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Casumo offering payments via mobile contract bill

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by CraiGDaniel, Oct 7, 2016.

    Oct 7, 2016
  1. CraiGDaniel

    CraiGDaniel Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Nightclub Bouncer
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Just seen casumo are now letting players deposit via boku.com which charges your mobile phone contract.

    From what i can see they only support O2 in the UK atm for payment.

    I feel this is very dangerous for players and should never be allowed by any responsible operator.

    What are thoughts?
     
  2. Oct 7, 2016
  3. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    I did a HUGE post on this a few months back.

    Agreed it is a DEADLY option and throws Responsible Gambling out of the window, would love to hear the UKGC's thought's on this one.

    I have a friend who a few years back ran up 2K worth of debt with Vodafone via this method (different casino) - I also fell party to the mobile bill deposit 'trap' after a few beers the once and ran up an extra £200 on my bill (never again and was a one off! - Also a very long time back)

    Its just TOO easy, at least if Bank is empty or Skrill accounts etc or you have to physically go and buy a pre-pay voucher, then there is some form of effort/motivation required and a degree of control.

    With simply being able to say 'Yeah, give £50 to blow and stick it on my mobile bill' its so, so dangerous, more so for those who sit on the edge of 'Am I actually in control or not'

    Surprising read for a casino with the good stature Casumo has, previous experience dictates that this sort of deposit method was usually found at 'lesser established' brands (for want of a better phrase)
     
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  4. Oct 7, 2016
  5. Tengil

    Tengil Senior Member

    Occupation:
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    Finland
    Well basically all casinos offer credit card deposits. No big difference as both allows you to gamble on debt.
     
  6. Oct 7, 2016
  7. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

    Occupation:
    Turns Tricks
    Location:
    Londonia
    Terrible idea and totally unethical. Just because they can, doesn't mean they have to. It's only going to end in one way and that's to get gamblers into more debt.

    And what better way than to just stick it on the phone bill!:confused:

    Just another means of credit, and that is like mana from heaven to gamblers. Easy to attain, very hard to pay off no doubt. The only sure way of controlling this 'method' is to cap it at something small, say max £20. Anything else is just baiting and irresponsible.

    Give it another couple of years and companies will devise ways to sub people part of their wages, each with their own BACS code. "Sorry honey, I thought I had £2000 this month, but the casino took £500 of that because I got carried away on Starburst!" :eek:
     
  8. Oct 7, 2016
  9. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    This is the problem, both methods let you gamble away money you don't have. The casino gets paid, but it's the credit card company or the mobile company that is taking the risk of handing over the money and then being stuck with a bad debt because the subscriber has gone "on tilt" and can't pay the bill at the end of the month.

    There have already been a number of high profile cases where people have run up ridiculous and unpayable phone bills due to roaming and in-app purchases. They haven't necessarily lost their own money either, because if they genuinely can't pay, the mobile phone provider is saddled with an unrecoverable debt.

    Another big issue with contract phones is that they are easy to steal, and the thief is being presented with an opportunity to make actual hard cash rather than silly in-app virtual goods by using the stolen phone to deposit into a casino where they may well have hatched a scheme to move that money to another player account via some kind of "head to head" play, similar to "chip dumping" in poker.
     
  10. Oct 7, 2016
  11. CraiGDaniel

    CraiGDaniel Senior Member

    Occupation:
    Nightclub Bouncer
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    I'm not shocked about the method but more so that Casumo are offering it.

    I have always considered this a way of preying on people who cannot afford it and who are on tilt.

    Put in your phone number and have £200 loaded up, worry about it next month.

    I cannot obtain a credit card due to my credit score, but i can get a phone contract.

    Not ethical. Not expected from a place like Casumo.
     
  12. Oct 7, 2016
  13. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    ;Like Jm stated there has already ben a thread or two about this,

    I put my feelings across than, Its a dander game, OK its convince at best, So much for responsible gaming, I do not agree with this and advise nobody to use this method, its worse than a credit card, as it will come back to you, only thing thing is, courts will not allow a high court rit for this behaviour, but you will get a bad credit rating
     
  14. Oct 7, 2016
  15. Harry_BKK

    Harry_BKK Senior Member CAG mm1

    Occupation:
    job is OK
    Location:
    Balcony
    It is very common for UK casinos to offer this.

    Take the Progress Play Group with some 20 or so skins. The max. deposit/day is capped at £30, hence not really that dangerous.

    And if you think it is, then set a max. limit / month with your phone provider, no problem.

