Betfair “updating RTP”

[thr0b]

Probably applies equally to Paddy Power.

Shafting RTP incoming:-

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[4048]

Seems more and more casinos are using these "updated" RTPs.

Logged in to Energy the other day and was greeted by a similar message.

More worrying are how many of the casinos won't inform the players. It's shitty but at least some of them shares the information, as far as I'm aware it's not required by them?

 

[goatwack]

Ah, excellent. They're doing updates to increase RTPs, at last

 

[hugobroke]

At least they decided to be upfront about it.

Would be interesting to know where this leaves providers like BTG with fixed RTPs - will they consider creating new games with lower RTPs that fit the changing casino business model or succumb to providing games with sliding RTPs to ensure the casinos keep taking their games?

 

[YouTubeSlots]

There all at it now. Don't even know if any UK casinos still run at the highest rtp.

 

[kennygamerboy]

before i gamstopped i was playing a lot of great rhino megaways and chilli heat and magic cauldron and book of dead on betfair and PP they where playing really good then boom i couldn’t load any pragmatic play slots for 2 days it would just be a blank screen then they came back and played awful then book of dead went down over night one night no this isn’t a tinfoil hat theory but i suspect they’ve lowered them already and yet more validation of why quitting was the best choice i made these greedy company’s are taking the piss now. was hard to win but even harder now when your deposits are eaten in a minute on £10 low deposits with zero play time. a company that size and they still wanna skimp and con people as much as possible ??

 

[bamberfishcake]

At least they had the professionalism to email customers, unlike some I can think of...'cough'..'cough'....'Unibet, cough'....

 

[hugobroke]

these greedy company’s are taking the piss now.

I don't think a company like Betfair is taking this decision lightly - the games were profitable enough before - it's most likely there isn't the slush of money about due to the reduction in the number of players as the tougher income / KYC regulations take force. They can either make less money or do something to try and maintain their income levels.

 

[dunover]

Update is clearly the euphemism for "we are carrying out significant product shrinkage so suck it up or fuck-off."

 

[slot_zombie]

I'm sure Mr Q won't hold out for much longer, and then that will be pretty much it..?

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Bet365 just got a load of Pragmatics at top RTP too. They will get my money anyway as I'm self excluded from all but sports and exchange at Betfair. Paddy Power will no doubt shrink their RTP too. Roulette is where I will be playing now,alongside BTG.

 

[dunover]

I'm sure Mr Q won't hold out for much longer, and then that will be pretty much it..?

I hope so, they are one of the best outfits left atm.

 

[pinnit2014]

Mr Q are pretty much the only outfit left in town. Everyone who complains about videoslots battles loading should really put their money where mouth is ;-)

 

[YouTubeSlots]

Its not a matter of if, but when. In my opinion.
There all gonna fall in line with the same low RTP's sooner or later as we all expected.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Bet365 just got a load of Pragmatics at top RTP too. They will get my money anyway as I'm self excluded from all but sports and exchange at Betfair. Paddy Power will no doubt shrink their RTP too. Roulette is where I will be playing now,alongside BTG.

Yes you wouldn’t think it by looking at their site, but bet365 is now a very good place to play. All still on top RTP and you won’t have a problem getting paid out. With the recent adding of pragmatic also.

It’s a shame that whoever did the layout is stuck 10 yrs behind the current trend in games. Lots of decent games to play there but you’ll have to search to find them. Why not just do a provider layout ffs??

Bit like the 32Red TV add campaigns. Whatever clown is behind those selection of games being at the forefront needs sacking immediately. Jeez.

 

[satchnz]

Bet365 have become an even better proposition now they are adding Prags. Them and MrQ ftw. Pity that MrQ have recently added a few games from a provider I’ve not seen before, and all their games are in the 92-94% RTP range.

 

[mack341]

I wonder what the running costs are for the server side of the operation; say betfair have a slot that no one touches, very unpopular, can they and the slot provider afford to just have it sitting there. Perhaps there'll be a pruning of the number of slots offered in the future?

And Unibet have recently emailed me:

If you were a fan of Thunderstruck II, one of Microgaming’s most popular slots, we have some fantastic news for you. Microgaming have released a brand new sequel! Thunderstruck II: Mega Moolah is here.

