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Break Away Casino has gone too far

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by gambling god, Apr 12, 2006.

    Apr 12, 2006
  1. gambling god

    gambling god Dormant account

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    Hello everybody in Casino Meister land.

    First off I would like to say its been great reading your best and worse of the previous years and found it a good read and it has helped me many times before promoting a casino im not too sure of. One one you better casinos ( Breakaway casino ) has done something I believe is going to far in the wager requirement field of fair gaming.

    I am a firm beiliever that if you don't wish to play with wager requirements then you simply do not sign up for a bonus.

    Breakaway Casino and I believe Sci-fi their sister site have put up a 1x playthrough on all deposits regardless if you do not claim any bonus.

    I think they have simply gone too far by adding a 1x requirement before cashing out. Any thoughts ?

    Thank you

    Gambling God
     
  2. Apr 12, 2006
  3. tennis_balls

    tennis_balls Dormant account

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    sounds fair to me

    i would imagine it's a nuisance for any casino to process a withdrawal for "gamblers" who may wish to bet less than 1x. why does this policy upset you?
     
  4. Apr 12, 2006
  5. gambling god

    gambling god Dormant account

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    Fair Gaming ?

    I think when online casinos use the words " fair gaming" in every second sentence they would know better then to add a wager requirement to a simple deposit.

    Its a buisness and if I go to the land based casino down the street from my house, I deposit $100.00 and on my first spin I win $300.00 , Should I have to playthrough the other 100.00 before I hit the cashout button ?

    I believe in wager requirements on bonuses, nothing wrong with that ( unless your Mapau who thinks 50x is ok ) but on a simple deposit you simpy cannot restrict the player. Thats a quick way to lose alot of buisness.

    Thank you for replying.

    Gambling God
     
  6. Apr 12, 2006
  7. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    North Carolina
    Maybe I'm just getting less tolerant in my old age ... :D

    But if you don't like the online casino's rules, do not play there! As similar as they are, online casinos are, in fact, different from brick and mortar casinos. They face a higher risk of money laundering, identity theft and all kinds of other Internet-related pitfalls that the B&M casino doesn't

    If you don't like the way online casinos run their business, go "down the street from my house" and play there. :rolleyes:

    P.S. Oh, and your "fair gaming" comment? It wouldn't be fair if they told you after that fact about the 1x deposit wagering requirement. Having it on their website where you can see it (as long as it's not tucked away deep in some T&C) is actually pretty fair, IMHO.

    Caveat aleator (free rep points to the person who translates it ;) )
     
  8. Apr 12, 2006
  9. soflat

    soflat Senior Member

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    Florida
    1X is not too bad. Just make smaller deposits if you are worried about getting stuck.
     
  10. Apr 12, 2006
  11. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    Let the gambler beware!! :D
     
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  12. Apr 12, 2006
  13. gambling god

    gambling god Dormant account

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    Saying something like " if you don't like it there" is not really the reply I was hoping to recieve from people. The point is this, Casinos as you can tell are making more and more rules to have the odds in their favor. This is simply another factor to make the odds more in their favor. I of course will take your advice and not play there, obviously I didnt need to be told. But I truly believe that 1x goes against everything online casinos are meant to be. They have always preached about thow their odds are the same or better then a land based casino, they have always promoted they look and feel is like a real land based casino and last but not least they have always tried to pull land based casino gamblers to their site so they can enjoy gambling without leaving the comfort of ones home. So don't sit there and tell me that online casinos are completly different when in fact they have worked so hard to be just like land based casinos. Except we cant talk to them face to face and we must trust them with our money. I believe that as a gambler it is my right to bring up something that I think is unfair, and restricting a player who recieves no deposit bonus is simply uncalled for and is in fact un fair gaming practice. Just because they tell you how it is, doesnt make it fair to gamblers. The odds are already against us, why would we simply let something like this slide ?
     
  14. Apr 12, 2006
  15. CasinoForumu

    CasinoForumu Dormant account

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    If it is only 1x why not 0x
    Is that very difficult?
     
  16. Apr 12, 2006
  17. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    So what do you think would be a reasonable WR on deposits with no bonus. The 1x WR requirement is there to prevent 'money laundering' The sportsbook that I bet at has a WR of 70% of my deposit before I can initiate a withdrawal. I think we have to ask ourselves why we just make a deposit and then we dont intend to play there. Sounds baffling to me.
     
