I read all the past posts on this thread [here] and I decided to write my similar story .
Firstly you have to understand I DON'T CLAIM I AM INNOCENT , I just want to show how Party group takes advantage of those T&C against players.
Of course I didn't read "Standard terms and conditions apply" , my mistake .
Standard terms and conditions apply :
My amendaments to WPT Casino are :
In good faith relationship with customers/players all decisive conditions are pointed blank and not covered up.Isn't strage that they consider more important the rule of "This offer is for a limited period only." written in front of "9.Payment of bonuses / 9.2." ?!? Is there a reason ? Of course there is !
Due to this situation, WPT Casino has a big advantage over players : apparently less annoying conditions = more payers = more profits.
Using logic & argumentation I will proof that those rules contradict each other.
Note : B - Balance ,D - Deposit, Bo - Bonus, Bonus type :50% up to $250 ALLGAMES500, Deposit+Bonus = Balance . For 500 D receive 250 Bo => 50% of the bonus = 16.(6)%B
WPT Casino consider 'irregular playing patterns' under conditions like :
1 {9.2}. "We consider low margin betting, equal betting, zero risk bets or hedge betting to be irregular gaming when deployed to exploit bonuses"
We conclude next bets are allowed :
* more than low margin ( > 0%B bets ) less than 16.(6)%B bets . We can not define the exact allowed limit of bets.
* unequal betting
* risky bets
2 {(i)} . "placing single or multiple bets of a value of fifty percent or more of the bonus on any single game , individual hand, or round, building a balance and significantly changing play patterns (bet size, game types, bet structures etc) in order to meet the bonus release requirement"
We conclude next bets are allowed : less or equeal than 16.(6)%B and followed by the same bet size , game , bet structure , etc...
3 {(ii)} . "placing large bets which result in a substantial gain followed by a drop in bet size equal to or more than seventy five percent of the previous average bet size until the bonus release requirements have been met "
We conclude next bets are allowed: placing bets less than 75% of the previous average bet size if we gained a substantial amounth
To get the right sow by the ear , we are allowed to place bets that are more than low margin (1), less than 16.(6)%B if followed by the same bet size , game , bet structure , etc... (2) , unequal (1) , risky bets (1) , placing bets less than 75% of the previous average bet size if we gained a substantial amounth (3).
Next I will simulate a situation that proves those conditions gives the player zero chances to be right accordingly "Standard terms and conditions apply" .
A.Let's place bets more or equal than 16.(6)%B . We have two situations the one we loose during the game , and the one we build a balance .
The one we build a balance : We are allowed to play if we keep the same bet size , game , bet structure , etc... due to rule no.2 that contradicts rule no.1 ("We consider low margin betting, equal betting, zero risk bets or hedge betting to be irregular gaming when deployed to exploit bonuses") . So , we can comply with rule no.2 because we'll brake rule no.1
Accordingly we can not make bets more or equal than 16.(6)%B .
B.Let's place bets less than 16.(6)%B .We have two situations the one we loose during the game , and the one we build a balance .
The one we build a balance : (Here rule no.2 doesn't apply) Due to rule no.1 we are not allowed to bet equaly so we have to change the bet size to respect this rule .Due to rule no.3 we are forced to place bets less than 75% of the previous average bet size if we gained a substantial amounth . Supposing we still have credits into the account , we are forced to bet everytime less than before bet due to rule no.3 . Supposing our first bet was the maximum 16.(6)%B , to respect the condition no.3 and no.1 , next bet should be less than 12,5%B and so on .... Shortly , after a few hand we brake rule no.1 (low margin betting).
If there is still any chances to escape from this , please tell me I am really curios .
Regarding the absence of those conditions from the front bonus page it's well known as a marketing technique , It's like fake publicity and it's punished by law , what law ?!? If I knew about those conditions I woudn't play at WPT Casino at all .
Before they closed my account I requested history of game play , I was contacted on dec.1 and since then I have no reply to this matter:
Dear Marius,
Thank you for contacting Customer Service.
First of all, I would like to apologize for the late response.
I have escalated your request to our concerned department for further assistance. I can assure you we will do our best to provide the logs as soon as these are available, but this will unfortunately take longer, because the logs are archived every 7 days. We will get back to you as soon as we have the response from our respective department.
Also I know a story of a player who broke those conditions playing at Party Casino ( same T&C ) and he get paid ( around 1900 $ ) . I don't know if this changes something , that some players are paid and some not. I'll try to contact him to be sure that some evidence could be shown to sustain his story.
I consider:
WPT Casino has to mediate those players that had similar situation and give them part of the winnings
WPT Casino has to place in front bonus page the most important conditions.
WPT Casino has to define terms like "low margin betting" , "significantly" , "good grounds" for a clear interpretation , like in law articles .
I DON'T CLAIM I AM INNOCENT , I CLAIM THAT PARTY GRUP FORCES PLAYERS HAVING THE "OPPORTUNITY" TO BROKE SOME OF THEIR RULES AS I POINTED UPPER.
THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD AVOID THIS IN BIG WINNINGS CASES IS NOT TO PLAY AT THESE CASINOS : WPT , PARTY AND OTHER CASINOS WITH THE CAME T&C.
