Winward Casino - matter that is no longer wanted or needed

[RobWin]

I thought i was talking to max here, but it will be a good exercise any way Don't you ever do that again, okay, pal?

Me thinkin...

I've got to tell you man, I was really passionate for a few years about the Winward stable of casinos and I liked the hell out of their software but then I finally woke the hell up and discovered I was living in "Blind Mans Land" and re-smelt the coffee beans and got the hell out after I recently closed all my accounts there...just for the record, back a couple of years ago I was also in the same rebuttal mode as you are now and I would have been the first one to jump in and defend them...just for the record...yaz know...

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[lojo]

I've got to tell you man, I was really passionate for a few years about the Winward stable of casinos and I liked the hell out of their software but then I finally woke the hell up and discovered I was living in "Blind Mans Land" and re-smelt the coffee beans and got the hell out after I recently closed all my accounts there...just for the record, back a couple of years ago I was also in the same rebuttal mode as you are now and I would have been the first one to jump in and defend them...just for the record...yaz know...

Im not defending parlay, Im accusing Max of being an asshole. Simple as.

 

[RobWin]

Im not defending parlay, Im accusing Max of being an asshole. Simple as.

OK...I understand now, I guess I was a little dense to that point earlier, my bad...

 

[lojo]

He is man enough to admit or have me banned, it;s all good. changing garbage to 'matter that is no longer needed' is just wrong, dig it?

 

[lojo]

I reported my post.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Jan stry.. or his new should come here and explain this. I was appalled by the way the representatives of WinWard were treated. You think it's funny Max to change ' Garbage' to ' Matter that is no longer needed'? I don't.

Max, I would like you to meet jan, if you know him tell me to stfu. But I have to tell you, growing pains aside, you handled this situation awefully in my opinion.

Cool, I dig it, give us an email where players can register their likes. dig it. You fucked up dude. Make all parlay rogue or treat operators with respect, please.. they are trying and you nor Bryan helped them in that respect here... honestly, I can forgive you..can they? and who gives a bloody? They're just a software with a bad past trying to be right on.
As far as I'm concerned they were right on, whether we like the terms or not.

Would I drop a dollar there? hell NO but they are there for us, dig it?

Burn the house down if you don't agree.

I thought i was talking to max here, but it will be a good exercise any way Don't you ever do that again, okay, pal?

Me thinkin...

Might take a couple of days with the blind side... yip. I'm talking to Max D and I don't like the way he treated Winward... how do you spell period?

I think you owe the forum an apology 'matter no longer needed'. I think you do.

Im not defending parlay, Im accusing Max of being an asshole. Simple as.

He is man enough to admit or have me banned, it;s all good. changing garbage to 'matter that is no longer needed' is just wrong, dig it?

I reported my post.

Which one???

 

[lojo]

Not the one you reported.

 

[lojo]

This isn't your issue, Nash, and I'll thank you to stay out of it. It is my opinion about how Max treated somebody... granted, if i had a bitch I should have addressed him personally, but these things happen, and I'll thank you to stay out of it.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Not the one you reported.

Once again, which one????

This isn't your issue, Nash,

Agreed

and I'll thank you to stay out of it.

As you said not my issue other than you presently keep telling someone in another thread what the PM function is for and thus my only post was in hope that you might practice what are you preaching in regards to the purpose of the PM function

It is my opinion about how Max treated somebody...

No dog in that hunt but ftr it is my opinion that I have no problems with how Max treated anybody in this thread

granted, if i had a bitch I should have addressed him personally,

so we do agree as I mentioned above

but these things happen, and I'll thank you to stay out of it

you already have thanked me above so see above

Chow!!

 

[maxd]

I'm talking to Max D and I don't like the way he treated Winward... how do you spell period?

Ok, let's take this step by step:

You don't like how I tried to bring Winward in on this so they could do the right thing, that's fine, your right to an opinion and all that, BUT ...

a) it got them into this discussion and that was the point. I did and I do consider that a fair compromise, for all the good it did.

b) Keep in mind that Winward's track record here at Casinomeister has been underwhelming of late. They've stalled on addressing the issues in spite of endless reminders, the reps have here today then gone tomorrow (again, in spite of personal reminders), they've repeatedly obfuscated the issues by saying "oh, we can't read every post" and so forth when that has nothing to do with the issue because I emailed then and simply said "read this specific post", and so forth. Has my treatment of them been bad? I don't think so and in fact I'd say that they've gotten a pretty soft ride of it because I keep hoping that they'll step up, do the right thing, and take their responsibilities seriously. Of course they'll find this all terribly offensive but the facts are here to back up every single word of it.

c) If RobWin or anyone else wants to comment on your post, especially if they're trying to explain the situation to you, they are of course more than welcome to.

d) If you want to address something specific to me say so, or use the PMs, or email me. Bottom line: don't get your panties in a twist, you're on a public forum and if others care to reply to your posts then more power to them.

e) Calling anyone an "a**hole" on this forum is a clear and obvious violation of the Forum Rules, Rules 1.1 & 1.5 if you care to look them up. As it happens I am going to ban you for that, and for being unnecessarily hostile and aggressive to the readers and participants of this thread. But I don't think this is new for you is it, you've been down this road before if I'm not mistaken. So ...

f) Please note that a ban means you are behaving badly and should change your attitude. At the very least you should change your behaviour or you'll just get another ban. I see that you've been banned for harassing the members before so this one is going to be a little longer since you are a serial offender. See you in a month, and do try to give this whole "chill a bit" thing some thought.

