AdamEve Casino terms

[miled]

If you fail to comply with any security request [docs] within 5 business days, Company reserves the right to void any winnings in your account.

1.The following are the maximum winnings, in Euro or equivalent amount in other currencies, which may be won online per day by an individual:
1.1. 10,000 for Casino games;
1.2. 10,000 for fixed- odds Games.
...
4. Company reserves the right to cancel any winnings inadvertently provided by our system which exceed these limits.

19.Forfeiture, Account Closure and Confiscation
The wording ‘irregular play’ may include but is not wholly restricted to any one or more of the following types of play:
1. Placing single bets equal to or greater than 30% of the value of the bonus and/or deposit amount credited to the player account, in advance of the wagering requirements for that bonus having been met.
2. Using any form of double-up strategy to increase bet values be it a player is playing with or without bonus money.

I believe these terms and conditions sufficient reason to add AdamEve Casino to the Rogue Casino list.

AdamEve Poker don't pay players. They put the blame on the Revolution Network. adamevepoker.com
AdamEve Poker has promised to begin payments in November. AdamEve Poker offer to redeem the balance of the players at $0.5 per $1.

 

[dunover]

So another place that doesn't allow the Martingale/doubling up system. Offering settlements at 50c in the $.....the place is doomed and yes the terms are rogue.

 

[miled]

AdamEve Casino is CN Payment Services Ltd. This company owns the following casinos: 1king.com, casinoluckywin.com

 

[miled]

sent 3 emails (29 May, 6 and 7 June) — no response.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Company reserves the right to cancel any winnings inadvertently provided by our system which exceed these limits.

This is the REAL sign of a rogue. The software would have to be gaffed in order to prevent any player winning more than this amount, and this term simply covers them for when their software fails to enforce this limit.

In a fair game, it would be impossible for a player to comply with this term, and for the casino to enforce it through the software.

The other rogue sign is that even if a player does not take a bonus, they are still bound by many of the bonus related terms and conditions.


On top of this, they even appear not to be paying players of the poker product who comply with all the terms, and then blame the network. Since when was the network responsible for paying the player of a particular skin.

I think what they really mean is that they are skint, and player balances do not actually exist within the skin to be paid out. This can only happen where players' monies have been used for "company purposes", perhaps in the hope that players will continue making fresh deposits and play, and in the case of poker, replacing the missing player funds with income generated from the rake, and that this process goes unnoticed by players.

It seems now that withdrawal requests are no longer covered by the above mechanism, so the skin has to stall in order to buy time to make the money needed to fund the current withdrawal requests. This is bound to fail as since this has come to notice, players are less likely to deposit or play, and more likely to want what money they have there out as quickly as possible.

They must have been underfunded to begin with, and have been caught out by a swing in variance with which they haven't the funds to cope.

 

[miled]

Casinomeister added Atlantic Vegas Casino (and some others) to the rogue list after speaking with the chat operator. Why do you need the affected players and PAB to add AdamEveCasino and AdamEvePoker to the rogue list?

 

[LaurieJim]

I am sorry but the name just stinks by itself alone and should be on the list of worst named casinos , ROGUE

Laurie

 

[miled]

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[bigjohn]

Casinomeister added Atlantic Vegas Casino (and some others) to the rogue list after speaking with the chat operator. Why do you need the affected players and PAB to add AdamEveCasino and AdamEvePoker to the rogue list?

I don't think it's practical to assume CM or any site could possibly categorize every single casino out there and your word is not and should not be sufficient to put AdamEve or any other casino in any particular category on this site. If you have an issue and you PAB and the casino is investigated by CM they may very well be put on the rogue list.

 

[miled]

It's not just my words. It's adameve terms and conditions.

How 40 Playtech Casinos added Not Recommended section? I don't see 40 PAB about each of them.

 

[hoff1985]

if paying out progressives in chunks is a clear case of rogue behaviour. then cutting all wins above 10'000 is definitaly too!

 

[Sovietsky]

Just the first line was enough for me.

If you don't submit your docs within 5 days you are pretty much screwed.
Sucks if you have a old ID card and need to renew it that takes a few days.


