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XXL Casino: Slow pay - No pay ??

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Copenhagen, Denmark
Since sep. 12 I have been waiting for my withdrawal from XXL.
Sep. 15 I get a auto-mail that it has been processed to my neteller account, but no money shows up.
Sep. 20 I get a mail from support saying they are having "technical issues in releasing winnings" to their players.
I am in contact with the casino contact Frank, but he is at least one week between his answers, and his answers are just stalling replies to my query. No progress has been made as to when I will se my money, and I am rather tired of it.

Are others experiencing this kind of severe delay / non-payment from XXL?
 
The lack of response from Frank is worrying as he seemed to be quite forthcoming when posting in the forum a couple of months ago. There are likely to be even more casinos who face financial difficulties as they struggle to make ends meet with a dwindling customer base. I do hope that some of the lesser casinos, be they RTG, Playtech or MG actually wind up in the next year or so and leave only a handful behind so that there is no oversupply of casinos for the gambler's buck. This way they can continue to survive and better customer services will then ensue.
 
Hi Sweiger

I just get noticed of this thread today thanks to chuchu59. Like I previously stated in a PM message I've send the neteller screenshot to 800Pay, they confirmed me the transfer was made to neteller. Until now we didn't receive a confirmation from neteller.

They also would not disclose with us any transaction related to your account.

Anyway I'll look again into it and hope to get some new information for you.
 
Hi Sweiger

I just get noticed of this thread today thanks to chuchu59. Like I previously stated in a PM message I've send the neteller screenshot to 800Pay, they confirmed me the transfer was made to neteller. Until now we didn't receive a confirmation from neteller.

They also would not disclose with us any transaction related to your account.

Anyway I'll look again into it and hope to get some new information for you.

Are you having other problems with accepting neteller deposits and processing cashouts? I've heard that several Playtech sites including yours are auto-declining any Neteller transaction, and I know that Kiwi has removed it as a deposit option altogether a couple of weeks ago.
 
The strange thing lately is that we (our Payment processor in our name) have processed payouts to players neteller accounts and for unknown reason at least to me the players never got their account credited. This is getting investigated.
 
The strange thing lately is that we (our Payment processor in our name) have processed payouts to players neteller accounts and for unknown reason at least to me the players never got their account credited. This is getting investigated.

Ok, but it's very frustrating when nothing happens. And you haven't answered me about my other withdrawal still waiting while this one is being investigated: Why don't you just send me a bank check for that?

for the record: I have 2 withdrawals, the one originally mentioned, and another being held hostage while the first withdrawal hopefully is being sorted out.
 
The strange thing lately is that we (our Payment processor in our name) have processed payouts to players neteller accounts and for unknown reason at least to me the players never got their account credited. This is getting investigated.

Is it just cashouts, or is your processor declining deposits as well?
 
@ schweiger

I can understand your frustration but I hope you can understand that we can't send 2 time the same payment before resolving this issue with neteller. But I'm sure it will be sorted out for you. All your previous cashouts were handled just fine and in a timely manner. I also absolutely believe you that you didn't get your cashout credited to your account. By some other players with no history in our casino it looks a little more suspicious.

@ BBKPoker

No, deposits using neteller work just fine, not sure if from every countries so but Germany,UK,France,Russia,Spain,Italia etc. are working just fine as of yesterday at least.
 
@ schweiger

I can understand your frustration but I hope you can understand that we can't send 2 time the same payment before resolving this issue with neteller. But I'm sure it will be sorted out for you. All your previous cashouts were handled just fine and in a timely manner. I also absolutely believe you that you didn't get your cashout credited to your account. By some other players with no history in our casino it looks a little more suspicious.

@ BBKPoker

No, deposits using neteller work just fine, not sure if from every countries so but Germany,UK,France,Russia,Spain,Italia etc. are working just fine as of yesterday at least.

Probably just the playtech bonus ban thing then for some of the people I've heard it from.

Thank you very much for your direct answer, much appreciated to have such a responsive representative.
 
While I believe that Schweiger should be patient with his first withdrawal, the 2nd one should be released to him using another payment method as quickly as possible.

the main problem here is that when an account get investigated we first need to resolve the first issue or things could get messed up even more. Schweiger being a long time loyal player in our casino I'll see what else could be done in the mean time.
 
xxl club at last frickin hate coming.

Well isnt it nice finaly to meet a rep from xxl club well can i just say i do not beleive a word that you type. I made a withdrawl and it was approved on 1st off september 2007 by moneybookers not neteller and you have still not paid me.

