Casumo offering payments via mobile contract bill

Or will Casumo be making exceptions to their own rules and paying to alternative method

They will have to mate.

It says on a few of the sites who offer this deposit method that withdrawals cannot be made this way.

I would make an educated guess that withdrawals will have to be via Bank Transfer, a bit like when players who deposit via Pre pay vouchers such as Paysafe Card.

My other 'concern' with this horrible deposit method is how will/would it work for PAYG mobile users. Will the casino(s) be able to differentiate purely from an 11 digit mobile numer who is on a contract and can be billed and who is on a PAYG only sim.

If it is possible can the casino / payment provider also check if there is enough 'credit' on the PAYG phone as IMO that leads into other avenues in that just how much can they find out / know about our personal details / information etc??
 
My other 'concern' with this horrible deposit method is how will/would it work for PAYG mobile users. Will the casino(s) be able to differentiate purely from an 11 digit mobile numer who is on a contract and can be billed and who is on a PAYG only sim.

If it is possible can the casino / payment provider also check if there is enough 'credit' on the PAYG phone as IMO that leads into other avenues in that just how much can they find out / know about our personal details / information etc??

I'm sure they'll check the credit.
Otherwise there's a scam waiting to happen, lol

You can get PAYG sim cards for free at any of the network's shops, or from most supermarkets for 99p or less.
£30 deposit for 99p anyone??
 
I'm sure they'll check the credit.
Otherwise there's a scam waiting to happen, lol

You can get PAYG sim cards for free at any of the network's shops, or from most supermarkets for 99p or less.
£30 deposit for 99p anyone??

Foiled before I got started lol...

Just checked and although I wouldn't have touched it with a barge pole, the mobile option does not show for me.

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Happy Days! :D
 
I'm sure they'll check the credit.
Otherwise there's a scam waiting to happen, lol

You can get PAYG sim cards for free at any of the network's shops, or from most supermarkets for 99p or less.
£30 deposit for 99p anyone??

It won't work. I tried to download an Android weather app with more than enough PAYG credit, but it didn't go through because this service was not available for my SIM, so there is clearly a way for this level of differentiation. It's probably the phone service provider, a bit like the system with cards where the first transaction is to request an authorisation for the amount being claimed, and if the bank does not authorise, it won't go through. After all, if a PAYG SIM goes into debit, it's going to be impossible to enforce payment.
 
No doubt Casumo will say it's for their customers' convenience.
But if someone is so short of a £30 deposit and so desperate to play, that they have to resort to taking credit against their phone bill. Then they really shouldn't be gambling.
So as far as I'm concerned, the casino is just being irresponsible and taking advantage of 'vulnerable' players.

They're not bothered about where a deposit is coming from, as long as the money is coming in.

The other problem i can foresee, is what happens to withdrawals?
I know from experience that Casumo have always insisted that any withdrawals I've ever made there, have always had to be taken by the same method, as the deposit was made.

So if someone makes a £30 deposit via their phone bill and wins £1000. Will they end up being £1000 in credit with their phone provider?
Or will Casumo be making exceptions to their own rules and paying to alternative method

Unless it's Neteller that is, and then with many casinos you are instantly classed as a second rate "potential scumbag" who would probably abuse the hell out of any bonus or promotion you might get, so are blanket excluded from pretty much everything.

Casinos don't need these new methods, they need to stop shunning the old methods, working with the service provider to sort out the problems.

This new method can also bypass card issuers restrictions, as although I can't make gambling deposits with nearly all my cards, it's either "high risk" and the bank blanket blocks them, or they charge a 2.5% "processing fee", however, it's possible to pay a phone bill by the same card, and it's treated as a regular purchase, no fees, and no indication that it ended up in a casino, rather than on apps, texts, and chat.
 
Videoslots offer this as well.

The maximum deposit is NOK 120 (€13), the fee is NOK 80 (€9) (!)

They also have an invoice option which I actually looked into a while back.
You are limited to taking out one deposit or loan which has to paid back before depositing again using the same method.'
I think the maximum deposit is around €100.
The fee was quite reasonable. What stopped me though was not being able to pay back using your balance.
You would have to wait for the invoice then there's several days of processing before your payment being registered.
No withdrawals allowed the mean time.

Freddy
 
Videoslots offer this as well.

The maximum deposit is NOK 120 (€13), the fee is NOK 80 (€9) (!)

