Btg how do you get away with it

Jackstar

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Jeez.. no wonder people get so pissed off with BTG these questions are finally being answered by the CEO who still can’t give accurate answers??!! Honestly us players deserve better
From my own experience sky Vegas is a different game and if you are honestly saying that there is only one version then I want an investigation and a refund! ?
 

toms596

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In games like Wild Flower or Lil Devil is there a different reelset depending on the wild symbol chosen for the bonus? Like you get a 9 and 10s are everywhere then the next bonus you get 10 and they disappear?
 

kennygamerboy

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Might sound preposterous but if Nick is Adamant there’s only one bonanza how do we know sky aren’t using pirated bonanza of some sort? Every single person I speak to who has ever played it on sky say it’s the worst bonanza ever so maybe I’m onto something and maybe if it really is the case that there’s only one bonanza btg need to investigate sky and so do the ukgc
 

Kroffe

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Might sound preposterous but if Nick is Adamant there’s only one bonanza how do we know sky aren’t using pirated bonanza of some sort? Every single person I speak to who has ever played it on sky say it’s the worst bonanza ever so maybe I’m onto something and maybe if it really is the case that there’s only one bonanza btg need to investigate sky and so do the ukgc
Actually, going by BTG:s answer, Sky might be the only site using a real version of bonanza.
Scatters are not supposed to appear on the reels during max megaways spins, so that makes whatever version sky is running the correct one, and all other sites are using some kind of pirated version.

This is assuming BTG:s answer saying scatters do not appear on the reelsets for max megaways spins is true.
I mean, why whould they say that if it wasnt true.
;)
 

Reelsoffun

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I think what nik (BTG) was saying that there is no letters on a max ways spin, but they are still available from drops after any cascades from the initial max ways spin. That is always what I have seen anyway. The set it uses for the max ways has no letters but then the drops are from a set that does, generating the possibility of them. I don't know for sure but that how it seems to play for me and like snorks I have put well over a million spins through bonanza.
 
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Reelsoffun

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In games like Wild Flower or Lil Devil is there a different reelset depending on the wild symbol chosen for the bonus? Like you get a 9 and 10s are everywhere then the next bonus you get 10 and they disappear?

I can answer this one, yes there is a separate set for each symbol that is picked in the bonus, realistically this is the only way you can really do this type of game, which is why most if not all games with this mechanic do it that way. It would be extremely hard or most likely impossible to do it with only one reel set for the bonus and to keep it within any designed RTP.

When it comes to slot design sticky wilds on all ways pays are complex, volatile and expensive RTP hogs of a feature.
 

Kroffe

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I think what nik (BTG) was saying that there is no letters on a max ways spin, but they are still available from drops after any cascades from the initial max ways spin. That is always what I have seen anyway. The set it uses for the max ways has no letters but then the drops are from a set that does, generating the possibility of them. I don't know for sure but that how it seems to play for me and like snorks I have put well over a million spins through bonanza.
So you think that when they said 'max megaways spins use a reelset without scatters' what they actually meant was 'max megaways spins use a reelset that definitely has scatters' :confused:

Not sure why you would want to bend over backwards trying to justify their answer like that, but it still wouldnt explain why there are no scatters on whatever version sky is running.

Im sure they will be back to try and awkwardly backpedal their answer, but until then, lets assume they actually meant what they wrote, no need to invent answers for them.
 

Jackstar

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I think what nik (BTG) was saying that there is no letters on a max ways spin, but they are still available from drops after any cascades from the initial max ways spin. That is always what I have seen anyway. The set it uses for the max ways has no letters but then the drops are from a set that does, generating the possibility of them. I don't know for sure but that how it seems to play for me and like snorks I have put well over a million spins through bonanza.
And sky Vegas after millions of spins there’s never been a scatter in any cascades in max megaways
 

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I think this person who speaks here for btg knows as much as us about his own product... atleast it seems like that... "All versions are exactly same" "there is no scatters on max ways" ....
 

toms596

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I can answer this one, yes there is a separate set for each symbol that is picked in the bonus, realistically this is the only way you can really do this type of game, which is why most if not all games with this mechanic do it that way. It would be extremely hard or most likely impossible to do it with only one reel set for the bonus and to keep it within any designed RTP.

