What's up tut!!!!????

katodog

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Deposited about $250 today on 3dice. Played tut at .50/spin. Not even 1 bonus! It's been this way for over a week now. :mad: This game was great around the holidays but after that it's like they "turned the screws" to tighten it up! I also noticed the lack of winning screen shots as of late.When I was winning around the holidays there were many 3dice screenshots. You can't tell me they can't change the way their games payout on the fly.:mad:I realize of course a casino needs to make a profit but something is strange.I saw many big wins and cashouts by several people all in a certain period of time,now nothing.:confused:
 

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without starting some kind of big ruckus here (just stating some points, the sample is way too small, but correctly calculated)....skip to the end if you don't like numbers :D

for the first time in my life, i asked for game logs starting the day after Christmas because of what i thought was a significant change of play pattern. the game logs gave me data for about 20000 (19406 to be exact) spins for a particular game, not much, but enough for me.

my return for the week after christmas was just under 83% for these 20000 spins, a loss of $2189.57 on this game with an average bet of .62 (i mistakingly wrote .68 in another thread.). unfortunately for me, the 2599 spins at a higher wager (1.05) returned 54.5% (majority of my loss) while the 15000 spins at .45 and .75 earned 82% and 83.6% respectively.

this leads me to believe that this particular game is set to payback at about 83-84%.... at least for these 20000 spins. the odds of hitting a bonus was about 1 in 190 at .45 and .75, for a bet of 1.05, it was 1 in 325.

the average bonus was, interestly, right at 100x the bet at .45 and .75, 68x the bet at 1.05. you can expect at least one retrigger during the bonus 30% of the time.

during these 20000 spins, the longest streaks without a bonus was 822,780,647,575,455,453,416, and a bunch at 300-400 spins. during the 822 spins without a bonus, the payback was 26.1% (did not calculate the other streaks.)

at .45, the biggest bonus paid just over 500x
at .75, the biggest bonus paid about 350x
at 1.05, the biggest bonus was 200x

my conclusion? i had really crappy luck the week after christmas...that's it.:D the only reason i was interested in the logs was because, like katodog, before christmas, the games seemed really different. but i think the games weren't really different, i was just unlucky. and also the possibility that the games are not only high variance, but also have lower payback %'s.

i quit playing because this kind of bad luck is no fun and it continued from the day after christmas all the way to last week, so i keep these stats posted next to my computer because i seriously doubt my next 20000 spins are going to be that much different, lol.

my recommendation is to keep your bets really low. also, keep in mind that you can get lucky streaks just as wild as the bad ones... just be prepared if you don't. and always remember that if you do hit a big one, you'll get paid lightning fast!!

ps. i've had these stats for a while... just didn't think they were too relevent because of the sample size. they only prove i had some bad luck.
 

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without starting some kind of big ruckus here (just stating some points, the sample is way too small, but correctly calculated)....skip to the end if you don't like numbers :D

for the first time in my life, i asked for game logs starting the day after Christmas because of what i thought was a significant change of play pattern. the game logs gave me data for about 20000 (19406 to be exact) spins for a particular game, not much, but enough for me.

my return for the week after christmas was just under 83% for these 20000 spins, a loss of $2189.57 on this game with an average bet of .62 (i mistakingly wrote .68 in another thread.). unfortunately for me, the 2599 spins at a higher wager (1.05) returned 54.5% (majority of my loss) while the 15000 spins at .45 and .75 earned 82% and 83.6% respectively.

this leads me to believe that this particular game is set to payback at about 83-84%.... at least for these 20000 spins. the odds of hitting a bonus was about 1 in 190 at .45 and .75, for a bet of 1.05, it was 1 in 325.

the average bonus was, interestly, right at 100x the bet at .45 and .75, 68x the bet at 1.05. you can expect at least one retrigger during the bonus 30% of the time.

during these 20000 spins, the longest streaks without a bonus was 822,780,647,575,455,453,416, and a bunch at 300-400 spins. during the 822 spins without a bonus, the payback was 26.1% (did not calculate the other streaks.)

at .45, the biggest bonus paid just over 500x
at .75, the biggest bonus paid about 350x
at 1.05, the biggest bonus was 200x

my conclusion? i had really crappy luck the week after christmas...that's it.:D the only reason i was interested in the logs was because, like katodog, before christmas, the games seemed really different. but i think the games weren't really different, i was just unlucky. and also the possibility that the games are not only high variance, but also have lower payback %'s.

i quit playing because this kind of bad luck is no fun and it continued from the day after christmas all the way to last week, so i keep these stats posted next to my computer because i seriously doubt my next 20000 spins are going to be that much different, lol.

my recommendation is to keep your bets really low. also, keep in mind that you can get lucky streaks just as wild as the bad ones... just be prepared if you don't. and always remember that if you do hit a big one, you'll get paid lightning fast!!

ps. i've had these stats for a while... just didn't think they were too relevent because of the sample size. they only prove i had some bad luck.


hippo925, this sounds just like the luck or should I say lack of luck that I have had on the Super Suits game there over the last eight or so days....strange coincidence...maybe...or maybe not, seems weird to me how they stop hitting for everybody all at once if they are truly ramdom. Like katodog said, where did all the screenshots go ?
 
