BetAt Casino is Accredited discussion

[theapple]

thank you Igor for your explanation. I do realzie its just a business and you guys gotta make some money. However, from a new players perspective, your welcome bonus with x60 wagering really looks... ugly.

and so does that 25% bonus with 25x d+b wagering (?!?), whats up with that one If it really is 25x (d+b) on with 25% bonus thats in range with some rival casino bonuses

and yes i realze your bonuses are basically risk free for a player but with those huge WR they are probably just as risk free for u guys too :=P

 

[wobble33]

Fair point, two things: i don't make individual bonuses, but i do control the approach as a business so i stand firmly behind it, or change it if i see good reason to and valid player input. This thread alone tracked many changes over time we did

i'm looking at the statistics and the proof is in the pudding, proverbially speaking. We give back more than we take, as a fact (and this is really not a marketing pitch - i think my past threads contest to my transparency).

Notwithstanding all else, most reload bonuses as our active player base will contest to are anywhere between x5 and x10. Some go as low as x1 and some as high as x20 - but it's all relevant to the player type and their loyalty. Most "active player" base deposit bonuses offered (not ones open to all) are between x30 and x40, again, some are direct cash matches for cash player types. Existing players over time have max bets raised and lifted to meet their style of play.

On the other hand, any bonus that is "open to all" is stringent. Rather than offering one-for-all experience and making sure we're safe, we designed the system which tailors to player instead. I'm not defending it - it's just a matter of fact, i don't see it as a negative.


wobble, while you noted that the bonus was a 25% at 25 b+d - (and frankly that should have been B, i'll have a word with marketing) - December calendar had 8 NDB rewards from 5ers to 150s, 8 Deposit matches (14 deposit matches if someone signed in December as they would have their 6 dep welcome SUB) ranging from 25 to 200% and 8 direct cashback rewards based on either game play (volume only, win or lose) or lose based. as a whole - that's a lot of free

I love constructive criticism, and rather than ignore it i always try to either explain why, or if i cant - change it for the better. I'll take up the 25% match and look into the maths behind why my marketing decided to go down that route and see if there was a better option, while keeping it cost effective. From other end - if there was, it would probably mean giving less away - balance, no?

Actually i'll say what i should have come in and said a few days ago, but missed it - Merry Xmas to ya'all and i hope your holidays are going smashin' well so far

igor

so really you need to be at a decent level to get decent promos? and wr?

that's fine but not really that fair tbh on the player who only deposits when they can. and gets lumped with that wr x60. I myself have never won here and about £800 down.

I notice everytime I get a bonus, I try to take the 100% ones, I bet big about £3- £6 a spin before I touch the bonus. but never ever had a big win early. so I am crippled with bonus money and that quite staggering x60 wr..

 

[Igor82]

and yes i realze your bonuses are basically risk free for a player but with those huge WR they are probably just as risk free for u guys too :=P

So-so, about 28% of issued SUB's get's cashed. The maths work out. However you are RIGHT 100% - for a new player it's not as friendly as some other places. True value kicks in after the SUB here, but try sellting that message through a banner.

It's a pickle really - go low and lock deposits in, be another <insert casino name here> with fairly decent service, or try do something new and change things around. The latter isn't always best received, but i'd be lying to you if i said it wasn't working.

It's a matter of a switch for my team to change the bonus system and id like to develop something that keep the loyal customers that appreciate the freedom of their funds, while not having to go through pages of forums explaining the system to the people that come on the page, see x60 and bounce of without reading deeper into it.

Something to ponder for 2014. Your commentary hasnt fallen on deaf ears and the solution is there. It needs me thinking cap though.

 

[wobble33]

So-so, about 28% of issued SUB's get's cashed. The maths work out. However you are RIGHT 100% - for a new player it's not as friendly as some other places. True value kicks in after the SUB here, but try sellting that message through a banner.

It's a pickle really - go low and lock deposits in, be another <insert casino name here> with fairly decent service, or try do something new and change things around. The latter isn't always best received, but i'd be lying to you if i said it wasn't working.

It's a matter of a switch for my team to change the bonus system and id like to develop something that keep the loyal customers that appreciate the freedom of their funds, while not having to go through pages of forums explaining the system to the people that come on the page, see x60 and bounce of without reading deeper into it.

Something to ponder for 2014. Your commentary hasnt fallen on deaf ears and the solution is there. It needs me thinking cap though.

igor

great post, your obviously a very intelligent guy, and a very good rep. happy x mas and new year to you too..

 

[Igor82]

igor

I bet big about £3- £6 a spin before I touch the bonus. but never ever had a big win early. so I am crippled with bonus money and that quite staggering x60 wr..

well that's a double edged sword. either you hit it or you bust out early becuase the bet is too big for the bankroll. What surprises me though is that the system still gives you bonuses with Max bet rules.

After your third deposit, the system look s at bet patterns and adjusts the risk rating. Loyal customer with larger bets get migrated to a group more suited to their style. I'll take a look at your account and be in touch directly.

As for any query that relates to feelings of unjust relationship management, whether being bonus WR too high based on your contributions, or lack of loyalty rewards in general - under MY ACCOUNT at the top, there is a link "email Casino Manager"

That link gives you direct line to Me (CEO) and Karl (Head of Casino). *use it!*

Sometimes, the complexity of the system will be its downfall - while striving to give the most tailored service, we fail at simple things.

Thanks for the thread update, i've enjoyed it. Something to chew on

 

[wobble33]

well that's a double edged sword. either you hit it or you bust out early becuase the bet is too big for the bankroll. What surprises me though is that the system still gives you bonuses with Max bet rules.

After your third deposit, the system look s at bet patterns and adjusts the risk rating. Loyal customer with larger bets get migrated to a group more suited to their style. I'll take a look at your account and be in touch directly.

As for any query that relates to feelings of unjust relationship management, whether being bonus WR too high based on your contributions, or lack of loyalty rewards in general - under MY ACCOUNT at the top, there is a link "email Casino Manager"

That link gives you direct line to Me (CEO) and Karl (Head of Casino). *use it!*

Sometimes, the complexity of the system will be its downfall - while striving to give the most tailored service, we fail at simple things.

Thanks for the thread update, i've enjoyed it. Something to chew on

igor

the system might not of picked this up because I can bet 0.60p up to £6.00..depends when the blood is rushing to my head, and go on TILT lol....

 

[dionysus]

Here's my player perspective.
My game style is generally I chuck in 100 bucks on the weekend (it's when I get paid and I'm not a big bar person, so it's my weekend entertainment).

