Wtf happened to Dead or Alive

[brianmon]

So unless someone tells you its rigged, you won't believe them. What a great mentality that is

Remind me again why you play? It's a weird duality isn't it:

1. It's all rigged!
2. I still play though

So everyone who works for NetEnt is privileged to such commercially sensitive information?
And are allowed to discuss it in a public forum?

What would happen if you were asked to change the variance of one of your games?
Would you be allowed to discuss it openly, or would it be covered by some 'IP protection rule'?

And for the record, I've played it less and less as the changes became more apparent.

 

[slotter999]

So everyone who works for NetEnt is privileged to such commercially sensitive information?
And are allowed to discuss it in a public forum?

What would happen if you were asked to change the variance of one of your games?
Would you be allowed to discuss it openly, or would it be covered by some 'IP protection rule'?

And for the record, I've played it less and less as the changes became more apparent.

I've asked this question elsewhere but never really got an answer and this isn't meant to be a confrontational / provocative question.

what action / evidence would you need to see in order to be convinced 100% one way or the other?

Genuinely interested to see where the bar sits on that question.

 

[brianmon]

I've asked this question elsewhere but never really got an answer and this isn't meant to be a confrontational / provocative question.

what action / evidence would you need to see in order to be convinced 100% one way or the other?

Genuinely interested to see where the bar sits on that question.

I don't really expect to see any real proof to be shown in a public gambling forum.
But it would be a start, if the testing houses displayed the certificates on their websites, for the games they've tested. it would be interesting to see the history of certificates for the NetEnt games which were converted to HTML5


Even IF they have changed the game, they've done nothing illegal.
But there again who knows what lengths a company will go to, to increase its income and prop its share prices up?

 

[trancemonkey]

So everyone who works for NetEnt is privileged to such commercially sensitive information?
And are allowed to discuss it in a public forum?

What would happen if you were asked to change the variance of one of your games?
Would you be allowed to discuss it openly, or would it be covered by some 'IP protection rule'?

And for the record, I've played it less and less as the changes became more apparent.

The fact that we changed the maths on a game would not be some big secret...
HOW we changed the maths might be covered by IP, as that gives an insight in to the heart of the game - but the fact something HAS changed is hardly a secret.
I would see no issue in saying "Yeah we changed the maths on a game" - and changing the maths is hardly commerically sensitve.

 

[suchfun]

So unless someone tells you its rigged, you won't believe them. What a great mentality that is

Remind me again why you play? It's a weird duality isn't it:

1. It's all rigged!
2. I still play though

where does he say It's rigged??

"And no not rigged just changed "

 

[slotter999]

where does he say It's rigged??

"And no not rigged just changed "

Very selective quoting there.

Go and read again his next comment immediately afterwards.

 

[suchfun]

Very selective quoting there.

Go and read again his next comment immediately afterwards.

this one?

"It's still rigged and changed?"

he asks a Question??

 

[Fridayhigh]

In my opinion HTML5 sucks compared to adobe flash. The number one reason developers converted, is its FREE -open source.
It has many bugs, that few are admitting too. Instead they quote Steve Jobs as the way forward, who wasn't even a coder.
His products were going mobile, and hence the power savings with HTML5, I suppose it made sense. But then again
he is not here to deal with all the source element problems across all the browsers.
ps; I miss the fact you cant play only 2 lines in DOA anymore, all or nothing now.

 

[trancemonkey]

In my opinion HTML5 sucks compared to adobe flash. The number one reason developers converted, is its FREE -open source.
It has many bugs, that few are admitting too. Instead they quote Steve Jobs as the way forward, who wasn't even a coder.
His products were going mobile, and hence the power savings with HTML5, I suppose it made sense. But then again
he is not here to deal with all the source element problems across all the browsers.
ps; I miss the fact you cant play only 2 lines in DOA anymore, all or nothing now.

Not true at all... the reson is because Adobe don't support Flash any more. It's deprecated and therefore we had to move to a new technology.

 

[Gonzo]

So unless someone tells you its rigged, you won't believe them. What a great mentality that is

Remind me again why you play? It's a weird duality isn't it:

1. It's all rigged!
2. I still play though

Ho the F said its rigged. Retard

 

[Gonzo]

where does he say It's rigged??

