What's Ya Weather At?

[Steviedoo]

Snowy -2

just enough snow to annoy everyone but not enough to send out the cleaning crews..

 

[Kroffe]

Varies between -10||+5 goes back and forth, and it sucks.
Cold 1-2 days, and lots of snow coming.
+5 the next day, and its wet hell.
Repeat until suicidal.

I thought for sure the snow was here to stay when i uploaded the pic.
Should have been winter for 2ish weeks already.

Worst part about it is the stairs to my house have zero snow on them.
So even Dio can climb them (i think).
I feel so unsafe.

 

[dionysus]

lol, im healed from my last topple, i should be ok

 

[Kroffe]

Dio
How cold does it get when old man winter does his worst?

 

[dionysus]

Dio
How cold does it get when old man winter does his worst?

about -40

 

[paul7388]

about -40

Is that all. That's like a spring day here

 

[Kroffe]

about -40

Haha, holy shit.
I can handle cold alright i think, but thats just nuts.

Found this thing that shows the cold-peaks over the years.
So this is about as bad as it get here where i live.

2010		-29,9°*	-15,3°	-3,1°						-8,4°	-17,3°	-28,1°
2011	-26,3°	-27,3°	-13,8°	-2,4°*						-2,8°*	-3,4°	-12,8°
2012			-9,5°	-7,6°*						-6,5°*	-6,8°	-17,9°
2013	-25,5°	-18,1°	-22,3°*	-10,6°						-7,0°*	-9,2°	-14,4°*
2014	-19,7°*	-8,2°	-10,9°*	-5,1°					-3,3°*	-3,5°*	-5,8°*	-21,0°
2015	-19,5°*	-12,8°*	-9,6°	-3,9°*					4,1°*	-5,2°*	-11,8°	-15,6°
2016	-25,2°	-19,2°	-8,4°	-5,1°			8,6°	4,7°	3,8°	-3,2°*	-10,7°*	-15,4°
2017	-25,4°*	-16,7°	-16,3°	-8,4°*	-3,6°*				4,9°*	-3,1°*	-10,7°	-13,1°*
2018	-22,7°*	-25,8°	-21,7°	-10,1°	1,3°	4,5°	6,2°	5,3°	-1,2°*	-8,0°	-15,2°	-20,1°	-9,0°
2019	-21,1°	-22,2°	-17,8°*	-6,8°	-3,6°	4,0°	6,3°	6,5°*	-1,1°	-4,5°	-10,7°
Snitt	-23,2°	-20,0°	-14,6°	-6,3°	-2,0°	4,3°	7,0°	5,5°	1,2°	-5,2°	-10,2°	-17,6°

"Snitt" means average.

 

[Kroffe]

Ah, must have missed the top.
It starts with January from the left.

 

[Kroffe]

I know i promised not to share this with everyone @dionysus.
But i think its so sweet that i just have to.

Dio and his dad looking for fish in the Canadian winter.

 

[Kroffe]

Oh @dionysus
Are saunas a thing in Canada?
I mean like, i understand they may exist there, but is it common to have one?

Sauna+winter = love.

Either saw a hole in the ice for a quick bath, or just roll around in the snow, then back into the smoldering hell that is a sauna.

 

[dionysus]

Oh @dionysus
Are saunas a thing in Canada?
I mean like, i understand they may exist there, but is it common to have one?

Sauna+winter = love.

Either saw a hole in the ice for a quick bath, or just roll around in the snow, then back into the smoldering hell that is a sauna.

well, ive a hot tub, but there arent any natural springs around here

 

[dosena]

Cold at night, lots of rain in Cali - and some sun. Thank God the fires have dwindled.....Happy Holidays to ALL!

 

[Kroffe]

well, ive a hot tub, but there arent any natural springs around here

Oh man, i have been dying to get a "badtunna".
Been trying to convince my parents&siblings to go splitsies on one for the summer house.

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[dionysus]

Oh man, i have been dying to get a "badtunna".
Been trying to convince my parents&siblings to go splitsies on one for the summer house.

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ya, ive wanted one for years and years, finally got one for this winter (and will be paying for it all winter lol) but I use it nearly every night
I mean, it's about as far as I'm willing to go..the back deck lol (currently -24)

may you win a huge casino chunk of cash

 

[Kroffe]

ya, ive wanted one for years and years, finally got one for this winter (and will be paying for it all winter lol) but I use it nearly every night
I mean, it's about as far as I'm willing to go..the back deck lol (currently -24)

may you win a huge casino chunk of cash

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God of wine and bathtubs.
Pretty jealous.

 

[dionysus]

God of wine and bathtubs.
Pretty jealous.

believe me its nothing special, no bells and whistles, i went for a lower end model; and me being over 6' there ain't much room..but still, I use it every night here in winterland, because well, there's not much else to do

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Well this winter is looking dire in terms of cold and snow for the UK and a lot of Europe. We currently have a large swathe of HP to the S and a pretty angry strat/trop PV to the N. This has resulted in a fairly robust +NAO pattern and I'm not seeing an easy route out of it. So, if you're a cold and snow lover, prospects look grim for the foreseeable.

