Suggestion Casinomeister to take over Ecogra role

[SirWegs]

Hi,

I think Casinomeister should do an own auditor firm to check casinos payout ratios. It feel so wrong that Ecogra does it which is owned by Microgaming?

 

[Casinomeister]

Hi,

I think Casinomeister should do an own auditor firm to check casinos payout ratios. It feel so wrong that Ecogra does it which is owned by Microgaming?

MGS has never owned eCOGRA. They do a great job as it is. Why make false accusations?

 

[ilovejesus]

From Wikipedia

eCOGRA is entirely self-funded from its compliance

 

[SirWegs]

They are one of the founders of Ecogra, I assume they are an owner as well then, maybe Im wrong?

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"Microgaming provides the software for the world's largest Progressive Jackpot Network, which has paid out over €375 million in total. Its software also created the world's first online slot tournament millionaire and one of the largest online jackpot wins in history, at a staggering €6.37m. As a founding member of eCOGRA and IGC, Microgaming is at the forefront of initiatives that set the highest standards in the gaming industry, notably in the areas of fair gaming, responsible operator conduct and player protection."

 

[SirWegs]

They are one of the founders of Ecogra, I assume they are an owner as well then, maybe Im wrong?

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"Microgaming provides the software for the world's largest Progressive Jackpot Network, which has paid out over €375 million in total. Its software also created the world's first online slot tournament millionaire and one of the largest online jackpot wins in history, at a staggering €6.37m. As a founding member of eCOGRA and IGC, Microgaming is at the forefront of initiatives that set the highest standards in the gaming industry, notably in the areas of fair gaming, responsible operator conduct and player protection."

I think its very unethical that a founding member of an independent audit firm, audit their own casino payout ratio.

 

[Casinomeister]

They are one of the founders of Ecogra, I assume they are an owner as well then, maybe Im wrong?

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"Microgaming provides the software for the world's largest Progressive Jackpot Network, which has paid out over €375 million in total. Its software also created the world's first online slot tournament millionaire and one of the largest online jackpot wins in history, at a staggering €6.37m. As a founding member of eCOGRA and IGC, Microgaming is at the forefront of initiatives that set the highest standards in the gaming industry, notably in the areas of fair gaming, responsible operator conduct and player protection."

That's ancient history - relatively speaking. They helped initiate the auditing service (along with 888.com), and got it on its feet. This has nothing to do with ownership.

eCOGRA has a history of being an effective and fair auditor and player advocate. They've had nearly a decade to prove their worth.

 

[SirWegs]

That's ancient history - relatively speaking. They helped initiate the auditing service (along with 888.com), and got it on its feet. This has nothing to do with ownership.

eCOGRA has a history of being an effective and fair auditor and player advocate. They've had nearly a decade to prove their worth.

My bad then.

 

[jetset]

A couple of years ago there was also a management buy-out at eCOGRA, finally severing all "founder" ties.

 

[colly]

And even so- I suspect Brian wouldn't hasn't the "spare time"! not to mention perhaps a conflict of interest with the PAB system

 

[Casinomeister]

When did Brian take over the PAB section?

Jetset, is there something you're not telling me?

 

[vinylweatherman]

When did Brian take over the PAB section?

Jetset, is there something you're not telling me?

I didn't. Max runs it now, and before Max, Bryan used to run it


Regards,

Brian.

"founder" members do not necessarily "own" an entity. If anything, founders tend to take the role of a figurehead, much like the patron of a charitable group, which is usually a minor royal or respected celebrity.

The management buyout at eCogra should have settled concerns that the founder members had too much influence. eCogra has added further services that generate independent income streams, further reducing any relianace on contributions from software suppliers and big operators.

Even if they haven't got there yet, they are headed in the right direction.

The real problem lies with the regulators. eCogra membership, and thus compliance with it's standards, is voluntary. If a casino is regulated in a given jurisdiction, compliance with standards is compulsory, so the real player enemy is jurisdictions that are biased in favour of their paymasters, the casinos whom they license.

 

[Casinomeister]

Too many Brians.

 

[Simmo!]

Too many Brians.

I'm up for a cull if anyones organising

 

[Nate]

I'm up for a cull if anyones organising

While you're at it, I know of a few people named Simon ...

Nate

 

[Simmo!]

While you're at it, I know of a few people named Simon ...