"And no not rigged just changed "

He es an asshole. In the begining i liked him. But now he shows that unless u dont agrre with him or belive him he tryes to make u look stupid.

 

[Tirilej]

He es an asshole. In the begining i liked him. But now he shows that unless u dont agrre with him or belive him he tryes to make u look stupid.

You do look stupid now. That is really childish behaviour calling anyone a retard or an asshole. If you want to get banned from here you're doing a great job.

 

[TheAddict]

Ho Feng-shang seemed like a decent man so if he said it is rigged i agree with him tbh.

 

[interlog]

In my opinion HTML5 sucks compared to adobe flash. The number one reason developers converted, is its FREE -open source.
It has many bugs, that few are admitting too. Instead they quote Steve Jobs as the way forward, who wasn't even a coder.
His products were going mobile, and hence the power savings with HTML5, I suppose it made sense. But then again
he is not here to deal with all the source element problems across all the browsers.
ps; I miss the fact you cant play only 2 lines in DOA anymore, all or nothing now.

I don't get why they took the option of playing with fewer lines away. If my memory serves me well, according to an interview I watched on Twitch, some bloke of Netent said it was because of customer demand.

What a load of old bollocks that is. It always was an option to play with fewer lines, never a requirement.

 

[Gonzo]

You do look stupid now. That is really childish behaviour calling anyone a retard or an asshole. If you want to get banned from here you're doing a great job.

 

[deadoralive23]

Unable to change the amount of lines....Seems like a step backwards rather than forwards.

Seriously though, stay away from this garbage.

 

[colinsunderland]

Ho the F said its rigged. Retard

What are you, 5 or something? ffs can't have a discussion without name calling.

 

[pedroxante]

Interlog:

I don't remember exactly what Hård said in that interview. But I do not think he meant "demand" anyway.

The explanation I heard (was told); was that it was an option rarely used by the majority of the players.

 

[Gonzo]

What are you, 5 or something? ffs can't have a discussion without name calling.

No i cant have a discussion about something that i havent said. Is that a problem for u?.

 

[Gonzo]

You do look stupid now. That is really childish behaviour calling anyone a retard or an asshole. If you want to get banned from here you're doing a great job.

Okej miss casinomeisterina hahaha

 

[Gonzo]

You do look stupid now. That is really childish behaviour calling anyone a retard or an asshole. If you want to get banned from here you're doing a great job.

Du är garanterat en sådan människa med ett riktigt tragiskt liv. En sån som saknar vänner och social kompetens. En som sitter i köksfönstret och väntar på att det ska hända något du kan köra in näsan i. Sköt dit eget och sluta blanda dig in dig i vad jag disskuterar och tycker om folk!

 

[interlog]

Interlog:

I don't remember exactly what Hård said in that interview. But I do not think he meant "demand" anyway.

The explanation I heard (was told); was that it was an option rarely used by the majority of the players.

Perhaps it was that (old age creeping in, memory lacking on my part).

Even that explanation is old bollocks still. Can't see a problem myself leaving the option open for players to use. The maths were already done and could have been transferred to the HTML5 version surely?

 

[interlog]

Du är garanterat en sådan människa med ett riktigt tragiskt liv. En sån som saknar vänner och social kompetens. En som sitter i köksfönstret och väntar på att det ska hända något du kan köra in näsan i. Sköt dit eget och sluta blanda dig in dig i vad jag disskuterar och tycker om folk!

Thanks gawd for Google translate.

And the point of that post was what exactly?

 

[colinsunderland]

No i cant have a discussion about something that i havent said. Is that a problem for u?.

no, but I do have a problem with you calling people retards and assholes, fucking keyboard warrior, bet you wouldn't say it to peoples faces.

 

[colinsunderland]

Thanks gawd for Google translate.

And the point of that post was what exactly?

He meant to post it under 'about me'

 

[goatwack]

Some unwarranted insults flying around. Perfect example of things being lost in translation where posting in not one's native tongue leads to misunderstandings and frustration. Hence the slurs.

I suppose at this stage anything goes?