I don't often take bonuses these days because my 100% at casino X has a deposit+bonus with 30x wr, so while I've got extra funds, right off, I'm playing with a WR and if i hit I gotta grind it out. So, unless I'm broke and playing 50, I'll take it to get the 100 for playtime, but otherwise, just play my deposit bonus free.
The other exception is (was) Intercasino, because their WR was 15X..low WR, but games were tough was Hell.

So then here, I get my 100, AND a 100, but the WR is huge. But for me, that's ok. Why? Because now, if I hit, I don't have to ride the WR-train til 6am and into exhaustion (only when I don't lol).

So ya, WR might be big.
But here's my choice -

A: 100+100 and WR out of the gate
B: 100 to play and win, if I go broke, I'v still got 100 to enjoy. Might not make WR (I have loads of times by the way..slow and steady wins the race) but I've that extra shot when I bust out.

There's loads of good operators for straight up deposits. Several have great service, promos and comps for example, and I'll play them as often but I'll do the straight up dep (other casinos too for diff games). But for wr-free dep then high wr as a back-up?... I'll take the bonus, because, if I'm playing the 100 regardless, what have I got to lose? Nothing, it's an extra 100, even if big WR and I still get to play my dep WR free to start with. For me, it's a player's win-win: wr free dep, extra shot as a follow-up

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I can certainly see the appeal of it one level, but for me I'd just see that bonus as dead money before I even started.

The other issue is at what point do you decide to forfeit the bonus and run with your deposit + winnings?

Let's say you deposit 100 and quickly get up to 200, you're then faced with the problem of do you take the 200, lose the bonus and end the session, or carry on playing? RTP's going to get you in the end.....

When I take a bonus I generally see it as a way to extend my playtime and I view the WR as a 'target' to reach and signal the end of the session.

With the model at BetAt I'd almost be hoping not to hit big early on, because the sensible thing to do at that point is withdraw the deposit + winnings and lose the bonus, which goes back to my original point i.e. what's the point in having the bonus at all?

 

[dionysus]

well, I guess it depends what your withdraw point is. For me, it's 1k, or 3-500 if I'm broke. Same if I do or dont take a bonus. So whether I have that 100 back-up is moot to me anyway, since I'm playing my dep and it doesnt come into play at this point. It's like a cheap pizza in the freezer, I know it's there, but there's a delivery pizza in my hands, so what does it matter til I'm hungry again.

So I don't see when to withdraw as a problem...you withdraw as you would when you would anyway. Ignore the bonus like it's not there. It's just extra playtime if i go broke, with a chance, maybe small, of making playthrough, but a small chance to me, is better than the no chance with the straight up deposit.

So, ya the sensible thing is to withdraw your winnings. I mean, that's what we want...to win and withdraw. So then why take a bonus? Because I can have a piss-poor session and go out in 5 min.

 

[Igor82]

I can certainly see the appeal of it one level, but for me I'd just see that bonus as dead money before I even started.

The other issue is at what point do you decide to forfeit the bonus and run with your deposit + winnings?

Let's say you deposit 100 and quickly get up to 200, you're then faced with the problem of do you take the 200, lose the bonus and end the session, or carry on playing? RTP's going to get you in the end.....

When I take a bonus I generally see it as a way to extend my playtime and I view the WR as a 'target' to reach and signal the end of the session.

With the model at BetAt I'd almost be hoping not to hit big early on, because the sensible thing to do at that point is withdraw the deposit + winnings and lose the bonus, which goes back to my original point i.e. what's the point in having the bonus at all?

I really have to say i dont follow

so if you go up quickly to 200 - isnt it better to have the OPTION of withdrawing? If you decide to keep playing and try your luck for bigger balance, you are still playing with real. If 200 become 800, it's still real. That 100 bonus is being turned over regardless and can be discarded at any time you wish - you can take your 800 after only 2k of wagering - who cares?... And say you decide to keep playing and after 3-4k of wagering RTP does finally get you, even though you had a decent start; you have the 100 in bonnie, some 2-3K left on your wagering and you keep going as you normally would. If you hit big again, your balance turns real and off you go.

you had an option to take your money out with no strings attached, you had the option to continue and go for large and you still had the balance supplement as promised. I just for the life of me cant see the wrong in that. For me as a player, which i am quite passionately, i always hated and i do mean hated being locked down to a specific wagering amount - this is where it all came from.

I always look at my B&M experience and say, ok i may not get 2for 1 but if i walk in, i get to walk out and there is no guy at the door shaking his finger at me. i love the freedom in that.

I'm seriously going to consider ways to bring the WR down for the average joe that is used to having their money tied in - they like that package, it's been served for so long its the norm now. But what scares me is that if i/we do cave in to the run-of-the-mill approach, our unique opportunity to dish out 8, 10, 15 dep matches per month and all else will have to take a hit. I don't know if you registered but there isnt a moment when you go to deposit and there isnt "something" there - and rightly so, that "something" simply gets better and better longer you're with us.

it's starting to sound like a sales pitch, which i didn't want - but above is the mentality that pushed us into risking the introduction of something new, rather than go with tried and tested (which is easier to do). i cant tell you if its better or worse, i think everyone has a taste of their own and every taste is justified. I just personally cant see the program as being deficient toward the experience. For me, it's the opposite.

 

[theapple]

Igor i doubt anyone wants you guys to go broke, or make too easy to complete bonuses (aka betfair fiasco lol)

What i wanted to say in my previous posts is this - while your current bonus set up is (miles) above the usual 'cant leave before u wager 12.000 with ur $50 deposit' bonuses offered at most casinos, your x60 wagering looks ... alarming in new players eyes. Thats all, no more no less. It just screams 60 timeeeeees. Sixty times your bonus. 60

lets face it most new players wont spend hours trying to decypher T&C, so naturally they wont be aware how your bonus doesnt actually tie ur money down (at least not right away). Even then some (like me for example) still wont take that bonus because i simply dont feel it offers... enough.
Not that its not good enough (because to some extent its actually a quite decent bonus offer), its just that it comes with that 'you cant beat this bonus' feeling attached to it. sort of.

Sure IF i want to play a bonus free session, im more likely to chose ur casino over others, and take your bonus instead. But if im looking for a bonus-supported(funded?) session and im short on money, im much more likely to go to some other casino that has lets say 15-25x wagering on 100% bonus, simply because i feel like that one is achievable while ther other one is not.

cheers,
me

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I really have to say i dont follow

so if you go up quickly to 200 - isnt it better to have the OPTION of withdrawing? If you decide to keep playing and try your luck for bigger balance, you are still playing with real. If 200 become 800, it's still real. That 100 bonus is being turned over regardless and can be discarded at any time you wish - you can take your 800 after only 2k of wagering - who cares?... And say you decide to keep playing and after 3-4k of wagering RTP does finally get you, even though you had a decent start; you have the 100 in bonnie, some 2-3K left on your wagering and you keep going as you normally would. If you hit big again, your balance turns real and off you go.

you had an option to take your money out with no strings attached, you had the option to continue and go for large and you still had the balance supplement as promised. I just for the life of me cant see the wrong in that. For me as a player, which i am quite passionately, i always hated and i do mean hated being locked down to a specific wagering amount - this is where it all came from.

