Casino Plex not paying my big win out

I don't know if this term was recently added to CasinoPlex's terms. But its in black and white now: ◾Casino Plex customers requesting a withdrawal or a transfer out of their Casino Plex account, prior to the necessary wagering requirement being met, will forfeit all bonuses and winnings attributed to their account.

Completely predatory term that should be grounds for immediate blacklisting. The casino protects itself from no fraud or abuse through the use of this term. It's a cash-grab. Period.

I swear to God that some people on this board would be totally fine with a term stating "Players with a first name starting with an "S" will have their winnings and deposit confiscated upon their first withdrawal."

Hey, it's in the terms, right? Personal responsibility ... blah blah blah
 
Completely predatory term that should be grounds for immediate blacklisting. The casino protects itself from no fraud or abuse through the use of this term. It's a cash-grab. Period.

I swear to God that some people on this board would be totally fine with a term stating "Players with a first name starting with an "S" will have their winnings and deposit confiscated upon their first withdrawal."

Hey, it's in the terms, right? Personal responsibility ... blah blah blah

Any withdrawals requested on Tuesdays will be Immediately confiscated.

If you try to withdraw on an odd numbered day we will take your money. lol

These casinos get more creative every day. Dont they realize how much more money they would make if they paid people quickly, and gave good service, the faster your paid the faster you deposit.
 
I cant believe how anyone could side with the casino on this matter.
This is equivalent to casino having button in the cashier that reads "push here"
and you lose all your balance if you push it.

The only reason the casino has this term to confiscate winnings if withdraw is intitiated prior meeting wagering,
is in order to make more money out of the careless people.
The casino would not lose anything if they just removed the term. its win-win for them.

I would say the term has been "involuntarily broken through deception".

The player was given information that indicated the WR had been completed when they visited the banking section, so as far as they were concerned, they would not be in breach of this term. Having read the term or not would have made no difference at all, it appeared as though there were no outstanding WR to trigger it and any related terms in any case.

The way Playtech software offers you a bonus just after a deposit where an offer was not expected also leads the player to just click "accept" and make general assumptions that "standard" bonus terms will apply. This method of presenting an offer deprives a player of seeing the offer prior to a deposit and taking the time to think about it, perhaps (hopefully) checking for any unexpected deviations from "standard bonus terms", and then depositing with prior intention to select "accept" or "decline" when the offer screen appears. From my experience, you are forced into making the decision there and then, you cannot log out to think about it and check the terms because you are then assumed to have declined the offer. You can't trust live chat either, as if they get involved, they will tell you what it takes to get that deposit right then, not the full picture of what you are about to accept.

Avoiding all this hassle is easy, avoid Playtech.

Hopefully, Playtech will get the message and clean up their act, particularly the white labels, and ensure that players have a means to INDEPENDENTLY and ACCURATELY verify that they have met the terms of an offer that does not involve relying on outsourced front line CS giving the correct answer, or the operator standing by the given answer if it proves to be incorrect.

The worst aspect of all is the blatant theft of progressive payouts by rogue operators who pocket the money having used vague reasons to confiscate the payout from the player, instead of at least returning the voided payout to the pool so that it can be won legitimately. Playtech are in a position to prevent this, but choose to look the other way instead.
 
I would say the term has been "involuntarily broken through deception".

The player was given information that indicated the WR had been completed when they visited the banking section, so as far as they were concerned, they would not be in breach of this term. Having read the term or not would have made no difference at all, it appeared as though there were no outstanding WR to trigger it and any related terms in any case.

The way Playtech software offers you a bonus just after a deposit where an offer was not expected also leads the player to just click "accept" and make general assumptions that "standard" bonus terms will apply. This method of presenting an offer deprives a player of seeing the offer prior to a deposit and taking the time to think about it, perhaps (hopefully) checking for any unexpected deviations from "standard bonus terms", and then depositing with prior intention to select "accept" or "decline" when the offer screen appears. From my experience, you are forced into making the decision there and then, you cannot log out to think about it and check the terms because you are then assumed to have declined the offer. You can't trust live chat either, as if they get involved, they will tell you what it takes to get that deposit right then, not the full picture of what you are about to accept.