Ok, that's more than enough on this. 'Nuff said.

 

[lojo]

Would I be flaming if i asked why you are being such a twit?

 

[GaryWatson]

lojo lojo is online now
banned user - repeated violations of Forum Rules 1.1 and 1.5

Not again?

 

[maxd]

I'm afraid so. Lojo's rap sheet here is as long as your arm and this jumping all over people and the 'a**hole' thing is just more of the same. Repeat offender all over again.

Personally I really do wish he'd chill a bit because I think he's got a talent for making some very worthwhile points. The 'gangsta' shtick is getting a bit old though.

 

[Casinomeister]

Lojo's gone

Well that was a nice start for a Monday morning - NOT.

Lojo has been banned permanently. He has endured several suspensions for disrespecting other forum members, and this was the last time.

You don't call people assholes. You don't call people twits. I don't care how upset you get about whatever issue; this is unacceptable behavior. There are other places that condone or encourage these types of postings; Casinomeister is not one of them - never has been, never will be. And you know it.

Resorting to name calling not only disrespects the target of your abuse, but the entire board itself. To ignore these outbursts damages the integrity of this board and deflates its strength. Members who choose think only of themselves - disregarding common courtesy - and flame whatever they disagree with, cause many others to go into lurking mode. I will not tolerate this behavior.

Three strikes - yer out.

 

[jetset]

Max, you have a great deal more patience than I have, that's for sure.

Having to jump through hoops to get certain operators organised for one; handling the PAB section for another, and putting up with this distracting nonsense just caps it.

So here's a "thanks" for you.

 

[lauram]

Just read this thread and here is my 2 cents for what its worth. After reading the posts from winward rep i must say i was not impressed with their replies to questions asked. Also with their response to max for a dif phone number or email
addy. I know the casinos do deal with a lot of us with some huge complaints and some just rubbish ones so i do see why and the need for someone higher up that can deal with the more disturbing issues, and at least give max and bryan a contact name and number to use. Face it if all of us had that higher up number nothing would get done about larger issues. But for the rep to say max just email same addy was inexcusable. Few months back a casino gave me a private number and asked me to delete it after my issue was dealt with and silly me i did just that to find another member on here needed that number so im sorry i did get rid of it. Rmbr max and bryan there are many of us on here that luv you and respect what you do, it is time consuming in the least never mind putting up with the few that toss rude comments back your way, just shrug those off u 2 are greatest.

 

[happygobrokey]

i seen lojo was banned, so i had to come read.

i failed to recognize what point he was trying to make, but it's of no matter.

winward is quite a poor casino indeed. i almost played there back in the day, when i was a disciple of the bonus-whoring how-to's. it was an easy bag: $500 sticky bonus with generous wr. but i was apprehensive to stick that much cash into a place and praying to get paid.

and the way they are handling this is quite lame. perhaps if they are bent on forcing bonus and wr on people, they should give a one-time option at signup whether or not bonuses will be used. that way, those who don't use bonuses can be an entirely separate stream from the bonus users.

but basically winward is saying they can't be bothered to change anything. the way they phrase it, it sounds like the following takes place:

...........deposit......bonus
amount ...100.........200
wr .......2400.........4800

with each being counted separately. under this scenario i can easily visualize a function for the bolded "cell" above that even my commodore64 could handle, to the tune of IF BONUS = 0 THEN DEPOSITWR = 0, and then IF BONUS > 0 THEN DEPOSITWR = 24*DEPOSIT

why can't this be changed? or perhaps it is the players' faults for not also asking the wr's to NOT be applied along with their bonus exclusion request? of course i kid here, but it might be worth a try...

i say we just chat/pm bomb their support with "why must i wager my own money x times over before i can have it back?" millions of times from multiple players. maybe then they will realize it's a real issue and not just a standard inconvenience we're making a huff over because we "failed to read terms".

i mean, sure, literally if
wr = 24(d+b) and
b = 0 then
wr = 24d , but sensibly the idea of a wr with no bonus involved is ludicrous, and not something anyone is going to be watching out for.

and if you want to get uber-technical, you could say that bonus ≠ 0 , but rather = DNE(does not exist), and the result of the above would be wr = undefined, which essentially means there is no wr to speak of, or the wr is unattainable by conventional means (of counting the play made up to the target wr).

and even in the entirely unlikely event that the software cannot be changed to allow the withdrawals through on non-bonus play, maybe you can just admit it's a retarded rule and handle each case manually. ie when the software is forced to kick it, and you are examining why, say to yourself "she didn't use our bonus so she can have her cashout without meeting wr since ethically the wr ought not exist, it only does due to our outdated/underdeveloped software, here you go, thanks for playing, and we'll see you again rather than have you uninstall our casino and post in public for all to see what (greedy) idiots we are". doesn't that seem like a smart business move, even if the software is not prepared to let a withdrawal through before the deposit (WITHOUT BONUS) is turned over 24 times? sorry if that's at all harsh, but COME ON!

