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Was thinking that! Is this just a rule for land based slots?
BTG feature buys no longer in the UK
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It wont change the base game RTP anyway at all as you will still get the bonus feature when the coins get to zero, its a good way they kept the game IMO.
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Absolutely LOVE the UKGC is stepping in and removing the bonus buys. I truly wish others would step in and do it too. As a matter of fact I might message all the other commissions and tell them they should get on board.
Well done UKGC!
Well done UKGC!
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The Netent spin has a better chance of paying something
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Crybaby. You where one of the few that where complaining about the unfairness the buy feature has to offer? I mean ya'll know this right, but buying could lose your initial investment, esp when you start gambling spins. It's a genius concept from a game dev standpoint. But in all fairness, this pretty much kills the game. I'm playing and wagering over 200 spins to lose 2 bonuses that dropped on the 8 vs 12 spins already. I mean, this will drive me to another game pretty fast.
Removing the Buy Feature most certainly kills a lot of games, as everything is geared towards the bonus and bonus only.
This is why I think certain designers have made the games nigh-on unplayable in the base game to 'guide' players into ending the tedium.
Who on earth is going to play half of these games, or have the time & patience to sit there watching another 0.5x bet roll in an hour straight.
Again, the features themselves weren't really the issue if 'capped' responsibly. Yanking them outright is pointless and doesn't exactly redress Problem Gambling does it. For that they'd need to make maximum bets £2 and have those lovable 3-second delays between spins!
Which is probably next
This is why I think certain designers have made the games nigh-on unplayable in the base game to 'guide' players into ending the tedium.
Who on earth is going to play half of these games, or have the time & patience to sit there watching another 0.5x bet roll in an hour straight.
Again, the features themselves weren't really the issue if 'capped' responsibly. Yanking them outright is pointless and doesn't exactly redress Problem Gambling does it. For that they'd need to make maximum bets £2 and have those lovable 3-second delays between spins!
Which is probably next
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Hopefully the game producers will start making a game that are more fun to play. I know myself that I have just bought bonuses as I CBA to wait for the bonus to drop in and end up keep raising if they are poor, going from £20 buys up to £100 buys and then im broke. No playtime.
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The difference being not only can u do a £100 (sorry I will rephrase that) could u do £100 feature buy you could also do a £1000 feature buy and there lays the problem.
How many games do you know which allow £1000 spins???
Big payouts or big losses. Bonus buys were made at the average cost of triggering the bonus for a particular game so in the end it's the exact same.
I'm in Canada BTW, not Norway.
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To add to this.
Its hard to compare the two, because they are atleast to me very different things.
The same person that buys a €20 extra chilli bonus, would probably never in his life consider making €20 spins.
I mean, i buy, on rare occasions a bonus in white rabbit for min stake (€10), but you wont see me doing any €10 spins, no matter what slot im playing.
Then why didn't they cap it at say £200 max for a bonus buy and forbid it giving a zero paying bonus (i.e. some of the gambles such as Vikings by Blueprint)? At least with most of the bonus buys you get a guaranteed return on the investment (White Rabbit for example) unlike doing a £100 spin on any of the Netent slots where you more likely than not you lose the whole lot.
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Im not sure if you are calling me a crybaby or yourself because it seems like you start out with an insult but then continue on which seems like you are agreeing?
As for your second sentence, you seem to be making a statement but then add a question mark?
Can you clarify if you are calling me a cry baby at least so I know whether to be nice or pull the claws out. Thanks!
But just in advance if you are calling yourself a crybaby, I agree with you fully!
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Is there any news or article from UKGC about this?
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Thank God EGT has no feature buy slots... 
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Ah, the buying is back.
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Extra chilli is a huge pain in the ass, for primarily the risk of losing your complete bonus (buy) when trying to gamble up to xx spins. It's extremely volatile. It can eat yours and 10 others budget for breakfast in an hour. I think i've seen to game change quite a few times now, where the best paying RTP is simply at those higher buys or bonus plays. And that is the cruwl part, you have to gamble to at least 16 spins to get the best out of a session.
I have tried the other BTG variants but the wagering is just time consuming. On avg 100 to 150 spins to trigger a feature, with no real guarantee that it's going to hit or not. Often i had the typical investment minus a few percent back.
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I lost 10k in one day on Extra Chilli on 200 and 250 gambles. So I completely welcome this, it's like crack! Endlessly chasing losses as well.