Nate

Oh yeah! Some of them just ask for it with a name like that. That Cowell geezer...urgh!

 

[Casinomeister]

There seems to be too many Ians as well

 

[Christoff]

All the fleeces keep going missing

 

[Pinababy69]

There seems to be too many Ians as well

And blue muppets.

 

[badbeat]

Waste of time

eCOGRA along with any licensing authority bring nothing that adds to player security. As someone highlighted if you have an organisation monitoring someone who is paying them to regulate the chances of the little guy getting any satisfactory outcome is very remote.

In the past 2 weeks I have emailed the licensing authority in Malta 10 times and not had one response, eCOGRA have responded however they say they are not interested and I should contact Malta, when I contact the casino they say I should contact eCOGRA and so the merry go around continues.

These are stamps of approval from people who are just out to make money, they really have no interest in protecting anyone but their income.

 

[grilll]

ecogra ... from the bookies, by the bookies, for the bookies.

fair gambling my asss

i even bet tex received money back in some cases and pocketed it himself.

 

[vinylweatherman]

ecogra ... from the bookies, by the bookies, for the bookies.

fair gambling my asss

i even bet tex received money back in some cases and pocketed it himself.

SHE would find that very difficult, as the first few bribes would first have to be spent on a gender reassignment operation

eCogra were the subject of a management buyout some years ago, and this removed the conflict of interests that hampered it's ability to portray itself as an independent verification and arbitration service.

The REAL problem is the number of offshore regulators that operators are able to influence in order to get their own way, often in small countries where said operators are responsible for a major portion of the economy, and thus able to "blackmail" the politicians into not poking their regulatory noses in to matters that these operators feel they shouldn't.

By achieving independence through a management buyout, it is no longer even possible for the founders, such as Microgaming, to influence eCogra through the levels of funding on offer. It was the earlier dependency of eCogra on funding from the major software suppliers and operators that fuelled the speculation and rumour that their decisions were routinely being influenced such that these founding members would always be shown in a good light by eCogra.

The eGap document shows the standards expected of an operator that wants to be awarded the "Safe and fair" seal, so this is where to start if wanting to make a case for any operator not meeting these standards, yet still displaying the seal, perhaps having fooled eCogra into keeping it.

 

[grilll]

meh, bedtime stories for the kids.

i know for a fact that certain sports bookmaker and Skrill broke a law. i filed a complaint with ecogra and after 6 months of back and forth, SHE tells me the evidence bookie provided are enough, which i know for a fact that don't prove anything and especially do not prove i broke ANY law or ANY term of theirs. she also said she will not disclose anything anymore for SECURITY reasons. really? security?

case closed, i can only get a buttplug since no one is answering any emails anymore, not tex, not LGA, not bookie.

What court do I file a lawsuit at?

 

[vinylweatherman]

meh, bedtime stories for the kids.

i know for a fact that certain sports bookmaker and Skrill broke a law. i filed a complaint with ecogra and after 6 months of back and forth, SHE tells me the evidence bookie provided are enough, which i know for a fact that don't prove anything and especially do not prove i broke ANY law or ANY term of theirs. she also said she will not disclose anything anymore for SECURITY reasons. really? security?

case closed, i can only get a buttplug since no one is answering any emails anymore, not tex, not LGA, not bookie.

What court do I file a lawsuit at?

One in Malta.

If you want to take action against Skrill though, it's a court in England. The Financial Conduct Authority may be able to help as Skrill is authorised as "a small eMoney issuer".

If you don't feel that you are prepared to ask Max to consider a PAB over this issue, you are free to name the bookie involved, and your side of the story. Here, a different attitude is taken to "spirit of the bonus" issues, which is often the cause of such disputes.

 

[grilll]

I have filed a PAB.

I believe Skrill is ready for a class action lawsuit. I believe there are hundreds of people affected by the same break of law as in my case.

As for the bookie, we'll see.... I don't believe in fair trial and investigation on Malta against one of their core business holders but it might be the only way to get them to explain why they did what they did and what did they base this action on.

thanks for info

as for the bonus, yea i did take advantage of a bonus and I was just about to complete the wagering, but I don't see how this is relevant.

 

[Casinomeister]

Please do not post comments that are trollish in nature (infraction given). Tex is an upstanding individual, and has been instrumental in assisting a huge number of players who have had issues with their certified casinos.

Tex is a she - and a very nice person btw.