With 243 ways to win and multpliers up to 8,000 x your stake, there’s never been a better time to get reacquainted with Thor!

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With shite rtp there will never be a better time to run a mile from this.

I wonder if the casinos are going to now rely more on jackpot slots, with rolling figures always over a £million as bait.

 

[goatwack]

That's all it ever is now, the pursuit and promoting the big wins....players have been conditioned into acceptance of the high-variance math in just about every game that casinos are more than happy to shave RTP off everywhere, because the micro-wins just won't do, and are so 2015.

What difference does it make to your average punter's session whether the RTP's 95 or 93 percent, when all they've been taught is to hone in on the Big Win animations. Even TV ads show high- stakes betting is normalized, ooh, congratulations, you've won £4000 on Book of Dead. No 13p wins here! The future's big. Write that down

And they can stop with the Jackpotization of popular games. That grates more than Megaways

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[johnnymcc1966]

That's all it ever is now, the pursuit and promoting the big wins....players have been conditioned into acceptance of the high-variance math in just about every game that casinos are more than happy to shave RTP off everywhere, because the micro-wins just won't do, and are so 2015.

What difference does it make to your average punter's session whether the RTP's 95 or 93 percent, when all they've been taught is to hone in on the Big Win animations. Even TV ads show high- stakes betting is normalized, ooh, congratulations, you've won £4000 on Book of Dead. No 13p wins here! The future's big. Write that down

And they can stop with the Jackpotization of popular games. That grates more than Megaways

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Aren't you from the UK? That is a quite shocking way of describing the numerous branches of the science of mathematics!

 

[goatwack]

Aren't you from the UK? That is a quite shocking way of describing the numerous branches of the science of mathematics!

I actually loathe writing that, as I'm always the first to slate Math instead of Maths. It was also the first time, and look what happens!

Oh the shame!

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Log into paddy and there is a notification about RTP reduction.

Tbf at least they present a table showing how they are shaving a couple of %

 

[johnnymcc1966]

Log into paddy and there is a notification about RTP reduction.

Tbf at least they present a table showing how they are shaving a couple of %

I knew it wouldn't be long.

 

[09237653]

And here's the reason I mostly play fixed rtp games now.

They might as well send you an email saying, clearly you enjoy playing these games so we're increasing our house edge on all of them, thanks for the money suckers and f*ck you, Betfair .

 

[deleted20230517]

Why dont you all pitch in quite an amount of cash and raise on of your own, in the UK and with a 96% RTP.

I dont get it why most of these casino's are shafting the RTP. You got a winning formula anyway in hands, keep the costs low, and you have a winner in hand.

 

[abuyang]

This is a strange kind of industry. Instead of going out of business, they simply reduce their RTPs. Where will it end? Will it ever end?

 

[lord flashheart]

I dont get it why most of these casino's are shafting the RTP. You got a winning formula anyway in hands, keep the costs low, and you have a winner in hand.

If the industry is being forced to decide how much a player can spend or introduce mandatory limits for under 25s then they're going to yeet the max RTPs to compensate for potential losses.

Even if that legislation wasn't in place they would have eventually done it as I'm sure some places started doing it when license fees and POC taxes were increased - now it's just being pushed through quicker.

 

[TheAddict]

Thought id have a small session on BOD at 1 line since this change.
Might get these wins in slightly the wrong order but it should still be a fairly accurate description of how it went.


approximately 30 base game hits during 40 minute sessions..
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
10x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x
5x

Free spins feature did drop somewhere inbetween for entertainment value and to provide extra dead spin credits: 17x

Not quite hitting the 94% return but damn, what a ride.

 

[dec2008mcl]

Anyone still playing online slots these days are simply pathologically addicted, happy to give their money away, or in rare occasions both.

 

[TheAddict]

you've gotta be addicted (fair one, look at my name) to play this shit at 94% . figured I'd see if it was capable of anything at all since my previous comment and added another 1hour and 45 mins to the previous session of nothingness. approx 160 base game wins in total for 2.5 hours all combined, wins worth mentioning were 10x 10x 10x and after 1.5 hours, finally a 25x. The other roughly 157 base game hits being 5x.
probably took 1000x loss during that time. Prolly done 2/3 million spins through this sack of shit over the years on 1 line and seen nothng like this before.
Played there betfair, makes sense why you threw out a 'play 5 quid get a 2 quid bonus' on BOD instead of the usual £1 bonus you'd send out,before you butt fu**ed the rtp. Makes sense because the game is fucking unplayable.

