Affiliate or not to Affiliate

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I was just checking a site out most of us would of heard off (fruity casa)

Already signed to a few in that group and seem to get some luck from there sites, I noticed thepoggs guarantee approval, So I clicked open & had a read, I have read about the Guarantee before, I clicked a link and bought me to fruity, Which by the way pogg I think the landing page needs to be updated,

So I closed the page down and still had open the original one, The sign up is 150% & 10 of the best on gonzo but on poggs its 100% and 50 spins on twin spin, I signed up and the offer was sitting there was the poggs deal?
100% and 50 on twinspin,

I suppose thePoggs got the best end of the rope here :)

My question is what if you did not want to be signed up by an affiliate? Or what happens if I wanted to sign up by another affiliate and Poggs one took over it? Does the last link override the last one? It may not be a big deal to the player but makes a hell of a difference for the affiliate

If taking thepoggs deal and deposit £20 this works out equivalent to £2.50 more but that includes having to use the 50 spins on twinspin, If deposit more than the deal is worse off

deposit 100 & 150% bonus = onsite deal £250

deposit 100 & 100% bonus = £200 + 50 free spins @ value £12.50 sums up thepoggs £212.50

But I suppose you have a bit of reassurance if you sign up by a good affiliate
 

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My question is what if you did not want to be signed up by an affiliate? Or what happens if I wanted to sign up by another affiliate and Poggs one took over it? Does the last link override the last one? It may not be a big deal to the player but makes a hell of a difference for the affiliate

In 'MOST' cases the player is credited to the first affiliate that referred the player to said casino. Meaning if you visited Guts through a link on my site, then decided to check out Bryan's review of Guts, before signing up. Subsequently then visiting Guts for the second time via Casinomeister and thus signing up, as the first affiliate site that referred the player to Guts, I would get credited the player and not Bryan.
 

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The simple thing to do is clear browser cookies - if you're wanting to ensure you're credited to a specific affiliate (or to claim a specific bonus at a specific affiliate site) clear your cookies, click the link and bingo you should be credited to that affiliate ;)

Thanks for the heads-up about the landing page btw!

TP
 

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The simple thing to do is clear browser cookies - if you're wanting to ensure you're credited to a specific affiliate (or to claim a specific bonus at a specific affiliate site) clear your cookies, click the link and bingo you should be credited to that affiliate ;)

Thanks for the heads-up about the landing page btw!

TP

No worry's, The landing page just looked abit dead, I will take the 50 free spins anyway with the 100%

Was not anything personal against your site, Just happened to be the site I noticed it happen, I did know about clearing the cookies etc but it was no problem giving you the sign up deal :)
 

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No worry's, The landing page just looked abit dead, I will take the 50 free spins anyway with the 100%

Was not anything personal against your site, Just happened to be the site I noticed it happen, I did know about clearing the cookies etc but it was no problem giving you the sign up deal :)

Honestly - I was taking no umbrage what-so-ever! I'd always encourage players to shop round and get themselves the best deal, or what they feel is the best deal for them. Sometimes we'll have that and other times we won't. I certainly wouldn't take offence.

Nevertheless, if you signed-up through us I thank you. Always appreciated.

TP
 

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Honestly - I was taking no umbrage what-so-ever! I'd always encourage players to shop round and get themselves the best deal, or what they feel is the best deal for them. Sometimes we'll have that and other times we won't. I certainly wouldn't take offence.

Nevertheless, if you signed-up through us I thank you. Always appreciated.

TP

You won't be - he always wins....:D

yes, nowt wrong with Fruity Casa and their other Caddell group sites I have played at them all and now promote them all. There is about 20-odd of them and you're not restricted to only one SUB at the group, you can take as many offers as you like, some even have unlimited SUB 100% of whatever you want to deposit although the WR is steep at 35x D+B.

What Webczas said I didn't realize - I though the player was attributed to the last link they clicked through to the said casino before they signed up. :oops:

Spintee - the affiliate can choose his/her offer from the banners available. If the banners are live on the affiliate account then any offer the affiliate chooses to promote should be honoured by the casino. For example I offer the 'bad earners' whereby you get £70 quid for a £10 deposit as a player, a 600% up to £10. As you can imagine the player takes it, buggers off after losing earning me a grand total of say £2 or even worse (for me) the buggers win! I could use an alternative banner with a simple 100% match but personally choose the banners I'd be tempted by.

