What's up tut!!!!????

[SlotsWizard]

disregard

 

[RobWin]

i don't even know what to say, you guys are blowing me away. Many of you are actually sitting there saying that 3Dice is crooked!

No, I'm not saying that they are crooked Lo, but it's not just a coincidence either that so many players are having such bad luck all of a sudden...variables don't work that way and neither do RNG's...

Why in the world would an up and coming excellent casino with built in profit risk anything and everything to make a 'few ' extra bucks? It's more than likely just variance and the luck of the draw. There are 'clumps' of wins and losses, we know that. There are long losing streaks and occasional megahits.

Can you or anyone else show me a screenshot of a megahit since they have opened...I mean a single hit on video poker or the slots for more that $5,000.00, but I really don't even consider that a megahit...

Why would you think that those 'clumps' couldn't also occur to a small sample of players?

Sure they could happen to a small clump of players...but not all of us all at the same time..

If you can't stand the variance it's probably better not to play there.

That's exactly what I am choosing to do...get the F#@K out of there...my moma didn't raise no damn fool...

But I think it's pretty irresponsible and below what I expect of many members of this community to be claiming fraud simply because the wheels aren't rolling your way right now.

Were not claiming fraud on anyone or at least I'm not, all I'm saying is something just ain't right over there all of a sudden, with both the slots and video poker too...facts don't lie...player experience don't lie...I've been on this forum board for four years now...I've earned the right to bitch when I know good and damn well that something ain't right !!

I'm pretty much shocked and at a loss for words, so I'll leave it at that.

Well I apologize to my fellow forum members whom a lot of you know me well over the years and this is definitely out of character for me, but damnit I've played online ever since 1995 at practically every joint there has ever been out there and I'm telling you something ain't F#@$^%g right over at 3Dice ....

You know it's starting to make sense to me now why Nash had paid Elliot to look into the games that he was playing over there.

 

[lojo]

Time will tell, but if 'something ain't right at 3Dice' I will masticate and ingest my allslots ballcap on youtube for all to see.

Anybody allergic to crow? Cuz ol' lojo thinks somebody gonna be eating sumpn

Ya'll have at it, don't mind me, just had to say my piece.

 

[RobWin]

Sorry lads but i have to agree with Lojo, a lot of ban wagon jumping going on here, you guys didnt complain when the winning streaks were happening, AND you all know there high variance slots, that pretty much says it all..

That's because to me it seemed to play as normal as any Microgaming joint that I have ever played at and I purdy much have always based that on my own player experience considered MG's casinos to basically run a fair game whether it be video poker or slots.

In all my years of play ever since MG casinos first came on the scene I've had ups and downs with all of their casinos but never like I've had over at 3Dice the past eight days...

 

[peteyweestro]

i can see where some are coming from because the truth is unless you hit a bonus round with some retriggers you will go belly up and with a quickness because of how high variance the games are, i mean when you can get 3 or 4 matching symbols on a couple of paylines and it still don't win you your bet back that is very bad and that has been my complaint with 3d since the beginning, but having said that i knew thats how it was and still wanted that try at the biggie so i can't complain right?i think lojo and others here are 100% right though when ssaying how everyone was parading around here like it was an orgasmfest because they were winning, but now that the high varience has kicked in and started to punch back we want to call foul.if the software could have groups of people all hitting good and regular all at the same time, like around before christmas then why couldn't that same software now have a group all losing together?i think they are 3dice the same as last month same as next month

 

[RobWin]

Time will tell, but if 'something ain't right at 3Dice' I will masticate and ingest my allslots ballcap on youtube for all to see.

Anybody allergic to crow? Cuz ol' lojo thinks somebody gonna be eating sumpn

Ya'll have at it, don't mind me, just had to say my piece.

Sure they'll eventually re-tweak the RNG's I'm sure and let players start winning again for a time and then it'll be time for another re-tweak...

On another note did Casinomeister ever get Enzo to agree to an independent third party testing of their software...

 

[RobWin]

i can see where some are coming from because the truth is unless you hit a bonus round with some retriggers you will go belly up and with a quickness because of how high variance the games are, i mean when you can get 3 or 4 matching symbols on a couple of paylines and it still don't win you your bet back that is very bad and that has been my complaint with 3d since the beginning, but having said that i knew thats how it was and still wanted that try at the biggie so i can't complain right?i think lojo and others here are 100% right though when ssaying how everyone was parading around here like it was an orgasmfest because they were winning, but now that the high varience has kicked in and started to punch back we want to call foul.if the software could have groups of people all hitting good and regular all at the same time, like around before christmas then why couldn't that same software now have a group all losing together?i think they are 3dice the same as last month same as next month

Simple..because variables and TRUE RNG's DON"T work that way...

