Btg how do you get away with it

Reelsoffun

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No disrespect but they are pretty poor, with only 3 just breaking x300 and the average around x100, which is where it’s supposed to be allegedly.

The graph is cool though. :thumbsup:
Tbh it’s always been a constant for me rarely break the 500x and never had over 1000x ever.
 

snorky510238

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More questions @BTG_Official_ReadOnly3, @BTG_Official_ReadOnly1

Not sure if All British Casino still has 2 Versions of Bonanza but they certainly did. If all versions are the same, what would be the point?

Why do some Casinos have a different front cover, why is there not just one? Seems some Casinos have had updates, whilst others haven’t.

Why on some sites (never checked whether it’s version specific), when you open the game does it take you to the default page (which displays an example of a screenshot that is fixed), whilst others take you to the exact screenshot of where you left the game at the end of the previous session?

The latter question I have pondered for quite some time and the more I think about it, the more I think, I might be right. Not saying this is categorically what happens but I don’t think it’s a million miles away either.

Every game you ever play is preprogrammed, that’s the only way, rtp can be kept on track. Forget the “it’s all in the maths”, that’s just bullshit and I will give my reason as to why I think that.

A slot, such as Bonanza, has literally billions of permutations regarding the combinations of symbols, you can expect to see land, on any one spin.

Hypothetically for understanding, let’s say there are a billion outcomes. Therefore to hit the expected rtp, you don’t just need to do 1 billion spins because that doesn’t guarantee you will see every outcome.

Indeed, to be able to argue the point that you should have hit the expected rtp, you would need to do trillions of spins to meet the mean average. Yet here we are, all running at somewhere near rtp, having in theory only done the tiniest sample of spins.

In theory, if it was truly random, with that amount of possible outcomes, you would have some people running at 20%, some at 50% and others running at 200% for example. How is it possible that we all run, at around the expected rtp unless it’s controlled?

This is how I think it happens, only my personal theory and I know what the reaction will be from certain members but that doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s all about opinions, they have theirs, I have mine.

When you open a game at a Casino, that is your own personal version, nobody else can play it. That is why, when you go back to Bonanza, it shows the same screenshot as when you left off. The same as playing a game on a PS, only your gameplay is saved automatically. I would say the reason most slots load to a default page is to throw you off of that scent but during an update on Bonanza, somebody forgot to code that back in or something.

With that in mind the outcomes are already known before they are played and if it was possible to do the amount of spins required to “complete the game”, your rtp would be exactly right. The swings in between are just part of the ride. Everyone will get a different version but we will all get the same end result.

Could be wrong, I am willing to admit that but it makes more sense than rng’s being responsible for what we see and if I am wrong, there is still a bit of food for thought because I don’t think I’m totally wrong about everything.
 

brianmon

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@snorky510238
It's the MGS servers that show the previous spin, when reloading or loading a new game. It happens on all MGS games.
Every player has a unique ID number per casino.
It only shows the last spin for that particular casino. not the last spin on Bonanza as a whole.
So by your theory, you'd be playing multiple 'personal versions', depending on how many casinos you play it at
 

snorky510238

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So by your theory, you'd be playing multiple 'personal versions', depending on how many casinos you play it at
Yes exactly, I wasn’t eluding towards the game moving Casinos with you. Multiple “personal versions”, it’s quite possible.
 

trancemonkey

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In response to the op @kennygamerboy, we have historically answered all reasonable questions. In regards to your post, to use the word rigged is wrong as it denotes dishonest manipulation. Slots are created for the house to win / player to lose, this is an honest fact. Our games are for entertainment and amusement, we're really not providing a get-rich-quick scheme! We provide the RTP clearly for our games and don't give operators the option to change them. The RTP may fluctuate from session to session, but it will be bang on the RTP over the lifetime of a game.

However, having said that, I would recommend if you are significantly behind on a game, it would be wise to stop as it may take a huge bankroll to get you back to an RTP relevent position depending on the volatility of the slot in question.

In terms of how compliance works, @trancemonkey is possibly the most accurate and trusted source of correct information related to how this works regarding testing, etc, as he is not affiliated with us in any way. He is, in fact, a ray of non-bias light in what seems to be a long and murky tunnel for most.

In terms of our sale to Evolution, nothing has changed; we are still releasing games via our partners, namely, SG Digital, Microgaming, and Relax, and no math or RTP has changed as everything is still the same as the day it was launched (in terms of RTP) the only changes we make are for patches to fix bugs/updates for new versions of iOS/Windows, etc.

I'm still here as CEO of BTG for the long term, and happy to discuss/answer any topics/questions. I'm looking forward to revealing what we will be doing with Evolution in the next few years, some great times ahead, and we'll have some wonderful innovations to share with you all in the not-too-distant future!

Cheers!
Thanks for the kind words Nik :)
 

trancemonkey

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Your building ID lanyard will be available for collection after 12pm (it's been sanitised):p
Haha.. I'd love to work at BTG... but its on the other side of the planet ;)
 
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