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I can't get my head around how someone, anyone, can afford to lose 10k in a day on slots. Is everyone rich on here or something 
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I think the whole point of the ban, is that there are players who might have 10k, or access to it via a credit card, or whatever.I can't get my head around how someone, anyone, can afford to lose 10k in a day on slots. Is everyone rich on here or something
But that doesn't mean they can necessarily afford to lose it.
Especially with bonus buy games, where you're (almost) forced to gamble everything on achieving a decent amount of spins.
I can see how easy it would be to chase losing gambles, expecting that "it's bound to come good eventually"
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Anyone who thinks there is no difference between a £100 bonus buy and a £100 for a spin I suspect does not quite understand the difference in psychology or addictive nature between the two. Bonus buy gives you instant grantification. You are getting to what most perceive to be the point of slots in general in the bonus round without the tedium of spinning to get it. This satisfies the urge to get to the "exciting bit" quickly and repeatedly for a significant cost.
I realise most cannot go anywhere near £100/spin, or even £5/spin which seems to be the standard these days on YouTube and it is far less aluring. I mean we all know how brutal most slots these days can be at <£1 per spin so the urge to go to £5 and higher is probably lower even for those who gamble a lot. Of course there are people for whom this will still be an irresistable urge but for those people I'd suggest removing of the bonus buys will pretty much be a meaningless act.
I realise most cannot go anywhere near £100/spin, or even £5/spin which seems to be the standard these days on YouTube and it is far less aluring. I mean we all know how brutal most slots these days can be at <£1 per spin so the urge to go to £5 and higher is probably lower even for those who gamble a lot. Of course there are people for whom this will still be an irresistable urge but for those people I'd suggest removing of the bonus buys will pretty much be a meaningless act.
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Nope you were in the Walking Dead, one of the best characters also IMO, better than the dross it has become these days!
*Yes CM community, end of week, over tired, bored etc you got it!
Another thing would be that for some players, the bonus buy is more than enough, and may just be used a couple of times.
Say someone buys two bonuses at £100 then 'calls it a day'. There's nothing to suggest that a punter has to go on a feature-buy spending spree just because they've splurged on a couple.
Said player could however spent way above the stated £200 (relevant to the stake size of the bonus we're talking about) chasing one bonus, nevermind two. So where does the UKGC stand on players chasing bonuses, beyond their means, that a guaranteed (& 'budgeted) feature purchase didn't already provide?
Oh that's right, I forgot. They haven't a clue what they're actually doing!
Say someone buys two bonuses at £100 then 'calls it a day'. There's nothing to suggest that a punter has to go on a feature-buy spending spree just because they've splurged on a couple.
Said player could however spent way above the stated £200 (relevant to the stake size of the bonus we're talking about) chasing one bonus, nevermind two. So where does the UKGC stand on players chasing bonuses, beyond their means, that a guaranteed (& 'budgeted) feature purchase didn't already provide?
Oh that's right, I forgot. They haven't a clue what they're actually doing!
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Why? Maybe you have a gambling issue and can't deal with bonus buys, but don't take it out on everyone else. There are players who enjoy bonus buys in a responsible way.
Going out of your way to influence the other commissions to remove the bonus buy choice for everyone makes you look like a sad and salty person. I like having the choice to buy a low stake bonus from time to time, and i have never done my bollocks in doing bonus buys. Why don't you want me and others like me to be able to buy a bonus from time to time?
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Totally agree.
I didn’t do it often but I’d occasionally buy white rabbit bonuses and the odd chilli ones.
Along with a few of the blueprints here and there. It was all low stakes.
Just like I enjoy going out regularly for a few beers with my mates. But just because there’s a few alcoholics dotted about it doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to do that either.
Eventually we’ll just be left with our own bookie online sites as the rest of the uk facing online casinos will just turn their back on the UK market if they start getting made to reduce this or prevent that etc etc. Won’t be worth the extra hassle along with the already increased taxes I believe they now have to pay. We’ve already seen a few turn their backs on us I believe?
Will it be a max stake next?? That will pretty much kill the industry won’t it? Then these lot will all be out of a job anyway.
I didn’t do it often but I’d occasionally buy white rabbit bonuses and the odd chilli ones.
Along with a few of the blueprints here and there. It was all low stakes.