Avoiding all this hassle is easy, avoid Playtech.

Hopefully, Playtech will get the message and clean up their act, particularly the white labels, and ensure that players have a means to INDEPENDENTLY and ACCURATELY verify that they have met the terms of an offer that does not involve relying on outsourced front line CS giving the correct answer, or the operator standing by the given answer if it proves to be incorrect.

The worst aspect of all is the blatant theft of progressive payouts by rogue operators who pocket the money having used vague reasons to confiscate the payout from the player, instead of at least returning the voided payout to the pool so that it can be won legitimately. Playtech are in a position to prevent this, but choose to look the other way instead.

I fully agree (again) VMW. Is it worthwile submitting a PAB? It's a disgrace that the OP does not at least receives his deposit back. Although I would rather see that he gets all back and continues playing to meet the WR.

I avoid Playtech like the plague having read too many unfortunate experiences...
 
FTR and for the benefit of those who can't read too well,:

1. I did NOT say that I agreed with that term. I don't like it at all, in fact. Its bordering on rogue in some ways.


2. I DID say that the term was THERE and that the OP AGREED to it.

3. If players don't WANT to be subject to such awful terms then they should READ them first and choose NOT to play. Its not obligatory to deposit, take a bonus, and then play.

4. Before Playtech bonuses are credited a popup appears with "accept" and "decline" WITH a link to the terms....so TWO opportunities exist to read and reject bad bonus terms. The OP took neither.

5. The "S" in the name term so meaningfully put forward by inspin, if it was enshrined in the terms and was agreed to by the player, would be enforceable IMO. Both parties agreed. The term itself is rogue and the casino should be rogued, BUT that is a totally seperate argument.

6. I would support the casino being "not recommended". I would not support the player being paid etc. If people can't see the distinction between the two issues, then they aren't thinking clearly. Call for the casinos head....sure.....but there are two different issues in play, and the player is responsible for the outcome of one of them.

VWM

The casino didn't force the OP to break the terms. You're applying that requirement incorrectly. The player placed HIMSELF in that position by not READING the terms in the first place. Only if the term was invented afterwards and retroactively applied would your assertions be accurate.

What's with the progressive nonsense? He didn't even play one. Honestly....youre going off on a totally irrelevant rant there (anti casino of course...who knew?)




Mouche.....you're not reading properly, and just taking a "poor player" stance as usual (understandable given your history of troubles with casinos I guess). All his deposits were refunded.
 
I fully agree (again) VMW. Is it worthwile submitting a PAB? It's a disgrace that the OP does not at least receives his deposit back. Although I would rather see that he gets all back and continues playing to meet the WR.

I avoid Playtech like the plague having read too many unfortunate experiences...

The OP (I believe) was offered back the deposits, but this hardly mitigates the situation.

If I did the same at Fortune Lounge, my balance would be returned to my account and I would be told further wagering was required. In any case, the cashier would give me the CORRECT information about the current status of my obligations, and it would show that there was unfinished WR, and that I would not receive the whole balance should I insist on going ahead with the withdrawal at that stage. In many cases, where early withdrawal with loss of bonus was not allowed, the cashier would block any attempts to withdraw at this point, and the balance would not leave the casino.

The same is true of RTG where coupon bonuses are used, the balance is shown as quarantined, and withdrawable balance shows as zero.

This situation would simply not arise in many other casinos, but arises all too easily with Playtech software, along with a few other brands at the dodgy end of the market. One could easily play for 8 years and never have encountered this before, having always found the software to offer correct guidance at the point of entry to the cashier.

One reason I like Microgaming is that nearly all use Clearplay, and as such it is virtually impossible to be fooled by having the software misrepresent the current WR, as there are at least two places where it is shown, and in most cases the easy way to check is to hover the mouse over the credit display in the lobby and check the bonus balance, which if shown as 0.00 indicates no WR to be outstanding.
 