If the casino improves their sign-up offer they should notify the affiliate so they can change the banner/offer. If they don't, or the affiliate can't be arsed to change it then the player might find the better new offer direct at the casino.

Some banners auto-update i.e. if your banner is code 3467 and that was the previous SUB offer and the casino changes or improves it then they simply change the banner for code 3467 their end without you having to do anything. Trouble is (thePOGG may have had this) it's hard to keep up with auto-banners and ones you have to manually change yourself.
 

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What Webczas said I didn't realize - I though the player was attributed to the last link they clicked through to the said casino before they signed up. :oops:

It depends on the program. The cookie policies, both how long they last and when they are overwritten, vary from program to program and unfortunately this is one area where aff programs aren't overly forthcoming with information. A few will state what their policies are but the vast majority don't. It's all very woolly.
 

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You won't be - he always wins....:D

yes, nowt wrong with Fruity Casa and their other Caddell group sites I have played at them all and now promote them all. There is about 20-odd of them and you're not restricted to only one SUB at the group, you can take as many offers as you like, some even have unlimited SUB 100% of whatever you want to deposit although the WR is steep at 35x D+B.

What Webczas said I didn't realize - I though the player was attributed to the last link they clicked through to the said casino before they signed up. :oops:

Spintee - the affiliate can choose his/her offer from the banners available. If the banners are live on the affiliate account then any offer the affiliate chooses to promote should be honoured by the casino. For example I offer the 'bad earners' whereby you get £70 quid for a £10 deposit as a player, a 600% up to £10. As you can imagine the player takes it, buggers off after losing earning me a grand total of say £2 or eve worse the bastards win. I could use an alternative banner with a simple 100% match but personally choose the banners I'd be tempted by.

If the casino improves their sign-up offer they should notify the affiliate so they can change the banner/offer. If they don't, or the affiliate can't be arsed to change it then the player might find the better new offer direct at the casino.

Some banners auto-update i.e. if your banner is code 3467 and that was the previous SUB offer and the casino changes or improves it then they simply change the banner for code 3467 their end without you having to do anything. Trouble is (thePOGG may have had this) it's hard to keep up with auto-banners and ones you have to manually change yourself.

I have played at many casinos in this group. Found them through your exciting videos but I think I signed up before you became an affiliate Dun. Anyway this group is solid in my opinion. No worries about being paid. My only wish is that they have better re-load bonuses and allow DOA on a bonus but that is not to be. I rarely sign up to casinos using affiliates which is a pity cause mostly I lose:( But when I do it's usually through Casinomeister, The Pogg or in future you Dunover. There are very few affiliates I trust and I think they are all here on Casinomeister. The online world is full of affiliates that don't do their due diligence and vet a casino before they promote so it's always nice to see some that do.:thumbsup: Good job guys!
 

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Hope no one minds but I thought I'd take advantage of this thread to ask a question that has been bugging me for a while now.

Can't usually post in affys threads so another reason why I've put this here.

Scenario...

A player registers a brand new account at a casino they've never played at through an affiliate link.

They are a low roller and only usually deposit small but increase bets slightly if their session is going well.

Things do not start well for the player and they end up after a couple of months having lost 20 x £25 deposits so are £500 down at this particular casino.

During this time affiliate payments have been made from casino to affiliate who signed up this player (how much and what %age I have no idea as I don't understand this really at all, lets for lack of knowledge sake call it 10%)

Casino has now made £450 from this player and affy £50.

Next deposit this player has the session of his life, deposits £25 and withdraws £2K. Decides he/she has 'pushed their luck' and gets paid out and never looks back.

The casino is now out of pocket yet the affy still has their original payment and is in front more than the actual casino.

Multiply this by 10 lucky players and If I was running this casino, I'd start to have concerns....

Is this how it works and its just a case of 'bad Luck on this one' for the casino or have I got the mechanics totally wrong??

Cheers
 

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You won't be - he always wins....:D

Try telling my bank manager that :)

I didnt on that deposit at least, Blinked and would of missed it,

I agree with osulle that the sites seem to be very solid, I did not no you promoted them either due to the withdraw times but I see you have magically increased the times to under 24hr to 48hr for U.K sites, But some sites are worth it,

I suppose you could stretch abit further and have a tab for casino that pay in over 48hrs :)
 

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Hope no one minds but I thought I'd take advantage of this thread to ask a question that has been bugging me for a while now.