 

[patrina]

Hey All, I was reading another thread and saw lojo banned and was wondering why, so pm'd another member and was filled in, so, thought I would read this thread and find out why. lojo, my oh my. I believe Max handled this with complete profressionalism and quite certainly balanced this with a calm and courteous manner. I cant see where he deserved such a hostile response. Maybe I should stay out of this but I had to say something. lojo, what's going on? You can be so sweet and charming at times, when I see this I am wondering if this is really you? I think you should really take Max' advice and chill for a bit, and I mean that with all friendship, sincerity and care. I am concerned about you. Please chill out for a bit. Kick back and enjoy that serene surrounding you were speaking of. I think there's more going on here then we readily see. You do have friends here lojo. Realize that and I think you'll see the truth is plain to see. Lots of Love,
Patrina

 

[jod5413]

It is apparant that Lojo has major issues, problems, addictions, whatever words you are all most comfortable using.

Max handled him with grace and patience. Better than I or many others could have done, by far.

Bryan, my respect for permanently banning him, rather than another "slap", you are sending the right message. Yes, having one less Lojo might get people to quit lurking and start getting involved again. A big improvement, if it happens.

For those of you that are so convinced you are Lojo's friend, there is still one forum he works his schtick at, he is there posting his revisionist history of every forum he has had problems with. His versions of happenings are, at best, laughable, at worst, truly pathetic. They definitely are not truthful.

Just My Opinion, as always.

 

[patrina]

I am not ashamed of being lojo's friend, although I am embarrassed for certain behaviours. I was persecuted before for saying something on lojo's behalf. He obviously has some demons and is it not better to be graceful then demeaning? I wanted to say something nice and caring to someone who seems as if in constant battle. Although I have been a member here for a while, I mostly have only seen lojo's, kind side, I have seen a few posts where I was taken back but nothing shocking, until now, that is. This thread really shocked me and if this type of behaviour is frequent then I can completely understand why some other members may feel the way they do. I haven't seen much of this, thankfully, until now. But to be made to feel as if I am in clique that enjoys rantings and ravings of a less desirable nature, is an insult and I'm not sure if that is the point made here, and I certainly hope not. Good luck to lojo in his future and I sincerely hope he can overcome whatever battle it is that may come his way. And that is jmo, of course.
Patrina

 

[jetset]

Good luck to lojo in his future and I sincerely hope he can overcome whatever battle it is that may come his way. And that is jmo, of course.
Patrina

I share that view, but in the context that this poster appears to be troubled, and despite repeated warnings it was almost as if he was actually seeking a final ban this time around.

IMO he didn't really leave the moderator or our host here much choice.

 

[maxd]

Thanks Jet, that's pretty much the way we felt about it too ... but what are you going to do? At some point it becomes obvious that the warnings and the wrist-slaps aren't working and the big boot has to do your talking for you.

 

[patrina]

I share that view, but in the context that this poster appears to be troubled, and despite repeated warnings it was almost as if he was actually seeking a final ban this time around.

IMO he didn't really leave the moderator or our host here much choice.

Your right and I cant dispute as I have only visited Casinomeister a couple times in several months. I just feel bad for someone that has to go those measures and like I said earlier, "my oh my, lojo" I was shocked. When I first came here, lojo was one of the members who welcomed me right away and helped me out with some issues I had been having with a certain casino, and like I said I have really only seen his kind side, except for a few threads where I was a little taken back. For him to say those kind of things to someone is something I would never condone whether it be someone I liked or not. So, I was just wishing him the best in the future and that is all, I never condoned his behaviour, no way.
Patrina

 

[paul02085]

What was all that about? The guy had to be high. Made about as much sense as the Winward rep. One whacky thread.

 

[GaryWatson]

My PC is on 24 hrs a day. When I have company at home on the weekends, we are usually drinking. Most of my logins are automatic. I got a response from one of my youtube comments. Checked it & my comment was a bit nasty, I was not banned. That was attributed to my cousin.

As many people have stated, lojo has been really helpful at times. Dont always assume it is him. If it was, he's probably been drunk, hit the online casinos, overspent his budget & started lashing out indiscriminantly.

I understand Max & Casinomeisters point of view. They must have the patience of a saint to deal with complaints & sure lojo was right to get banned the other day but I feel he contributes too much to be perma banned.

M & C might disagree, as it is them who are getting the headache, but Ive felt lojo to be very respectful apart from his days off. Maybe add a no holds barred forum for drunken nights.

There is no way to perma ban anyone who is a regular online. Too many escape routes, they will still get back in if they want. In general, lojo is a good member to have. I am appealing to casinomeister to take my points on board & if lojo offers a good enough apology, reduce the perma ban to a temp one (with a major wrist slap).

And please lock this thread. Its not nice abusing someone who cannot respond. I dont know if the OP's point was resolved. If not, it needs a new thread of its own.