vinylweatherman
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I agree....except you're missing one vital aspect of this particular case.
The OP admitted they did not READ the terms AT ALL. The OP had NO idea what the rules were, OR what WR was attached.....NOT because they were not provided, but because they didn't READ or attempt to read them, even when presented with them when asked to "accept" or "decline" the bonus. If the OP HAD read the terms, and understood that if he withdrew before meeting WR he would lose the lot, then this thread wouldn't exist. How anyone can say he bears no responsibility beggars belief. Even the OP admits it.
Accepting a bonus or any other promotion without even attempting to understand what you are accepting IS the very definition of irresponsible. Almost NOBODY here would get caught by this term, but most everyone here would read the terms before the accepted the bonus, OR contact support to clarify anything they don't understand.
IF the OP had asked support for the terms, and they told him that this term didn't apply or didn't exist, then it is a different story.
Yes, its a predatory term....which is 100% avoidable just by reading the terms and knowing what you're agreeing to. There is no excuse for that term, but there is no excuse for being caught by it either....it really does come down to personal responsibility.
Rogue the casino....sure. It is a totally seperate debate to HOW the player was affected by it i.e. his own carelessness and irresponsibility. I mean, who accepts anything "free" these days under ANY circumstances and doesn't check to see what the catch is...and there always is a catch. It goes far beyond online casinos. It's crazy, and irresponsible, especially when it is only a 20% bonus.
You are in denial. Knowledge of the term is irrelevant, the software showed the wrong information. Even if the OP had read the term, he would STILL have withdrawn having seen information in the cashier that WR had been completed, and so this thread would STILL exist, even if the discussion was focussed more on the cashier giving false information.
Reading the terms on a surprise pop-up offer is NOT by any means simple. You CANNOT just bugger off and trawl for the relevant terms as you MUST make a decision there and then, and BEFORE you navigate away from the pop-up to either play, or read some terms about bonuses. It's different when you are sent the offer by email before you even open the software, or find it in the lobby, as you can go away and do some research before being presented with the decision.
The surprise popup offer is a common Playtech tactic, designed to rush the player into making a decision before they have time to think about it. This leads to "stupid" choices, like thinking a $100 phantom bonus on a $500 deposit with an unknown WR is a good offer for playing Roulette.
Declining the bonus does not always help either, especially when playing at Grand Duke who will then confiscate winnings for "using a system"
The casino is merely an "advantage casino", using clever marketing and presentation to manipulate the players into making bad decisions. They can hide behind pages of terms and conditions, but it doesn't change what they are in the same way that an advantage player sails as close to the edge as possible, but does not actually break any terms and conditions.
If you take the view that this kind of "warfare" is OK for the casino, then it is just as OK for the clever advantage player to ruthlessly exploit badly constructed terms and conditions - after all, the people who wrote them are also responsible adults, and so are those that design badly thought out +EV promotions. Funny how the casino screams "unfair" when they get tripped up by the advantage player who just happens to be better at maths than their promotions department, yet squeal that players should pay the price for their own mistakes however unfair it might be.