Can't usually post in affys threads so another reason why I've put this here.

Scenario...

A player registers a brand new account at a casino they've never played at through an affiliate link.

They are a low roller and only usually deposit small but increase bets slightly if their session is going well.

Things do not start well for the player and they end up after a couple of months having lost 20 x £25 deposits so are £500 down at this particular casino.

During this time affiliate payments have been made from casino to affiliate who signed up this player (how much and what %age I have no idea as I don't understand this really at all, lets for lack of knowledge sake call it 10%)

Casino has now made £450 from this player and affy £50.

Next deposit this player has the session of his life, deposits £25 and withdraws £2K. Decides he/she has 'pushed their luck' and gets paid out and never looks back.

The casino is now out of pocket yet the affy still has their original payment and is in front more than the actual casino.

Multiply this by 10 lucky players and If I was running this casino, I'd start to have concerns....

Is this how it works and its just a case of 'bad Luck on this one' for the casino or have I got the mechanics totally wrong??

Cheers

Yes it does. Jon, some programmes have what is called 'Negative Carry-Over' (NCO) so in your scenario I'd pocket the £50. Next month that £2k would put me minus £200 so I wouldn't be paid unless I had exceeded that from other players. If I hadn't, I'd be minus £200 until I made it back from other players and went positive again.

However, most programmes are 'no NCO' so your example is correct. I have a player (I reckon it's the same one) who is a big depositor and has been through 6 or 7 of my promoted sites. When he/she hit Maria they put my a/c minus £1100 and only later did I realize they had NCO so I simply removed them from my site and don't promote them. It's pointless for small affies like myself. Then they hit Casumo and put that about £1900 in arrears one month, but it was wiped clean on the 1st. of the following month. They also twatted me on Grosvenor and put me about 1500 minus which again was wiped at the end of that month but the following month I took a couple of hundred home.

So your scenario does indeed apply to every casino I personally promote.

The crux is - NCO or no NCO?
 

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Hope no one minds but I thought I'd take advantage of this thread to ask a question that has been bugging me for a while now.

Can't usually post in affys threads so another reason why I've put this here.

Scenario...

A player registers a brand new account at a casino they've never played at through an affiliate link.

They are a low roller and only usually deposit small but increase bets slightly if their session is going well.

Things do not start well for the player and they end up after a couple of months having lost 20 x £25 deposits so are £500 down at this particular casino.

During this time affiliate payments have been made from casino to affiliate who signed up this player (how much and what %age I have no idea as I don't understand this really at all, lets for lack of knowledge sake call it 10%)

Casino has now made £450 from this player and affy £50.

Next deposit this player has the session of his life, deposits £25 and withdraws £2K. Decides he/she has 'pushed their luck' and gets paid out and never looks back.

The casino is now out of pocket yet the affy still has their original payment and is in front more than the actual casino.

Multiply this by 10 lucky players and If I was running this casino, I'd start to have concerns....

Is this how it works and its just a case of 'bad Luck on this one' for the casino or have I got the mechanics totally wrong??

Cheers

Its squares and round about's in this game mate, And your scenario happens all the time, They normally run on a weekly or monthly basis, But if one site takes a big hit than other site good profit than the next month its visa versa,

same principle for affiliates, they may give an affiliate one month 1k as that player lost, Even if that player buggers off than they will be another player to fill there boots,

Its like kicking a football around, Every one takes abit of the football, Eventually there be no football left and hense why casino go bust,
 

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Try telling my bank manager that :)

I didnt on that deposit at least, Blinked and would of missed it,

I agree with osulle that the sites seem to be very solid, I did not no you promoted them either due to the withdraw times but I see you have magically increased the times to under 24hr to 48hr for U.K sites, But some sites are worth it,

I suppose you could stretch abit further and have a tab for casino that pay in over 48hrs :)

No I haven't - my fast paying casinos are still the 0-24 hours ones. I have added a specific page for 24-48 hours casinos like 32red group etc.

I have also listed these 24-48 hour casinos on my front page but if you look there are big blue letters above them 'below here reputable casinos paying in 24-48 hours' so they are not confused with the fast paying casinos I originally had. :)

As for the above, you forget the affiliate pays in most cases for the bonuses their player takes - eg. on Guts you join and take a 100% bonus and lose it along with your £100 deposit: say I was earning 25% I wouldn't end up with £25 but about £17. Don't ask me how that is calculated 'cos I'm buggered if I know.