Just like I enjoy going out regularly for a few beers with my mates. But just because there’s a few alcoholics dotted about it doesn’t mean I shouldn’t be able to do that either.
Eventually we’ll just be left with our own bookie online sites as the rest of the uk facing online casinos will just turn their back on the UK market if they start getting made to reduce this or prevent that etc etc. Won’t be worth the extra hassle along with the already increased taxes I believe they now have to pay. We’ve already seen a few turn their backs on us I believe?
Will it be a max stake next?? That will pretty much kill the industry won’t it? Then these lot will all be out of a job anyway.
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Simply put.....they dont, as there is no way you have played any slot with 2k on 50p bets and won 0% RTP.
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Some sites are leaving/have left the swedish market for what i guess is the same reason.
Over-regulation makes the casinos scared of getting hit with fines, and the whole "no bonus" thing we got going on here in sweden makes it hard for any site to stand out from all the others.
The "Spelpaus" (gamban) is a good thing, but really its just a play for the gallery.
It might help some people kick the habit, but the real problem gamblers will just go outside swedish regulation and play on sites not affected by Spelpaus.
Im mostly salty about the no-bonus thing, because i frequently used deposit bonuses to increase my playtime.
100-200% bonuses can extend the playtime for a lowroller like me alot.
Sure, i probably had less cash-outs back then compared to now when all my deposits are raw cash.
But i also got more play-time out of less money, and so far it has come out pretty even win/loss wise.
I don't see any money left? on 50p spins!!!
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You very well may have no money left but your RTP would not have been 0% on 4000 spins at 50p etc.
I would suggest you learn ( look into ) how RTP is calculated and works before playing more into slots, as you don't seem to understand what im saying or how RTP works?
For you to have 0% RTP you would have had to have won nothing at all from all those spins?
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I’ve not mentioned anything about the bonus buy ban yet, primarily because I didn’t know how I felt about it.
I regularly bought a White Rabbit bonus at £10 a go. WR is very good for giving you something back in the bonus, a bad one would be in the range of £3-£4 back, quite often it would return £7 or so, but more often than not it paid more than I paid for it. Sometimes significantly more.
I also regularly bought Chilli bonuses, but usually when the coin buy had brought the price down a bit. If I was up for the session, I’d do a couple at full price but only at 20p/£10. Chilli was quite fond of paying zero bonuses so to go higher would be madness.
Its been a very profitable strategy for me, and I am pretty annoyed after all that they’ve taken a sledge hammer to it.
In which universe is it acceptable to remove a bonus buy at £1-£20 stake but still allow the player to spin at £40-£100 a go? I really don’t get it.
@Big Time Gaming, you mentioned earlier in the thread you were going to ask about acceptable bonus buy stakes, have you got anywhere with that yet?
I find it ludicrous for example that the bonus buy in Chilli can go down to £1.50 yet I’m not allowed to buy it, but I can up the stakes to £40 for normal spins and spin away until the cows come home.
Preventing crazily high bets I do understand, but this ruling has not even achieved that
I regularly bought a White Rabbit bonus at £10 a go. WR is very good for giving you something back in the bonus, a bad one would be in the range of £3-£4 back, quite often it would return £7 or so, but more often than not it paid more than I paid for it. Sometimes significantly more.
I also regularly bought Chilli bonuses, but usually when the coin buy had brought the price down a bit. If I was up for the session, I’d do a couple at full price but only at 20p/£10. Chilli was quite fond of paying zero bonuses so to go higher would be madness.
Its been a very profitable strategy for me, and I am pretty annoyed after all that they’ve taken a sledge hammer to it.
In which universe is it acceptable to remove a bonus buy at £1-£20 stake but still allow the player to spin at £40-£100 a go? I really don’t get it.
@Big Time Gaming, you mentioned earlier in the thread you were going to ask about acceptable bonus buy stakes, have you got anywhere with that yet?
I find it ludicrous for example that the bonus buy in Chilli can go down to £1.50 yet I’m not allowed to buy it, but I can up the stakes to £40 for normal spins and spin away until the cows come home.
Preventing crazily high bets I do understand, but this ruling has not even achieved that
It's done 100% by the UKGC to remove the elephant in the room, namely Feature Buys (= evil) whilst allowing equally ludicrous options for players to lose all their money in the form of bets of £20 UPWARDS
The thing with censorship is you either remove it all or none, the clue's in the title, i.e gambling......once they've neutered this pastime into a limp husk of its former self no one will actually want to do it anymore!
