why i no longer will play online....

[Chatmaster]

One thing is for sure if there has been a change in there software, not being fully random anymore, it will show in their payout percentages in the near future. I doubt this will be the case though, it simply doesn't make sense for RTG to do this, I mean the odds are in the favor of the house...

Anybody investigating the game's mathematical structures? Maybe they added a few reels?

 

[clubworld]

My only reason for posting was to respond to Kasinoking's challenge and break the silence.

I am certain most people have heard at one time or another during their online experiences that the Casino has said that it is not in their long term interests for the games to be unfair.
This definitely applies to us and to tell you the truth the only checking we have done recently with RTG is to why we have had such high payout percentages. They said it is well within the norm so we have just carried on as normal and I know no change has been made or the stats would reflect this.

Jason

ClubWorldCasinos.com

 

[silcnlayc]

This definitely applies to us and to tell you the truth the only checking we have done recently with RTG is to why we have had such high payout percentages.

This statement must be one of the many that rings so untrue for why are so many players posting continuously the losses incurred by MOSTLY RTG software and the other item was where the so called random jackpots being hit by the same person numerous times when many others have played for years and never had a single win. there is a lot here that just does not add up...

1) Numerous complaints on small bets on slot sessions with large deposits that win nothing..busting out in less than normal time repeatedly by different players for the last few months.

2) Random Jackpots being hit (and names posted on the wins) by the same few players REPEATEDLY.... Luck? I don't think so for the odds are astronomical to hit more than once much less repeatedly....

3)

In the time we have been with RTG we have had only one problem which was quickly rectified.

And this goes to show that there was at least ONE glitch...now, why deny that there couldn't be others as the players feel since they are the ones that this affects and when something don't feel right, then, it isn't right!

BTW...Thank you for taking the time in responding...

 

[KasinoKing]

3) And this goes to show that there was at least ONE glitch...now, why deny that there couldn't be others as the players feel since they are the ones that this affects and when something don't feel right, then, it isn't right!

BTW...Thank you for taking the time in responding...

The point about this glitch is - it was obvious to anyone who regularly played the game - Fruit Frenzy. (I noticed it & I very rarely play it!)
But would RTG have spotted it if players had not complained?
I think it unlikely.
I'm confident this change to the program was accidental. But it happened none the less.

So what's to say that other 'accidental changes' to payout performance of their other slots have not been put in that are less obvious to spot...

I just want to make clear I have no vendetta against RTG or any of their casino's - just highlighting a dramatic change in the expected results I experienced with their Reel Series Slots - which has been backed up by many, many other players...

I too thank Club World for contributing to this thread.

 

[Chatmaster]

Jason,

Do you have your payout percentages audited by an independant auditor firm and if yes where can we view it? I tried to find it on your site but couldn't find anything...

 

[hippo925]

thank you for adding to this thread clubworld (jason). though my experience with your casino seemed to re-affriim my original concerns, another thread seems to show that u have great customer service and your willingness to discuss these matters affirms that. Keep in mind i was a great supporter of real time gaming software until these issues came up.

You stated that "We honestly have not noticed any difference in the payouts and nothing has been changed."

But in your second post, you stated that "to tell you the truth the only checking we have done recently with RTG is to why we have had such high payout percentages..."

that seems to be a contradiction and though i would like to consider it a simple error in syntax or wording, it seems it can only be one or the other.

i think of utmost concern is how so many players have noticed "something" different. what suprises me is that players have been able to make these observations in relatively small sample sizes. compared to most, my experience on rtg slots is quite extensive and it echoes the concerns of other players who probably didn't play as much as i have. small samples when added up become large samples which can then show patterns of concern.

i have always believed a casino has little to gain by treating their players poorly or offering poor payouts. However, the situation is quite different now with recent legislation.

if you don't mind, some questions to jason or any rtg representative:

1) why don't rtg casinos have reputable independent audits of their payouts like MG casinos? Where can players find out this information?

2) are rtg slots based on actual reels determined by a RNG or are the symbol displays simply a visual representation of a win or loss determined in "another" method? (such as a "pool" method that i described earlier in this thread)

3) are random jackpots truly non-dependent on wager size? or is it like a lottery where someone who bets $1 gets one "ticket" and someone who bets $10 gets ten chances? other rtg reps have stated that it is totally random at any lines played or bet....doesn't that disadvantage the higher betters?

4) is it true that rtg operators can change their payouts at ANY time? if so, can this be done on different denominations? Does rtg provide any oversight to how often and when payouts are changed?

5) Regarding glitches that seem to affect bonus rounds on slot games: has real time gaming re-evaluated thier software to find other "glitches" in other games? Are bonus rounds an adjustable factor as part of the payout scale?

On a personal note, i played rtg because their games were fun, bonuses not too infrequent, decent hits all the time, etc. i used to win and lose all the time, but the games played fairly so it was still great fun. It took a drastic and fairly obvious change (to me anyway) to take the fun away from games i have played and enjoyed so much.

i know that's a lot of questions, but i'm sure people will get some reassurance if jason or any real time gaming representative addressed them. of course, it is hardly Jason's or clubworld's sole reponsibility to address these concerns.

I'm just glad to see someone at least break a little bit of the "silence" by rtg and it's casinos.