FTR and for the benefit of those who can't read too well,:

1. I did NOT say that I agreed with that term. I don't like it at all, in fact. Its bordering on rogue in some ways.


2. I DID say that the term was THERE and that the OP AGREED to it.

3. If players don't WANT to be subject to such awful terms then they should READ them first and choose NOT to play. Its not obligatory to deposit, take a bonus, and then play.

4. Before Playtech bonuses are credited a popup appears with "accept" and "decline" WITH a link to the terms....so TWO opportunities exist to read and reject bad bonus terms. The OP took neither.

5. The "S" in the name term so meaningfully put forward by inspin, if it was enshrined in the terms and was agreed to by the player, would be enforceable IMO. Both parties agreed. The term itself is rogue and the casino should be rogued, BUT that is a totally seperate argument.

6. I would support the casino being "not recommended". I would not support the player being paid etc. If people can't see the distinction between the two issues, then they aren't thinking clearly. Call for the casinos head....sure.....but there are two different issues in play, and the player is responsible for the outcome of one of them.

I like the law-and-order approach outlined here.

If everyone took the time to read and understand the T&C's and then avoided the establishments with dodgy, predatory, or vague terms those establishments would soon disappear.

By playing at any of these places with your own money you are only encouraging them to continue.
 
I like the law-and-order approach outlined here.

If everyone took the time to read and understand the T&C's and then avoided the establishments with dodgy, predatory, or vague terms those establishments would soon disappear.

By playing at any of these places with your own money you are only encouraging them to continue.

Unfortunately, they don't disappear, they evolve. Where players read and abide by the terms, they just find something else to use, and here we have "spirit of the bonus" that covers situations where all the terms have been adhered to, but the casino still doesn't want to pay.

In this case, the term is not the real issue, the issue is that the software mislead the player into withdrawing by erroneously displaying information indicating that WR had been completed. Reading the terms does not help in this kind of situation. It is also not obvious what the intent of such a term is until it is too late, so also too late to avoid the establishment.

The best that can be done is to ensure that such actions receive maximum publicity so that players who have not fallen into the same trap can know what to expect.

What players can know from this is that the software gives the wrong information about the state of WR, and cannot be trusted. We also know that in general terms front line CS also cannot be trusted to give the correct information, so any answer has to be in writing, not purely over the phone or live chat. Even then, not all operators will stand by incorrect information given by front line CS, and players pay the price for front line CS getting it wrong.

Determining which operators to avoid is tricky, and the best approach may be a blanket personal blacklisting. This is a problem for operators who find they get lumped in to the dodgy bracket based on the behaviours of the majority that use the same software.

A graphic example of this is the fallout after Bryan decided to toss ALL Rival casinos into the "not recommended" section, which had many operators squealing about how unfair it was to judge them purely based on them using the same software as others that had behaved badly. It seems to have lead to a breakdown in the relationship between Bryan and Rival at many levels.

Such globally predatory terms are everywhere, but reputable casinos rarely, if ever, use them. Instead, they are present as an ass covering exercise, with no intent to actually use them against a regular player. Casino Plex has used this term as it's FIRST option, so clearly they intend to use it wherever possible, rather than very rarely as an ass covering strategy.

If casinos were judged solely on the content of the full set of terms, they should all be avoided, even the accredited ones. They ALL have overly one sided sets of terms favouring themselves, and leaving the player with virtually no rights in the relationship.
 
FTR and for the benefit of those who can't read too well,:

1. I did NOT say that I agreed with that term. I don't like it at all, in fact. Its bordering on rogue in some ways.


2. I DID say that the term was THERE and that the OP AGREED to it.

3. If players don't WANT to be subject to such awful terms then they should READ them first and choose NOT to play. Its not obligatory to deposit, take a bonus, and then play.

4. Before Playtech bonuses are credited a popup appears with "accept" and "decline" WITH a link to the terms....so TWO opportunities exist to read and reject bad bonus terms. The OP took neither.

