spot increase to top 5 spots in a LOT of my keywords.

So question...

If "LINKJUICE" were that important - why is that?

(My links to Casinomeister are also going away - and I'm moving up)...

So this leads me to 2 possible scenarios:

1) Being linked to CM is bad

OR

2) Multiple links to one site aren't counted in PR or in site ranking.

Either that or I had some great fun with a Google executive. LMAO!

 

[lots0]

Like I said. They're ineffective at their job

So they're getting there - is basically what you're saying? Will they ever reach "there" - or will it be an ongoing and never ending struggle vs Black Hat?

I understand what you're saying about it getting better - I guess I'm just too young to realise it. But I pointed out some of the same sites that are front page SERPs for online casino money search terms years ago to a supposedly genius SEO guy and he said "black hat" (no shit really?)..."and they'll be gone before you know it".

Well, they still there some of them, years later (and likely millions richer). Google go faster imo!

IMO they are getting better. I do know that to most of the googlites creating good quality search results is like a quest for the holey grail and they are obsessed with it, truly obsessed. I remember that Sergy Brin once said that he would protect the google SERP like a momma grizzly bear protects her cubs and he was not kidding...

As far as the 'bad sites' in the SERP, well all I can say is that website quality (or the lack of it) is really in the eye of the visitor. For example take a look at google's home page.. IMO it is atrocious, terrible and it truly sucks.. but it is the most visited and best known web page in the world...

 

[lots0]

(My links to Casinomeister are also going away - and I'm moving up)...

Ahh your existing links are not going away... google has just chosen not to show them.

The ranking changes that are going on right now are happening to just about every site and it is all due to caffeine, the new google update. When caffeine is finalized things should settle.

 

[WagerWitch]

Ahh your existing links are not going away... google has just chosen not to show them.

The ranking changes that are going on right now are happening to just about every site and it is all due to caffeine, the new google update. When caffeine is finalized things should settle.

So what you're trying to say is that MY site is WORTHY of being up there and should have been up there the whole time?

LOL!

I wish...

I mean I work hard at what I do - but there are others that are much better at playing the Google Monopoly game than I am.

And I'm pretty up there for the words I wanted and even some that I had no idea I was going to be listed for.

It's a really strange thing to get a hit - and have it pop up and I'm in the top 10 for goodness knows what that search was for... LOL!

But over all - I'm still not getting as many hits to my site as I thought when you got into the top at Google.

It's just not happening.

I HAVE TO MAKE MY traffic happen.

 

[Webzcas]

The ranking changes that are going on right now are happening to just about every site and it is all due to caffeine, the new google update. When caffeine is finalized things should settle.

Spot on LotSo.

As Lotso said google is in the middle of an update. This update is MASSIVE imo, in terms of what they are doing to the search algo at google. Although possibly more subtle than Jagger and certainly more so than Florida, this update is still a Biggy!

Enjoy the ride

 

[Casinomeister]

.. But the fact still remains why some are allowed to keep the hyperlinks "Live" and others have even had non hyperlinked Sig's turned into a 'script look' like this (

"). See "Sig" below!​

They aren't being "allowed" - there is a problem with the sig template that I haven't invested the time to figure out. So now, it's the "honor" system until I have time to go through everyone's account...​

 

[WagerWitch]

Is that you nekkie Bryan? (re your new avie)

LMAO!


Uhmmm.... I have a couple of one dollar bills if you want to turn on the music and start dancing...

 

[Casinomeister]

Some wild man ran through my office...tried to grab my camera.

 

[Alexandre]

Some wild man ran through my office...tried to grab my camera.

What ?

 

[vegetagirl2008]

Some wild man ran through my office...tried to grab my camera.

Who Rey Mysterio?

 

[WagerWitch]

Some wild man ran through my office...tried to grab my camera.

Dude - If I ran through your office and YOU LOOKED LIKE that - NO doubt I would try to steal your camera - to prove to the world that people actually dressed like that (or undressed.... LMAO!)

Here dollar dollar... Here Dollar...

:clap::clap:

 

[KasinoKing]

Just back from my first "internet-free week-long vaction"... nothing's changed then.

Just caught up with this thread, and I'll just say I pretty much agree with everything WagerWitch & Dominique have said.
I personally want sig links allowed, if only in a subtle form - not too big and distracting from the posts. Up 'til now only a couple of people had OOT sigs IMO.
I realise of course, that I may have been seen as one of the biggest offenders before this "ban" and I admit I had probably forgotten the governing rules which I had not read for years! For this I can only apologize.

As I said before, I'm not interested in the Google thing at all, I just think it's nice for contributors to the forum to have their links here so long as they are not promoting irresponsible or inappropriate websites, and they are back-linking to CasinoMeister.

