Angelciti (RTG) steal thousands of dollars of players' winnings.

[maxmax]

It was an email directly from the casino. It was not a signup bonus. I don't know the coupon code because i can't check my account to login.

 

[Casinomeister]

Okay, I'm taking the bull by the horns here.

Maxmax? I'm prepared to accuse you of lying to me. In fact, I am accusing you of lying. The casino has provided me information that indicates the following:

That you used a promotion code that was given to another individual. She in turn sent this promotion code to twenty of her "friends" who used the code as well.

Some of these people are members of this board and know who I am talking about.

RTG powered casinos are able to create three types of coupon codes. One is for high rollers and can be produced for individuals. This is what you used.

You and tweny others who are in the Washington State area.

And what gets me is that you used this opportunity, when Angelciti was trying to get their shit together, to pull off this scam.

Give me a reason why I shouldn't ban you from this forum. I ought to ban some of the others, but they haven't come forward with any claims like you have.

And give me a reason why I shouldn't post the user names of the individuals that are part of this scam? At least they were smart enough to keep their mouths shut.

 

[jetset]

That's pretty shameful, and shows that the bad conduct is not always on the casino side!

 

[glodge]

I agree jetset.
Although it may go to prove that casino's are not always to blame & that scams are an every day occurrence.

Unfortunately in the case of angel citi, as with all casino's in this type of situation, they've got slammed over it.

 

[Casinomeister]

Actually, I think an apology is in order. Maxmax owes everyone he was jerking a chain on an apology. Here and at WOL, or where ever he was posting.

The more I think about this, the more pissed off I get.

 

[Casinomeister]

Actually, there are 15 "friends" not 20 as I stated before. One of these "friends" just contacted me about an unrelated case at UKCasino Club where he was accussed of having multiple accounts in the Washington state area. It was linked to four other players. These four players are among the 15 here.

What a coinicidence. I guess I'll be going through me "pitch a bitch" records to see how often these players come up.

Secondly, I won't be posting any user names besides Maxmax since he is the only one who decided to publicise his dissent. There is a privacy issue that I care not to breach no matter how pissed I get.

 

[glodge]

IMHO you've got every right to be pissed, I can't believe the audacity of some people & the means of which some will stoop, to use people as pawns in an attempt to scam.

Totally understandable; not blowing smoke up Bryan's butt, by respecting privacy issues, IMO this is another prime example of his working integrity, towards all members & that of the online gambling community.

Good show :yes:

 

[jpm]

This should show that the casinos are not the only evil ones in this industry. People who will come and complain after they blatantly tried to scam the casino and got caught are as bad as credit card fraudsters. They are the ones who screw the rest of us out of legitimate bonuses and cause the casinos to crawl up our butts with a microscope before they pay us.

For all of you who have ever had to get your account unlocked or produce a DNA sample before getting your winnings, you can thank Maxmax and his 19 buddies for helping to perpetuate the casinos' suspicions of EVERY player.

Thanks Maxmax (and the other anonymous scum that Bryan mentioned as well)! I hope they keep your deposits and winnings.

Bryan, how about notifying the good casino managers that are members here about these people privately so they know that they should be HEAVILY scrutinized.

 

[cipher]

Unfortunately, I hav't to second JPM's motion. If we are going to expect the Casinos to be straight up with us we need to be straight-up with the Casinos as well. Have a good one.

Cipher

 

[pokeraddict]

That is some BS. How can we expect Bryan to help us when we have issues if people pull this crap. I guess max has nothing to say for himself. I'm sorry, from everyone here, that your forum and your pull in the online casino industry was abused here Bryan.

 

[Casinomeister]

Bump!

Funny how this group of scammers are letting this sort of drift away. Rainfall was one of them, but he's unwelcome in this forum, so he can't reply here.

I'm considering naming the rest here and at WOL. Some of the usernames are quite well known, and it'll surprise a number of you.

But these are the assholes who have more or less ruined the industry for honest players. Why do you think casinos have to protect themselves with outrageous bonus rules?

I'm still collecting evidence, and it looks like quite a few more than 15 players are involved in this scam.

I would also appreciate any feedback from some of you.

 

[pokeraddict]

If you're 100% sure about their names and their involvement then let us know. Especially if they ones that used your help to try to take advantage of them. Just my opinion but only if you're 100% sure, and i know there must be many who you are sure that of.

 

[valles]

Posted by Meister August 1st:

Secondly, I won't be posting any user names besides Maxmax since he is the only one who decided to publicise his dissent. There is a privacy issue that I care not to breach no matter how pissed I get.


Posted by Meister August 08:

I'm considering naming the rest here and at WOL. Some of the usernames are quite well known, and it'll surprise a number of you.


Stick to your opinion of August 1st, Bryan. No matter how sure you are, even you can be wrong.

 

[Casinomeister]

What? I can't change my mind?

Seriously though, this is some bad shit. And it's pretty involved. I'm going through my records and making connections here and there. And some of the posts speak for themselves. A number of these posters have clammed up, both here and at WOL waiting for the smoke to blow over. Too bad it won't.

Needless to say, I don't live in a vaccuum. I have a lot of info at my disposal from different reliable sources. So whatever I have to say won't be coming out of my fourth point of contact (an old paratrooper term).

What concerns me is player trust vs player abuse. Players trust me with confidential information, and I keep it this way-confidential. But at the same time, I need to be wary of player abuse. Players that are a-holes need to know I will take no shit.

These Washington "players" are problematic. They seem to be very vocal against whatever casinos they are up against. Maybe I will just wait until one of them has a problem and then perhaps bust them out in public.

This abuse was not a chance happening. It was orchestrated and a number of sources have cooberated certain telling details.