5. The "S" in the name term so meaningfully put forward by inspin, if it was enshrined in the terms and was agreed to by the player, would be enforceable IMO. Both parties agreed. The term itself is rogue and the casino should be rogued, BUT that is a totally seperate argument.

6. I would support the casino being "not recommended". I would not support the player being paid etc. If people can't see the distinction between the two issues, then they aren't thinking clearly. Call for the casinos head....sure.....but there are two different issues in play, and the player is responsible for the outcome of one of them.

VWM

The casino didn't force the OP to break the terms. You're applying that requirement incorrectly. The player placed HIMSELF in that position by not READING the terms in the first place. Only if the term was invented afterwards and retroactively applied would your assertions be accurate.

What's with the progressive nonsense? He didn't even play one. Honestly....youre going off on a totally irrelevant rant there (anti casino of course...who knew?)




Mouche.....you're not reading properly, and just taking a "poor player" stance as usual (understandable given your history of troubles with casinos I guess). All his deposits were refunded.



@Nifty - No Sirree, (un)fortunately I am my own worst enemy, never the casinos - I always read the T&Cs very carefully and if they seem unfair I contact support. Also, I would definitely not have opted for a meagre $100 bonus on a $500 deposit, but losing $17000 under these conditions? There is also the concept of 'unfair conditions' and I do believe the OP fell victim to one of those. If I were the OP I would submit a PAB.

@VWM - your quote "In this case, the term is not the real issue, the issue is that the software mislead the player into withdrawing by erroneously displaying information indicating that WR had been completed. Reading the terms does not help in this kind of situation. It is also not obvious what the intent of such a term is until it is too late, so also too late to avoid the establishment." hits the nail on the head.

I stand corrected - this seems indeed the core of this issue.
 
IMHO a term like that, should be enough to send them directly to the pit.
What other purpose can it possibly serve, than to try and trap players, and steal their winnings ? (Seriously I want to know).

The money should of course stay in the players account, and he should be told, that he has more wagering to do, before a withdrawal can be permitted. Anything else is simple theft.
Stealing players winnings is not ok, whether they put it in their T&C's, or not, that they're going to steal. There has to be a limit to how stupidly casinos are allowed to act, before it's considered both rogue and theft.
IMO that limit has been far exceeded here, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with a player not being adult, responsible, or in any way shape or form less intelligent than the average person. It has everything to do with a casino, that is deliberately trying to steal legit winnings from a player, for no reason what so ever, other than they can, because they, somewhere in a "term", told the player that they were going to. Not only is it rogue...it's stupid!
 
IMHO a term like that, should be enough to send them directly to the pit.
What other purpose can it possibly serve, than to try and trap players, and steal their winnings ? (Seriously I want to know).

The money should of course stay in the players account, and he should be told, that he has more wagering to do, before a withdrawal can be permitted. Anything else is simple theft.
Stealing players winnings is not ok, whether they put it in their T&C's, or not, that they're going to steal. There has to be a limit to how stupidly casinos are allowed to act, before it's considered both rogue and theft.
IMO that limit has been far exceeded here, and it has absolutely NOTHING to do with a player not being adult, responsible, or in any way shape or form less intelligent than the average person. It has everything to do with a casino, that is deliberately trying to steal legit winnings from a player, for no reason what so ever, other than they can, because they, somewhere in a "term", told the player that they were going to. Not only is it rogue...it's stupid!

I agree....except you're missing one vital aspect of this particular case.

The OP admitted they did not READ the terms AT ALL. The OP had NO idea what the rules were, OR what WR was attached.....NOT because they were not provided, but because they didn't READ or attempt to read them, even when presented with them when asked to "accept" or "decline" the bonus. If the OP HAD read the terms, and understood that if he withdrew before meeting WR he would lose the lot, then this thread wouldn't exist. How anyone can say he bears no responsibility beggars belief. Even the OP admits it.