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katodog

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hippo925, this sounds just like the luck or should I say lack of luck that I have had on the Super Suits game there over the last eight or so days....strange coincidence...maybe...or maybe not, seems weird to me how they stop hitting for everybody at once if they are truly ramdom. Like katodog said, where did all the screenshots go ?

Exactly!! Many people winning at once then nobody winning...hmmmmm :rolleyes:


I usually play Tut and Suits..maybe the other games are hot...I don't know. I never play Squirrel Pike
but I notice that when both Tut and Suits are crappy then Squirrel Pike or Moolah is good for an occasional
decent win.
 

hippo925

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TuT's a real bastard sometimes!:mad:

yes... but sometimes he's like that bastard that hands you 1000x your bet, lol:D!!!

plese keep in mind that my sample is only 20000 spins and i need to clarify that it was for SUPERSUITS, not tut. and my interest in it was because it seems to be the only game that i can't justify the "high variance" cost of playing. sorry for the confusion.... my stats were for supersuits only.

Enzo gave me my stats for tut and my lifetime payback is at above 99% for around 70000 spins! the theoretical return for tut is 96%. i had some big, big hits before so i thought my payback would be even higher, but 99% is more than excellent. over 70000 spins, i lost $113 (you can't beat that), but it makes you wonder... what if you don't hit a super big hit? well, that's the cost of high variance, lol.

my results above just showed that my luck was really bad on supersuits and medieval moolah the day after christmas to even last week (both games were returning 83-84%). i think Enzo will provide me with more info on my supersuits play.

also, my intention was not to paint a general picture with such a small sample. i could easily have asked for stats from another time frame for tut or medieval moolah and my results would, i'm sure, look a lot better! i just wanted to confirm how bad my luck was for the most recent time frame and to really evaluate play factors (for example, i always felt i was more unlucky when i raised my bet, etc)

i do know that right after christmas, my play was very different. so different that i asked for game logs and took a good look at them. really, all i can see is that i hit a really bad streak, nothing more. but it was enough to be really discouraging.
 

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The other day I played at 3D for the 2nd time. I play Tut because I like the game. I was only betting .50 to .75 a spin. When I was betting .50 I got a couple of features and ran a $30 deposit up to $170. I changed my bet to .75 and NEVER again hit a feature and ran it all out. That kind of sours a person...just give me a hint and I would continue to play:eek:
 

RobWin

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yes... but sometimes he's like that bastard that hands you 1000x your bet, lol:D!!!

plese keep in mind that my sample is only 20000 spins and i need to clarify that it was for SUPERSUITS, not tut. and my interest in it was because it seems to be the only game that i can't justify the "high variance" cost of playing. sorry for the confusion.... my stats were for supersuits only.

Enzo gave me my stats for tut and my lifetime payback is at above 99% for around 70000 spins! the theoretical return for tut is 96%. i had some big, big hits before so i thought my payback would be even higher, but 99% is more than excellent. over 70000 spins, i lost $113 (you can't beat that), but it makes you wonder... what if you don't hit a super big hit? well, that's the cost of high variance, lol.

my results above just showed that my luck was really bad on supersuits and medieval moolah the day after christmas to even last week (both games were returning 83-84%). i think Enzo will provide me with more info on my supersuits play.

also, my intention was not to paint a general picture with such a small sample. i could easily have asked for stats from another time frame for tut or medieval moolah and my results would, i'm sure, look a lot better! i just wanted to confirm how bad my luck was for the most recent time frame and to really evaluate play factors (for example, i always felt i was more unlucky when i raised my bet, etc)

i do know that right after christmas, my play was very different. so different that i asked for game logs and took a good look at them. really, all i can see is that i hit a really bad streak, nothing more. but it was enough to be really discouraging.


Yea, I knew you were talking about Super Suits, really bad streak...I'm not so sure, too many others have had the same result over the same time period for this just to be rare coincidence to me...:cool:
 

katodog

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The other day I played at 3D for the 2nd time. I play Tut because I like the game. I was only betting .50 to .75 a spin. When I was betting .50 I got a couple of features and ran a $30 deposit up to $170. I changed my bet to .75 and NEVER again hit a feature and ran it all out. That kind of sours a person...just give me a hint and I would continue to play:eek:

The same exact thing happened to me a couple of times earlier in the week.
I played .50/spin and hit some features to bring me over $200 then went to .75/spin and never won again:mad:
Btw: Just a theory but ther were a lot of big payouts around the holidays.Then nothing.Could it be a "timed" thing or perhaps an income to payout ratio thing where once they make a certain amount of money the slots loosen up?I don't know maybe just thinking too much.It just seems strange even for high variance slots that there could be many winners in a short time span then nothing.
 