And the worst thing is you do not reply to my emails other than some kind off bull s##t auto bot mailing thing you suck and you lie.

dam to you not have anykind off honour with such dribble as you post at casinomeister off all places. LOL i will pm you offcourse because you will pay me thats for sure.

And it was not a big withdrawl but im allmost down to my lasts after a shity 2 months here is the line you hit me with in my email from yur club lol.

We understand where you are coming from. However,
due to inevitable circumstances that has arise, matters on processing your
cash out has been affected by technical difficulties.

How can a casino have technical difficulties for two months lol and still take others money.

PS. this was my 1st post did not make it as far as the introductions forum.

And all abusive language was soily directed at xxl club casino.
 
Well isnt it nice finaly to meet a rep from xxl club well can i just say i do not beleive a word that you type. I made a withdrawl and it was approved on 1st off september 2007 by moneybookers not neteller and you have still not paid me.

Please PM me your casino account so I can clarify this with our payment processor. I'm not aware of any actual moneybookers technical issue.
 
Well isnt it nice finaly to meet a rep from xxl club well can i just say i do not beleive a word that you type. I made a withdrawl and it was approved on 1st off september 2007 by moneybookers not neteller and you have still not paid me.

And the worst thing is you do not reply to my emails other than some kind off bull s##t auto bot mailing thing you suck and you lie.

dam to you not have anykind off honour with such dribble as you post at casinomeister off all places. LOL i will pm you offcourse because you will pay me thats for sure.

And it was not a big withdrawl but im allmost down to my lasts after a shity 2 months here is the line you hit me with in my email from yur club lol.

We understand where you are coming from. However,
due to inevitable circumstances that has arise, matters on processing your
cash out has been affected by technical difficulties.

How can a casino have technical difficulties for two months lol and still take others money.

PS. this was my 1st post did not make it as far as the introductions forum.

And all abusive language was soily directed at xxl club casino.

Sadly, this does you no favours. The rep has actually been one of the more forthcoming we have ever seen here for a Playtech branded casino. This problem is probably down to Neteller. Neteller have an appalling reputation for this kind of thing, and it once took me 9 MONTHS to work out what on earth was going on.
The problem was that the payment processor must have a merchant account at Neteller. They send an instruction to Neteller to transfer the payout to the player's Neteller account. If the merchant account does not have the funds at the time to process the transaction, it will fail, however, as far as the payment processor is concerned, it will succeed. If the payment processor receives a complaint, Neteller will not disclose details related to the customer account where payment has been made, however, if the PLAYER takes it up with Neteller, they will be told to contact the MERCHANT.
I broke the 9 month deadlock by contacting eCogra, and threatening Neteller with a complaint to the FSA.
If this is a repeat EXACTLY of my problem, the player will see the withdrawal from XXLClub on their statement as an attempted payment, but it will be marked as "declined" by Neteller. This means the merchant account is NSF for the transfer. If there is no sign whatsoever in the player account, the problem is probably one of those notorious "timeout" issues in reverse, where the processor makes payment, but the money ends up in limbo somewhere and is hard to trace due to Neteller's lack of cooperation - they will not deal with one of the two parties to find a resolution, they have to deal with both, and this relies on internal communications working well, which they don't.
As this seems to be a persistent problem, and over a couple of months, there is the danger of the casino becoming seen as a bad risk or rogue, and this will cause them to lose players, both current and new.
As said, this is not the first time that Playtech casinos have had trouble with Neteller, and I get the impression that Neteller do not really trust the processors involved with Playtech, and this is what has lead to past problems at Kiwi and others.
XXLClub should recognise these as "exceptional circumstances" and pay players by other means on request even where normal procedure is to pay out to Neteller. Once the issue is resolved with Neteller and the affected players, normal procedures can be resumed. New players of undefined risk can simply be asked to wait for a while to ensure their deposit clears before being paid by an alternative method. Neteller claim they do not allow chargebacks, so if casinos worry about this, or have even had it happen, then Neteller are liars! (I know this, they have lied to me on occasion, and lied to all their US clients last February).
 
vinlyweatherman just kissed xxl clubs ass

Well vinylweatherman when i have time to read your whole post i will i got to the 1st sentence, And if you had read my post properly you would off know that my withdrawl was by moneybookers. Not neteller lol and i sent a pm to the rep he sent 1 back but i still have not heard from him or the casino.

Also the way i have been treated by xxl club has been appalling and i have every right to tell him he sucks and hes still sucking as he has not sorted it out.

And when he does he will not get any thanks from me as there should off been no problems at all in 1st place.
 