Accepting a bonus or any other promotion without even attempting to understand what you are accepting IS the very definition of irresponsible. Almost NOBODY here would get caught by this term, but most everyone here would read the terms before the accepted the bonus, OR contact support to clarify anything they don't understand.

IF the OP had asked support for the terms, and they told him that this term didn't apply or didn't exist, then it is a different story.

Yes, its a predatory term....which is 100% avoidable just by reading the terms and knowing what you're agreeing to. There is no excuse for that term, but there is no excuse for being caught by it either....it really does come down to personal responsibility.

Rogue the casino....sure. It is a totally seperate debate to HOW the player was affected by it i.e. his own carelessness and irresponsibility. I mean, who accepts anything "free" these days under ANY circumstances and doesn't check to see what the catch is...and there always is a catch. It goes far beyond online casinos. It's crazy, and irresponsible, especially when it is only a 20% bonus.
 
The terms are there. The OP accepted them. He tried to withdrawal (Break his contract) without fulfilling the terms of agreement. Are the terms fair? Apparently they were fair to the OP when he agreed to them. It's like walking into a pawn shop. You wanna to pawn something and get it back out of pawn in a month. Well the pawn broker tells you, you got 30 days and 28% interest rate added on. If you decided to accept those terms. Both parties are expecting to satisfy those terms within 30 days. If not, you agree that the pawn broker may sell your item. The OP could have easily went to slots and wagered the remaining balance and cashed out 10K+. But instead he decided to break his agreement and in doing so. The casino exercised the conditions within those terms.
 
I strongly suggest that OP PAB this one. It's got to be one of the worst I've seen so far ....and I've seen many.
If nothing else, to get this outfit put where they belong.

If we're at a point where a casino can blatantly steal 17K from a player for this (non)reason, and hide behind an extremely rogue term, this business is going down the drain, and it deserves it in my opinion. We're not talking just a little money, that you can just shake off. This is really upsetting reading.
 
I strongly suggest that OP PAB this one. It's got to be one of the worst I've seen so far ....and I've seen many.
If nothing else, to get this outfit put where they belong.

If we're at a point where a casino can blatantly steal 17K from a player for this (non)reason, and hide behind an extremely rogue term, this business is going down the drain, and it deserves it in my opinion. We're not talking just a little money, that you can just shake off. This is really upsetting reading.

Why should the amount matter? You're saying if it was $100 you would just say "oh well its $100 live and learn". If you really believe what you're expecting me to believe, then surely its the principle not the money? IMO you've kinda diluted the strength of your argument right there.

Its difficult to see how a PAB could succeed given the only one not adhering to the mutually accepted terms is the player. Unless of course the casino relents and replaces the balance to be wagered further, which I would think they'd have done already if they were a decent operator, which they clearly aren't.

Remember, there are two seperate issues here......a player breaching a term, and a casino having a roguish term. One is the players fault, the other is not.
 
So in your opinion, it's ok for a casino to do ANYTHING, as long as they can hide behind a "term", regardless of how rogue and stupid it is ?
This is where I strongly disagree, and where I see CM come in, to help both players and casinos play fair. This is in NO way fair to the player, and he was put in this situation thanks to a roguish term, in the first place. Anyone who can't see, that this term was put in there, with only one intention, need their eyes examined.

I know your next argument will be, that he "accepted" the term, but again....how rogue terms should we let a casino come up with., before we as players, and one of the best sources for help online (CM), say enough is enough ? As I said before, in my opinion, there has to be a limit to what they can get away with, and that limit has been crossed in this case. You can not steal from people, just because you tell them first, that that's your intention. That doesn't make it legal or morally correct.

I agree that the amount is of less importance, but I figured it would be easier for me personally, to shake off 50 bucks, tell people how rotten their operation is, and not return...
but yeah, you're right. The amount is not very important.

I feel a PAB would be good, to let this casino prove themselves as a serious player, and not just a bunch of crooks, chance their terms to be fair, and do the right thing towards this player, before we fry them.

