Break Away Casino has gone too far

gambling god

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Hello everybody in Casino Meister land.

First off I would like to say its been great reading your best and worse of the previous years and found it a good read and it has helped me many times before promoting a casino im not too sure of. One one you better casinos ( Breakaway casino ) has done something I believe is going to far in the wager requirement field of fair gaming.

I am a firm beiliever that if you don't wish to play with wager requirements then you simply do not sign up for a bonus.

Breakaway Casino and I believe Sci-fi their sister site have put up a 1x playthrough on all deposits regardless if you do not claim any bonus.

I think they have simply gone too far by adding a 1x requirement before cashing out. Any thoughts ?

Thank you

Gambling God
 

tennis_balls

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sounds fair to me

i would imagine it's a nuisance for any casino to process a withdrawal for "gamblers" who may wish to bet less than 1x. why does this policy upset you?
 

gambling god

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Fair Gaming ?

I think when online casinos use the words " fair gaming" in every second sentence they would know better then to add a wager requirement to a simple deposit.

Its a buisness and if I go to the land based casino down the street from my house, I deposit $100.00 and on my first spin I win $300.00 , Should I have to playthrough the other 100.00 before I hit the cashout button ?

I believe in wager requirements on bonuses, nothing wrong with that ( unless your Mapau who thinks 50x is ok ) but on a simple deposit you simpy cannot restrict the player. Thats a quick way to lose alot of buisness.

Thank you for replying.

Gambling God
 

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gambling god said:
Its a buisness and if I go to the land based casino down the street from my house, I deposit $100.00 and on my first spin I win $300.00 , Should I have to playthrough the other 100.00 before I hit the cashout button ?

Maybe I'm just getting less tolerant in my old age ... :D

But if you don't like the online casino's rules, do not play there! As similar as they are, online casinos are, in fact, different from brick and mortar casinos. They face a higher risk of money laundering, identity theft and all kinds of other Internet-related pitfalls that the B&M casino doesn't

If you don't like the way online casinos run their business, go "down the street from my house" and play there. :rolleyes:

P.S. Oh, and your "fair gaming" comment? It wouldn't be fair if they told you after that fact about the 1x deposit wagering requirement. Having it on their website where you can see it (as long as it's not tucked away deep in some T&C) is actually pretty fair, IMHO.

Caveat aleator (free rep points to the person who translates it ;) )
 

Pinababy69

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Macgyver said:
Caveat aleator (free rep points to the person who translates it ;) )

Let the gambler beware!! :D
 

gambling god

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Saying something like " if you don't like it there" is not really the reply I was hoping to recieve from people. The point is this, Casinos as you can tell are making more and more rules to have the odds in their favor. This is simply another factor to make the odds more in their favor. I of course will take your advice and not play there, obviously I didnt need to be told. But I truly believe that 1x goes against everything online casinos are meant to be. They have always preached about thow their odds are the same or better then a land based casino, they have always promoted they look and feel is like a real land based casino and last but not least they have always tried to pull land based casino gamblers to their site so they can enjoy gambling without leaving the comfort of ones home. So don't sit there and tell me that online casinos are completly different when in fact they have worked so hard to be just like land based casinos. Except we cant talk to them face to face and we must trust them with our money. I believe that as a gambler it is my right to bring up something that I think is unfair, and restricting a player who recieves no deposit bonus is simply uncalled for and is in fact un fair gaming practice. Just because they tell you how it is, doesnt make it fair to gamblers. The odds are already against us, why would we simply let something like this slide ?
 

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gambling god said:
Saying something like " if you don't like it there" is not really the reply I was hoping to recieve from people. The point is this, Casinos as you can tell are making more and more rules to have the odds in their favor. This is simply another factor to make the odds more in their favor. I of course will take your advice and not play there, obviously I didnt need to be told. But I truly believe that 1x goes against everything online casinos are meant to be. They have always preached about thow their odds are the same or better then a land based casino, they have always promoted they look and feel is like a real land based casino and last but not least they have always tried to pull land based casino gamblers to their site so they can enjoy gambling without leaving the comfort of ones home. So don't sit there and tell me that online casinos are completly different when in fact they have worked so hard to be just like land based casinos. Except we cant talk to them face to face and we must trust them with our money. I believe that as a gambler it is my right to bring up something that I think is unfair, and restricting a player who recieves no deposit bonus is simply uncalled for and is in fact un fair gaming practice. Just because they tell you how it is, doesnt make it fair to gamblers. The odds are already against us, why would we simply let something like this slide ?