They also have an invoice option which I actually looked into a while back.
You are limited to taking out one deposit or loan which has to paid back before depositing again using the same method.'
I think the maximum deposit is around €100.
The fee was quite reasonable. What stopped me though was not being able to pay back using your balance.
You would have to wait for the invoice then there's several days of processing before your payment being registered.
No withdrawals allowed the mean time.

Freddy


It just gets worse. I am genuinely shocked.

I feel like the casumo rep will be scrolling past this thread.. this is nothing more than giving people with no available money, the chance to play.

There will be so many players getting their phones cut off and credit rating destroyed due to not being able to afford the bill when it comes in.

Why should Casumo care?

If i was Byan they would be straight in the rogue pit for giving people an easy chance to ruin their future.

(Edit) not just casumo but any casino offering this method. Just very shocked to see casumo employ it as i rated them highly
 
It just gets worse. I am genuinely shocked.

I feel like the casumo rep will be scrolling past this thread.. this is nothing more than giving people with no available money, the chance to play.

There will be so many players getting their phones cut off and credit rating destroyed due to not being able to afford the bill when it comes in.

Why should Casumo care?

If i was Byan they would be straight in the rogue pit for giving people an easy chance to ruin their future.

(Edit) not just casumo but any casino offering this method. Just very shocked to see casumo employ it as i rated them highly

I agree in that any casino offering this payment option should become unaccredited or even rogued. Fast payments, friendly chat and good game selection is irrelevant when compared to what is essentially the polar opposite of Responsible Gambling.
 
Thank you all for your feedback. BOKU is a highly-requested payment method that adds additional diversity to our payment product. That being said, we understand your concerns and are investigating limiting this method even further on our side.
 
Never heard of this highly requested BOKU and I speak about gambling with other gamblers 7 days a week for maybe 3-12 hrs a day. Sounds like a good way to destroy someone with no credit, anyone can get a mobile contract, and I mean ANYONE!

You'll get those that take out contracts purely to use for gambling, the James Pethericks of society, not good at all :confused:
 
Thank you all for your feedback. BOKU is a highly-requested payment method that adds additional diversity to our payment product. That being said, we understand your concerns and are investigating limiting this method even further on our side.

You should investigate WHY some people are asking for this method? If it's because they want to play now, but are currently broke, then this would be a dangerous request to agree to implement. Credit cards are also a big problem because again people are borrowing money to play, and may not be able to repay the card company.
 
You should investigate WHY some people are asking for this method? If it's because they want to play now, but are currently broke, then this would be a dangerous request to agree to implement. Credit cards are also a big problem because again people are borrowing money to play, and may not be able to repay the card company.

Although, at least with credit cards, only a (minimum) payment towards the balance is due at the end of the month.
Where as with a mobile bill, the whole balance is due.

It's also perfect for identity thieves.
It's so easy to get a mobile contract, much easier than a credit card.
 
I agree mobile phones are becoming big in society now days, But also with that people have apps connected to the blowers and takes a few clicks for a deposit, without the use for mobile payments

Why on earth has a mobile payment been bought in is beyond me, I suppose its a cheaper alternative to some sites payment methods an charges that come with them, But I can see this becoming a disaster,

At the minute sites are worried about charge backs, Well they have seen nothing yet if this phone option comes in to effect for sites,


Stolen mobile phones, people taking out contracts just to gamble, people claiming they did not deposit, Maybe any one that does choose this method must be fully bonafide before hand,
 
there was a big scam about 10 or so years ago with mobile payments. A bookie opened up that only took £3 bets by text, and you collected your winnings at a post office. There was a £30 limit you could bet per day.
People made a lot of money by taking out sim only contracts on, mainly Sony Mobile, not paying them but running up bills of £200+
 
Although, at least with credit cards, only a (minimum) payment towards the balance is due at the end of the month.
Where as with a mobile bill, the whole balance is due.

It's also perfect for identity thieves.
It's so easy to get a mobile contract, much easier than a credit card.

Credit cards are just delayed grief, but eventually all that money has to be paid back, and the crunch comes when you can't even afford the minimum payments. Although the whole balance is due on a mobile contract, if you can't afford to pay it you are merely in breach of contract, and the phone company can pursue you for the money, but due to the problems of fraud on stolen phones, there is plenty of wriggle room by challenging the bill. I don't think this can ever end in a chargeback for the casino though, the mobile provider is stuck with the bad debt. The difference with credit cards is that if someone can't pay, they might be able to wriggle out of it by also claiming they were the victim of fraud, but in this case it WILL result in a chargeback for the casino.