 

[Fridayhigh]

Not true at all... the reson is because Adobe don't support Flash any more. It's deprecated and therefore we had to move to a new technology.

You make it appear it was Adobe's fault nothing of the sort, certain browsers and platforms were deliberately blocking it. Money follow the money. Adobe has no choice now but to phase it out.

 

[Tirilej]

Du är garanterat en sådan människa med ett riktigt tragiskt liv. En sån som saknar vänner och social kompetens. En som sitter i köksfönstret och väntar på att det ska hända något du kan köra in näsan i. Sköt dit eget och sluta blanda dig in dig i vad jag disskuterar och tycker om folk!

Now you really look foolish!
The sad part was that already after your first post I started to write you a pm, to warn you and to tell you to remove that word. I never got that far since you wrote another post.
I did want to help you, but by continuing like you do you will get banned, and that has nothing to do with what kind of life i live

 

[pedroxante]

Gonzo:
Du vet att du motsäger dig själv, va?

Interlog:
The betlines thing was a decision made for the mobile games (NE's first html games), which followed into the desktop conversions.

The explanation was the one I posted earlier. The gain was lesser complexity in the clients, I guess, with no real loss based on that it was rarely used.

I can elaborate a bit. I, for one, thought that we were going to add it when we started with the desktop conversions because it wouldn't likely cause too much hassle in the game client in comparison to the mobile game clients. And I thought as you, that another option is mostly nice.

And I can tell you, EVERYTHING was a hassle in the mobile browsers back then, especially on Android, before Chrome for Android.

But the decision was to leave it out, because there wasn't any real gain to have it appearently.

 

[Fridayhigh]

I cant remember the last time I read a thread here without some watchdog threatening to ban someone. Meanwhile the likes of LCB makes millions while Bryan will be having to buy his bier at Lidl.

 

[dunover]

Gotta love this thread - haven't laughed as much since that f%@*ing tw*t D*c got pulled for drink-driving and I learned that the pair of bellends were not going to be on TV for a while.....

 

[SpinUk]

Perhaps it was that (old age creeping in, memory lacking on my part).

Even that explanation is old bollocks still. Can't see a problem myself leaving the option open for players to use. The maths were already done and could have been transferred to the HTML5 version surely?

Exactly - they could easily have implemented this as apparantly they didnt change a thing on the maths.

Hang on a minute.....

 

[goatwack]

Gotta love this thread - haven't laughed as much since that f%@*ing tw*t D*c got pulled for drink-driving and I learned that the pair of bellends were not going to be on TV for a while.....

They've even binned 'Saturday Night Takeaway' for the foreseeable because of his antics. What am I going to do now?

 

[pedroxante]

Exactly - they could easily have implemented this as apparantly they didnt change a thing on the maths.

Hang on a minute.....

Sure, the math was there, but the decision was more based on clientside complexity and the fact the option was rarely being used.

And it was a decision made for all games, long before DoA was being converted.

 

[Fridayhigh]

I don't really expect to see any real proof to be shown in a public gambling forum.
But it would be a start, if the testing houses displayed the certificates on their websites, for the games they've tested. it would be interesting to see the history of certificates for the NetEnt games which were converted to HTML5


Even IF they have changed the game, they've done nothing illegal.
But there again who knows what lengths a company will go to, to increase its income and prop its share prices up?

You could simply write to [email protected] under the freedom of information act 2000 and ask for the RTS report for DOA before and after the HTML5 changes
I would be interested to see the reply, "fair Gaming" maybe, but not for your eyes.

 

[brianmon]

Gotta love this thread - haven't laughed as much since that f%@*ing tw*t D*c got pulled for drink-driving and I learned that the pair of bellends were not going to be on TV for a while.....

 

[gilliebean]

Gotta love this thread - haven't laughed as much since that f%@*ing tw*t D*c got pulled for drink-driving and I learned that the pair of bellends were not going to be on TV for a while.....

You’ve got the wrong twat! Unless you just missed off the K

They've even binned 'Saturday Night Takeaway' for the foreseeable because of his antics. What am I going to do now?

ANT-ics

 

[gilliebean]

Who cares about Doastan, where the hell did Johnnygothebon go? Poster of the decade

Chasing the E?