My 2c.

I Just FYI - I rank 21-30 in Google for Casinomeister Forum.... Which shows that I do absolutely PROMOTE Casinomeister.

That's very impressive!
My first mention on that same search is about 83rd place.

As for using CM as a "tool" to attract visitors to my site, here's some stats I just worked out;
In 2009 to date, my KK website has seen 4.52% of unique visits come directly from this forum.
Only 0.17% from my profile page, but 4.35% directly from post signatures.
To lose that 4.35% would be a blow. Not the end of the world, but obviously I would rather keep it than lose it.

At the end of the day it's Bryan's forum and what ever he says goes.
If he bans links outright I will still post here just the same as I have for the last 5 years, but I remain hopeful that a compromise can be reached.

KK

 

[spearmaster]

and then I still see several other peeps who are not mods have live links that look like this....(just using Spear as an example) there are others too...Sig Pic below taken at 12:35pm EST 9-19-09

No one is confused, just busy and sick... LOL... though you may see me being essentially on CM 24/7, it's simply because I leave a window for CM always open

Anyhow, case closed, my sig is gone (or should be).

 

[KasinoKing]

*Bump* So what's happening about this then?

I see some webmasters have been allowed to keep their clickable links (e.g. Polli123 & Bonustreak for example), whereas I had the non-clickable references to my sites removed by a mod when I was on holiday last week...

 

[Casinomeister]

*Bump* So what's happening about this then?

I see some webmasters have been allowed to keep their clickable links (e.g. Polli123 & Bonustreak for example), whereas I had the non-clickable references to my sites removed by a mod when I was on holiday last week...

There is an error in the template that I haven't been able to fix yet. The URLs are "disallowed" but they still appear in some signatures.

So we're working with the "honor" system ...oh, honorable one

 

[maxd]

... I had the non-clickable references to my sites removed by a mod when I was on holiday last week....

[strike]??? Like who, specifically. I certainly don't remember doing such a thing and I'm pretty sure B didn't. Simmo's got better things to do so ... who?

What I'm saying is that one of us singling you out is probably not the explanation here.[/strike]

Never mind, B answered it while I was composing my thoughts.

 

[TOC]

OK, through this entire thread I never understood why webmasters got pissed about their link option being removed because I never posted my site link. Over time and reading the thread I see why many are upset but it's C.M.'s site and he can do what he wants. I think he has told me this in another thread somewhere, when I was ranting about something! I guess the reason I'm posting about this, although I personally don't care but looking at the complaints from people that have been around much longer than me to help bring visitors to the site on a daily basis seem hurt and confused. I see their point, more tonight than ever before. I was reading this post under "Online Casino's" this morning and it hit me like a lead balloon...

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Thanks for your kind words

Rikkerbuddy, information on the loyalty program is available on the site - click through CM's link to find out more.

Simmo - so far so good! It's the constructive comments coming from everyone that makes things better, so keep them coming!

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My point is if tag links and aka- advertising is prohibited then fine it should be for everyone. Why are long term members being rejected when reps are still posting tags? As long as the affiliates on C.M. promote sites approved by C.M. and not Rogue sites and yes I spelled it correctly maxd it should be ok to post tags.. Let me close by saying what's good for the goose is good for the gander!! I personally feel many affiliate sites are as good as several of the I-reps posting here and their tags are welcome, go figure..

 

[jetset]

I believe the Meister has already explained that he wll get around to removing those sigs not already taken down voluntarily under his honour system....when he has the time available to do so.

 

[Casinomeister]

I believe the Meister has already explained that he wll get around to removing those sigs not already taken down voluntarily under his honour system....when he has the time available to do so.

Thanks! Finally getting around to taking care of this issue.

Here's the (new) deal.

The group levels have been re-adjusted:

Registered members - newbies
Fully registered = 50 reps or 100 posts AND 30 days
Senior members = 150 reps or 400 posts AND 365 days
Meister members = 500 reps or 1000 posts AND 365 days.

The BB code for sigs is turned on for Senior members and above.

We also now have two levels of webmaster:

Webby - anyone can join
Webmeister - must be a senior member or above to join - or up to the discretion of the moderators/administrator.

Both webmaster groups have the same permissions. As the webmaster section expands, perhaps there will be special benefits for the meisters

In essence, the sigs are turned on for senior members and above - but the rules are the following: no ad copy, and if links are posted, only the name of the website should be hyperlinked: for example

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

Now if you have a website that has a spammy URL like the-best-freaking-RTG-bonuses.com - well, you can hyperlink this as Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

No ad copy means no ad copy. Non-casino URLs are cool by the way such as

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

are ok.

The bottom line is to be cool and do not exploit the site for your own endeavors. Thanks!