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Wtf happened to Dead or Alive

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by deadoralive23, Mar 16, 2018.

    Mar 16, 2018
  1. deadoralive23

    deadoralive23 Experienced Member

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    I cant believe how shit this game is, from being one of the most exciting to a re-vamped load of shit.

    Will never touch this crap again, how obvious can it get that slots are fixed because this has blatantly been tampered with!
     
  2. Mar 16, 2018
  3. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    you can still play the old flash version at CasinoHeroes Casino btw :)
     
  4. Mar 16, 2018
  5. kou187

    kou187 Senior Member MM

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    I remember when they first switched it to HTML. Everyone on here included my self thought it was utter shite. But having got used to it now i kind of prefer it over the old version. As DreamRJ points out it is available on a few selected sites still in its original Flash version. However going back to it last week on CasinoHeroes. I didn't enjoy how slow it was and dare i say i prefer the new version now. :what:
     
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  7. dionysus

    dionysus can turn wine into water CAG MM

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    Can't play it anymore, but when I could , was never one able to post a screenie of the 5 extra spins or winning wildline.
    Probably saved myself a lot of bankrolls :D
     
  8. Mar 16, 2018
  9. Lincolnuk

    Lincolnuk Senior Member MM

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    What happened to it.......
    Well let me just tighten my tin hat on and tell you....

    .....strapped on tight.....

    Its called corporate bull***.
     
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  11. subsoil

    subsoil Full Member

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    And what exactly is your point? The basegame is still boring, 99 out of 100 freespins still disappointing, but I still manage to hit a wildline or 5 scatters once in a while. So?
     
  12. Mar 16, 2018
  13. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Yeah well the people that think the slots are different just because they was transferred to html5 need their head examined lol. Slots have not been altered in anyway. the RTP and RNG will be the exact same. They can not change the RTP or RNG without the slot being retested over and over again for fairness. Slot providers then will have extra costs involved in that if they did change the RNG and RTP during the transferring process.

    Also they would need to publish the new RNG certificate for those games in question as well as the new RTP as well.

    The main reason people constantly complain and say they are playing worse is purely because of the way html5 work compared to flash. The slots are much faster and smoother in html5 hence why it feels it plays different. But as I said 100% sure the slots that have been transferred to html5 are exactly the same as the old flash versions just faster and smoother!
     
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  15. kou187

    kou187 Senior Member MM

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    Fair point. I can see why people think they have been changed though. They pay the same but the way they pay back is different to there original version. Just take a look at Raging Rhino. Was once my favorite game to play. Is now a pointless blank spin fest. Yes you can still hit on it. But the base game is like playing a completely different slot. HTML Conversion has ruined a lot of classic slots imo. Done get me started on Montezuma!!! :mad:
     
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  17. Gonzo

    Gonzo Abusive troll

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    Try Gonzo the little wanker... you will trigger the bonus wich will pay u 5-20x bet and after that it will give u 10-15 deadspins and thats it... Notent is the name a provider ho was the best but nowdays no i dont wont to talk about them and what i feel about them. Fuck it leave it dont play games from netent maybe they will realeys that people dosent accept this.
     
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  19. Gonzo

    Gonzo Abusive troll

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    Can i ask u wich betsize u play..... ive played gonzos qusts sins they realist the game... i can swear to anything in the world that the game has changed... the avarge players ho play 1-3 euros dosent see it but try and raize your bets 10-20 and just se how the game totaly switch.. the only time i can get a 50-100-150x bet is when i play on 1-2 euros. try it on 5-30 euros bet and u will see. have a nice evning
     
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  21. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    The variance changed, and there's a few threads on here backing the claims up.
    Even Trancemonkey has now agreed that there's a probability that they took the opportunity, whilst changing to HTML5, to change the maths....

    "Whilst i could easily argue that the sample is small - and it is, certainly too small to be conclusive, the trend certainly shows the possibility it's changed."

    Obviously it was re-certified. But at a cost of about €3,500 it's a small price to pay.
    Especially since the HTML5 version has now been removed from the 'restricted while playing a bonus' list at quite a few casinos, there's going to be more players playing it
     
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  23. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Bet size does not matter. That is just paranoia, trancemonkey forum member who makes slots have said this many times in multiple threads on this forum. But I already knew that betsize doesn't matter. The RTP is exactly the same as it would be on min bet to max bet. The RNG is also exactly the same.

    Let me also say this as well about the RNG. an RNG is just some code that is the RNG and that RNG can be used for multiple slots. Like for example net ent have maybe around 300 slots. Most of their slots will use the same RNG. But sometimes they might make some slots that need a new RNG because it will need different RNG rules and arguments.

    Bet sizes make no difference and if you really think it does then I think you should stop gambling. All your doing is coming up with cognitive distortions that keep getting re-enforced everytime you play and lose or win and think the same thoughts over and over again, the more you think the same things they become stronger and stronger.

    If you really think that, then you need to provide evidence to back up your claim.

    Evidence could be in the form of for example 250k spins on min bet and 250k spins on max bet. Then lets discuss the results then?
     
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  25. colinsunderland

    colinsunderland Experienced Member MM webmeister

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    But they clearly aren't EXACTLY the same or no one would notice major differences in gameplay. DoA being one of the worst offenders, Montezuma and RRhino being very close behind. How do you know the RPT hasn't been altered, it hasn't been retested so for all you know it could be paying 50% RTP now. IMO any changes that result in customers noticing a difference should be retested.
     
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  27. DreamRJ

    DreamRJ Out of this world! MM webmeister

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    Ok well if that is the case have you got a link to that thread and info?

    If that is the case then ok I take it back slightly but I did say a generic answer anyway that the slot would need to be retested in the post anyway :)
     
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  29. Gonzo

    Gonzo Abusive troll

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    Yes in my world aswell it shouldnt matter. But in the real worl it seems like it does. Or is it just random that all my biggest X bet has been o. 1-2 euros. and now im not talking about 20-50 bonus i have played for about 40k euros and triggerd a lot of bonuses on all betzize that i avalible to play on gonzos quest.
     
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  31. Gonzo

    Gonzo Abusive troll

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    So just because of trancemonkey says it then it is true
     
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  33. SpinUk

    SpinUk Senior Member MM PABnonaccred

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    This thread:
    https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/page-64#post-897216
     
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  35. Jono777

    Jono777 Meister Member CAG mm4 mm1

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    What Kou and Colin Said.....

    DoA, Rhino. Monte, heck even Starburst :eek: the maths HAS changed.

    Rhino flash has changed also, I'd urge VS management to even take an in depth look at their Rhino.

    Nope not a foil hat in site, just plain truths.
     
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  37. brianmon

    brianmon Meister Member webby mm4

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    Ah well, I always do a little research before I post anything, lol

    Start reading from Jono's initial post #1245 - https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/page-63
    and the links from SpinUk's post in the next page
     
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  38. Mar 16, 2018
  39. trancemonkey

    trancemonkey Meister Member

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    Everything i say is true. ;)

    Although this next statement is a bit of a paradox:

    This statement is false.
     
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