I always look at my B&M experience and say, ok i may not get 2for 1 but if i walk in, i get to walk out and there is no guy at the door shaking his finger at me. i love the freedom in that.

I'm seriously going to consider ways to bring the WR down for the average joe that is used to having their money tied in - they like that package, it's been served for so long its the norm now. But what scares me is that if i/we do cave in to the run-of-the-mill approach, our unique opportunity to dish out 8, 10, 15 dep matches per month and all else will have to take a hit. I don't know if you registered but there isnt a moment when you go to deposit and there isnt "something" there - and rightly so, that "something" simply gets better and better longer you're with us.

it's starting to sound like a sales pitch, which i didn't want - but above is the mentality that pushed us into risking the introduction of something new, rather than go with tried and tested (which is easier to do). i cant tell you if its better or worse, i think everyone has a taste of their own and every taste is justified. I just personally cant see the program as being deficient toward the experience. For me, it's the opposite.

I really do appreciate your input Igor and it's great to be able to directly discuss stuff like this with you

I suppose I have two different mindsets when it comes to playing online slots (and I am 99.9% a slots player), and it depends on whether or not I'm playing with a bonus.

If I'm playing with a bonus then I expect there to be a WR attached, and for me to have to make that WR to withdraw. As such I see the WR as my 'target' for that deposit, and when I meet WR I can withdraw if I don't bust out first. For me playing with a bonus is like settling down for the long haul, knowing I have the bonus to boost my bankroll, but also that I have to meet WR before I can withdraw. Hitting big early on and having to make WR before withdrawal doesn't really bother me, to avoid that the player just doesn't take a bonus in the first place!

If I'm playing without a bonus then I'm looking to win, and if I get a decent hit I am looking to withdraw pretty sharpish, because I'm just there to try and win. If I bust out before that happens then fair enough.

So the thing with your SUB is that I'd kind of be in Mindset #2 (win and withdraw) when actually I should be there for Mindset #1 (boost my bankroll, get a decent length play session, and hopefully make WR), because at the back of mind I'd always be thinking it's unlikely I'll make 60xB WR so I need to get out with real funds ASAP.

It's hard to explain I suppose, but your SUB to me conflates two different things and leaves me thinking I'd rather play a 'normal' bonus with a smaller WR. If I want to avoid WRs then I just don't takes bonuses!

 

[Igor82]

If I'm playing with a bonus then I expect there to be a WR attached, and for me to have to make that WR to withdraw. As such I see the WR as my 'target' for that deposit, and when I meet WR I can withdraw if I don't bust out first. For me playing with a bonus is like settling down for the long haul, knowing I have the bonus to boost my bankroll, but also that I have to meet WR before I can withdraw. Hitting big early on and having to make WR before withdrawal doesn't really bother me, to avoid that the player just doesn't take a bonus in the first place!

That post in general (the bit i didnt quote too) was actually incredibly insightful, you see i never looked at it from that perspective. im willing to be there are more people that perceive gaming the way you do. I'll have to crunch this one.

So far facts are: 60x WR is too high for players that either 1) wont bother reading for benefits or 2) love the bonus for the bonus sake and its a deterrent

Aim is to drop that but sustain the generosity to the crowd that appreciates the current ways at BETAT as well as new ones that like the different approach...

Challenge accepted.

 

[theapple]

but Chopley, you can actually play 'without' a bonus on betat, while still having a backup bonus to act as the last line of defence :=P

basically, with their bonuses set up as it is now, theres no reason why should you ever play at some other casino if you want a bonus free session. sure that 60x wr does look a bit nasty but as i already said, its basically a bonus free 'bonus' where you dont really have to pay attention to wagering at all, until you lose ur deposited funds. and when you do, theres still a bonus (with a bit steep wagering though, lol) left to play with. So even if you find that bonus almost impossible to wager, its just something on top you wouldnt get playing in other casinos at the first place.

Now when i think about it, its probably the only bonus thats actually a bonus, in its purest meaning.

 

[Igor82]

but Chopley, you can actually play 'without' a bonus on betat, while still having a backup bonus to act as the last line of defence :=P

basically, with their bonuses set up as it is now, theres no reason why should you ever play at some other casino if you want a bonus free session. sure that 60x wr does look a bit nasty but as i already said, its basically a bonus free 'bonus' where you dont really have to pay attention to wagering at all, until you lose ur deposited funds. and when you do, theres still a bonus (with a bit steep wagering though, lol) left to play with. So even if you find that bonus almost impossible to wager, its just something on top you wouldnt get playing in other casinos at the first place.

Now when i think about it, its probably the only bonus thats actually a bonus, in its purest meaning.

lol, we have an opening in our PR department

 

[ChopleyIOM]

but Chopley, you can actually play 'without' a bonus on betat, while still having a backup bonus to act as the last line of defence :=P

basically, with their bonuses set up as it is now, theres no reason why should you ever play at some other casino if you want a bonus free session. sure that 60x wr does look a bit nasty but as i already said, its basically a bonus free 'bonus' where you dont really have to pay attention to wagering at all, until you lose ur deposited funds. and when you do, theres still a bonus (with a bit steep wagering though, lol) left to play with. So even if you find that bonus almost impossible to wager, its just something on top you wouldnt get playing in other casinos at the first place.

Now when i think about it, its probably the only bonus thats actually a bonus, in its purest meaning.

Well yes but if I'm going to play on a straight deposit I could do it at 3Dice (boost my VIP status), or Videoslots (climb the Monthly Race Leaderboard and earn cashback), or Jackpot Party (chance of hitting a JPP and earn loyalty points) and so on.

To me bonus play and straight deposit play are two very different things, which is also why I tend to avoid post-wager bonuses or bonuses that unlock in stages. (The only thing I don't like about Videoslots is the way their SUB works.)

For me a bonus is an amount that's added to your balance upfront, with a sensible WR, and if you make that WR then you can withdraw - that's the 'rules of the game' if you will.

It's cool that Igor has tried something different with BetAt, but all I really see is that 60xB WR and think, 'Hmmmm, maybe not'.