Firstly you have to understand I DON'T CLAIM I AM INNOCENT , I just want to show how Party group takes advantage of those T&C against players.
Of course I didn't read "Standard terms and conditions apply" , my mistake .
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My amendaments to WPT Casino are :
In good faith relationship with customers/players all decisive conditions are pointed blank and not covered up.Isn't strage that they consider more important the rule of "This offer is for a limited period only." written in front of "9.Payment of bonuses / 9.2." ?!? Is there a reason ? Of course there is !
Due to this situation, WPT Casino has a big advantage over players : apparently less annoying conditions = more payers = more profits.
Using logic & argumentation I will proof that those rules contradict each other.
Note : B - Balance ,D - Deposit, Bo - Bonus, Bonus type :50% up to $250 ALLGAMES500, Deposit+Bonus = Balance . For 500 D receive 250 Bo => 50% of the bonus = 16.(6)%B
WPT Casino consider 'irregular playing patterns' under conditions like :
1 {9.2}. "We consider low margin betting, equal betting, zero risk bets or hedge betting to be irregular gaming when deployed to exploit bonuses"
We conclude next bets are allowed :
* more than low margin ( > 0%B bets ) less than 16.(6)%B bets . We can not define the exact allowed limit of bets.
* unequal betting
* risky bets
2 {(i)} . "placing single or multiple bets of a value of fifty percent or more of the bonus on any single game , individual hand, or round, building a balance and significantly changing play patterns (bet size, game types, bet structures etc) in order to meet the bonus release requirement"
We conclude next bets are allowed : less or equeal than 16.(6)%B and followed by the same bet size , game , bet structure , etc...
3 {(ii)} . "placing large bets which result in a substantial gain followed by a drop in bet size equal to or more than seventy five percent of the previous average bet size until the bonus release requirements have been met "
We conclude next bets are allowed: placing bets less than 75% of the previous average bet size if we gained a substantial amounth
To get the right sow by the ear , we are allowed to place bets that are more than low margin (1), less than 16.(6)%B if followed by the same bet size , game , bet structure , etc... (2) , unequal (1) , risky bets (1) , placing bets less than 75% of the previous average bet size if we gained a substantial amounth (3).
Next I will simulate a situation that proves those conditions gives the player zero chances to be right accordingly "Standard terms and conditions apply" .
A.Let's place bets more or equal than 16.(6)%B . We have two situations the one we loose during the game , and the one we build a balance .
The one we build a balance : We are allowed to play if we keep the same bet size , game , bet structure , etc... due to rule no.2 that contradicts rule no.1 ("We consider low margin betting, equal betting, zero risk bets or hedge betting to be irregular gaming when deployed to exploit bonuses") . So , we can comply with rule no.2 because we'll brake rule no.1
Accordingly we can not make bets more or equal than 16.(6)%B .
B.Let's place bets less than 16.(6)%B .We have two situations the one we loose during the game , and the one we build a balance .
The one we build a balance : (Here rule no.2 doesn't apply) Due to rule no.1 we are not allowed to bet equaly so we have to change the bet size to respect this rule .Due to rule no.3 we are forced to place bets less than 75% of the previous average bet size if we gained a substantial amounth . Supposing we still have credits into the account , we are forced to bet everytime less than before bet due to rule no.3 . Supposing our first bet was the maximum 16.(6)%B , to respect the condition no.3 and no.1 , next bet should be less than 12,5%B and so on .... Shortly , after a few hand we brake rule no.1 (low margin betting).
If there is still any chances to escape from this , please tell me I am really curios .
Regarding the absence of those conditions from the front bonus page it's well known as a marketing technique , It's like fake publicity and it's punished by law , what law ?!? If I knew about those conditions I woudn't play at WPT Casino at all .
Before they closed my account I requested history of game play , I was contacted on dec.1 and since then I have no reply to this matter:
Dear Marius,
Thank you for contacting Customer Service.
First of all, I would like to apologize for the late response.
I have escalated your request to our concerned department for further assistance. I can assure you we will do our best to provide the logs as soon as these are available, but this will unfortunately take longer, because the logs are archived every 7 days. We will get back to you as soon as we have the response from our respective department.
Also I know a story of a player who broke those conditions playing at Party Casino ( same T&C ) and he get paid ( around 1900 $ ) . I don't know if this changes something , that some players are paid and some not. I'll try to contact him to be sure that some evidence could be shown to sustain his story.
I consider:
WPT Casino has to mediate those players that had similar situation and give them part of the winnings
WPT Casino has to place in front bonus page the most important conditions.
WPT Casino has to define terms like "low margin betting" , "significantly" , "good grounds" for a clear interpretation , like in law articles .
I DON'T CLAIM I AM INNOCENT , I CLAIM THAT PARTY GRUP FORCES PLAYERS HAVING THE "OPPORTUNITY" TO BROKE SOME OF THEIR RULES AS I POINTED UPPER.
THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD AVOID THIS IN BIG WINNINGS CASES IS NOT TO PLAY AT THESE CASINOS : WPT , PARTY AND OTHER CASINOS WITH THE CAME T&C.
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