    Other deposit methods are far more 'dangerous' for the 'weak', e.g. credit cards which usually have a few K limit. Max it out and then try to repay the debt on minimum monthly payments. It never clears as the interest is so high. I remember when i lived in the UK the range was up to 30% interest on credit card debt, now that is outrageous, despicable and totally unethical. :mad: :rolleyes:

    Casumo offering payments via mobile contract bill: Capture 738.jpg,Oct 7, 2016
     
  16. Oct 7, 2016
  17. spoton

    spoton Senior Member webmeister

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Right behind you
    Can they differentiate credit card deposits from debit card deposit? At least here both MC and Visa offer both debit cards and credit cards. However if they can differentiate the cards, it's no better than offering pay-by-phone and it should IMO not be allowed.
     
  18. Oct 7, 2016
  19. sapit222

    sapit222 Senior Member MM PABaccred

    Occupation:
    Student
    Location:
    Sweden
    Its very bad of Casumo to offer such a method! :axeman:

    I got in dept a long time ago couse of too easy to get credit.
     
  20. Oct 7, 2016
  21. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

    Occupation:
    Web Dev.
    Location:
    England
    I've always thought it odd that gambling regulations don't cover "borrowing" money (ie: credit cards) to gamble. Surely a sensibly thought-out regime would put controls in place to ensure the gambler has the funds he/she is gambling with?
     
  22. Oct 7, 2016
  23. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

    Occupation:
    International Money Launderer
    Location:
    the bus shelter, opposite GCHQ Benhall
    They've got a new one soon, direct from BA (The UK Benefits Agency). Sign-up for the 'BA Direct' scheme and you can get up to 90% of the next month's benefits due to gamble with. The limit on pensioners though is 50% for some reason.

    The plan for 'Workplace Wagers' payment system is nearly complete, if you sign up to it up to 75% of your wages due can be paid direct to the casino from your employer, a guaranteed bonus each time!

    I'm note sure though about the third scheme I heard about; it's a little far-fetched to me. The 'Casino Pawn' group have bought out Cash Converters and players can deposit their TV's and phones and jewellery in their stores for up to 50% of their value in casino credits. Laptops and PC's/tablets won't be accepted though funnily enough. If they win they can cash out all the balance or 'Redeem Pawned Item(s)' from their list in the casino interface and cash-out the difference, the items being ready for them collect without fee the next working day.
     
  24. Oct 7, 2016
  25. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    :lolup::lolup:

    Helped me over tonight's disaster of a deposit, cheers :thumbsup:
     
  26. Oct 7, 2016
  27. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

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    Turns Tricks
    Location:
    Londonia
    An added BA Direct perk is that you can, in fact, get the whole 100% redeemed if you can prove that any member of your family watches Jeremy Kyle, and for free spin offers, Big Brother :eek::(
     
  28. Oct 7, 2016
  29. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    Not surprised at casinos starting to push this option. £30 daily limit, small as it may be, builds up quickly if you do it daily. Even weekly is £120 on top of your usual phone bill which averages £46 a month in the UK.
     
  30. Oct 7, 2016
  31. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    I hear certain SUB's include a delivery to your door of a very special parcel too....

    - A bar of soap
    - A Can of Lynx 'Africa'
    - A Tracksuit which is a couple of sizes too small
    - A Bag of Skunk
    - 4 Stella
    - A years Sky TV subscription

    Now I'm scratching my head, 'Benefit Street' worked well, anyone wanna go halves on setting up 'Dole Dossers Casino', might work :what::what:
     
  32. Oct 7, 2016
  33. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

    Occupation:
    Turns Tricks
    Location:
    Londonia
    Good idea. As a special welcome bonus, all single mums with three kids or more will get 100 Starburst spins per kid, with an additional 50 spins if they're by different fathers.

    We won't actually pay these people though, should they dare to attempt a withdrawal. Far better, for them and society as a whole, to just remove their ASBOs as a 'cashout'. Same difference :eek::eek2:
     
  34. Oct 7, 2016
  35. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

    Occupation:
    Self- Employeed
    Location:
    Wolverhampton
    My efforts are weak in comparison, hilarious :lolup::notworthy
     
  36. Oct 8, 2016
  37. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    You have to look at the bigger picture, I have also seen alot of casino offer this including the them nektan sites an an old fave spingenie, Yes there is caps but alot of people have mort than one contract, I have 2, One for me and one for my mum, So if it is 30 max depo than that is soon doubled too 60 with two phones,

    Do you really think they will limit the deposit to the only number stored in your account? I doubt it

    Trust you to think of this shit :)

    Ohhh, your wrote the T&C for them
     
  38. Oct 8, 2016
  39. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

    Occupation:
    gambler :)
    Location:
    Northants
    Yes it builds up, And like I just said, befire i see theses last posts, How I missed them I do not know, BUT you can have more than 1 phone, I have 2 on my contract, One for me and another for my mum, I can get up to 6 I think, x£30 6 times a day for a month

    There was a thread a while back and someone got stung by phone bill,I be fucked to find it but its on here somewhere
     

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