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Brandon Walsh vs Curacao egaming
- Thread starter Brandon Walsh
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Well, he can't say he wasn't warned: for multiple Rules violations and ignoring the guidance of a moderator the OP has earned a little vacation. Hopefully he'll take the week to read the Forum Rules and reflect on the fact that he is a guest here and needs to behave like one.
Update: turns out the OP has been trying to blackmail Bitstarz, claiming to be a moderator here at CM and that they'd be on the blacklist if they didn't give him ... whatever he was demanding.
Needless to say Brandon "fake name" Walsh won't be returning any time soon.
Update: turns out the OP has been trying to blackmail Bitstarz, claiming to be a moderator here at CM and that they'd be on the blacklist if they didn't give him ... whatever he was demanding.
Needless to say Brandon "fake name" Walsh won't be returning any time soon.
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Delgotti
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Here is my encounter with Bitstarz
After maybe about 1 year of playing there and over $50,000 in bitcoin deposits I was playing on the Friday Loyalty bonus and hit a small jackpot of $25,000 so after completing the required playthrough I was at $15,000 so i decided to cashout. I was told that the bonus had a max cashout but i don't remember that amount, the rep quickly said that he would see what he could do since i was a VIP. He comes back with an offer of $1400 so i figured i had to take it because i did not know that VIP dont have a max cashout. After finding out what they did to me I decided to just let it go until it happened again. By this time i had read all the terms and conditions so i was aware of all their rules. Upon bringing this up to them and also calling them out for the time before the rep became very rude and just closed the live chat everytime i opened a new session. By this time im already mad as hell so i start questioning them on the whole not accepting USA players but they sure love to take our deposits. At that point my account was closed.
After maybe about 1 year of playing there and over $50,000 in bitcoin deposits I was playing on the Friday Loyalty bonus and hit a small jackpot of $25,000 so after completing the required playthrough I was at $15,000 so i decided to cashout. I was told that the bonus had a max cashout but i don't remember that amount, the rep quickly said that he would see what he could do since i was a VIP. He comes back with an offer of $1400 so i figured i had to take it because i did not know that VIP dont have a max cashout. After finding out what they did to me I decided to just let it go until it happened again. By this time i had read all the terms and conditions so i was aware of all their rules. Upon bringing this up to them and also calling them out for the time before the rep became very rude and just closed the live chat everytime i opened a new session. By this time im already mad as hell so i start questioning them on the whole not accepting USA players but they sure love to take our deposits. At that point my account was closed.
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Hi there,
If we would come across a player who was from the US whilst having money in their account, we always pay out the funds and close the account down. Now, you didn't mention that you were from the US to us prior to us closing your account down for responsible gambling (as per the screenshot below).
You also had a German address entered in your profile and later went on a big quest to get these funds back that you lost since that day, with every tool at your disposal. During this time, you also confessed to having multiple accounts:
Since then, which was about 2 years ago (and multiple threats later), we think we have provided enough evidence to support our actions, which was to close down your account for responsible gambling reasons. Once again, we have never taken or withheld funds from you.
Edit: Furthermore, your canned PAB was the one in which you made this accusation against us, so we'd like to think we've given you a fair chance to dispute this.
Olle
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seems you missed quite a bit out of your post
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Ok, multiple accounts confirmed. And that's another Forum Rules violation so ... adios @Delgotti .
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aw man, could not the ban hammer have stayed under lock and key for a few more pages, been ages since we've had a thread as "entertaining" and knowledge filled as this one!
That being said, I suppose the user can concentrate now on filming his next few episodes of "The Chase"
(I love my weak ass jokes, I really do!
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That being said, I suppose the user can concentrate now on filming his next few episodes of "The Chase"
(I love my weak ass jokes, I really do!
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Keep it polite - you'll not get any help if you post in this insulting manner. Thank-you.
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Well, as I always say "Sticks and stones may break my bones, but sending blurry docs in the KYC unfortunately won't make you get your withdrawal faster".
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You often seem to start talking in this manner about numerous casinos. Maybe time to find a new hobby . Try and chill out a little.
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I'm with you on this.
The amount of issues he seems to have with Casinos, Maybe it's time to realise, that maybe it's him personally, that has issues.
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Omg more bullshit from the gallery give it up this is opinion forum or maybe only for the head bikers. For the 2020 accredited nomination for casino group fourtune lounge group honest pay fast .lol every time I go on here it's the same people waiting to knock someone down for their opinions. To much I think you need a new hobby.