RobWin

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The same exact thing happened to me a couple of times earlier in the week.
I played .50/spin and hit some features to bring me over $200 then went to .75/spin and never won again:mad:
Btw: Just a theory but ther were a lot of big payouts around the holidays.Then nothing.Could it be a "timed" thing or perhaps an income to payout ratio thing where once they make a certain amount of money the slots loosen up?I don't know maybe just thinking too much.It just seems strange even for high variance slots that there could be many winners in a short time span then nothing.

Just went over there and checked my account and I had a free $25.00 in comp points so I played approx. for 10 minutes betting $0.30 and $0.45 on Super Suits and $0.60 and $0.30 on MM and did not hit anything...:eek:,

I might have got to play for maybe 12 or 15 minutes had I have only bet $0.15 on one of the games...buts what's the damn point of doing that...I have became really frustrated with 3Dice over the past week considering how much I have deposited over the past week without even so much as a little play time not to mention a small cashout...the way I see it, it is totally out of the picture for a cashout or any decent playtime for the near future considering how all of their games have been playing and paying over the past week...:eek:
 

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Hippo925.... am courious how you determined how may spins you had done (you mention 20000). I am new at these games, so am not questioning you, but wanting to learn how to keep track of these sort of statistics myself.

:thumbsup:
 

RobWin

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Hippo925.... am courious how you determined how may spins you had done (you mention 20000). I am new at these games, so am not questioning you, but wanting to learn how to keep track of these sort of statistics myself.

:thumbsup:

hippo had said that Enzo sent him his gaming logs...
 

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if you have a page with ,lets say 300 spins............than just count the pages...;)
 

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3Dice has been killing me of late too - I did cash out a few hundred a couple of weeks ago, but since then my measly deposits only last about 10 minutes. Ok that's a lie, sometimes they last 5! ;)
 

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Has anyone from this forum ever hit a Royal Flush on any of the video poker games over at 3Dice? I have never seen one posted and over the last week that I have played at 3Dice I would bet the farm that I have had at least 20 - 30 draws for one holding 4 cards to the Royal with no luck...:eek2:
 

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Has anyone from this forum ever hit a Royal Flush on any of the video poker games over at 3Dice? I have never seen one posted and over the last week that I have played at 3Dice I would bet the farm that I have had at least 20 - 30 draws for one holding 4 cards to the Royal with no luck...:eek2:

I got 2 Royal Flushes within about 5 minutes playing a tournament back when they first opened. I guess that doesn't really count, huh? :D
 

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Hippo925.... am courious how you determined how may spins you had done (you mention 20000). I am new at these games, so am not questioning you, but wanting to learn how to keep track of these sort of statistics myself.

:thumbsup:

3dice is very open to giving you not only your game logs, but also your stats for any particular session or time frame. with the game logs in a spreadsheet format, it is very easy to calculate the stats that i gave you guys. if you only want to know the general stats, 3dice can get that for you quite quickly and it looks like this:

"Percentage 84.00
Game In Out Bets Avgbet Percentage
SuperSuits 11124 9278 17402 0.64 83.41
SquirrelPike 534 530 643 0.83 99.25
MedievalMoolah 3018 2515 3646 0.83 83.34
Tutankhamon 65 59 130 0.50 90.62

kind regards, Your Ticket-Team"
(the ins and outs are in $ and can be used to determine amount won or lost, the bets are number of spins)

and this is important.... unless you have 1000000 spins, the game logs are only good for evaluating that particular session or time frame and should not be used to make generalizations about the software.

with the 3dice games, one or two spins can totally skew the stats. if you don't get that spin, the games look overly tight. if you do get one of those spins, the games look overly generous. for me however, 20000 spins seemed like a good number (my logs included more sessions then the general stats above) to judge what i could expect in the next 20000 spins.... if that makes sense. :D
 

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Just went over there and checked my account and I had a free $25.00 in comp points so I played approx. for 10 minutes betting $0.30 and $0.45 on Super Suits and $0.60 and $0.30 on MM and did not hit anything...:eek:,