 

[interlog]

Sure, the math was there, but the decision was more based on clientside complexity and the fact the option was rarely being used.

And it was a decision made for all games, long before DoA was being converted.

Complexity that clearly doesn't exit for PlayNGo for example.

 

[The Dude]

He es an asshole. In the begining i liked him. But now he shows that unless u dont agrre with him or belive him he tryes to make u look stupid.

Okej miss casinomeisterina hahaha

He es an asshole. In the begining i liked him. But now he shows that unless u dont agrre with him or belive him he tryes to make u look stupid.

Way to go! Flaming and a troll. Go post your drivel elsewhere. Thank you

 

[pedroxante]

Complexity that clearly doesn't exit for PlayNGo for example.

I explained this a bit more in my earlier post. But sure it does, they took the decision to do it though.

 

[The Dude]

I cant remember the last time I read a thread here without some watchdog threatening to ban someone. Meanwhile the likes of LCB makes millions while Bryan will be having to buy his bier at Lidl.

WTF is that supposed to mean? What watch dog? We have admins here who rarely threaten to ban people - unless that are posting troll posts. LCB and CM two entirely different companies, different missions, different set up, different staff (they have +30) we have five.

I wasn't aware that you are privy to LCB's income after taxes and expenses.

And no, I don't buy my beer at Lidl.

 

[interlog]

WTF is that supposed to mean? What watch dog? We have admins here who rarely threaten to ban people - unless that are posting troll posts. LCB and CM two entirely different companies, different missions, different set up, different staff (they have +30) we have five.

I wasn't aware that you are privy to LCB's income after taxes and expenses.

And no, I don't buy my beer at Lidl.

Nothing wrong with shopping at Aldi

 

[brianmon]

Perhaps it was that (old age creeping in, memory lacking on my part).

Even that explanation is old bollocks still. Can't see a problem myself leaving the option open for players to use. The maths were already done and could have been transferred to the HTML5 version surely?

What would be the point of 'flattening' the variance in HTML5 versions, if you kept the ability to increase the variance, by playing less lines??

 

[pedroxante]

So, is that something that was usually done and maybe even one of the 'reasons' you got these monster wildline bonus rounds in the flash version?

Yeah, should have come to the conclusion earlier, I reckon. But it doesn't seem to matter what explanation you get, regarding anything about the HTML5 games, everything get's boiled down to the belief that the math has changed.

Even if the perceived change really has nothing to do with the math model itself.

Even if the information is coming from people in the industry or even people with insight into the particular company and it's games. Some of you still seem to think there's a sinister mastermind somewhere up high that only takes decisions that would f*rk with you/line his own pockets etc.

Anyway, you can believe what you want. I'm not going to repeat myself any longer.

 

[trancemonkey]

this one?

"It's still rigged and changed?"

he asks a Question??

I read "changed to rape the player" as claiming rigged. But regardless, to go on a tirade of insults is stupid, regardless. Heated debate - fine. Insults and hatred - not fine.

 

[homerbert]

Well, something from me (since I played DOA a lot in both versions). I had more wildlines in flash version, but never 5 scatters. Since release of HTML - I had 5 scatters 3 times and wild line once. In my opinion - HTML pays better

I think it shows pretty much real things - it is just the same and based on our personal feelings.

 

[trancemonkey]

Ho Feng-shang seemed like a decent man so if he said it is rigged i agree with him tbh.

Took me ages to figure that post out!

 

[goatwack]

Took me ages to figure that post out!

Join the club. I'm still at the 'games are random/ not random' stage

 

[dunover]

That is incorrect mate. He got banned for the reasons brianmon mentioned in the post after yours.

I would however agree that there were quite a few members here who weren't exactly sad or sorry to see him go. I should know, because I was one of them.

And apart from anything else, Bryan (IIRC) did give him the opportunity to get his ban lifted. All he had to do was eat humble pie and apologise for his behaviour.
But he chose not to, hence his ban stayed permanent.

So with all due respect Mr. D, to say he was "bullied" is a bit of a stretch. He is no longer here because of his actions, not ours.

I'm not referring to the reason that ultimately had him banned, but the hassle and suspicion he endured before he flipped his lid - it's still there...