With the ENSO profile being so neutral and a large warm anomaly in the N Pacific, the Pacific sector is doing us no favours in terms of the forcing required to help transform the pattern into something a bit different.

I'm not going to rule out a late season SSW, but cold in March doesn't really float my boat.

The chart below shows the typical +NAO pattern- purples and blues showing low pressure around Greenland and Iceland and high pressure over Europe.

 

[mack341]

Well this winter is looking dire in terms of cold and snow for the UK and a lot of Europe. We currently have a large swathe of HP to the S and a pretty angry strat/trop PV to the N. This has resulted in a fairly robust +NAO pattern and I'm not seeing an easy route out of it. So, if you're a cold and snow lover, prospects look grim for the foreseeable.

With the ENSO profile being so neutral and a large warm anomaly in the N Pacific, the Pacific sector is doing us no favours in terms of the forcing required to help transform the pattern into something a bit different.

I'm not going to rule out a late season SSW, but cold in March doesn't really float my boat.

The chart below shows the typical +NAO pattern- purples and blues showing low pressure around Greenland and Iceland and high pressure over Europe.

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I did Geography at A level and got 'fantastic' grade [ F ] which might explain why I don't know what those terms in bold mean?

February tends to be quite a cold month historically but it's not far away now for a drastic change, does HP generally equal cloudless skies in the winter btw?

The turgid damp winter is a bit uninspiring, cold and crisp is better but then the heating bills shoot up.

In my childhood during the early to mid 80's in the SE of england, every winter was cold with deep Snow drifts, gangs of older pupils would roam the playing fields at lunchtime, looking for innocent youngsters minding their own business, to give them a 'frosty'...ah great memories

 

[goatwack]

So I got.....my Hewlett-Packard's going to get cold in the next couple of months, as are Nato and Elmo?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I did Geography at A level and got 'fantastic' grade [ F ] which might explain why I don't know what those terms in bold mean?

February tends to be quite a cold month historically but it's not far away now for a drastic change, does HP generally equal cloudless skies in the winter btw?

The turgid damp winter is a bit uninspiring, cold and crisp is better but then the heating bills shoot up.

In my childhood during the early to mid 80's in the SE of england, every winter was cold with deep Snow drifts, gangs of older pupils would roam the playing fields at lunchtime, looking for innocent youngsters minding their own business, to give them a 'frosty'...ah great memories

Haha sorry!

PV= Polar Vortex- this forms every autumn/winter owing to the lack of solar driven insolation over the polar regions. This basically sits as a mass of cold, dense air both at stratospheric level and tropospheric level- it spins anti clockwise and usually keeps cold air bottled up at the higher latitudes and helps to drive our mean westerly (Atlantic) air flow.

A SSW (Sudden Stratospheric Warming) is caused by atmospheric waves which originate at the troposphere (terrestrial level) which are then forced into the stratosphere by large scale terrestrial features like mountain ranges. These waves perturb the stratospheric PV and can then lead to a warming up of the stratospheric level...this can reverse the usual anti clockwise spinning motion of the PV and send it into reverse. This can then allow high pressure rather than low pressure in the polar regions and the cold, dense air can be sent into the mid latitudes i.e Europe, US etc.

NAO= North Atlantic Oscillation. Essentialy a measure of pressure contrast between the Azores and Iceland. +NAO means low pressure Iceland and high pressure Azores, -NAO is the opposite. -NAO usually leads to a cold spell in the UK.

ENSO= El Niño Southern Oscillation

 

[mack341]

Haha sorry!

PV= Polar Vortex- this forms every autumn/winter owing to the lack of solar driven insolation over the polar regions. This basically sits as a mass of cold, dense air both at stratospheric level and tropospheric level- it spins anti clockwise and usually keeps cold air bottled up at the higher latitudes and helps to drive our mean westerly (Atlantic) air flow.

A SSW (Sudden Stratospheric Warming) is caused by atmospheric waves which originate at the troposphere (terrestrial level) which are then forced into the stratosphere by large scale terrestrial features like mountain ranges. These waves perturb the stratospheric PV and can then lead to a warming up of the stratospheric level...this can reverse the usual anti clockwise spinning motion of the PV and send it into reverse. This can then allow high pressure rather than low pressure in the polar regions and the cold, dense air can be sent into the mid latitudes i.e Europe, US etc.

NAO= North Atlantic Oscillation. Essentialy a measure of pressure contrast between the Azores and Iceland. +NAO means low pressure Iceland and high pressure Azores, -NAO is the opposite. -NAO usually leads to a cold spell in the UK.

ENSO= El Niño Southern Oscillation

Thanks Slot5, I haven't quite grasped how all the different factors interact but have you thought about becoming a Geography teacher?

There tends to be less dispute over the natural processes/ science involved in 'geography', but as somebody who studies and understands Meteorology what's your take on the climate change area where there is a bit of debate?