So what do you think would be a reasonable WR on deposits with no bonus. The 1x WR requirement is there to prevent 'money laundering' The sportsbook that I bet at has a WR of 70% of my deposit before I can initiate a withdrawal. I think we have to ask ourselves why we just make a deposit and then we dont intend to play there. Sounds baffling to me.
 

gambling god

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To be honest, Id say when I play at an online casino, I very rarley find myself withdrawing minutes after I deposit. I am simply not that lucky. But if I was to win a few hundred on my first few spins, you can bet your butt that I would be withdrawing it. Id call it a day and play again some other time. The big thing about 1x on a deposit with no bonus is kind of what Pinababy pointed out. We can deposit small amounts and perhaps a 1x playthrough requirement wouldnt be so bad on a $20 deposit. But what If I deposit $500 or $5,000 ? Should I be required to playthrough my 5,000 deposit before cashing out ?
 

spearmaster

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Gambling God, the requirement is not unfair if it is publicly posted. Think of it this way - if you deposited $10K, and won a few hundred on the first spin and thought "Better get out ahead", would it be fair for them to have to pay processing fees of as high as 8.9% (totalling $890) for the $10K deposited even though you only used a few bucks?

Deposit only what you are going to play - then play it through at least once - recognize the fact that the casinos DO have to go out of their way to accept your deposits, and pay you your winnings.
 

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Sounds totally reasonable to me. In fact, I'm surprised the WR isn't higher!

I can't think of any legitimate reason why any player would make a deposit into a casino without intending to play it through at least once. :confused:

With several hundred casinos on the net, if you don't like it - go somewhere else!
 

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Macgyver said:
Caveat aleator (free rep points to the person who translates it ;) )

Hey MacGyver, "Let the dice-roller beware" is your answer I suppose. In fact, this is a Gaius Marius's quote, who was a General in the Roman Army.

Watching documentaries regarding gambling seems to have had its effect on me :D

So can I have my Free points - I could really use some of these! :D
 

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gambling god said:
Hello everybody in Casino Meister land.

First off I would like to say its been great reading your best and worse of the previous years and found it a good read and it has helped me many times before promoting a casino im not too sure of. One one you better casinos ( Breakaway casino ) has done something I believe is going to far in the wager requirement field of fair gaming.

I am a firm beiliever that if you don't wish to play with wager requirements then you simply do not sign up for a bonus.

Breakaway Casino and I believe Sci-fi their sister site have put up a 1x playthrough on all deposits regardless if you do not claim any bonus.

I think they have simply gone too far by adding a 1x requirement before cashing out. Any thoughts ?

Thank you

Gambling God


Completely agree.

Money laundering?? Who cares anyway when the online casino itself is not
regulated in any way.
 

soflat

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gambling god said:
I believe that as a gambler it is my right to bring up something that I think is unfair, and restricting a player who recieves no deposit bonus is simply uncalled for and is in fact un fair gaming practice. Just because they tell you how it is, doesnt make it fair to gamblers.

I don't understand what is unfair about it. Doesn't the very fact that they tell you up front make it fair?

There are quite a few differences between land-based and online casinos, and I don't see why you pick this specific one to bash them about.
 

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Pinababy69 said:
Let the gambler beware!! :D

This was the one I meant because "aleator" was given to me when I asked the Internet what the Latin word for gambler was.

tantalos said:
Hey MacGyver, "Let the dice-roller beware" is your answer I suppose. In fact, this is a Gaius Marius's quote, who was a General in the Roman Army.

And that's interesting, because I thought I just made it up yesterday! :D

Free rep points for all 3 of you!! :thumbsup:
 

Let_It_Ride

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gambling god said:
Hello everybody in Casino Meister land.

First off I would like to say its been great reading your best and worse of the previous years and found it a good read and it has helped me many times before promoting a casino im not too sure of. One one you better casinos ( Breakaway casino ) has done something I believe is going to far in the wager requirement field of fair gaming.