The casinos won't go bust. Remember a player depositing and losing £100 with £100 bonus is gross revenue of the whole deposit to the casino i.e. £100. The bonus is pseudo-money, phantom unless it's converted. So casino gets a player through me, which they wouldn't have had otherwise. He loses £100 and I get £30. Casino has £70 for nothing, is £70 better-off.
 

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Yes it does. Jon, some programmes have what is called 'Negative Carry-Over' (NCO) so in your scenario I'd pocket the £50. Next month that £2k would put me minus £200 so I wouldn't be paid unless I had exceeded that from other players. If I hadn't, I'd be minus £200 until I made it back from other players and went positive again.

However, most programmes are 'no NCO' so your example is correct. I have a player (I reckon it's the same one) who is a big depositor and has been through 6 or 7 of my promoted sites. When he/she hit Maria they put my a/c minus £1100 and only later did I realize they had NCO so I simply removed them from my site and don't promote them. It's pointless for small affies like myself. Then they hit Casumo and put that about £1900 in arrears one month, but it was wiped clean on the 1st. of the following month. They also twatted me on Grosvenor and put me about 1500 minus which again was wiped at the end of that month but the following month I took a couple of hundred home.

So your scenario does indeed apply to every casino I personally promote.

The crux is - NCO or no NCO?

Them carry overs are terrible deals, Is it just a player carry over or all players for that casino

If one player put in 1k and another took 1k out wound that make your account 0, or 0 for that player and 1k profit from other player,
 

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Them carry overs are terrible deals, Is it just a player carry over or all players for that casino

If one player put in 1k and another took 1k out wound that make your account 0, or 0 for that player and 1k profit from other player,

If in the same month 0.....what you WANT is the events to happen in different months, i.e players wins 1k. on 30th. Sept. and I am minus £250. The account goes back to zero 1st. Oct.

Next player comes on the 1st. October and loses £1k (assuming no other players) so on I earn £250.

All depends on timing.

All players and their wins/losses are aggregated, not separate.
 

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Cheers for the clarification and information Dunover / Spintee, it is much appreciated.

Spotted something yesterday on that new 'Wild Slots' site (EM - Casino Luck / Next Casino Group) where there is no carry over for affiliates and they do pay VERY fast (well at the moment they do)

Still in Beta presently but may be worth a nosey lads, not something I'd be looking to venture into at this moment in time but they are taking a lot of sign ups at this moment and with a 150% SUB to get through which is tough for players with 40xB, could be a nice quick hit and run for affiliates :thumbsup:
 

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I just been paid again from Gday, withdraw 6pm On Tuesday so way in in the 48hrs time fame they state,

They are one solid group, I just hope they do not go down the same route as a next famous group and start dishing out to any one,

Good option Dunover to add them, Good move there,

Another one is if you withdraw one day leave at least 1p in account for the next day and have 1 starburst spin costing 1p and you will get £1 the following day :) and on & on & on
 

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Y... some even have unlimited SUB 100% of whatever you want to deposit although the WR is steep at 35x D+B.
And that is exactly why Casa et al won't get on my website. As a player myself I wouldn't waste my time at a casino with wagering that high, so I now wont add any new casinos to my pages if they have unreasonably high WR, no matter how good they may be in other aspects.
(I do list a few with WR like this who have been on my site for years... but their days are numbered!)

KK
 

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And that is exactly why Casa et al won't get on my website. As a player myself I wouldn't waste my time at a casino with wagering that high, so I now wont add any new casinos to my pages if they have unreasonably high WR, no matter how good they may be in other aspects.
(I do list a few with WR like this who have been on my site for years... but their days are numbered!)

KK

I feel that one and understand where your coming from, but you have to take note albeit wager is high, it is also an option and not compulsory, I would not chuck sites due that that reason, I would not lose revenue over it but I would state clearly the wager rules,

I have signed up to a few from your site, Even with the wager requirements I have cleared it with ease, But some times your are lucky to turn over deposit twice
 

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I have tested out a few Imperium/Caddell operated casinos in the past and I would not promote any of them as an affiliate or use them as a player.

They have a limited selection of games, slow payouts, high WR on bonuses, low withdrawal limits and a poor loyalty program.

I actually can't find a single good reason why anyone should play at these casinos :eek:
 
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