 

[theapple]

Well yes but if I'm going to play on a straight deposit I could do it at 3Dice (boost my VIP status), or Videoslots (climb the Monthly Race Leaderboard and earn cashback), or Jackpot Party (chance of hitting a JPP and earn loyalty points) and so on.

To me bonus play and straight deposit play are two very different things, which is also why I tend to avoid post-wager bonuses or bonuses that unlock in stages. (The only thing I don't like about Videoslots is the way their SUB works.)

For me a bonus is an amount that's added to your balance upfront, with a sensible WR, and if you make that WR then you can withdraw - that's the 'rules of the game' if you will.

It's cool that Igor has tried something different with BetAt, but all I really see is that 60xB WR and think, 'Hmmmm, maybe not'.

no, actually thats the rule made by people who own casinos and want to make as much money as possible. Simple as that

That rule wasnt made because of me, you or some other average Joe, nor was it made because they like us that much. It was proven to bring the most money to casinos (most people never manage to complete their wagering) and thats the only reason why casinos are using it. And as all rules, its not really set in stone (proven by guts free spins, or betat bonus system, and probably some more too).

the other part of your post, not sure how betat loyalty or leaderboards work, but i suppose they have one too? I never actually played there. Only made account like a couple of months ago but it was just about that time when i decided to stop playing slots (or cut it down by some 95% if you wish ) so never actually deposited or tried it to know more about their loyalty system, if theres one to begin with

yea, just found a mail BETAT Casino ([email protected])Add to contacts 9/6/2013. if thats this casino we are talking about at all, not sure really

lol, we have an opening in our PR department

yea im that good, almost managed to convince myself to give it a shot but im kinda done gambling so even if i do it wont be just yet (exhausted my self imposed limit of 2 deposits a month already).

 

[ChopleyIOM]

no, actually thats the rule made by people who own casinos and want to make as much money as possible. Simple as that

That rule wasnt made because of me, you or some other average Joe, nor was it made because they like us that much. It was proven to bring the most money to casinos (most people never manage to complete their wagering) and thats the only reason why casinos are using it. And as all rules, its not really set in stone (proven by guts free spins, or betat bonus system, and probably some more too).

Well yes but BetEu is there to make money as well, they've just loaded the SUB in a different way so that the casino expects to win same as on a traditional WR (Hence that 60xB WR which compensates for the ability to withdraw whenever you want.)

All I'm saying is that I quite like the 'old' bonus system

 

[homerbert]

Interesting discussion.
Yes, 60x WR is quite impossible to clear, except you running like a god. But this compensated by ability wd if you not take bonus. Something like NDB without max. cashout if you lost your deposit.
But sometimes i preffer usual bonus sticked to balance. This happens when i want playtime, not just hit something and withdraw losing bonus. If you ask did i like betat bonuses, i simply answer that as customer i quite happy with their bonus system.

 

[dunover]

Hey Chopley

Both the real money and bonus money wagered contribute to WR. It's just a compensation of one for the other really - While your dep funds are free, once you eat into the bonus your balance is locked until completing the WR. However, since all your real money wagers were contributing toward WR anyway by the time you are using the bonnie, far less than the 60x required remains.

The way i see it is, if i risk my cash and lady luck is on my side, i'm free to take my monies and enjoy it. If not, there is extra in there to extend my game play and offer more chances.

I hope that clears it

Ig

My opinion now!

A good point with regarding freedom to sacrifice your bonus and withdraw any cash you have at any time as long as you haven't bitten into the bonus. So, would I prefer to have a 60x bonus WR with the freedom to cashout provided I haven't bitten the bonus, or a 30x WR but I either achieve total WR and thus convert the whole bonus or bust out. Chopley prefers the latter as it guarantees he'll have a long session and thus an objective. I tend to achieve the latter over half the times I take it, as it's a decent deal.

On the other hand, I have bust out before many times after getting my 50 cash deposit to over 300 quid without biting the bonus, because I couldn't withdraw like in Igor's 60x scenario.

Then there's the third type we see, like Wintingo and Virgin whereby the bonus is ONLY paid in cash in increments as you meet WR and you can still cashout at any time. So if you have a high RTP session, the bonus is almost like free cash being dripped into your balance as you go. On the other hand, if you have crap play, you never get near the total maximum cash amount as you run out of funds before it's fully converted.

The clearpay bonus system which either FL or VPL? had/have on their MG casinos was my favourite - the 30xWR bonus converted in 10% increments and you could withdraw at any time. So if you had say converted 20 quid of your 100 quid SUB in the process of turning your initial 100 quid cash deposit into say 800 quid, you could withdraw that 800 (of which 780 would be your 100 cash deposit plus 680 cash winnings plus 20 quid converted bonus) and simply forfeit the 80 quid uncashed remainder of the bonus.

So, in two of my examples above Chopley is correct in that the bonus is pointless as you only use it if you don't make a cash profit. It's not totally pointless though if without biting it you can convert and keep some of it i.e. it's released in increments as cash. I don't know if Igors bonus does this or if it's 'all or nothing'.

Now as Igor says you'd really need your thinking cap to get a decent alternative or 'new' idea whereas bonuses are concerned.

I'd like the bonuses simple but flexible on a 'do you feel lucky basis' - in other words offer a choice like this:

SUB! You choose! 200% no cashout until whole 30 X WR is met OR 150% 45 X WR released 10% a time and cashouts allowed if you haven't touched the bonus funds OR 100% 60X WR released 25% a time with any time cashouts if not used.

The player can decide what suits his type of play and games he plays before making his choice. Chopley would probably go for the first, I'd choose the last. All offer similar chances of success to complete the whole bonus.

 

[Igor82]

My 2 pence to above is that when we built it, we integrated clear play into it so it's possible to have them slow release today. Portion of our user base uses it but it's not officially shown due to over-complexity. Too much choice is as bad as no choice at all.

I'll be chewing on this nut over the holidays. It raised some curious thoughts on the subject

 

[wobble33]

My opinion now!

A good point with regarding freedom to sacrifice your bonus and withdraw any cash you have at any time as long as you haven't bitten into the bonus. So, would I prefer to have a 60x bonus WR with the freedom to cashout provided I haven't bitten the bonus, or a 30x WR but I either achieve total WR and thus convert the whole bonus or bust out. Chopley prefers the latter as it guarantees he'll have a long session and thus an objective. I tend to achieve the latter over half the times I take it, as it's a decent deal.

On the other hand, I have bust out before many times after getting my 50 cash deposit to over 300 quid without biting the bonus, because I couldn't withdraw like in Igor's 60x scenario.