I am a firm beiliever that if you don't wish to play with wager requirements then you simply do not sign up for a bonus.

Breakaway Casino and I believe Sci-fi their sister site have put up a 1x playthrough on all deposits regardless if you do not claim any bonus.

I think they have simply gone too far by adding a 1x requirement before cashing out. Any thoughts ?

Thank you

Gambling God


yet another BS rule and I for one thank you for bringing it to our attention, it's all too easy to say read the T&Cs but I play online casinos to have fun and not have to spend hours reading through T&Cs.
 

gambling god

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Thank you everybody who has replied so far. To agree or disagree I think its a good post which gives a good feeling of what people are feeling about online gambling. I should however point out that my intention was not to completly bash Breakaway Casino, but to show how disgruntled I am at the way rules continue to change and as gamblers we are forced to read a bunch of terms and conditions before depositing money.

4x playthrough at one casino, 50x playthrough at another and these are restrictions due to bonuses. I really could care less about a wager requirement on free bonus money. I think thats fair. But not on standard deposits. In regards to a procesing fee. I am pretty sure it cost them as much as it cost us to deposit via our neteller our payspark or whatever it is we deposit with.

If one casino sets up this 1x rule , then your going to find more and more doing it. I don't think we will be sitting back and letting it slide then. I play to win and I know that many who have never played at breakaway casino but were going to because of their fast payouts and good customer service have decided not to.

Thank you

Gambling God
 

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Protection against money laundering is my guess. The trouble they'd be in for assisting this is far greater than losing the few players who don't like the rule. It's also good from an industry perspective that casinos show a cautionary attitude regarding legal responsibilities.

But as stated, it is clear on their site so fair play IMO.
 

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Let_It_Ride said:
yet another BS rule and I for one thank you for bringing it to our attention,



YES thank YOU!

I never deposit money I dont plan to play thru at least once and I always make small deposits but I still think the rule sucks!
 

spearmaster

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gambling god said:
4x playthrough at one casino, 50x playthrough at another and these are restrictions due to bonuses. I really could care less about a wager requirement on free bonus money. I think thats fair. But not on standard deposits. In regards to a procesing fee. I am pretty sure it cost them as much as it cost us to deposit via our neteller our payspark or whatever it is we deposit with.

I have to disagree with this. It cost you *nothing* to deposit with Neteller, *nothing* even when you use Instacash, which costs the casino 8.9%. If you were to deposit $100 by Instacash, then immediately withdraw it, it might cost YOU nothing - but it will cost the casino $8.90 on the spot.

No one said you have to like the rule. But it is well within their rights. If you think this rule is not fair, don't play there.
 

gambling god

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Perhaps a different rule then ? Maybe a casino could a minimum dollar amount to be wagered rather then a %

For example, If I deposit 100.00 then I must play at least $20 in wagers before cashing out. I still think that any restriction is not good but if they are going to do it, then perhaps a min $$ amount would be better suited.

If it costs a casino 8.9 % when you withdraw then maybe they could say you must wager 10% of your deposit before withdrawing ?

Just some ideas.

Thank you

Gambling God
 

AceMan76

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No one said you have to like the rule. But it is well within their rights. If you think this rule is not fair, don't play there.

My question is, with all the casinos out there, why would anyone voluntarily put a deposit into a casino that requires wagering before withdrawing? It would seem they are definitely going against the market with this requirement. I would not touch a place like that.

With all the casinos that are willing to pay the transaction fees no questions asked, what do these two casinos offer that would make them worth my time . . . absolutely nothing.
 

spearmaster

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The rule is not that unreasonable - if you deposit $20, and wager $20, you can cash it out. The simple way to avoid any problems is to avoid depositing large sums.

That being said - yes, what they are doing is different than some other casinos may do. It's up to the player to decide whether or not this rule is important to them. No different than if a casino has a different paytable for Jacks or Better, or perhaps requires a minimum cashout amount, or even minimum deposit amount.

If they had said you must wager 5x your deposit, or even 2x your deposit, I would have found that very problematic - but it does not seem unfair for them to ask that you "spend" the money you are depositing in the first place.

Breakaway and Sci Fi obviously believe that the service they provide is good enough to justify this request, which probably will affect less than 1% of all deposits.
 
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