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Oops, this thread bit escalated 
For bit too late reply to banned OP, i didn't at any point was meaning that Curacao licenses and casinos operating there are perfect and above a criticism, only thing i was asking was from you when you decided to start new thread was to add some content in that and pointed out that thread as you opened it had informative value of zero when only statement is that Curacao license is fraud and scam.
If you have spent over 10 years at CM, you are well aware that Curacao licenses are widely criticized here for reasons, it's been done by many members and staff members if you would have bothered to read for example some reviewes about their licenses so had no any mean to prevent you to share your story, opinion, findings or what so ever but you decided to warn all CM members with post without any content, i assume that you could have done much better and longer post if you have add bit more effort on that and then probably some good debate, you , already go casino rep joining etc...
So late apologies if i made you feel bad, that wasn't my mean at all, just got bit frustrated to open this thread two or three times and thought to find something worth of reading from Curacao but ended up to started thread which only included rant of teenager.
For bit too late reply to banned OP, i didn't at any point was meaning that Curacao licenses and casinos operating there are perfect and above a criticism, only thing i was asking was from you when you decided to start new thread was to add some content in that and pointed out that thread as you opened it had informative value of zero when only statement is that Curacao license is fraud and scam.
If you have spent over 10 years at CM, you are well aware that Curacao licenses are widely criticized here for reasons, it's been done by many members and staff members if you would have bothered to read for example some reviewes about their licenses so had no any mean to prevent you to share your story, opinion, findings or what so ever but you decided to warn all CM members with post without any content, i assume that you could have done much better and longer post if you have add bit more effort on that and then probably some good debate, you , already go casino rep joining etc...
So late apologies if i made you feel bad, that wasn't my mean at all, just got bit frustrated to open this thread two or three times and thought to find something worth of reading from Curacao but ended up to started thread which only included rant of teenager.
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This is getting out hand. I play at Direx and N1 casinos all of the time - if you read the T&C and DON’T violate them, then you will have no problems.
I keep seeing “complaints”, but it seems all of them could be avoided if they just read the rules.
My suggestion is to pre-verify with them as well, makes the withdrawal process super fast, I’ve had withdrawals from both Direx and N1 In under 15 minutes.
I keep seeing “complaints”, but it seems all of them could be avoided if they just read the rules.
My suggestion is to pre-verify with them as well, makes the withdrawal process super fast, I’ve had withdrawals from both Direx and N1 In under 15 minutes.
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yes it is, I can't believe murky things don't go on there...I read the italian mafia had infiltrated the malta gambling industry, so given where curacao is located near south america with all the drug crime etc...you'd have to expect underhand stuff to go on, laundering etc...
It's a bit like the offshore finance and tax havens...all that money from crime at the top end [not street dealers] has got to go somewhere, into some account for safe keeping.
If the dutch monarchy allow such a lax system to exist on their island it must be for a reason...
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yes I've been inspired to delve deeper
the bbc did a radio programme on it
"the gamble network"
the text underneath states:
How gambling interests bought a country
The trail leads us to Curacao, a small island off the coast of Venezuela. This is where many of the offshore gambling sites that at least turn a blind eye to under-age gambling are licensed.
These Curacao licences have no validity in the UK, but they do allow operators to open bank accounts. According to the US State Department, Curacao is a major route for money laundering of drugs money from Latin America, with online gambling being one of the methods used. But who issues the licences? The plot thickens as it turns out that the licensing system is of doubtful legality, and could have been designed to encourage political corruption. In fact, we discover, one of Curacao’s top politicians was assassinated a few days after threatening to blow the gaff on gambling practices. The first prime minister of the newly autonomous island was jailed for political corruption, after it was shown that he had laundered money received by a major gambling operator alleged by the Italian police to have mafia connections.
So it appears that from the outset, organised crime set out to buy an island to facilitate gambling and drug money laundering. Could it be that the gambling your child is doing with video games is ultimately connected to organised crime and murder on the other side of the world?
presenter/producer Jolyon Jenkins
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Don't know how that last bit about video gaming ties in
...I'm getting a bit twitchy myself now, unlifting the lid on these things is clearly dangerous stuff akin to having a death wish 
the bbc did a radio programme on it
"the gamble network"
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the text underneath states:
How gambling interests bought a country
The trail leads us to Curacao, a small island off the coast of Venezuela. This is where many of the offshore gambling sites that at least turn a blind eye to under-age gambling are licensed.