Then there's the third type we see, like Wintingo and Virgin whereby the bonus is ONLY paid in cash in increments as you meet WR and you can still cashout at any time. So if you have a high RTP session, the bonus is almost like free cash being dripped into your balance as you go. On the other hand, if you have crap play, you never get near the total maximum cash amount as you run out of funds before it's fully converted.

The clearpay bonus system which either FL or VPL? had/have on their MG casinos was my favourite - the 30xWR bonus converted in 10% increments and you could withdraw at any time. So if you had say converted 20 quid of your 100 quid SUB in the process of turning your initial 100 quid cash deposit into say 800 quid, you could withdraw that 800 (of which 780 would be your 100 cash deposit plus 680 cash winnings plus 20 quid converted bonus) and simply forfeit the 80 quid uncashed remainder of the bonus.

So, in two of my examples above Chopley is correct in that the bonus is pointless as you only use it if you don't make a cash profit. It's not totally pointless though if without biting it you can convert and keep some of it i.e. it's released in increments as cash. I don't know if Igors bonus does this or if it's 'all or nothing'.

Now as Igor says you'd really need your thinking cap to get a decent alternative or 'new' idea whereas bonuses are concerned.

I'd like the bonuses simple but flexible on a 'do you feel lucky basis' - in other words offer a choice like this:

SUB! You choose! 200% no cashout until whole 30 X WR is met OR 150% 45 X WR released 10% a time and cashouts allowed if you haven't touched the bonus funds OR 100% 60X WR released 25% a time with any time cashouts if not used.

The player can decide what suits his type of play and games he plays before making his choice. Chopley would probably go for the first, I'd choose the last. All offer similar chances of success to complete the whole bonus.

I am with chopley on this one. I would rather have less wr and no cashout til bonus wr met.

example

lucky24/7

50x bonus wr..still high imho...

I can play all day and enjoy it, if meet wr with winning, then fine, if I bust like I just have done, then that's fine again. but I was under no pressure to bet large to get in front early doors..thats the difference with BETat....need to get a good hit early or you are shafted...

 

[dionysus]

lol, I don't get that logic...you'd sooner a 50X WR and whether you hit early or late, youve the same funds, but WR is a guaranteed factor...vs.....a 60X WR, the same available funds and you may never have to worry about the WR

 

[wobble33]

lol, I don't get that logic...you'd sooner a 50X WR and whether you hit early or late, youve the same funds, but WR is a guaranteed factor...vs.....a 60X WR, the same available funds and you may never have to worry about the WR

did say x50wr was too high imo...

I love red flush group the best. still x30 bonus wr, and a chance to cash out when wr met. if you looked on one of the days on bet.at calenders. they also had a offer deposit £200 get £100 bonus. x25d-b.... this made x75 bonus!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I was thinking about having a go at BetAt despite the SUB structure (after all, it could work in my favour), so decided to peruse the games selection prior to registering and depositing, all the slots list a 'factory RTP' figure, which is excellent, the not so excellent bit is that a few of them seem to be wrong.

Supernova is stated as having an RTP of 98%, the Unibet rep told us here it's 97.05% - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/are-quickspin-and-mg-the-same-thing.56477/ Even if we're talking about rounding, it rounds to 97%, not 98%

Pure Platinum is stated as having an RTP of 99.7% - Really? (1) An MG slot paying 99.7%? And (2) You have that contributing 100% to a WR?

BDBA listed as 97.8% - I've seen multiple references to this slot having an RTP of 95.43%, and indeed Betway DK do list that here

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I'm seeing several other slots or games that appear to be in the slots category listed as having RTPs of over 99%, can you please confirm that these games, which are currently listed as having an RTP of 99% or higher, actually do have that RTP?

Premier Racing - Listed as 99.3%
Enchanted Woods - Listed as 99.2%
Cashapillar Scratch Card - Listed as 99.3%

There are many others in the region of 98.5% to 99%, which seems very odd for slots or games that are in the slots category. (A lot of the 'Soft Games' output.)

Also I'm assuming you've transposed the figures here, but Dogfather is listed as having an RTP of 69%

I also take exception to the wording of the 'Hot & Cold' slots list, where the text for the Cold slots is outright misleading when referring to random games, suggesting that there is an 'imminent wave of winnings' due because the slots have been paying below RTP for a period of three hours.

Some input from the casino here would be appreciated

 

[dunover]

I was thinking about having a go at BetAt despite the SUB structure (after all, it could work in my favour), so decided to peruse the games selection prior to registering and depositing, all the slots list a 'factory RTP' figure, which is excellent, the not so excellent bit is that a few of them seem to be wrong.

Supernova is stated as having an RTP of 98%, the Unibet rep told us here it's 97.05% - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/are-quickspin-and-mg-the-same-thing.56477/ Even if we're talking about rounding, it rounds to 97%, not 98%

Pure Platinum is stated as having an RTP of 99.7% - Really? (1) An MG slot paying 99.7%? And (2) You have that contributing 100% to a WR?

BDBA listed as 97.8% - I've seen multiple references to this slot having an RTP of 95.43%, and indeed Betway DK do list that here

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I'm seeing several other slots or games that appear to be in the slots category listed as having RTPs of over 99%, can you please confirm that these games, which are currently listed as having an RTP of 99% or higher, actually do have that RTP?

Premier Racing - Listed as 99.3%
Enchanted Woods - Listed as 99.2%
Cashapillar Scratch Card - Listed as 99.3%

There are many others in the region of 98.5% to 99%, which seems very odd for slots or games that are in the slots category. (A lot of the 'Soft Games' output.)

Also I'm assuming you've transposed the figures here, but Dogfather is listed as having an RTP of 69%

I also take exception to the wording of the 'Hot & Cold' slots list, where the text for the Cold slots is outright misleading when referring to random games, suggesting that there is an 'imminent wave of winnings' due because the slots have been paying below RTP for a period of three hours.

Some input from the casino here would be appreciated

You woken up in a bad mood today me old chap?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

You woken up in a bad mood today me old chap?

Do you think Pure Platinum has an RTP of 99.7%, and that there's an 'imminent wave of winnings' due from The Twisted Circus slot?

It's in the same kind of category as this advice that you received from Red Flush IMO - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casinos-sending-flawed-winning-tips-to-players.60410/

My post isn't intended to be confrontational, but it does concern me to see things like that. (I'm assuming the Pure Platinum RTP is wrong, AFAIK MG have never produced a slot with an RTP that high.)

 

[dunover]

Do you think Pure Platinum has an RTP of 99.7%, and that there's an 'imminent wave of winnings' due from The Twisted Circus slot?