Both phones and credit cards are easily stolen because people necessarily carry them around with them all day, however cards are better secured because it is mandatory for the chip & PIN system to be used, whereas with a stolen phone it depends on how the user has configured it, and for convenience many apps tend to do away with multiple authorisation steps in favour of "one click" easy payment. Contactless has the same issue, it too has a £30 limit, but a stolen one can be used to make several £30 transactions simply by having physical possession of the card, even without knowing any of the security details. If the automated systems block the payment, it's easy to bluff your way out of the situation by cursing your "over zealous bank/phone provider" and offering another payment method, and then dumping the phone/card at the next opportunity because it's now "dead" having been flagged.
 
Thank you all for your feedback. BOKU is a highly-requested payment method that adds additional diversity to our payment product. That being said, we understand your concerns and are investigating limiting this method even further on our side.

I would suggest it's popular because it substitutes for a credit card or debit card so people can gamble on tick if they have no/maxed credit cards or nothing in the bank account attached to their debit card. Plus it's easier to bypass 18 yrs. rule with a phone. I'm with Goat and the rest here - it doesn't seem a responsible method of deposit at all. In fact the more I consider it, the more it stinks. :(
 
I don't think there will much one can do about. All the big guns such as Google and Apple are pushing for mobile payments and they have the cloud to achieve it. Be it that you have to charge your mobile purse first or it gets added to your monthly bill, it doesn't make much difference.

There will be fraud with any form of payment, the question is only how good the detection systems from the providers/merchants will be.
 
I don't think there will much one can do about. All the big guns such as Google and Apple are pushing for mobile payments and they have the cloud to achieve it. Be it that you have to charge your mobile purse first or it gets added to your monthly bill, it doesn't make much difference.

There will be fraud with any form of payment, the question is only how good the detection systems from the providers/merchants will be.

The difference is that Apple pay and Android pay simply use the phone in place of a debit or credit card. A card is registered on the phone then used with contactless card terminals. The funds still need to be in your bank account and available, or within your credit card's limit.

where as, with this method, you don't need to have the cash available. Each deposit is just added to your phone bill. which doesn't need to be payed until the end of the month. But paid in full, rather than a minimum payment like a credit card.

So at £30 a day over a month, your phone bill will increase from, say £50 to £900.
 
If you had to load credit onto phonepay up front, I would not see a problem as it would be money you already have being used, rather like a gift card. The problem is that where it's added to your monthly bill, you can get carried away and then be taken by surprise at the end of the month. We already had the data roaming scandal where people ran up 4 figure, even 5 figure, bills when abroad, and had no indication this was happening till they got the bill. There wasn't even a "credit limit" as there is with credit cards, which is how people managed to run up these huge sums. Where there was an option to set limits, it was woefully inadequate and some people who had set limits found they were ignored. Whilst the EU shut this down in the end, we could be looking at a new scandal with the rapid expansion of payments from your bill, unless of course the phone providers get their act together and implement "hard limits" on contracts by default, and if someone wants a higher limit, they should be assessed in the same way they would be for an increase in their credit limit on a card.
 
As deposits from various sites via this method can be achieved rather easily, these 'loans' are going to just accumulate into hundreds of pounds, without so much as a safeguard and no single casino willing to accept sole responsibility for encouraging it.

Far better then for the customer's phone company to place a limit on what amounts are allowed via these means, capped at say no more than £50 a month. Otherwise, if just left to the player's own choices or casinos' discretion this 'payment method' will only end one way for many - regret, debt, and the inevitable visit from a collection agency amongst other things.
 
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The 2K I referred to in an earlier post in this thread (run up with Vodafone by a close friend of mine) was achieved in just one month! (this was about 5 years ago and he is still paying it off now!)

This is the main reason (among others) regardless of safe-guard, whether a player is in control or not that I think this deposit method is evil, deadly, irresponsible, rogue, predatory etc etc etc etc.

Nothing personal to any casino adding this deposit method from Satan but your business will still thrive without it. I also strongly feel that 99/100 it will be viewed negatively across forums and gambling sites.
 
Fully agree with everyone here.

Reality is the casinos wont remove the option but there needs to be limits in place on the phone providers end - as someone suggested - credit checks and payment historys to determine how much you can run up without getting in to trouble, exactly how credit cards are issued and limits set.

I suspect this is already in place anyway?

I think casumo would be very responsible to keep the daily limit of £30 but have a monthly limit of say £150.
 
This is really bad for a casino to add this as a payment option, I used Boku when i used to play a game on facebook and i played everyday i would say i was addicted to it, when i got my mobile bill i had run up a bill of a few hundred pounds and that was just from playing a game nothing to do with gambling.
 

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