  18. Apr 12, 2006
  19. gambling god

    gambling god Dormant account

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    To be honest, Id say when I play at an online casino, I very rarley find myself withdrawing minutes after I deposit. I am simply not that lucky. But if I was to win a few hundred on my first few spins, you can bet your butt that I would be withdrawing it. Id call it a day and play again some other time. The big thing about 1x on a deposit with no bonus is kind of what Pinababy pointed out. We can deposit small amounts and perhaps a 1x playthrough requirement wouldnt be so bad on a $20 deposit. But what If I deposit $500 or $5,000 ? Should I be required to playthrough my 5,000 deposit before cashing out ?
     
  20. Apr 12, 2006
  21. spearmaster

    spearmaster RIP Ted

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    Gambling God, the requirement is not unfair if it is publicly posted. Think of it this way - if you deposited $10K, and won a few hundred on the first spin and thought "Better get out ahead", would it be fair for them to have to pay processing fees of as high as 8.9% (totalling $890) for the $10K deposited even though you only used a few bucks?

    Deposit only what you are going to play - then play it through at least once - recognize the fact that the casinos DO have to go out of their way to accept your deposits, and pay you your winnings.
     
  22. Apr 12, 2006
  23. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Sounds totally reasonable to me. In fact, I'm surprised the WR isn't higher!

    I can't think of any legitimate reason why any player would make a deposit into a casino without intending to play it through at least once. :confused:

    With several hundred casinos on the net, if you don't like it - go somewhere else!
     
  24. Apr 12, 2006
  25. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Let the dice player beware????
     
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  27. tantalos

    tantalos Experienced Member

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    Hey MacGyver, "Let the dice-roller beware" is your answer I suppose. In fact, this is a Gaius Marius's quote, who was a General in the Roman Army.

    Watching documentaries regarding gambling seems to have had its effect on me :D

    So can I have my Free points - I could really use some of these! :D
     
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  29. universexf6

    universexf6 Dormant account

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    Completely agree.

    Money laundering?? Who cares anyway when the online casino itself is not
    regulated in any way.
     
  30. Apr 12, 2006
  31. soflat

    soflat Senior Member

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    I don't understand what is unfair about it. Doesn't the very fact that they tell you up front make it fair?

    There are quite a few differences between land-based and online casinos, and I don't see why you pick this specific one to bash them about.
     
  32. Apr 12, 2006
  33. Macgyver

    Macgyver Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    This was the one I meant because "aleator" was given to me when I asked the Internet what the Latin word for gambler was.

    And that's interesting, because I thought I just made it up yesterday! :D

    Free rep points for all 3 of you!! :thumbsup:
     
  34. Apr 12, 2006
  35. Let_It_Ride

    Let_It_Ride Quit Gambling

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    yet another BS rule and I for one thank you for bringing it to our attention, it's all too easy to say read the T&Cs but I play online casinos to have fun and not have to spend hours reading through T&Cs.
     
  36. Apr 13, 2006
  37. gambling god

    gambling god Dormant account

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    Thank you everybody who has replied so far. To agree or disagree I think its a good post which gives a good feeling of what people are feeling about online gambling. I should however point out that my intention was not to completly bash Breakaway Casino, but to show how disgruntled I am at the way rules continue to change and as gamblers we are forced to read a bunch of terms and conditions before depositing money.

    4x playthrough at one casino, 50x playthrough at another and these are restrictions due to bonuses. I really could care less about a wager requirement on free bonus money. I think thats fair. But not on standard deposits. In regards to a procesing fee. I am pretty sure it cost them as much as it cost us to deposit via our neteller our payspark or whatever it is we deposit with.

    If one casino sets up this 1x rule , then your going to find more and more doing it. I don't think we will be sitting back and letting it slide then. I play to win and I know that many who have never played at breakaway casino but were going to because of their fast payouts and good customer service have decided not to.

    Thank you

    Gambling God
     
  38. Apr 13, 2006
  39. Simmo!

    Simmo! Moderator Staff Member

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    Protection against money laundering is my guess. The trouble they'd be in for assisting this is far greater than losing the few players who don't like the rule. It's also good from an industry perspective that casinos show a cautionary attitude regarding legal responsibilities.

    But as stated, it is clear on their site so fair play IMO.
     

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