Why should the amount matter? You're saying if it was $100 you would just say "oh well its $100 live and learn". If you really believe what you're expecting me to believe, then surely its the principle not the money? IMO you've kinda diluted the strength of your argument right there.

Its difficult to see how a PAB could succeed given the only one not adhering to the mutually accepted terms is the player. Unless of course the casino relents and replaces the balance to be wagered further, which I would think they'd have done already if they were a decent operator, which they clearly aren't.

Remember, there are two seperate issues here......a player breaching a term, and a casino having a roguish term. One is the players fault, the other is not.
 
The terms are there. The OP accepted them. He tried to withdrawal (Break his contract) without fulfilling the terms of agreement. Are the terms fair? Apparently they were fair to the OP when he agreed to them. It's like walking into a pawn shop. You wanna to pawn something and get it back out of pawn in a month. Well the pawn broker tells you, you got 30 days and 28% interest rate added on. If you decided to accept those terms. Both parties are expecting to satisfy those terms within 30 days. If not, you agree that the pawn broker may sell your item. The OP could have easily went to slots and wagered the remaining balance and cashed out 10K+. But instead he decided to break his agreement and in doing so. The casino exercised the conditions within those terms.

Yeah, it's actually nothing like your example. But whatever ...
 
What if the OP requested a withdrawal when he had say only $300 left, figuring hey i dont want to lose anymore, would they return all his deposits back for breaking the terms?
 
So in your opinion, it's ok for a casino to do ANYTHING, as long as they can hide behind a "term", regardless of how rogue and stupid it is ?
This is where I strongly disagree, and where I see CM come in, to help both players and casinos play fair. This is in NO way fair to the player, and he was put in this situation thanks to a roguish term, in the first place. Anyone who can't see, that this term was put in there, with only one intention, need their eyes examined.

I know your next argument will be, that he "accepted" the term, but again....how rogue terms should we let a casino come up with., before we as players, and one of the best sources for help online (CM), say enough is enough ? As I said before, in my opinion, there has to be a limit to what they can get away with, and that limit has been crossed in this case. You can not steal from people, just because you tell them first, that that's your intention. That doesn't make it legal or morally correct.

I agree that the amount is of less importance, but I figured it would be easier for me personally, to shake off 50 bucks, tell people how rotten their operation is, and not return...
but yeah, you're right. The amount is not very important.

I feel a PAB would be good, to let this casino prove themselves as a serious player, and not just a bunch of crooks, chance their terms to be fair, and do the right thing towards this player, before we fry them.

I remember back in 1998. I was staying at the Grand Casino in Biloxi, MS. This guy had been "Sitting" and playing Caribbean Stud Poker all night long. As he played the game, he would bet $1 on the progressive. After a while I went back to my room. I came back down around 2 AM, and the same guy was still playing. This time he was "Standing" up and playing. About 30 mins or so. He hit the progressive for a Royal Flush (Over $100,000). They didn't pay him!!! You know why? Right there on the table on the Progressive Rule Chart. YOU MUST BE "SITTING" IN YOUR SIT AT THE TIME OF PROGRESSIVE WIN. He wasn't - I felt sorry for him. But he agreed when he took his first bet. That he would be "SITTING" while playing.
 
I don't know what to make of that ... I would like a link though. ;)

Anyways....a rule that says you must be sitting while playing a card game, doesn't seem like a rogue rule to me, but only natural.
The casino, I'm sure, would have made him aware of this, pretty fast, if that was the rule of the house.

I remember back in 1998. I was staying at the Grand Casino in Biloxi, MS. This guy had been "Sitting" and playing Caribbean Stud Poker all night long. As he played the game, he would bet $1 on the progressive. After a while I went back to my room. I came back down around 2 AM, and the same guy was still playing. This time he was "Standing" up and playing. About 30 mins or so. He hit the progressive for a Royal Flush (Over $100,000). They didn't pay him!!! You know why? Right there on the table on the Progressive Rule Chart. YOU MUST BE "SITTING" IN YOUR SIT AT THE TIME OF PROGRESSIVE WIN. He wasn't - I felt sorry for him. But he agreed when he took his first bet. That he would be "SITTING" while playing.
 