 

[dec2008mcl]

you've gotta be addicted (fair one, look at my name) to play this shit at 94% . figured I'd see if it was capable of anything at all since my previous comment and added another 1hour and 45 mins to the previous session of nothingness. approx 160 base game wins in total for 2.5 hours all combined, wins worth mentioning were 10x 10x 10x and after 1.5 hours, finally a 25x. The other roughly 157 base game hits being 5x.
probably took 1000x loss during that time. Prolly done 2/3 million spins through this sack of shit over the years on 1 line and seen nothng like this before.
Played there betfair, makes sense why you threw out a 'play 5 quid get a 2 quid bonus' on BOD instead of the usual £1 bonus you'd send out,before you butt fu**ed the rtp. Makes sense because the game is fucking unplayable.

They are all gettin fucked from the upcoming gambling review. Cashing in before that. They’ll be lucky if they don’t have to answer for the hundreds of suicides that have happened here (uk). Jack Ritchies inquest has opened the door

 

[Toshy]

Reading this forum makes me thankful I gave up. I remember the times when you actually got a run with your deposit. Then it just seemed like reload after reload.

 

[goatwack]

Session-building is all but a lost art anyway, replaced with games that most wouldn't have a prayer in succeeding on, because of their insanely high variance. Chances of getting any sort of return is negligible, and so thousands would likely have minor flutters on such games, before moving on. And I think companies know this, and prefer it....everyone takes part, no one really wins ?

More often than not players will continue partaking of their favourite old games purely out of habit and routine, it doesn't necessarily indicate addiction. A lot of games ride on players' memories of previous good hits, and the feelings that encapsulates. Problem is when said games are shorn of RTP, and so become unrecognizable, and a shadow of their former selves. Ain't nobody got time for that.

When the games are so clearly gimped across the board it's probably worth taking a step back and evaluating whether pouring money into such money pits is ultimately even a fun endeavour, or whether any entertainment has been had. Because at current pisstaking levels, I'd take a guess at 'no'. Vote with your proverbial wallet, break the cycle and start getting some autonomy back, whilst telling these companies their products are sub-par. It's easier to do than you think

 

[dec2008mcl]

Session-building is all but a lost art anyway, replaced with games that most wouldn't have a prayer in succeeding on, because of their insanely high variance. Chances of getting any sort of return is negligible, and so thousands would likely have minor flutters on such games, before moving on. And I think companies know this, and prefer it....everyone takes part, no one really wins ?

More often than not players will continue partaking of their favourite old games purely out of habit and routine, it doesn't necessarily indicate addiction. A lot of games ride on players' memories of previous good hits, and the feelings that encapsulates. Problem is when said games are shorn of RTP, and so become unrecognizable, and a shadow of their former selves. Ain't nobody got time for that.

When the games are so clearly gimped across the board it's probably worth taking a step back and evaluating whether pouring money into such money pits is ultimately even a fun endeavour, or whether any entertainment has been had. Because at current pisstaking levels, I'd take a guess at 'no'. Vote with your proverbial wallet, break the cycle and start getting some autonomy back, whilst telling these companies their products are sub-par. It's easier to do than you

If the industry relied on habit and routine they wouldn’t survive. They prey on the addicted and drain them for everything they have. Over 300 suicides a year, come on and just look at the amount of court cases of theft/fraud, to feed their online gambling routine? Tobacco companies got away for so long, online gambling companies same boat, they know their day is up,

 

[justdoit]

At least they decided to be upfront about it.

Would be interesting to know where this leaves providers like BTG with fixed RTPs - will they consider creating new games with lower RTPs that fit the changing casino business model or succumb to providing games with sliding RTPs to ensure the casinos keep taking their games?

@BTG dont need to lower RTP coz most of the time we lose playing BTG games ?

 

[justdoit]

from £20 deposit on 20p per spin this what you get

1. 96.21% = 2,613 spins
2. 94.25% = 1,722 spins
3. 91.25% = 1,132 spins
4. 87.25% = 777 spins
5. 84.18% = 626 spins