When it comes to slot design sticky wilds on all ways pays are complex, volatile and expensive RTP hogs of a feature.

So I'm guessing each reelset has a reduced number of the chosen symbol in order to keep to RTP.

Does that mean that your chances of a good bonus have nothing to do with the chosen symbol?
 

snorky510238

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I think what nik (BTG) was saying that there is no letters on a max ways spin, but they are still available from drops after any cascades from the initial max ways spin. That is always what I have seen anyway. The set it uses for the max ways has no letters but then the drops are from a set that does, generating the possibility of them. I don't know for sure but that how it seems to play for me and like snorks I have put well over a million spins through bonanza.
Yeah, I get what you’re saying there but it still doesn’t allow for not seeing scatters on the SKY version.
 

manttih

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In my humble opinion, this calls for thorough investigation and shouldn't be 'chalked off'. There are two options here:

1. BTG is blatantly lying about there not being different versions of Bonanza (as proven here by players). If they do lie about this, whats to say they dont lie about nerfing Bonanza?
2. Some (well-respected If I understand correctly) casinos are running pirated version of Bonanza. In which case a full refund to players are needed.

I don't play on UKGC casinos, so I cannot say anything about casinos mentioned. I haven't even played Bonanza in months, so cannot comment about changes in the game (it has always been horrible for me :)).
 

PMKFRUITPRO

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I think it’s fair to say that the likes of hills, videoslots, coral group, white hat, L&L etc etc and obv SKY aren’t running pirated versions of bonanza!! Jeez the stuff people come out with.

I remember before the one and only update to the sky Vegas version (according to the info on the help pages) took place in Oct 2020 (patch -1). It was previously (again according to version history) left in its original state/version until then. During the time from 2017 to this time other sites had updates made which we are led to believe was cosmetic stuff for windows/Mac updates etc etc.

I can only think that perhaps an update was made to the max Megaways spin to allow a feature was a compliance issue?

Is there anything that states that a feature chance must be obtainable on every spin?? The earlier version which it seemed remained at sky obv couldn’t allow that? And STILL doesn’t.

Therefore a tweak was made to allow scatters in the cascades after the initial max Megaways spin?? Thus giving the player their chance of a feature. Because they certainly can’t appear on any version/platform on the intial spin.

Only an educated guess of course. We need the main man to come back and explain please??
 

manttih

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@PMKFRUITPRO , not sure if you replied to me, but I too don't think anyone is running a pirated version of the game - thus the slightly sarcastic tone of 2. option :) .
 

snorky510238

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Considering I ran at around 102% for a while and a solid 98% until April this year, it shows how despicable my game play has been at VS, since that fatal update.

I hasten to add, my game play at VS has been far better than it has at Unibet, Leo Vegas and several others.

Even @colinsunderland, who doesn’t normally buy into these sort of theories, eluded to the possibility that the dead spins seemed to have increased dramatically.

It’s not a coincidence that the vast majority of us who played the game solidly, are all seeing the same thing and for the ones who say, it’s playing the same or better, we are seeing no screenshots or high rtp’s to back up those statements.

A million percent, the game has been nerfed but of course the last thing any provider could ever do, would be to admit it.

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PMKFRUITPRO

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You’ve only done 31k spins at videoslots??? Wow. Please tell me that’s not lifetime spins there??

Call ya self a bonanzarer???!!!

Maybe you should have complained when your RTP was at 102% and 98% as you were experiencing far superior gameplay that you should have been!!

So an increase of 6% and 2% is fine but a decrease of 4% means game changed!! All that in just 30,000 spins!!!

I thought you knew better than that Snorks.
 

kennygamerboy

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I think it’s fair to say that the likes of hills, videoslots, coral group, white hat, L&L etc etc and obv SKY aren’t running pirated versions of bonanza!! Jeez the stuff people come out with.