These Curacao licences have no validity in the UK, but they do allow operators to open bank accounts. According to the US State Department, Curacao is a major route for money laundering of drugs money from Latin America, with online gambling being one of the methods used. But who issues the licences? The plot thickens as it turns out that the licensing system is of doubtful legality, and could have been designed to encourage political corruption. In fact, we discover, one of Curacao’s top politicians was assassinated a few days after threatening to blow the gaff on gambling practices. The first prime minister of the newly autonomous island was jailed for political corruption, after it was shown that he had laundered money received by a major gambling operator alleged by the Italian police to have mafia connections.
So it appears that from the outset, organised crime set out to buy an island to facilitate gambling and drug money laundering. Could it be that the gambling your child is doing with video games is ultimately connected to organised crime and murder on the other side of the world?
presenter/producer Jolyon Jenkins
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Don't know how that last bit about video gaming ties in
...I'm getting a bit twitchy myself now, unlifting the lid on these things is clearly dangerous stuff akin to having a death wish
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But it would be down to the curacao govenrment to do something about it, only they can, it's a bit silly for them to say the licences aren't legal and then leave it there?
It's like they want it both ways, money from the master licensees but no responsibility for the sub licences...that's my reading of it.
I think CM understand it's an unregulated market, the only regulation comes here in the form of a PAB, and they believe some of the curacao casinos who respond fairly with that process are viable places to play. That's my reading of the situation, if CM were saying all the casinos from there are legit that would be a different story.
Edit: I'm trying to be balanced here, I personally wouldn't play at a curacao casino even if it were possible, playing the slots themselves is all the risk I need, I don't want to add on top hassle getting paid out, which I still feel is a higher risk with those casinos, but I guess some parts of the world don't have a choice to play at a ukgc casino.
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I'm not an expert on the subject, but presumed that the master licencees are paying the government something, even if it's just tax on their profits/business rates; it's up to the curacao govt to regulate what goes on in the island's name, it's not difficult but obviously most of the casinos would probably up and leave.
However maybe it's too dangerous for any politician to seriously want to change the system, their life would be at risk?
I think the dutch could easily sort it out if they wanted to I'm sure, just in the name of fighting corruption, make the system the same as a low cost version of the MGA...
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Curacao has its own elected parliament and the Dutch government can't interfere with that.
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from the christian science monitor website [I know]
Optimism ran high here in late 2010 when the Dutch kingdom granted this small southern Caribbean island more autonomy than it ever held before. The Dutch wiped clean 80 percent of Curaçao’s debt and handed over control of most government functions to local leaders. For the first time since Spaniards arrived in 1499 and quickly enslaved the indigenous, the island controlled its destiny.
....Few expected this level of uncertainty less than three years ago when the Dutch dissolved the Netherlands Antilles, thereby making Curaçao a self-governing country. The Dutch retained control of some functions and oversaw the country’s finances
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From the website indexoncensorship.org regarding curacao journalist safety and censorship [mainly self censorship to avoid harm]:
While the island has had its own government since 2010, ties with the Netherlands are still strong. Corruption and organised crime in Curacao are occasionally discussed in Dutch parliament and the Dutch police is involved in the Wiels murder investigation. [he was the politician murdered in broad daylight]
But “the relationship is disturbed,” according to Dryer. “The Netherlands is careful to intervene when things are going the wrong way on the islands, because they’re afraid to be seen as the coloniser.” He thinks his country could be more involved when it comes to corruption and organised crime. “They should speak up more. The Netherlands worries about human rights in China, but when it comes to Curacao they say it’s an internal matter.”
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Until the dutch monarchy were to fully hand over the island to the inhabitants, they must have avenues of control/influence. Autonomy is one thing but ownership sits above that imo. They could intervene on the basis of removing corruption...
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The Dutch can't even make up their mind on their own gambling laws, let alone they should intervene in another countries 
I -think- the Dutch only intervene when the Curacao government specifically asks for help, like when a hurricane is about to hit or when there would be a political coup.
I -think- the Dutch only intervene when the Curacao government specifically asks for help, like when a hurricane is about to hit or when there would be a political coup.
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The Dutch can't even make up their mind on their own gambling laws, let alone they should intervene in another countries
I -think- the Dutch only intervene when the Curacao government specifically asks for help, like when a hurricane is about to hit or when there would be a political coup.
Yeah you're probably right, there's official etiquette/rules regarding these things just seems a wasted opportunity.
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No, you posted that article to begin with and are now pretending to be someone else who "just happens" to have an interest. Apparently we can add being a "sock puppet" -- a person who creates multiple accounts on the forums so they can talk to, usually agree with, themselves -- to your other misdemeanors: multiple accounts, attempted blackmail, lying about working for Casinomeister, etc.