"Company reserves the right to cancel any winnings inadvertently provided by our system which exceed these limits."

I dont even know what that means but in short if you win we have a system that void your winnings would be my guess.

 

[bigjohn]

It's not just my words. It's adameve terms and conditions.

How 40 Playtech Casinos added Not Recommended section? I don't see 40 PAB about each of them.

For one thing they were put on that list by the owner of this site and his associates/advisers. Also these casinos were probably already known by these same people.

The administrators here put a lot of work and research into this site and how they categorize various casinos. I imagine eventually they would get to AdamEve but if a number of PABs are submitted it will be reviewed sooner.

If you want to see them rogued right away, start your own casino review site and rogue them. If you want to see them rogued here there are procedures for that.

 

[miled]

I asked one guy who started PAB the one month ago. He received a reply from casinomeister: we can not help. AdamEve casino aren't added to the black list. The great work CM!

 

[randomiam]

Adan eve rubbish

i played there ages ago like years basically it was a struggle to get any payment from them constant declined requests did all documents ect took me a month to get my $40 they need to go on black list i had never had such a crap time service was never there promos where dodgy to say the least this place is rouge as my votes there for blacklist

 

[KasinoKing]

The CM team are VERY busy guys and DON'T read every post on the forum. So if you want to ask them to blacklist this casino you should send them a request to look at this place by either PM (Private Message) or by reporting one of the posts in this thread.

KK

 

[maxd]

I asked one guy who started PAB the one month ago. He received a reply from casinomeister: we can not help. AdamEve casino aren't added to the black list. The great work CM!

Actually that's not at all what happened. The PAB submitted was pretty much beyond the scope of the PAB process -- the PABer wanted us to make AdamEve "stop working" until the casino payed out some unidentified players -- so I recommended that a post on the forums would be best, which he said he was fine with and would do. I forwarded his PAB, such as it was, to the casino but given the situation there was no way we could pursue it as we would a normal PAB. Case closed at that point.

 

[The Dude]

I asked one guy who started PAB the one month ago. He received a reply from casinomeister: we can not help. AdamEve casino aren't added to the black list. The great work CM!

Total rubbish, and you've received an infraction for disrespecting the administration of this site.

We received a PAB in August from a Russian player (I'm assuming this is the guy), and we told him the PAB was beyond the scope of our service (he wanted us to more or less shut the casino down). We told him this is beyond our powers, that we would be happy to forward his issue to the casino management, and we invited him to post his complaint in our forum. I'm not sure if he replied or not (Max would know). But this is far from your BS comment that we refused to help.

Keep up the agenda-fulled trollish comments and see what happens.

 

[The Dude]

Posted at the same time as Max

 

[Przecinek]

Still I think they should be rogued if they don't pay or offer $0.5 for every $1

I never played there but they do send me some spam that I can't unsubscribe from

"Deposit just 20 $/€/£ and you will receive 10,500% bonus, which is extra 2100 $/€/£" ...yeah, sure

 

[maxd]

Still I think they should be rogued if they don't pay or offer $0.5 for every $1

Sorry, rogued for what? We -- meaning "I" -- know nothing about what is going on at this casino. Why would we rogue a casino if we have no info on them, no case details to work from, no substantiated reports of major issues?

How would players react if a casino asked this of us? "Hey, ban that guy because of some info you've never seen or heard of about him. Do it, do it, do it!"

We'd tell them to get stuffed. We have.

No doubt nasty things are happening out there but we are not the internet casino police. We deal in facts and documented cases and provable cause, not rumour and hearsay.

 

[Firehawk]

This is the REAL sign of a rogue. The software would have to be gaffed in order to prevent any player winning more than this amount, and this term simply covers them for when their software fails to enforce this limit.

In a fair game, it would be impossible for a player to comply with this term, and for the casino to enforce it through the software.

The other rogue sign is that even if a player does not take a bonus, they are still bound by many of the bonus related terms and conditions.


On top of this, they even appear not to be paying players of the poker product who comply with all the terms, and then blame the network. Since when was the network responsible for paying the player of a particular skin.