Is it purely man made from carbon emissions or some other cyclical process e.g. from sun activity, perhaps even a mix of the two?

I must be honest, I'm a bit suspicious of the group think I feel is happening, scientists attacked/ losing funding etc.. for daring just to openly question things, the consensus scientific opinion should be able to withstand questioning and different hypotheses proposed, and then when politicians and think tanks start getting involved in the debate and pushing agendas, it doesn't feel me with confidence.

Edit: I don't mind which side of the argument you line up on btw as I'm not au fait with all the science, I just get a gut feeling the public might be getting hoodwinked by various vested interests, and I believe you'll give me an honest opinion that I can rely on more than the emotional stuff from activists

 

[Kroffe]

Oh dont get me started on the climate-change people.
Those maniacs!
I hear they want to cut down on pollution, and make the air and water cleaner.
And what next? They expect me to breathe air with less pollution and drink cleaner water?
Sick evil bastards!

And the worst part... Its not even 100% certain we need to cut down on pollution.
What if we make the air&water cleaner, and we didnt even have to do it.
Boy will we look like fools.

Edit: Guess wich side im on, Mack

 

[sufferinsilence]

Oh dont get me started on the climate-change people.
Those maniacs!
I hear they want to cut down on pollution, and make the air and water cleaner.
And what next? They expect me to breathe air with less pollution and drink cleaner water?
Sick evil bastards!

And the worst part... Its not even 100% certain we need to cut down on pollution.
What if we make the air&water cleaner, and we didnt even have to do it.
Boy will we look like fools.

Edit: Guess wich side im on, Mack

Who do they think they are?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Thanks Slot5, I haven't quite grasped how all the different factors interact but have you thought about becoming a Geography teacher?

There tends to be less dispute over the natural processes/ science involved in 'geography', but as somebody who studies and understands Meteorology what's your take on the climate change area where there is a bit of debate?

Is it purely man made from carbon emissions or some other cyclical process e.g. from sun activity, perhaps even a mix of the two?

I must be honest, I'm a bit suspicious of the group think I feel is happening, scientists attacked/ losing funding etc.. for daring just to openly question things, the consensus scientific opinion should be able to withstand questioning and different hypotheses proposed, and then when politicians and think tanks start getting involved in the debate and pushing agendas, it doesn't feel me with confidence.

Edit: I don't mind which side of the argument you line up on btw as I'm not au fait with all the science, I just get a gut feeling the public might be getting hoodwinked by various vested interests, and I believe you'll give me an honest opinion that I can rely on more than the emotional stuff from activists

My honours degree is in Geography but decided teaching wasn't for me.

I'm no climatologist but undoubtedly man made emissions have contributed significantly to what we are seeing unfolding with regards to global temperatures and the melting Arctic ice cap. However, I also strongly suspect that there has been a perfect storm of issues that have contributed to what we are seeing. With this, I mean that allied to man made emissions, we are almost definitely in an interglacial warm period and allied to this up until about 2007 solar activity was consistently high.

The last solar minimum coincided with two of the wettest ever summers ever recorded in the UK (2007 and 2012) which were summers just before and just after the solar minimum of 2008/2009. We also saw some of the coldest winter weather EVER recorded in the UK (December 2010), which was 0.1C off being the coldest December recorded since reliable records began.

We are digressing somewhat from global climatology here but I strongly suspect that the summer we have just had in the UK (extremely wet in some central parts), with extensive high latitude blocking, had all the signatures of a solar min summer. We reached or are just at solar min now once again and so I would hazard a guess this summer will either be super wet or super blocked and dry. Next winter looks VERY interesting, a lot of factors will be aligning favourably for NW European cold- namely an easterly QBO phase being flushed down to the trop layers of the atmosphere, a more than likely more cohesive ENSO signal and the fact it will be the winter after solar min...which in history has always favoured European cold.

Ideally for cold next winter we want to see a moderate ENSO event. A moderate Modoki El Nino would probably be optimal.

 

[mack341]

Oh dont get me started on the climate-change people.
Those maniacs!
I hear they want to cut down on pollution, and make the air and water cleaner.
And what next? They expect me to breathe air with less pollution and drink cleaner water?
Sick evil bastards!

And the worst part... Its not even 100% certain we need to cut down on pollution.
What if we make the air&water cleaner, and we didnt even have to do it.
Boy will we look like fools.

Edit: Guess wich side im on, Mack

Hold on, hold your horses, I'm not in favour of breathing in dirty air and pollution in rivers/seas/drinking water etc..

But I get strange eco adverts popping up on my youtube, saying things like 'you know the changes you need to make!' ditto the activists in london over the summer, they never said what or how they wanted change, and don't mention about the pollution that india and china are creating, which would seem a rather large elephant in the room to ignore...

We've been making progress in the west re pollution, cars with catalytic converters, energy efficient products, wind turbines etc...do these things not count for anything?

If these protesters argued for free/reduced price public transport to get traffic off the roads I could understand it but they seem bereft of ideas and just acting like a hired nuisance mob trying to make average folk going about their normal day feel guilty.