I remember before the one and only update to the sky Vegas version (according to the info on the help pages) took place in Oct 2020 (patch -1). It was previously (again according to version history) left in its original state/version until then. During the time from 2017 to this time other sites had updates made which we are led to believe was cosmetic stuff for windows/Mac updates etc etc.

I can only think that perhaps an update was made to the max Megaways spin to allow a feature was a compliance issue?

Is there anything that states that a feature chance must be obtainable on every spin?? The earlier version which it seemed remained at sky obv couldn’t allow that? And STILL doesn’t.

Therefore a tweak was made to allow scatters in the cascades after the initial max Megaways spin?? Thus giving the player their chance of a feature. Because they certainly can’t appear on any version/platform on the intial spin.

Only an educated guess of course. We need the main man to come back and explain please??
How do you know can you be 100% sure?? Trusting these casinos blindly. Any were there is mega money is corruption. Top game springs to mind
 

danofthewibble

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Considering I ran at around 102% for a while and a solid 98% until April this year, it shows how despicable my game play has been at VS, since that fatal update.

I hasten to add, my game play at VS has been far better than it has at Unibet, Leo Vegas and several others.

Even @colinsunderland, who doesn’t normally buy into these sort of theories, eluded to the possibility that the dead spins seemed to have increased dramatically.

It’s not a coincidence that the vast majority of us who played the game solidly, are all seeing the same thing and for the ones who say, it’s playing the same or better, we are seeing no screenshots or high rtp’s to back up those statements.

A million percent, the game has been nerfed but of course the last thing any provider could ever do, would be to admit it.

Did you consider it was broken when you were 4-6 percentage points above the average RTP for the game, or only when it was now 4-6 percentage points below the quoted and no longer playing in your favour?

We keep seeing patterns in things that aren't there, and you can go back months/weeks/years in this thread and find people complaining the game has changed, while at the same time others are posting bonus after bonus.

Honestly, if you are really convinced the game is broken, don't play it - why throw good money after bad?

(To add - 102+92=194/2 = 97, so strictly you're still about the target RTP, if you want to look at it that way.)
 
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PMKFRUITPRO

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I rarely play at videoslots. Mainly when they throw me a bonus as obv any other games I may want to play from other providers are obv on crap RTP. But here are my stats(lifetime)

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PMKFRUITPRO

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It’s only a very small sample but clearly no issues here. It’s worth noting that at one point after about 30 odd K spins I was down at 84%

VS defo my least played casino on the bonanza front.

Im currently requesting lifetime from sky.
 

kennygamerboy

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I think it’s fair to say that the likes of hills, videoslots, coral group, white hat, L&L etc etc and obv SKY aren’t running pirated versions of bonanza!! Jeez the stuff people come out with.

I remember before the one and only update to the sky Vegas version (according to the info on the help pages) took place in Oct 2020 (patch -1). It was previously (again according to version history) left in its original state/version until then. During the time from 2017 to this time other sites had updates made which we are led to believe was cosmetic stuff for windows/Mac updates etc etc.

I can only think that perhaps an update was made to the max Megaways spin to allow a feature was a compliance issue?

Is there anything that states that a feature chance must be obtainable on every spin?? The earlier version which it seemed remained at sky obv couldn’t allow that? And STILL doesn’t.

Therefore a tweak was made to allow scatters in the cascades after the initial max Megaways spin?? Thus giving the player their chance of a feature. Because they certainly can’t appear on any version/platform on the intial spin.

Only an educated guess of course. We need the main man to come back and explain please??
The thing is I’ve said this before even paddy power has the october 2020 version but it went down on PP and sky Vegas in April same time as it went down on all the other sites for the “update” so they are lying saying they are still on the october 2020 version I’ve said this before in the bonanza thread.
 

danofthewibble

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The thing is I’ve said this before even paddy power has the october 2020 version but it went down on PP and sky Vegas in April same time as it went down on all the other sites for the “update” so they are lying saying they are still on the october 2020 version I’ve said this before in the bonanza thread.

You're really far into tin-foil hat territory. Seriously, consider whether or not you should be playing for your own good!
 
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