 

[hippo925]

Isn't it strange that Enzo lived on this forum for a few weeks now he's nowhere to be found?

i'm pretty sure he's just very busy. i got a pm from him earlier because he was concerned about my game logs and such a noticeable bad streak... but he looked up my stats and didn't know where i was getting my numbers. in fact, he was a little "coarse" with me and my data, understandably so because..... he was looking at the wrong stats (that's how i got my stats for king tut, lol.) Enzo didn't realize my stats were for supersuits and that i rarely play tut anymore I'm sure he will verify my stats, but i emphasized to him that we all know it's a small sample and not really significant in the grand scheme of things.

and darn it!!!! i had to delete part of this post because i just saw that lojo posted some of my thoughts.

i find it extremely unlikely that 3dice would do anything for "a few extra bucks." i truly believe the issue at hand is the high variance nature of their slots and nothing else. i think it's great to share our experiences of both sides of the "high variance" curve, but that we also need to keep things in perspective.

this thread can be a really productive one if we keep it focused and objective because Enzo does read all of this stuff. I can't think of any instances where 3dice didn't address player's concerns and i can't think of any other casino or manager that consistently shows up under this kind of fire.

I'm betting this issue is something they are already working on because there have been so many threads and posts about it. (wanna bet that their new games will be lower variance? ) would also be cool if they could adjust the reels and variance on their present slots! (or would that be bad? lol)

Robwin: "I've been on this forum board for four years now...I've earned the right to bitch..." ABSOLUTELY you have!!! :notworthy

 

[RobWin]

Look, I'm not here trying to convince anybody of a damn thing...I'm just telling you what I think and my personal experience which is purdy vast if I have to say so again since I've been playing online since 1995 and at land based casinos since 1980...

 

[PNWGirl38]

I've read this thread and feel the need to address a few random thoughts here.

First, I don't see where anyone is saying 3Dice is a "crook" or anything remotely close to it. What I gathered from my reading here, is that the players are noticing a pattern. One of which, is winning one month and not getting a thing to play ya the next month. I being one of the players noticing the pattern.

I don't think we need to read anything into Enzo not responding to 3Dice threads, like he use to. I'm sure he reads them and takes them for what it's worth!

RobWin: Please don't apologize for stating how you feel. I for one, enjoy your post and realized you're a seasoned player with valuable information.

I would like to suggest to 3Dice. For the support team to really make an effort in responding to players emails. I've personally noticed that when trying to contact them via email that 9 times out of ten, I will not get a response.

 

[lojo]

Simple..because variables and TRUE RNG's DON"T work that way...

But they do. When you are in a B&M you will walk by a bank of machines just clanging away with wins, 6 out seven people will be hitting it and the next bank? Nada.

You posted yourself that you were mugged and raped across the board by casinos recently... was that all at 3Dice? You're a rational man, Rob.. I'm not getting it. Anecdotes don't get it for me either. But there's no sense in us debating what neither of us can know empirically right now.

This thread was predictable. So is the one that will come up after 3Dice is independently audited, that one will say the same things kimss and agreeable posters said in his threads.

I don't really have more to add unless its a youtube video, but I'll sleep pretty well tonight not worrying about that

 

[RobWin]

But they do. When you are in a B&M you will walk by a bank of machines just clanging away with wins, 6 out seven people will be hitting it and the next bank? Nada.

You posted yourself that you were mugged and raped across the board by casinos recently... was that all at 3Dice? You're a rational man, Rob.. I'm not getting it. Anecdotes don't get it for me either. But there's no sense in us debating what neither of us can know empirically right now.

Lojo, just exactly where is this B & M casino that you're talking about...I'd like to go there and find one of those hot banks......I've been frequenting B & M's for 27 years now at least twice a month an I've yet to see that scenario but I'm not saying that that is not your experience Lo, it's just not been mine.

No, that was not only at 3Dice, it was half 3Dice and half ClubWorld, but the difference was that I could actually win at ClubWorld and build the money up and at least have decent play time but then I chose to lose it back...

 

[RobWin]

i can see where some are coming from because the truth is unless you hit a bonus round with some retriggers you will go belly up and with a quickness because of how high variance the games are, i mean when you can get 3 or 4 matching symbols on a couple of paylines and it still don't win you your bet back that is very bad and that has been my complaint with 3d since the beginning, but having said that i knew thats how it was and still wanted that try at the biggie so i can't complain right?i think lojo and others here are 100% right though when ssaying how everyone was parading around here like it was an orgasmfest because they were winning, but now that the high varience has kicked in and started to punch back we want to call foul.if the software could have groups of people all hitting good and regular all at the same time, like around before christmas then why couldn't that same software now have a group all losing together?i think they are 3dice the same as last month same as next month

Simple..because variables and TRUE RNG's DON"T work that way...