It's in the same kind of category as this advice that you received from Red Flush IMO - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/casinos-sending-flawed-winning-tips-to-players.60410/

My post isn't intended to be confrontational, but it does concern me to see things like that. (I'm assuming the Pure Platinum RTP is wrong, AFAIK MG have never produced a slot with an RTP that high.)

Funny you should mention the Red Flush nonsense you linked to here. It appears 'Shane' attaches those gems of slot information to ALL his e-mails - when I joyously received yesterday my confirmation that my colossal LaVida w/d for 1770 has been processed and on it's way to my card, it was 'Shane' who signed it. And yes, those gems were at the bottom.......

I think the Pure Platinum figure is wrong, as you do. I believe that they have used a temporary figure that was on their audit at the time they posted it, the same with the other examples that differ from the MG set-percentages which should be uniform across all sites. The 'frosty' suff is not relevant, even less so as we don't don't know the exact period it pertains to as well as how many spins/total stakes have resulted in that figure. It's like the two of us having 10 spins at 10 quid each on one seldom-played game now, and getting 22.50 back each and leaving the game. Then the site could call it 'frosty' as the recent RTP was only running at 22.5%. My big shitstorm could have temporarily put TSII at 134% for all I know.
I see your consternation at this sort of advertising, but most customers don't critically analyse sites like us lot....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't so much mind them describing slots as 'hot and cold', it's like the jackpot thermometer in the download MG casinos, but at least those have the text that EXPLICITLY EXPLAINS it's for fun only and is no indication whatsoever of whether or not a jackpot is 'due'.

The problem I have with the text there is the clear implication that if a player deposits and plays a 'cold' slot, he could get his slice of the 'imminent' winnings, which is no better than saying black is due on a roulette wheel because the last five spins were red.

As for incorrect RTP figures, they make me twitchy and I don't like seeing them.

 

[dunover]

I don't so much mind them describing slots as 'hot and cold', it's like the jackpot thermometer in the download MG casinos, but at least those have the text that EXPLICITLY EXPLAINS it's for fun only and is no indication whatsoever of whether or not a jackpot is 'due'.

The problem I have with the text there is the clear implication that if a player deposits and plays a 'cold' slot, he could get his slice of the 'imminent' winnings, which is no better than saying black is due on a roulette wheel because the last five spins were red.

As for incorrect RTP figures, they make me twitchy and I don't like seeing them.

I cannot disagree factually with anything you just said. Igor is a good sort and would no doubt act on this if you PM'd him and drew his attention to these posts. Bet-at are recently accredited so there may be a few leftovers that haven't been tidied up or hitherto spotted until you noticed them. There's no way they would deliberately mislead players from my experience there. Just a bit of dodgy decoration IMO.

 

[aceking123]

plus maybe the hot & cold feature is to say the machine has been running over its 98% or whatever & another machine is running below either way its just eye candy like youve pointed out makes no odds

on another note had a bash there today , popped on the old IM it was playing very well lots of features no big hits but great game play

one thing that did cross my mind whilst taking the third feature ( rollling reels ) , ive hit the top symbols around 6 times now on the first spin across various casinos , would any of you guys know wether this would make a difference in picking the first amber feature @ x5 , i often wonder wether that would show up as often ? ? or is it just preset regardless ?

 

[dunover]

plus maybe the hot & cold feature is to say the machine has been running over its 98% or whatever & another machine is running below either way its just eye candy like youve pointed out makes no odds

on another note had a bash there today , popped on the old IM it was playing very well lots of features no big hits but great game play

one thing that did cross my mind whilst taking the third feature ( rollling reels ) , ive hit the top symbols around 6 times now on the first spin across various casinos , would any of you guys know wether this would make a difference in picking the first amber feature @ x5 , i often wonder wether that would show up as often ? ? or is it just preset regardless ?

Won't make any difference - if you're going to get a sh!te feature it will happen on whichever you pick.

 

[wobble33]

I was thinking about having a go at BetAt despite the SUB structure (after all, it could work in my favour), so decided to peruse the games selection prior to registering and depositing, all the slots list a 'factory RTP' figure, which is excellent, the not so excellent bit is that a few of them seem to be wrong.

Supernova is stated as having an RTP of 98%, the Unibet rep told us here it's 97.05% - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/are-quickspin-and-mg-the-same-thing.56477/ Even if we're talking about rounding, it rounds to 97%, not 98%

Pure Platinum is stated as having an RTP of 99.7% - Really? (1) An MG slot paying 99.7%? And (2) You have that contributing 100% to a WR?

BDBA listed as 97.8% - I've seen multiple references to this slot having an RTP of 95.43%, and indeed Betway DK do list that here

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I'm seeing several other slots or games that appear to be in the slots category listed as having RTPs of over 99%, can you please confirm that these games, which are currently listed as having an RTP of 99% or higher, actually do have that RTP?

Premier Racing - Listed as 99.3%
Enchanted Woods - Listed as 99.2%
Cashapillar Scratch Card - Listed as 99.3%

There are many others in the region of 98.5% to 99%, which seems very odd for slots or games that are in the slots category. (A lot of the 'Soft Games' output.)

Also I'm assuming you've transposed the figures here, but Dogfather is listed as having an RTP of 69%

I also take exception to the wording of the 'Hot & Cold' slots list, where the text for the Cold slots is outright misleading when referring to random games, suggesting that there is an 'imminent wave of winnings' due because the slots have been paying below RTP for a period of three hours.

Some input from the casino here would be appreciated

hi chopley

I get your point. I have a very low RTP on immortal romance here, its advertised at 97% rtp I don't think its anything sinister, maybe its just their general opinion on the payout at their casino that the average is getting won.

 

[peezo13]

What a start to 2014!! Took up the 100% bonus today. I deposited £50 and thought id give playboy a shot. It only took 21 spins to trigger the feature. I chose the second feature and boy am i glad i did that!

Got the first 4 reels wild!!!! £2268 off a 60p spin

I contacted chat to make sure i could cancel the bonus. This was all fine although Daniel said i had to play through my deposit 5 times before i made a withdrawal. I have now withdrawn £2210 Hopefully a sign of things to come in 2014

Cant upload the screenshot though

Thanks Betat :notworthy

 

[homerbert]

What a start to 2014!! Took up the 100% bonus today. I deposited £50 and thought id give playboy a shot. It only took 21 spins to trigger the feature. I chose the second feature and boy am i glad i did that!