 

[jpm]

Post them.

They should not be allowed to hide behind their posts of alleged poor treament by the casinos they are trying to rip off. They came here under false pretenses, describing how they were 'wronged' and asking for your help. Just like the rogue casinos, they deserve no anonymity.

 

[jpm]

Maybe it would be prudent to drop a note to them before you do and tell them why you are outing them. Then they won't be able to come back with some incredulous response about being misidentified as a scumbag.

 

[gamblinboi]

hm, this sounds interesting.

miester, you mentioned this coupon was for high rollers (25$ match.. heh.. some high rollers. ;<, ) and RTG can set it up just for them.. this sounds like a "high roller" at Angelciti went and shared the coupon with friends/forum members? is that what's going on?

doesn't sound like that big of a deal.. i mean, if the casino can set it so that the coupon is only for high rollers, why not just not let it redeem if the account isn't a high roller?

I dunno, my 2 cents. :<,

 

[jamesdean]

Im trying to understand this. What exactly did this group of players from Washington State do wrong? (and Im not trying to be an ass here) Havent they simply shared information about bonuses which their are many web forums which also do this or is their some greater act of fraud which I am missing here cause sharing information about bonuses doesnt seem like much of a big deal to me. If their is other factors involved that are more serious then information sharing then I agree that they should be outed. I would appreciate it if someone could update me on exactly what these players did wrong. Thanks

 

[portia]

Jamesdean :

The BIG wrong here is that Maxmax, in some hopeless act of desperation, decided to try to get the players advoates here to collect money for him when he knows that he was caught trying to use an RTG highroller coupon he did not receive.

He managed to damage all of us, and himself.; Wasting the time and reputation of the folks that will spend their time soting out problems we have with casinos.

I know some players think the casinos are a fair target cause of the deceitful nature of the business. taking advantage of degenerate gamblers like myself.

But how do you justify scamming casinomeister & co.???

Just this one thread should have triggered the notion that " Gee, I might need help from these folks some day when a crooked casino pockets my deposit."

How did you ever imagine it could work?

Has it worked in the past?

Just like the casinos can trip up getting complacent about what suckers their customers are, some of the scammers seem to get carried away about how dumb the casinos are. Must think everyone is a dope now?

Didn't think that when Bryan gets together with the casino management to go over your case they might put it together? Or didn't care?

Any consequences? Don't figure Julie at grumbles will help either now.

And now we are all going to be suspected by the advocates and the casinos when we need help legitimately.

The casinos and THEIR advocates on the boards will be wringing their hands about "Teams! Consortiums! It's a conspiricy of players that are against us!!!!"

"That's why we're lossing money boss. It's that washington team trading coupons again!"

Or are they making those risk free bets in craps and roulette that the casinos have been telling folks about.

We don't want the online casinos as paranoid as the B&M's.

So we have Maxmax to thank for wasting many peoples time and reputations. And casting a shadow over all players who come for help.

Don't you guys some minimal code of honour were you would refrain from dumbing your scam gone bad into the lap of folks who really want to help players?

I can't think of much lower thing a player could do.

Ugh!

 

[Casinomeister]

Players who share information is fine and dandy, and is to be expected and sometimes even encouraged. What is happening is that there are "groups" of players who will step over this line and begin fraudulent activity.

Fraudulent activity is usually spelled out in each casino's T&Cs. Simply put: they break the rules (open several accounts, play each other's accounts, etc.).

Now this group in Washington (the one Rainfall and Maxmax are a part of), is connected to many, many player accounts at differing casinos/casino groups. It's still unclear whether or not many of these "players" even exist.

Rainfall is a psychopath. If anyone want to read about this crackhead, check out the evil player's section https://www.casinomeister.com/evil-players/

For now, I won't be posting this group list. I prefer to see these guys self inflict their own wounds instead of me having to defend my actions in public.

 

[gamblinboi]

portia, i dunno, sharing a coupon code is probably a lot less "evil" than chargebacks, hacking the casino, etc.

sounds like what's going on is a lot more than just sharing a coupon code, from what the meister just said.

 

[jpm]

Many times a casino will send you a coupon code based on your individual play. They tell you in the email that it is for your use and not to share it with anyone (or there will be consequences). From what I read, this group was doing just that, sharing coupons/promos that were meant for one person's use only.

 

[Casinomeister]

<hr size=0>quote:<p>From what I read, this group was doing just that, sharing coupons/promos that were meant for one person's use only.<hr size=0>​

Exactly, and this happens--sometimes unintentially (players want to share good things with their friends). But what makes this case different is that Maxmax lied to the casino, he lied to me, he lied to the everyone here and at WOL.

From Maxmax to Angelciti:
[color=ff0000]I have redeemed a coupon and won some money. Your claims that this was sent to 1 person is false. I found this coupon also posted on the internet as well. In fact i originally think i deleted my email then found the code and assumed they were the same since the deposit and bonus were the same. You don't want to pay and it will cost angel citi/shark casino more than 1,250.00 in the long run. I am fine with that and you appear to be as well. I hope you are prepared to follow up and defend your position when i bump the old threads every couple weeks reminding people not to play. Please do not contact me any further in wish you wish to reach a settlement.
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So you can see, Maxmax is trying to extort $$ from Angelciti by threatening to post at WOL bumping up the threads that Angelciti is evil. What a dork! I guess he doesn't realize that many members of WOL are members here as well.

I know one thing for sure. He's not man enough to come back to this forum and rufute anything that I have posted about his ruse. And the others who are associated with this group are being watched very carefully. They know who they are...I know who they are. This should prove to be interesting...

...and amusing to say the least.