Petey, sorry for the short answer earlier but here is the reason that I base my claim that something over at 3Dice just ain't right...

I think you would agree that we all have been discussing losing and winning Patterns here right, well in true RNG's there is no such thing as losing and winning Patterns but only true randomness as I show in the two definitions I list below:

From Wikipedia,

Statistical Randomness

A numeric sequence is said to be statistically random when it contains no recognizable patterns or regularities

Random Number Generation

A random number generator (often abbreviated as RNG) is a computational or physical device designed to generate a sequence of numbers or symbols that lack any pattern, i.e. appear random.

 

[zap987]

People will find patterns in anything based on random numbers, I see the exact same discussions regarding what loot drops in World of Warcraft as here. With a large enough sample it will always be possible to find some kind of patterns, but a bunch of people losing at an online casino isn't exactly surprising?

I've made a bunch of small deposits at 3dice and 0 withdrawals but I have no doubt the games are fair, just need to hit the big one still

 

[RobWin]

People will find patterns in anything based on random numbers, I see the exact same discussions regarding what loot drops in World of Warcraft as here. With a large enough sample it will always be possible to find some kind of patterns, but a bunch of people losing at an online casino isn't exactly surprising?

I've made a bunch of small deposits at 3dice and 0 withdrawals but I have no doubt the games are fair, just need to hit the big one still

You may be right but all I'm saying is that if it is truly Random there should be no Patterns...because that simply defies the meaning of Randomness !!

 

[zap987]

You may be right but all I'm saying is that if it is truly Random there should be no Patterns...because that simply defies the meaning of Randomness !!

Yes, but what is a pattern? There has to be some definition? Someone could claim the same number coming twice in roulette is a pattern, but if it couldn't happen the RNG would be pretty bad.

 

[RobWin]

Yes, but what is a pattern? There has to be some definition? Someone could claim the same number coming twice in roulette is a pattern, but if it couldn't happen the RNG would be pretty bad.

Pattern = is a theme of reoccurring events and sometimes referred to as elements of a set. These elements repeat in a predictable manner

 

[pacers31]

I too have had little luck with 3Dice, especially the slots. I agree with earlier statements that it is difficult to get ahead more than a couple of hundred dollars at any point. Real or imagined, negative perception of your games means negative results in 3Dice bottom line. I personally don't play there much anymore because of this so called "high variance" (which seems to be code for "these games suck") and only play video poker when I do. Not much better, but at least I can last a little longer. Another thing that kind of disturbs me, is that every time I have a little "whine" with them, they really just seem to throw $50 bonuses at you so fast that you feel placated. At least for a few minutes until it is all gone. Winning and losing are part of the game, perception is everything in this business. We are all in the ship that is close to the edge of the world and we take our chances, but at least let me enjoy the cruise before plummeting off this flat world!

 

[Matthew23]

Every single person that plays at 3Dice is gonna experience dry spells.
Every month or so there will be a thread about someones bad luck at 3Dice and any member who is also being just as unlucky at that time will post their reply saying "me too!!! I'm also losing, what's going on? something isn't right!!!"

I think it's important for people to understand that this is all perfectly normal activity. Their slots are just very very high variance. Unfortunately our brains are not good with understanding randomness and will look for a pattern in the game play. This is why people who keep winning start to feel they can't lose and people who keep losing feel it is rigged.

RobWin, your bad luck could be the equivalent of someones good luck that made them hit a 2500 x bet win. They felt it was too good to be true, you feel it is too bad to be true. I don't think there is anything more to it than that

 

[RobWin]

Every single person that plays at 3Dice is gonna experience dry spells.
Every month or so there will be a thread about someones bad luck at 3Dice and any member who is also being just as unlucky at that time will post their reply saying "me too!!! I'm also losing, what's going on? something isn't right!!!"

I think it's important for people to understand that this is all perfectly normal activity. Their slots are just very very high variance. Unfortunately our brains are not good with understand randomness and will look for a pattern in the game play. This is why people who keep winning start to feel they can't lose and people who keep losing feel it is rigged.

RobWin, your bad luck could be the equivalent of someones good luck that made them hit a 2500 x bet win. They felt it was too good to be true, you feel it is too bad to be true. I don't think there is anything more to it than that

I wish it were that simple, if the same amount of people were winning on any given day that an equal amount of people were losing, no matter the amounts either way then yes you are correct...but I don't see it like that...

Like you said in the first paragraph:

Every single person that plays at 3Dice is gonna experience dry spells. Every month or so there will be a thread about someones bad luck at 3Dice

Why is it always about 3Dice that this scenario is discussed each month like you say and not mentioned about any of the Microgaming's casinos with any regularity ? Coincidence ?