Got the first 4 reels wild!!!! £2268 off a 60p spin

I contacted chat to make sure i could cancel the bonus. This was all fine although Daniel said i had to play through my deposit 5 times before i made a withdrawal. I have now withdrawn £2210 Hopefully a sign of things to come in 2014

Cant upload the screenshot though

Thanks Betat :notworthy

congrats on your win, its awesome!
Daniel in live chat... Ok, now i am almost sure that he only one who work at live chat, and probably he is robot
Also it is confirm that all Betat staff is 4 people
Igor u need 7 more, and u will be like Ocean's eleven, but Igor eleven

 

[Igor82]

Chopley - awesome post. No hard feelings about it - i think its worth looking into. I do need to read it thoroughly and get things fixed or replied to + what seems to be a whole 2 page thread following.

Homer, if you think 4 people can do the job of running this operation so be it as long as we meet your standards, I'm'm happy running it alone if I can (less overheads).

Happy new year all.

 

[BETAT]

Chopley - awesome post. No hard feelings about it - i think its worth looking into. I do need to read it thoroughly and get things fixed or replied to + what seems to be a whole 2 page thread following.

Homer, if you think 4 people can do the job of running this operation so be it as long as we meet your standards, I'm'm happy running it alone if I can (less overheads).

Happy new year all.

*flips through the 'help wanted' section

 

[Igor82]

I don't so much mind them describing slots as 'hot and cold', it's like the jackpot thermometer in the download MG casinos, but at least those have the text that EXPLICITLY EXPLAINS it's for fun only and is no indication whatsoever of whether or not a jackpot is 'due'.

The problem I have with the text there is the clear implication that if a player deposits and plays a 'cold' slot, he could get his slice of the 'imminent' winnings, which is no better than saying black is due on a roulette wheel because the last five spins were red.

As for incorrect RTP figures, they make me twitchy and I don't like seeing them.

Right, let me get this one out of the way first

The page is there to service a specific type of customer that is honestly, not small in number. We (used to) get many contacts asking the CS which slots are currently hot and which slots are currently cold. These customers are used to their fruity experience and fall within the tin foil hat group: they think they can feed a slot, they also think that if their session breaks they will start again and don't have the concept of total randomness.

Each week, I had to review 30 minute long chats that try to explain that every spin is wholly random and that just because a slot is cold does not mean it will hit now, or because it paid overly high it will continue paying. Frankly, I was annoyed at the length of time my team takes to try and reason with the logic that seems to be unbreakable.

It's a question that cannot be ignored as we will simply anger a customer if we disregard it, and no length of time will ever fully convince one that a slot is indeed random. Since launching this page, the number of contacts on the topic dropped to pretty much zero.

That said, i don't like the "imminent wave of winners" - i chalk it up to overzealous marketing and just pointed the thread to the marketing team to change the text to non-misleading content.

On to RTP's next but i need to check where those figures came from before i can answer appropriately.

 

[Igor82]

What a start to 2014!! Took up the 100% bonus today. I deposited £50 and thought id give playboy a shot. It only took 21 spins to trigger the feature. I chose the second feature and boy am i glad i did that!

Got the first 4 reels wild!!!! £2268 off a 60p spin

I contacted chat to make sure i could cancel the bonus. This was all fine although Daniel said i had to play through my deposit 5 times before i made a withdrawal. I have now withdrawn £2210 Hopefully a sign of things to come in 2014

Cant upload the screenshot though

Thanks Betat :notworthy

peezo - amazing stuff! welcome to 2014

 

[Igor82]

Ok, i looked at some of these games and they are so off, it cant be mere miscalc.

Best i can think of is that during December update the database feeding this information got it's wires crossed, connecting a game to the wrong RTP input - that probably means that some single deck blackjack belonging to now switched off Amaya is being labelled internally as 96% game

Rather than updating the 4 mentioned, i instructed the team to review the sources and correct figures of each and every game on the site and update accordingly.

Please give us a day or two to complete the review and we'll update the site.

Thank you for the heads up!

Igor

 

[theapple]

Igor, well as its my bday today thought id spoil myself with a little deposit at maybe 2-3 casinos just for the sake of it (20-30$ stuff lol) but... i just couldnt do it. no seriously, whenever i read that 1st deposit bonus terms and see x60 wagering it makes me laugh. Im being dead serious when i say i was genuinely laughing while reading bonus terms. Im sure many people wont mind it but for me, as someone who rarely takes bonuses higher than 20x wagering, its a no go.

i realize your bonus doesnt affect your real money (but apparently there are quite a few other casinos offering this bonus system now) but those wagering reqs are really extreme.

not saying i wont ever deposit at ur casino, maybe (and most likely) i will... but when i do so, ill do it despite your 1st deposit bonus bundle, not because of it

speaking of which, im glad i dont play that much any longer. out of like 20-30 casinos im registered at (and i spent 1000's at some of them) only 2 sent me something... one of those being betathome (they have similar name like u guys ) even if i havent logged in for months. sure its just 6$ casino chips, but its still more than most other sites.

ah and btw, we (me at least) do not want to spend even more money for our bday, especially if it comes 1 day after new years eve. we are most likely broke as it is, so i wish casinos would stop sending me % bonus offers as a 'gift'.

i think this could be useful to know, for you Igor and other casino reps here:
no, i dont want your 'gift' if i have to buy it. is that too hard to understand, casino people

 

[homerbert]

Chopley - awesome post. No hard feelings about it - i think its worth looking into. I do need to read it thoroughly and get things fixed or replied to + what seems to be a whole 2 page thread following.

Homer, if you think 4 people can do the job of running this operation so be it as long as we meet your standards, I'm'm happy running it alone if I can (less overheads).

Happy new year all.

i am joking of course. And yes, i am really happy how you running you casino, and you are probably number one casino to title best casino overall 2014, only guts can fight with you right now. Of course i understand that u have a lot of people, but u and Daniel make me feel that u just two there
Btw, change russian logo, its not correct word, its like betat Conada instead Canada probably no one care about it, but it makes me laugh every time i visit betat and russian version of site come.
As i told, if needed get me in contact who can change it immideately, few hours our speaking, and u have amazing and correct russian pages. All for free, just trying help in things that i can help.

 

[wobble33]

What a start to 2014!! Took up the 100% bonus today. I deposited £50 and thought id give playboy a shot. It only took 21 spins to trigger the feature. I chose the second feature and boy am i glad i did that!

Got the first 4 reels wild!!!! £2268 off a 60p spin

I contacted chat to make sure i could cancel the bonus. This was all fine although Daniel said i had to play through my deposit 5 times before i made a withdrawal. I have now withdrawn £2210 Hopefully a sign of things to come in 2014

Cant upload the screenshot though

Thanks Betat :notworthy

congrats on your win BUT what is this wager x5 your deposit I thought you could withdraw anytime as long as you have not dipped into your bonus?