I think what they really mean is that they are skint, and player balances do not actually exist within the skin to be paid out. This can only happen where players' monies have been used for "company purposes", perhaps in the hope that players will continue making fresh deposits and play, and in the case of poker, replacing the missing player funds with income generated from the rake, and that this process goes unnoticed by players.

It seems now that withdrawal requests are no longer covered by the above mechanism, so the skin has to stall in order to buy time to make the money needed to fund the current withdrawal requests. This is bound to fail as since this has come to notice, players are less likely to deposit or play, and more likely to want what money they have there out as quickly as possible.

They must have been underfunded to begin with, and have been caught out by a swing in variance with which they haven't the funds to cope.

That's a good Wheather Report I wont be going near the place rouge city by the sounds of it.

 

[miled]

You can find this information here — xhttp://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?showtopic=69526&view=findpost&p=2299820 from Anton Zhilin (xhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/antonzhilin "AdamevePoker February 2010 to Present")

 

[maxd]

You can find this information here — xhttp://forum.gipsyteam.ru/index.php?showtopic=69526&view=findpost&p=2299820 from Anton Zhilin (xhttp://www.linkedin.com/in/antonzhilin "AdamevePoker February 2010 to Present")

So what? The internet is full of useless anonymous information. It's not our job to go looking for it.

I could pull some miscellaneous link out of my arse that says that aliens gave birth to three headed goats that talk and are running for office in BurkaBurkastan. Why aren't you investigating that? Who knows what horrors could ensue? My god, do it now! No? Better things to do with your time perhaps? Yeah, me too.

We make our decisions based on cases we have investigated, either via PABs (me) or special investigations (Bryan). Neither of these is applicable in the case of AdamEve so we have no reason to say anything about them one way or the other.

 

[Firehawk]

Sorry my Russian is bad I used this version xttp://translate.google.co.nz/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fforum.gipsyteam.ru%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D69526%26st%3D200%26p%3D2299820%26%23entry2299820&sandbox=1

 

[maxd]

Google translate is crap for anything more complex than "see Spot run". It's no way to communicate complex issues from one language to another. Just because it's there doesn't mean it works.

 

[Firehawk]

So what? The internet is full of useless anonymous information. It's not our job to go looking for it.

I could pull some miscellaneous link out of my arse that says that aliens gave birth to three headed goats that talk and are running for office in BurkaBurkastan. Why aren't you investigating that? Who knows what horrors could ensue? My god, do it now! No? Better things to do with your time perhaps? Yeah, me too.

We make our decisions based on cases we have investigated, either via PABs (me) or special investigations (Bryan). Neither of these is applicable in the case of AdamEve so we have no reason to say anything about them one way or the other.

Ok fair enough maxd im backin off and agreed if there was 50 cents for every bit of info that popped up on the net would be a millionaire etc.

 

[maxd]

... if there was 50 cents for every bit of info that popped up on the net would be a millionaire etc.

An understatement by far, you'd be richer than God and own all his stuff. Internet = a tsunami of BS big enough to flood the world + bits of useful and/or factual stuff here and there.

 

[miled]

Is this rule: "2. Using any form of double-up strategy to increase bet values be it a player is playing with or without bonus money." published on adameve casino site not make them a rogue? (Old / Expired Link 19. Forfeiture, Account Closure and Confiscation)

 

[KasinoKing]

Is this rule: "2. Using any form of double-up strategy to increase bet values be it a player is playing with or without bonus money." published on adameve casino site not make them a rogue?

No!
Haven't you read anything Max has just posted?

Casinos can have ANY terms they like; Players can agree to them and play, or not like them and avoid the place.
Like Max said, CM is not the "Casino Police". They certainly wouldn't make the Accredited list with terms like that, but they wont get rogued either unless there is EVIDENCE that they are deliberately ripping-off players (which usually means NOT sticking to their own T&Cs and not when they enforce their terms, no matter how unfair they may seem to the players who signed-up and agreed to them in the first place).