I might have got to play for maybe 12 or 15 minutes had I have only bet $0.15 on one of the games...buts what's the damn point of doing that...I have became really frustrated with 3Dice over the past week considering how much I have deposited over the past week without even so much as a little play time not to mention a small cashout...the way I see it, it is totally out of the picture for a cashout or any decent playtime for the near future considering how all of their games have been playing and paying over the past week...:eek:

lol, how about the same thing happening but $200-$300 at a time betting .45 and .75? over and over? :D seriously though, i feel the same. i actually have no problems losing a few grand or whatever if the games are fun with ups and downs. but betting micro limits should afford some play time and that has been what is severely lacking for me. if you look at my banking history, you would think i was betting $3-$6 a spin instead of .60.

does that mean that some high rollers are losing $2000-$3000 in a one hour session betting $3-$6? that would be interesting to know just for consistency sake.

and i heard there are many more games coming so maybe that will help ease some of these excessive bad runs. no one is as repsonsive as 3dice and Enzo so i expect there will be some new changes. it would be great to have different games you can play when you are in different moods. like games for when " i just want to play a while" or games for "i don't care how much i lose... i want a BIG one!!!":D
 

RobWin

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3Dice...WTF !!!

Well, I don't know about you guys but something just ain't right over in 3Dice land. I just made another deposit over there awhile ago for $40.00 and it lasted a few minutes again playing minimum bets...Jeeze...:mad::mad:

I played $10.00 on video poker...zilch...:mad:

Played $0.30 & $0.45 & $0.15 on Super Suites...zilch...:mad:

Played $0.25 on Tut...zilch...:mad:

I'm telling you guys something ain't fucking right, yea I said it, I'm fucking pissed right now...excuse me ladies, this shit has been like this over there for over a week now...that can't be no fucking coincidence that I am just all of a sudden having this much bad luck over the past week there...I've deposited over $800.00 there in the past week and played small bets there every fucking day and it's been the same damn shit...random number generators just don't work that way, I guess they think I just fell off the fucking turnip truck or something...well I'll admit I did ride it for awhile in my younger years, but I've been around the block a few times since then.....:mad::mad:

Something ain't fucking right...:mad::mad:

Excuse me ladies....:oops:
 

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Well, I don't know about you guys but something just ain't right over in 3Dice land. I just made another deposit over there awhile ago for $40.00 and it lasted a few minutes again playing minimum bets...Jeeze...:mad::mad:

I played $10.00 on video poker...zilch...:mad:

Played $0.30 & $0.45 & $0.15 on Super Suites...zilch...:mad:

Played $0.25 on Tut...zilch...:mad:

I'm telling you guys something ain't fucking right, yea I said it, I'm fucking pissed right now...excuse me ladies, this shit has been like this over there for over a week now...that can't be no fucking coincidence that I am just all of a sudden having this much bad luck over the past week there...I've deposited over $800.00 there in the past week and played small bets there every fucking day and it's been the same damn shit...random number generators just don't work that way, I guess they think I just fell off the fucking turnip truck or something...well I'll admit I did ride it for awhile in my younger years, but I've been around the block a few times since then.....:mad::mad:

Something ain't fucking right...:mad::mad:

Excuse me ladies....:oops:

Something is wrong! I just tried another 35.00 on Tut and still no bonus. Lasted like 5 minutes. I estimate about 800-900 spins now without a bonus.
 

hippo925

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I've deposited over $800.00 there in the past week and played small bets there every XXXXing day and it's been the same damn XXXX...:mad::mad:

sorry to hear that robwin and katodog... hope your luck changes!! i can't get myself to bet .15, lol. the lowest i go is .30. i always have that feeling that i'm due and if i lower my bet to .15 after losing a ton at .45 and .75, i'll get that super bonus with a zillion retriggers :rolleyes:

i actually have no doubt that you'll hit a big one sooner or later. it just depends on if your willing to risk further high variance to get it. regardless, make sure to let the cs reps know about your bad runs....

better luck robwin and katodog!!:lolup:
 

RobWin

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sorry to hear that robwin... hope your luck changes!! i can't get myself to bet .15, lol. the lowest i go is .30. i always have that feeling that i'm due and if i lower my bet to .15 after losing a ton at .45 and .75, i'll get that super bonus with a zillion retriggers :rolleyes:

i actually have no doubt that you'll hit a big one sooner or later. it just depends on if your willing to risk further high variance to get it. regardless, make sure to let the cs reps know about your bad runs....
better luck robwin!!:lolup:

Yea, I think they will know just as soon as Enzo reads this thread...:lolup:
 

tim5ny

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Last Thursday night I had a $505.00 bonus round on TuT at .50 cents. (see screenshots)... cashed out $400.00. Lost the rest that night. That check is on the way, but since Thursday I've prolly deposited back around $500.00-$600.00 without any luck either. I've had these lulls many times before and it's all part of the game I guess. I know the cash-outs will be back again. The sooner the better though. I'm getting low on money!
 
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