I know money laundering rule so x1 would be ok if required, but what is this x5 wr of deposit? you lost £58 by having to do this?

 

[Igor82]

congrats on your win BUT what is this wager x5 your deposit I thought you could withdraw anytime as long as you have not dipped into your bonus?

I know money laundering rule so x1 would be ok if required, but what is this x5 wr of deposit? you lost £58 by having to do this?

It's x1 on most players. I had a word with Support to ensure they understand.

We had a swarm of Asians coming in using voucher cards, turning exactly 1x, withdrawing the rest to a wallet and exiting.

We blocked the accounts, refunded the vouchers etc. and added a x5 requirement "on cases" as a deterrent.

Will need to spruce up the term better to state that existing customers with history don't have the 1x (or 5x) requirement and ensure the support team know the difference.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ok, i looked at some of these games and they are so off, it cant be mere miscalc.

Best i can think of is that during December update the database feeding this information got it's wires crossed, connecting a game to the wrong RTP input - that probably means that some single deck blackjack belonging to now switched off Amaya is being labelled internally as 96% game

Rather than updating the 4 mentioned, i instructed the team to review the sources and correct figures of each and every game on the site and update accordingly.

Please give us a day or two to complete the review and we'll update the site.

Thank you for the heads up!

Igor

Thanks for that Igor, nice to know you're onto it

It does concern me however that you could end up with so much wrong information in your 'shop window' as it were, maybe something to set internally as a monthly task for someone to review stuff like that, just to make sure everything's as it should be?

 

[Wild Reels]

i suspended myself from the casino for 6 months after i had my £400 withdrawal put back in my balance, and was told to wager more money before withdrawing, only had to do around £90 pound (was stated as x5 but lowered to x1) but my rtp during that session was horrific, then the red mist hit, and just burned it all on IR final rtp of that session was like 58% or something , was more that i was disgusted with myself, for not withdrawing the £350 ish, but honestly i was angry that i'd lost a portion of the money id won previously..

overall my lifetime rtp was still around 110% there so its not a complaint on that front ive had some fantastic wins, its just i dont get these sort of emails from 32red putting money back in my account and telling me to wager it more, i do understand why it might be neccessary, but if i make a big deposit and win big early i dont want to wager anymore thanks, im normally sensible enough to withdraw it at least for another day

 

[peezo13]

Thanks Igor Money received in less than 5 mins. I will withdraw the rest to my card after meeting wagering for the 'winagram'. Good luck beating me in the 'winagram' this month folks

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Oh well in for a penny in for £150..... The main thing for me with this casino is they have an active presence here on the CM forums with Igor and Constantine, which is a massive plus in my book. Yes they're not perfect (as evidenced by the incorrect RTP listings and dodgy 'Hot or Cold' text (which has already been changed so kudos for that)), but they're active and on the ball, which gets my vote.

Anyway, better hope I hit something juicy before my real funds are exhausted though, because I don't fancy my chances on that 60xB WR

Needless to say I'll be sticking to high variance slots as it's hit or bust really, no point trying to grind out a 60xB WR.

Few typos and missing words on the sign-up screen that could do with a proofread but nothing major. Mandatory phone number which I've provided, at least they don't specify a mobile number, so I've used the landline that goes to voicemail. I left the 'send me promo stuff' checkbox ticked which I hope doesn't include telephone calls by default, there didn't appear to be any way to go more granular than that. (Email and snailmail are fine, telephone calls I hate.)

Oh well, over to the BDBA-A-TRON it is then!

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[ChopleyIOM]

OH FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Literally my first bonus round on 36p spins on BDBA, four gems in free spins with a 5x wild in there, a £150 win. (Yes a long way off the £1500 jackpot, but still 417x stake.)

Few other wins in free spins as well, round paid £174.80.

I know BDBA pretty well, you can go many thousands of spins waiting for a hit like that, so I just got very lucky.

I have wagered a grand total of....... £38.88p

So now, really, I just have to withdraw don't I? This is basically as good as this one is likely to get, I can withdraw £293.92 from a £150 deposit, I forfeit the entire bonus which at this point simply looks like an irrelevance and a burden, and the extended online slots session that I was getting ready to nicely settle into is over before it's started.

Gahhhh, I'll just play out of the profit I suppose, I'm on a no-lose session now, but once I get back down to £150 real funds (assuming that happens before I meet WR which it almost inevitably will), I think it'll be withdrawal time.

I do appreciate the bonus structure here, that I'm not tied to a WR and I can now withdraw my profit, but as dunover correctly identified earlier in this thread, what I'd much rather be doing at this point is settling down to the challenge of meeting a 30xB WR before I could withdraw anything.

Screenshot shows end of the bonus round, 9 lines played at four coins per line, 0.01 size, so 417x stake. £174.80 from a 36p spin.

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[dunover]

OH FOR GOD'S SAKE.

Literally my first bonus round on 36p spins on BDBA, four gems in free spins with a 5x wild in there, a £150 win. (Yes a long way off the £1500 jackpot, but still 417x stake.)

Few other wins in free spins as well, round paid £174.80.

I know BDBA pretty well, you can go many thousands of spins waiting for a hit like that, so I just got very lucky.

I have wagered a grand total of....... £38.88p

So now, really, I just have to withdraw don't I? This is basically as good as this one is likely to get, I can withdraw £293.92 from a £150 deposit, I forfeit the entire bonus which at this point simply looks like an irrelevance and a burden, and the extended online slots session that I was getting ready to nicely settle into is over before it's started.

Gahhhh, I'll just play out of the profit I suppose, I'm on a no-lose session now, but once I get back down to £150 real funds (assuming that happens before I meet WR which it almost inevitably will), I think it'll be withdrawal time.

I do appreciate the bonus structure here, that I'm not tied to a WR and I can now withdraw my profit, but as dunover correctly identified earlier in this thread, what I'd much rather be doing at this point is settling down to the challenge of meeting a 30xB WR before I could withdraw anything.

Screenshot shows end of the bonus round, 9 lines played at one coin per line, 0.01 size, so 417x stake. £174.80 from a 36p spin.

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What I would personally do is withdraw the 292 as you've suggested, it'll be paid in minutes, forfeit the bonus altogether.
Then keep say 242 back so you've made 92 cash profit, then redeposit 50 quid and lo-roll BDBA or similar again. The worst'll happen is you end up 92 quid cash up if u bust, and set a target of 100 for the 50 cash, if you hit it w/d again. You'll obviously have no w/r to worry about whereas if you keep going now you will.