Well vinylweatherman when i have time to read your whole post i will i got to the 1st sentence, And if you had read my post properly you would off know that my withdrawl was by moneybookers. Not neteller lol and i sent a pm to the rep he sent 1 back but i still have not heard from him or the casino.

Also the way i have been treated by xxl club has been appalling and i have every right to tell him he sucks and hes still sucking as he has not sorted it out.

And when he does he will not get any thanks from me as there should off been no problems at all in 1st place.

Well, that title was totally unwarranted. Even if VWM was slightly wrong on the facts, that was no reason to chide him. If you had bothered to read his posts, you will understand that he always stands by the players and rebuke the casinos for their tardiness and wrongdoings.
 
Well vinylweatherman when i have time to read your whole post i will i got to the 1st sentence, And if you had read my post properly you would off know that my withdrawl was by moneybookers. Not neteller lol and i sent a pm to the rep he sent 1 back but i still have not heard from him or the casino.

Also the way i have been treated by xxl club has been appalling and i have every right to tell him he sucks and hes still sucking as he has not sorted it out.

And when he does he will not get any thanks from me as there should off been no problems at all in 1st place.

Momma always said you attract more flies with honey than by kicking them in the nuts.


.....or was that vinegar?
 
No title because people getting 2 touchy 2 serious lol

Hi chuchu59 he did not stand by me, And i will never stand by him!
Even if hes and ok bloke, Some times things work out like that.

Also i would like to add i have still not been paid by xxl club and the rep has not been back to me after asking for details etc on the date off my original post.

I only talk trash to people who deserve it and the rep is part off the xxl club organasiation so thats his look out. If they dont pay him for doing his job also then i will happly take back all of my comments and be a jerk off.

VWM must be carefull when getting involved in these matters being a gambling dude himself he must understand my fury and not want to be a part off that or funny enough be apart from that lol.
 
Now Now where is the rep

Hi again im just posting to let you know that this xxl club rep has still not got back to me and his last visit at casino meister was on 2nd off november when i had it out with him.

So once again not very forthcoming ! sorry VWM to keep saying that but will we ever see this dude again :xxx
 
The on-off responses are quite worrying. Although as a person, Frank seems to be an alright chap, I am afraid we have to prepare for the worst. They could be in financial troubles as all issues regarding withdrawals are not addressed although he has written to say he will follow through. I think players should not dep[osit there until the posters here have been paid in full.

Lookawayorelse, people always disagree with each other but I never think it is right to chide someone just because he doesnt stand on your side. Can I call you a moron for blasting XXL casino? Of course not. Using such language as in your title does not win you any friends and even if anyone does agree with you, they might refrain from openly backing you. We mustnt let our emotions get the better of us in such debates. As I said above, the situation is a bit worrying. Since Playtech is adamant that they take player issues seriously, this is one avenue you should continue to explore although I am still sceptical on their promises.
 
..And the worst thing is you do not reply to my emails other than some kind off bull s##t auto bot mailing thing you suck and you lie.

dam to you not have anykind off honour with such dribble as you post at casinomeister off all places. LOL i will pm you offcourse because you will pay me thats for sure....And all abusive language was soily directed at xxl club casino.

Well vinylweatherman when i have time to read your whole post i will i got to the 1st sentence, And if you had read my post properly you would off know that my withdrawl was by moneybookers....Also the way i have been treated by xxl club has been appalling and i have every right to tell him he sucks and hes still sucking as he has not sorted it out...

WTF? Seven day suspension for flame posting. Instead of attacking VWM who was trying to be of assistance, you should have reread the forum rules concerning flaming other members. VWM is a member as well as XXL Club. Namecalling and other childish behaviour is not tolerated here. See you in a week or so.

For everyone else - if a casino has become non-responsive, please either PM me or alert me via "report a post". Sometimes managers take breaks, go on vacations, get behind in their tasks or whatever. I need to know when to follow up on things. Thanks!
 
Well vinylweatherman when i have time to read your whole post i will i got to the 1st sentence, And if you had read my post properly you would off know that my withdrawl was by moneybookers. Not neteller lol and i sent a pm to the rep he sent 1 back but i still have not heard from him or the casino.

Also the way i have been treated by xxl club has been appalling and i have every right to tell him he sucks and hes still sucking as he has not sorted it out.

And when he does he will not get any thanks from me as there should off been no problems at all in 1st place.