KK

 

[Igor82]

Is this rule: "2. Using any form of double-up strategy to increase bet values be it a player is playing with or without bonus money." published on adameve casino site not make them a rogue? (Old / Expired Link 19. Forfeiture, Account Closure and Confiscation)

With all due respect, not your site, not your call, and as long as you don't play there - not your problem. It's tiring to read all these "know-it-alls" about casino opinion of how this or any other site SHOULD work. It's so incredibly easy to "dish it out" isnt it?

Here's some food for thought:

1) what they stipulate in their terms is unfair, but it is in the contractually binding agreement you sign. Just like apple owns everything you do on your iphone and charges you $30 for a cable, which is ridiculous, this casino cuts any winnings over 10k which is equally ridiculous.

2) Maybe it's designed for lowrollers? Maybe there is an entire host of players that dont mind that term.

Personally, i think it's double standardising and off - but as a player i would go as far as not play there myself. I will most definitely not write on every site i find stomping my feet as to why they aren't rouged.

In fact, if i felt so strongly about it, id open a blog and write about it and rogue them myself, then invest in SEO and web design and ensure the traffic i generate reads it. However i don't feel that strongly about it, and i imagine neither do you.

3) To ROGUE a site equals a trial by jury (in a sense) within the remit of this community, which you chose to become a part of. To rogue or not recommend a site, that site must be in breach of their own terms and act out of accordance of it's own advertised rules.

Sure, sites have terms that are overly vague and downright rip-off, but you wont see them here until they use those terms to sufficiently rip players in bad faith.

All above with full respect of your opinion (which i happen to agree with - those terms are a daylight robbery IMHO); but to come here and diss the moderators because they didn't jump off their chairs for every rubbish outfit out there is (or because you say they should) equally ridiculous on your part.

You have the responsibility to reasonably take care of yourself in respect of things you buy and services you use and research you do. You pasted the links, did your research so well done to you. This site hasn't gotten there yet, because they haven't come across it sufficiently in their day-to-day operations. Now you may not agree with it, but i haven't read your appreciation or thanks for allowing you to enjoy a forum that allows a great thing: for people like you to voice their opinion and others to agree, disagree, discuss and argue the points.

Maybe you owe a thanks for that instead of a sarcastic "well done mods" post.

 

[Igor82]

same time KK

was typing while you posted and realised you managed to say the whole thing in a sinle paragraph haha

 

[KasinoKing]

was typing while you posted and realised you managed to say the whole thing in a single paragraph haha

Thanks - I AM the anti-VWM!

KK

 

[miled]

I do not write about it on every website.

To rogue or not recommend a site, that site must be in breach of their own terms and act out of accordance of it's own advertised rules

All 40 Playtech casino withdraw jackpot over several years? no, only few of them, but all were added to the not recommend list. Whats broke all the others? They followed their terms.

 

[Igor82]

I do not write about it on every website.


All 40 Playtech casino withdraw jackpot over several years? no, only few of them, but all were added to the not recommend list. Whats broke all the others? They followed their terms.

Still not following your point. It's Bryan's call - he felt it was large enough to make an announcement and warn players as well as reaffirm any accredited casinos were not using such terminology. It was in relation to a game supplier and a reply to investigation results, performed by CM, and they acted it out on a site they own within the parameters they feel are suitable for such an announcement.

So since they did that, now they need to act the same way for every claim and every notice according to you? isn't that what the forum is there for?

or shall they remove the warning instead, for evens Stevens? Again, i'm not seeing any thanks for the work done on that one.

Meh, personal forkifikation on this one. It's not getting through.

 

[Przecinek]

No!
Haven't you read anything Max has just posted?

Casinos can have ANY terms they like; Players can agree to them and play, or not like them and avoid the place.
Like Max said, CM is not the "Casino Police".

KK

It's not, but CM is recognized as "Advocate of fair play". And KK, suggesting it's cool to have rip off terms (that folks often don't read and we know that - not only when it comes to casinos but in gerenal) is not "fair play" in my book.