 

[Matthew23]

Because no other casino is such high variance, only 3Dice ......... not that I know of anyway

Also remember it wont be half of people winning and half losing, it will be maybe 90% losing and 10% winning, but the 10% are winning big

 

[tim5ny]

Although frustrating at times, I've come to expect these dry spells as just part of the game in which I am the "Underdog". Let's not forget that the odds of us coming out ahead on slots at ANY casino are pretty nill. The thing I like about 3Dice's high variance slots is the excitement of knowing that you're not really out of the game until your credits reads "0". Many, many times I've lost my roll down to less than $5.00 only to hit a spectacular bonus round right at the wire which put me back up beyond my original deposit.

I can live with these swings as long as I can get on the right side of the high variance once in a while.... which seems to happen pretty routinely. I will get a bit peeved when deposit after deposit ends up without any play time for days on end, but I don't ever attribute it to anything being done that is "shady" on the other end of my connection.

For those who hope that they start making slots with a medium or low variance, all I can say is that I hope they don't cave in to those wishes. I think 3Dice likes to do things their own way... and on the good side that means in a BIG way. I'll take my chances on high variance anyday over the mundane repetiveness of games like Ho Ho Ho and the likes of that at MG.

Keep an eye on the Winner's Screenie thread! I'll be bock!

 

[RobWin]

I've had time to cool off now and I'd like to first off apologize to 3Dice for the rage and flaming here that I have done and also to any of my fellow forum members that I may have offended. I am sometimes very opinionated when I get something in my head, it takes me a little while to rationalize it and recollect my thoughts, but that's what makes us all who we are I guess.

As far as the games over at 3Dice being fair, I definitely think that they are fair and are just very, very high variance that I guess just caught me off guard. It was never about the money though, I took it personal when I know that I should not have...

I have said my peace and as far as I am concerned this thread could be closed and I hope that it is...Thanks

 

[tim5ny]

Ahh! Shit happens Rob!

 

[tim5ny]

Well now,... thanks robwin for pointing me in this direction!

I have not had a cashout at 3dice since christmas! and each time I did have a cashout .. it was only for a couple or few hundred bucks.!

I thought for the longest time it was MY computer causing problems. and like I say in another thread, I feel like I am playing real money at a casino that I am not connected to! (for me constant disconnects and reconnects!)
It got so frustrating that I stopped depositting all together and played tourneys only..(won my first one!)
BUT,,, since my last win in december.. i have put that back.. i only deposit 10 or 20 and have NOT depositted there for a bit, EXCEPT tonight! (of course BEFORE I read this thread! ) I put in another 10 and nada!!! all low rolling NOT one bet above 30 cents! Happy Valley!!
Also, at the end of last month my GG high roller bonus AND GG point converstion!! ALL GONE! not one cashout! (I remember on one trying to reach 300.00 weeks and weeks ago,,,, but couldn't get past 220.)

When I inquired about the disconnects and reconnects, I was told nothing was showing on thier end.. (I also deal with really, really slow spinning reels!!)
I was asked in chat by support if I had "gotten thier email" so I went to read it. Wow..! The email from support basically said that I "might want to take a break from real play as all gamblers go through a dry period! ) I wish I kept that,,, I was so P.O.'d I deleted it!!
So I went and played in a tourney right after I read the email,... and another player came on to play and "Support" said in live chat "____ did you get my email I sent you?" (that was how I was greeted prior to reading my "3dice gambling break email!)..

I think anyone here who knows me, knows that I am about as low a roller as they get! IF after the food shopping and bills I have $10 or $20 to "spare" I trusted in 3dice to be the one to help me make that into two or three hundred. JUST like in the beginning!!

Thier consolation to me about this problem everyone was having was to pretty much call me a problem gambler!. (I love to play, I don't deny it!) I guess ten or twenty here or there is a problem? my ex played doggies at 300 a night 3 times a week .. THAT was a problem!
(gosh I see you guys depositting thousands, I though to myself "they only want big depositters there now).

So, no reply from Enzo or Support here as of yet...

But then again.. the friendly customer support I bragged about a month and two ago... seem to be a bit too busy to answer a PM or an email now.. at least from this "little person"

Sorry about any repeated sentences. (It's taking me a bit to get back on my feet this time )

Why do I have a feeling in the pit of my stomache that I have been Suckered?

I think a casino that was "suckering" you as you say, would let you keep playing until until there was no money for food and bills.. without a care about how you were going to make it through the week. Obviously there's more to the story I would assume. They wouldn't take such measures just because you're a low-roller.

And as far as disconnects and slow spinning reels, that problem is definitely on your side and not theirs.