Yes, I did prattle on about Neteller, while your gripe related to Moneybookers. Both, however, work in a similar way. A while back, there was an "issue" regarding nearly ALL Playtech casinos being unable to process withdrawals back to Neteller, and this has never really been explained, and it smacked more of Neteller deeming Playtech casinos a "high risk account(s)" rather than more mundane "technical issues". The same might be the case with Moneybookers.
There is a peculiarity with the eWallet systems that can lead the casino processor to believe a payment has been properly processed, but in fact fails because the eWallet declines it as the merchant account does not have sufficient funds at the time to cover it. If the merchant account then receives further funds, there is no visible reason for the failure when it comes to conduct an investigation.
My rebuke was nothing to do with me cosying up to XXL Club, but more a warning that going over the top with abusive language, even when seemingly richly deserved from the complainants perspective, tends to make it harder to gain support for the grievance.

Whether Neteller or Moneybookers, processing should be instant, and there is no need to "wait x business days for the credit to reflect........." as would be the case with a credit/debit card, or bank wire. Nearly ALL casinos quote this delay for eWallets, but it is largely bogus, and serves to shift blame from tardy processors to the eWallet.

One calendar month is WAY too long to untangle a failed eWallet payment, normally these should be dealt with during the following working week by the casino's accounts department. Further delay will only serve to fuel the fires of speculation that there might just be something amiss with this Playtech powered casinos, as we recently witnessed with Action Online, which was effectively bust for over 40 days while Playtech seemed to look the other way, claiming to be "waiting for a response", which they never got because it had gone belly up.

If Playtech had shown more interest in the plight of players, they might be trusted more to do "the right thing" when other licencees hit a spot of bother.

As far as I know, only Microgaming have an insurance fund to bail out players from a failed casino, and this does at least make them more wary of underfunded licencees, and it is very rare for an MG casino to go completely bust, as often a "rescue" is arranged that transfers players to a new operator.

If anyone is worried about a casino, take a look at it's events calendar, if it has stopped being updated - that's a bad sign, this is what first made me think that Action Online had indeed gone bust (February promos in April), rather than merely having "technical difficulties" as was claimed by CS (when you could get through). Fortunately, my Action Online account was empty, and had been for years:D

I don't have any active Playtech accounts, as most seem to have something against the British:p
 
After emailing Frank yet another time, today I got this answer:

"We are in the process to move to another payment processor and we therefore experience major delay in processing players Withdrawals.
At this time I’m also not sure which payment methods will still be available for deposit and cashout.
Let me just assure you that we will honor all payments to our players.

Thank you for your understanding"

:what:

Yeah, but what about just paying by check?
And I only got this info because I send him yet another reminder.
Frank hasn't been online here since 2/11.

Wonder how many years this "major delay" will be...
 
Hi sweiger now it wasn't you who thanked xxl club now was it ? I feel your pain eek

Hi sweiger my cashout was approved on the 1st off september 2007 and i still dont have it. I think that if there was an honest problem they would off emailed me and told me up front like and i would off understood that it happens like dont it.

also they boast on there website that they provide a 5 star service to me this is a no star service because they have shown they dont give a smack about there players.

A truely 5 star service would be an up front honest we have a problem with out me having to ask them. A simple automated email telling all cashing out customers theres a problem.

And they dont do that because no one would deposit there until it is fixed and alot more wouldnt in future thinking it would be better playing somewhere with less problems.
 
After emailing Frank yet another time, today I got this answer:

"We are in the process to move to another payment processor and we therefore experience major delay in processing players Withdrawals.
At this time Im also not sure which payment methods will still be available for deposit and cashout.
Let me just assure you that we will honor all payments to our players.

Thank you for your understanding"

:what:

Yeah, but what about just paying by check?
And I only got this info because I send him yet another reminder.
Frank hasn't been online here since 2/11.

Wonder how many years this "major delay" will be...

This is not good, Frank should have known this and told players what was happening. It should also have been on the website, so that players could make an informed choice as to whether to deposit or wait till the new processor agreement was in place. This looks like another case of cashflow coming before players. In the current climate, there is no certainty about being able to sort out a new processor quickly, given that many have pulled out due to fears about their exposure to action resulting from UIGEA.
This case is particularly odd, this being a Playtech casino that would not have active US players in any case, thus the usual reason for an unscheduled change of processor is not valid. This certainly looks like a crisis driven change, rather than a planned one, otherwise the departing processor whould have finished up the payments allocated to it, and the withdrawal of the OP was from 1st September, and it took till now to hear there were delays because of a change of processor. This suggests there was trouble all the way back then in late August and early September, and so far nearly two months have passed without a resolution. It seems management wanted to keep quiet about this, as players departing for the period while the new contract was put in place could cause the business to fail.
Since this issue does not involve manouevering around UIGEA, it should be a simple issue to offer players who have been waiting an unacceptable length of time the option to be paid by company cheque, failing this, a definite timescale should be published for ALL players to see, not just those at Casinomeister. This is especially important because of the suggestion that published withdrawal options may not be available under the new contract.