I remember back in 1998. I was staying at the Grand Casino in Biloxi, MS. This guy had been "Sitting" and playing Caribbean Stud Poker all night long. As he played the game, he would bet $1 on the progressive. After a while I went back to my room. I came back down around 2 AM, and the same guy was still playing. This time he was "Standing" up and playing. About 30 mins or so. He hit the progressive for a Royal Flush (Over $100,000). They didn't pay him!!! You know why? Right there on the table on the Progressive Rule Chart. YOU MUST BE "SITTING" IN YOUR SIT AT THE TIME OF PROGRESSIVE WIN. He wasn't - I felt sorry for him. But he agreed when he took his first bet. That he would be "SITTING" while playing.

Funny, i got told this by a dealer like 2 months ago in harrahs new orleans.. Reason was i got up to get cigs out of my pocket while she was dealing
 
I think the amount does matter in this story. The higher the amount, the more tricks a casino will play, any tricks, NOT to pay out or at least delay payment. And like VWM said (which I had initially overlooked), the software indicated that the WR had been met. The OP should not fall victim to this.

I saw one complaint at AskGamblers about a player having to send a notarised document for verification by postal mail to Casino Plex. The issue was resolved in the end, but it also involved a considerable cashout and this casino was making it quite difficult for the player. The player received his winnings over the course of 1 month.

I am with Lahutte too: please submit a PAB!
 
Sorry, with Nifty on this one. It'a term, he agreed, there's the end result.
I think it's a BAD term, but if the op didn't like it, he shouldn't have agreed to it. Lots of casinos and businesses offer terrible terms. When we feel that way, the smart thing is not to use those services.
 
No one is disputing that players should always read and be aware of the terms and conditions before playing.

HOWEVER

If the story here is to be taken as factual,It's the actions and the nature of the behaviour by this casino that raise cause for concern.

Simply put, regardless of terms or rules or anything like that, an organisation should treat you fairly, honestly and with transparency - that is not what has happened here. To put it another way, if a casino expects you to rigidly and truthfully follow their terms and conditions - an essential aspect of that relationship is reciprocal rigidity and openness.

Not gladly hoovering up your money then a massive FU/"read the t&c's dickhead" when you hit withdraw. Moreover, any term that involves flattening your entire balance for doing something the casino physically allows you to deserves them being thrown in the pit full stop.
 
I think the amount does matter in this story. The higher the amount, the more tricks a casino will play, any tricks, NOT to pay out or at least delay payment. And like VWM said (which I had initially overlooked), the software indicated that the WR had been met. The OP should not fall victim to this.

I saw one complaint at AskGamblers about a player having to send a notarised document for verification by postal mail to Casino Plex. The issue was resolved in the end, but it also involved a considerable cashout and this casino was making it quite difficult for the player. The player received his winnings over the course of 1 month.

I am with Lahutte too: please submit a PAB!

I don't see anywhere that the OP stated that "the software told him WR was met". Can you show where he did? VWM makes stuff up sometimes so don't rely solely on that.

The term is unfair. No doubt. It stinks in fact. Problem is, the OP was not forced to accept it. He did so voluntarily. In his words he "just accepted the bonus". Nothing untoward by the casino here.....the term was clearly written and the terms were offered before he accepted.....he just didn't bother reading them.

Its obvious that some members believe that ignorance is a defence. Don't bother reading the terms first.....just play the bonus and raise holy hell later when you lose your winnings due to a term you think is unfair in retrospect.

Thing is, the OP might be getting some support from the lynch mob, but its not going to get him paid.....but taking personal responsibility in future will make sure it doesn't happen again.

For those talking about adherence to terms working both ways.....the player was the only one who broke any terms, so I'm not sure how that argument is even relevant here.
 

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