And following Igors example if a taxi is charging $30/km instead of 3$ I will try to inform others as I am a good person and don't like others to feel misery and pain when they are conned. Same with apples or anything else. It seems others prefer to watch people drop cash into a broken vending machine rather than let them know, after all it clearly says "not operational" on the led screen...

 

[maxd]

Meh, personal forkifikation on this one. It's not getting through.

+1. Guy seems interested only in slagging us off for not doing more of the good work that we already do. Must be a weird troll thing: "you suck because you didn't do MORE of that great stuff!".

Or maybe something got lost in translation. :meh:

Either way, methinks tis the hour of the fork indeed.

 

[miled]

I think it was a misunderstanding of the requirements of the player.

he wanted us to more or less shut the casino down

He asked for help in getting money from casino or close the casino. I do not know a person who started PAB. The guy who lost $45K was unable to register on your site (he was detected like a spambot).

 

[maxd]

Oy vey! What is it with you guys? If AdamEve is such a crap-hole and you want us to know about it then file your own PAB. A few of those and we'll know soon enough what the story is. How is that so hard to understand?

No matter how much complaining you do here on the forums you are accomplishing pretty much zero of what you say you want so badly.

And if some PABer's case was misunderstood then he/she is welcome to clarify the misunderstanding. Bitching at us on the forums with incoherent grumblings is probably the least effective way imaginable to accomplish that.

Or are you guys all from some Russian forum and using Google Translate to read and write the posts here? That would explain a lot. Well translate this: Google Translate is no good at translation! It has only two features that are worthwhile, it is cheap and it is easy to use. The results it produces are crap. You decide what your priorities are.

 

[miled]

guys? no guys here. I'm alone. AdamEve isn't owe me money.

Do u confirm that they did not ask "getting money from casino"? PAB was to end with the words "I ask you to help me get the money back or advise me how to act." Do you got another PAB?

 

[dionysus]

guys? no guys here. I'm alone. AdamEve isn't owe me money.

Do u confirm that they did not ask "getting money from casino"? PAB was to end with the words "I ask you to help me get the money back or advise me how to act." Do you got another PAB?

If they don't owe you money, and it isn't your PAB, why would Max even discuss someone else's PAB with you?

 

[Cleveland]

guys? no guys here. I'm alone. AdamEve isn't owe me money.

Do u confirm that they did not ask "getting money from casino"? PAB was to end with the words "I ask you to help me get the money back or advise me how to act." Do you got another PAB?

 

[miled]

Just ask yourself "Why am I doing this?"

 

[dionysus]

Just ask yourself "Why am I doing this?"

I dunno..grudge? Pita?

 

[Cleveland]

Just ask yourself "Why am I doing this?"

Which part, the wasting time? I'm bored so you're at least entertaining me. There is an easy to follow set of rules / procedures in place for handling casino complaints. Follow it, and maybe what you "wish" would happen would happen. Don't follow it, and you simply will continue to be my entertainment. If it's not your complaint then tell the other person how to solve it.

 

[maxd]

PAB was to end with the words "I ask you to help me get the money back or advise me how to act." Do you got another PAB?

I have no such PAB on file regarding AdamEve Poker. In the one case I do have the player told us of the meltdown at AdamEve Poker and asked that we shut the casino down until the poker people paid their players. I said this was beyond the scope of the Pitch-A-Bitch process and that I recommended they post their issue to the forums. They said they were fine with that and that they would post. So where's the problem? And if there really is a problem here why am I hearing about it from you and not the player concerned?

Just ask yourself "Why am I doing this?"

Just ask yourself "what am I trying to say?" If "why am I doing this?" is supposed to mean something to me I'm afraid it got lost in translation. If you guys want to raise your issue on an English language forum it helps to have someone who speaks the language (coherently) doing it for you. Otherwise we end up with a bunch of bad translations and a lot of misunderstanding.

 

[KotDaVinci]

1king

I believe at least on of the cardinal rules is broken. 1king casino which belongs to this group (mentioned above) is suspended. So is my money. On the page in question they say
"1King.com Casino operations have been suspended. Your account related questions may be addressed to [email protected]. We apologize for any inconvenience."
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