XXL Club must consider the fact that trust has worn rather thin. There have been other casinos that have spun out stories of delays, changes of processor, new procedures, etc. that have actually masked some VERY severe issues. The HippoJo saga started out this way, with players being told there were just technical issues holding up payments, but it turned out there was a full blown crisis that has lead to many players unpaid for 7 months. We have Action Online, having "technical issues" with verifying player IDs, which were nothing more than a stalling tactic to hide the fact they had gone bust and were trying to trade out of a hole by taking more deposits in the hope of paying players and keeping afloat.
Keeping quiet does not help, this will be interpreted in the most negative way imaginable, giving regular updates will help, and the truth will eventually come out, and it would be best for us to see that we were being kept fully informed all along, and not being mislead into believing all would be well soon.
 
I have to agree with VWM here - as a Playtech operation XXL is not in the US market and therefore the processor excuse (and the lamentable lack of advance warning to players) rings hollow.

That, allied to the bad communications and MIA representative here does suggest, as Vinyl speculates, "cash flow before customers."

Until there is more clarity here I would recommend caution.
 
I have been in contact with Frank - the casino rep. They are in the midst of relocating.

Also we are moving our complete payment solution away from 800Pay and therefore some withdrawals arent process in a timely fashion as 800Pay want to make a clear finale report to pass over the casino accountability to the new service provider.

By the end of the month we should be completely operational and have refunded the new payment methods to process the pending withdrawals.
So a couple of more weeks and you guys should be paid. Fuckin' A! :thumbsup:

:what:

Let me see what's up with that. Sounds like someone initiated a triple-P. (piss-poor-plan)
 
LOL - PPP indeed!

This sort of inefficiency irritates me; there's no problem taking the deposits in a flash, but there are hassles and worse, delays (which should have been forseen) when it comes to paying the players.

Surely the professional thing to do would have been emails and a website notice warning that a change of processor was in progress. Things tend to go smoother when companies are just honest and upfront instead of expecting the players to put up with problems not of their making.

Were players front-of-mind when these changes were planned? It doesn't appear so.
 
why they need a processor?

paying throught neteller is a matter of a mouse click.

why does anyone need a "payment processor" for this simple act?

even if they want outsourcing, when they relocate, they can take an internet connection and send out the payments.....
that complicated?
 
paying throught neteller is a matter of a mouse click.

why does anyone need a "payment processor" for this simple act?

even if they want outsourcing, when they relocate, they can take an internet connection and send out the payments.....
that complicated?

This probably only applies to payment through Neteller, they would need a processor for the other methods.
Clearly, this was a planned change, and they knew full well there would be a temporary delay in processing payments while the changeover went ahead. They would also have been told by the new processor how long it would take to get payments going again. Despite this, they opted to deliberately keep players in the dark, or give out generic "technical problem" type excuses to cover this period, the intention clearly was to prevent deposits from drying up for the 4 week period of "limbo". This denied players the choice of holding back from playing till the change was complete, and left players expecting normal service when nothing of the sort was even possible.
This will do PERMANENT damage to the relationship of trust, and that is really all that can be relied upon given the ineffectiveness of a large number of the software providers and licencing juristictions in protecting the interests of the players.
As with the proverbial boy who cried "wolf", the next time that XXLClub hits a technical hitch, which might indeed be a minor 24/48 hour delay, players will be less likely to believe the explanation as they will think "that's what they said last time, and look what really..........."

Take an extreme case, Virtual Group. If they came here, and tried to convince us they had really mended their ways and would behave in the most reputable manner from now on, how many here would believe it!
 
I have been in contact with Frank - the casino rep. They are in the midst of relocating.
Also we are moving our complete payment solution away from 800Pay and therefore some withdrawals arent process in a timely fashion as 800Pay want to make a clear finale report to pass over the casino accountability to the new service provider.

By the end of the month we should be completely operational and have refunded the new payment methods to process the pending withdrawals.

So a couple of more weeks and you guys should be paid. Fuckin' A! :thumbsup:

:what:

Let me see what's up with that. Sounds like someone initiated a triple-P. (piss-poor-plan)

So, among others, I should expect to be paid tomorrow? :rolleyes:
I doubt that very much! Until now, the only thing I've recieved is Frank's asking for my patience and understanding. And he hasn't been here since 2/11.
If I don't pay my bills, I end up in court, Frank.
How do you sleep at night, Frank?
 

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