What did need removing was the 'gamble your feature' err Feature, that's outright scummy tactics by designers really. Bet that's still intact in Chilli? I'm happy to be corrected on that one
Yet best way forward to make gambling safe & risk-free are a few ideas of my own, for the (not biased) UKGC to implement in future. They are:
1) Mandatory loss limits at login
2) A designated friendly personal advisor per session, to keep an eye on you, whilst also 'cheering you on' from the sidelines when the slots are hawt
3) 5- second delays between spins, to keep you grounded
4) Compulsory telephonic interviews with your employer, to get an idea of not only your income, but the sort of person you are and how you react to stressful scenarios. Unemployed procariat are banned outright as how dare they gamble
5) Casinos conducting face-to-face interviews with your parents and/ or next of kin, to get your life history. Also to detect any likely future recurring problems
6) Limit game selection to 3 games. Starburst, Da Vinci's Diamonds & Lights
7) Payments on winnings can only be done via Postal Order, thus decreasing the urge to splurge
8) Remove your hands, making spinning somewhat tricky
The thing with censorship is you either remove it all or none, the clue's in the title, i.e gambling......once they've neutered this pastime into a limp husk of its former self no one will actually want to do it anymore!
What did need removing was the 'gamble your feature' err Feature, that's outright scummy tactics by designers really. Bet that's still intact in Chilli? I'm happy to be corrected on that one
Yet best way forward to make gambling safe & risk-free are a few ideas of my own, for the (not biased) UKGC to implement in future. They are:
1) Mandatory loss limits at login
2) A designated friendly personal advisor per session, to keep an eye on you, whilst also 'cheering you on' from the sidelines when the slots are hawt
3) 5- second delays between spins, to keep you grounded
4) Compulsory telephonic interviews with your employer, to get an idea of not only your income, but the sort of person you are and how you react to stressful scenarios. Unemployed procariat are banned outright as how dare they gamble
5) Casinos conducting face-to-face interviews with your parents and/ or next of kin, to get your life history. Also to detect any likely future recurring problems
6) Limit game selection to 3 games. Starburst, Da Vinci's Diamonds & Lights
7) Payments on winnings can only be done via Postal Order, thus decreasing the urge to splurge
8) Remove your hands, making spinning somewhat tricky
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I've always said white rabbit is the most 'assured' of the bonus buys. Better distribution of RTP IMO- a bit more volatility in the base game allows a rejig of the maths.
These blueprint bonanza type clones with bonus buys are just pure tedium in base game and downright questionable in the buys. If you're buying in for 100x you shouldn't be getting 10x-30x back with the regularity they seem to do. Their maths models are all wrong in my opinion.
These blueprint bonanza type clones with bonus buys are just pure tedium in base game and downright questionable in the buys. If you're buying in for 100x you shouldn't be getting 10x-30x back with the regularity they seem to do. Their maths models are all wrong in my opinion.
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How would you cater for unemployed that are millionaires ?? Only asking as i'm mates with one one
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Unbelievably DrVegas were paying a lot of players by cheque. Wonder why they went bust.
Are you mates with The Bandit ?How would you cater for unemployed that are millionaires ?? Only asking as i'm mates with one one
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Overall the bonus buy features were scarily addictive, particularly Chilli. How many times have you lost the first gamble and thought..."I need to keep buying to get to 16+ spins" only to have the piss ripped out of you. For me it makes slots slots again, none of the cutting corners. Actually think we may see a lot more deposit bonuses as a result as well.
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Also on the UKGC approach...its the right thing to do. They removed all red tape and compliance at the behest of the then Labour government who ironically are dead against online gambling now. I engage with them regularly and they are not trying to kill things but there are literally thousands of complaints to them regarding these bonus buys so they need to so something
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Does anyone know when Extra Chilli will be available to play? I'm not bothered about the buying spines feature.. Just quite like the game!
Foxium still has the feature buys available boom pirates, not every supplier/casino has been targeted it seems.
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lockinlove
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I dont have a gambling issue at all and I am not taking it out on anyone else. I am not sad nor salty. My post was rather positive and you seem to be the salty one. Do you always cry your eyes out when people have different opinions?
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If any UK players are desperate to buy an 'Extra Chilli' bonus. I've just been playing at Volt casino. They still have the buy option, for some reason.
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