Hyzenburg = Delgotti = Brandon Walsh = ...
The banner hammer is an infinite resource buddy, I'm happy to keep dishing it out.
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Weird really. We know the licensing is weak, and there are interesting conversations to be had. But clearly not by that person, who is just angry at the world.
With Curacao the essence is this: the licensing is weak, but well-managed casinos still use it for their own reasons. So long as those casinos remain well-managed, you can trust them. If things change in future, I’m sure we’ll hear about it quickly. But ultimately, you pay your money, you take your chance.
And it’s not as if there aren’t rogue operations happily continuing to operate under MGA or UKGC licenses.
With Curacao the essence is this: the licensing is weak, but well-managed casinos still use it for their own reasons. So long as those casinos remain well-managed, you can trust them. If things change in future, I’m sure we’ll hear about it quickly. But ultimately, you pay your money, you take your chance.
And it’s not as if there aren’t rogue operations happily continuing to operate under MGA or UKGC licenses.
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I couldn't have said it better. Just because of a Curacao license, it doesn't mean by definition that the casino is bad, although UKGC and MGA might offer additional security for the player if shit hits the fan.
As for BitStarz, no other licensing than the Curacao one allows us to be as flexible with cryptocurrencies (which is a substantial part of our business), and that would again be our reason for sticking with it.
But as for the Curacao Licensed casinos, I think it really puts an extra emphasis on us as operators to show that we take responsibility, are active in forums and try to be transparent, despite having a license that might not be as highly regarded as others.
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I think this pretty much nails it. Some Curacao operators are unadulterated crap and deserve all the scorn they rightly receive. Others are some of the best and most trusted operators that we've worked with in the 20 years that Bryan and I have been in the business.
Clearly it's the operators that matter, the licensing jurisdiction itself is virtually a non-entity. This is not news. It wasn't too many years ago when that same observation applied to the industry as a whole. Curacao just happens to be a bit of a dinosaur in that it hasn't evolved (much) with the times.
As to the OP's crusade that Curacao licenses "don't exist" I think I'd rather have someone who knows what they are talking about comment on that. Frankly the legalese of it isn't of particular interest to us because, as indicated above, until relatively recently Curacao was not significantly different than anywhere else. The legal status of a good many licensing jurisdictions is a matter of debate, it often depends who you talk to.
So yes, today Curacao is a feeble excuse for a licensing jurisdiction, but so is Panama and Antigua and Costa Rica and ... etc, etc, the list goes on. TBH Gibraltar, for instance, isn't a whole lot better IMO -- it was a few years ago but that was then and this is now -- in that players get treated as Gib sees fit and there is nothing in place to allow players to appeal their decisions or seek arbitration. We could continue in this vein for quite some time.
The bottom line is that decent licensing jurisdictions -- meaning those backed by and accountable to the laws of the state, with proper regulatory oversight, good principles of operation and/or codes of conduct for their licensees, and a meaningful appeals and arbitration process -- are very much rarer than most people realize.
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Great summary.
I think you don't even have to go as far as Gibraltar. The MGA was not much of a licence in the first years of its existence either. In fact, they changed only in the last few years with the last major change being in Jan 2019. Until then, any casino could have just ONE single game running under the MGA licence and the rest under whatever they preferred, yet were still allowed to display the MGA logo. And that is just one aspect, I am sure some of the veteran casino managers/reps can remember the Wild West days in Malta.
And let's not forget that many casinos that are today at the top of the list started with a Curacao licence before acquiring one from the MGA, UKGC etc. once the were able to afford them.
EDIT: Just for nostalgic reasons, we should all remember the days of Kahnawake. At the time, it was the only licence a player could trust.
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Damn it. I guess Agent Scully and Detective Mulder will be hitting this thread pretty hard soon.
Edit: Spelling
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Moulder eh?
Come on now..
Its Mulder goddamnit!
Come on now..
Its Mulder goddamnit!
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I want to believe, that I don't spell like a 5-year-old. I blame the lack of coffee this morning.
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Haha, thanks man. Only half Swedish, but I do speak the language though : )
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That counts.
Then we can communicate in the superior language.
To make sure the "others" dont try to cheat with google-translate, i will do it in the code all Swedes know.
Dodetot äror lolitote foföror momycockoketot enongogelolsosmomänon hohäror, vovisossostot?
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Haha. The good ol' "Rövarspråket" I presume. And I agree with what you just said
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Haha. The good ol' "Rövarspråket" I presume. And I agree with what you just said
Haha, yeah.
Most advanced code there is!
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