What's up tut!!!!????

[SlotsWizard]

disregard

 

[RobWin]

i don't even know what to say, you guys are blowing me away. Many of you are actually sitting there saying that 3Dice is crooked!

No, I'm not saying that they are crooked Lo, but it's not just a coincidence either that so many players are having such bad luck all of a sudden...variables don't work that way and neither do RNG's...

Why in the world would an up and coming excellent casino with built in profit risk anything and everything to make a 'few ' extra bucks? It's more than likely just variance and the luck of the draw. There are 'clumps' of wins and losses, we know that. There are long losing streaks and occasional megahits.

Can you or anyone else show me a screenshot of a megahit since they have opened...I mean a single hit on video poker or the slots for more that $5,000.00, but I really don't even consider that a megahit...

Why would you think that those 'clumps' couldn't also occur to a small sample of players?

Sure they could happen to a small clump of players...but not all of us all at the same time..

If you can't stand the variance it's probably better not to play there.

That's exactly what I am choosing to do...get the F#@K out of there...my moma didn't raise no damn fool...

But I think it's pretty irresponsible and below what I expect of many members of this community to be claiming fraud simply because the wheels aren't rolling your way right now.

Were not claiming fraud on anyone or at least I'm not, all I'm saying is something just ain't right over there all of a sudden, with both the slots and video poker too...facts don't lie...player experience don't lie...I've been on this forum board for four years now...I've earned the right to bitch when I know good and damn well that something ain't right !!

I'm pretty much shocked and at a loss for words, so I'll leave it at that.

Well I apologize to my fellow forum members whom a lot of you know me well over the years and this is definitely out of character for me, but damnit I've played online ever since 1995 at practically every joint there has ever been out there and I'm telling you something ain't F#@$^%g right over at 3Dice ....

You know it's starting to make sense to me now why Nash had paid Elliot to look into the games that he was playing over there.

 

[lojo]

Time will tell, but if 'something ain't right at 3Dice' I will masticate and ingest my allslots ballcap on youtube for all to see.

Anybody allergic to crow? Cuz ol' lojo thinks somebody gonna be eating sumpn

Ya'll have at it, don't mind me, just had to say my piece.

 

[RobWin]

Sorry lads but i have to agree with Lojo, a lot of ban wagon jumping going on here, you guys didnt complain when the winning streaks were happening, AND you all know there high variance slots, that pretty much says it all..

That's because to me it seemed to play as normal as any Microgaming joint that I have ever played at and I purdy much have always based that on my own player experience considered MG's casinos to basically run a fair game whether it be video poker or slots.

In all my years of play ever since MG casinos first came on the scene I've had ups and downs with all of their casinos but never like I've had over at 3Dice the past eight days...

 

[peteyweestro]

i can see where some are coming from because the truth is unless you hit a bonus round with some retriggers you will go belly up and with a quickness because of how high variance the games are, i mean when you can get 3 or 4 matching symbols on a couple of paylines and it still don't win you your bet back that is very bad and that has been my complaint with 3d since the beginning, but having said that i knew thats how it was and still wanted that try at the biggie so i can't complain right?i think lojo and others here are 100% right though when ssaying how everyone was parading around here like it was an orgasmfest because they were winning, but now that the high varience has kicked in and started to punch back we want to call foul.if the software could have groups of people all hitting good and regular all at the same time, like around before christmas then why couldn't that same software now have a group all losing together?i think they are 3dice the same as last month same as next month

 

[RobWin]

Time will tell, but if 'something ain't right at 3Dice' I will masticate and ingest my allslots ballcap on youtube for all to see.

Anybody allergic to crow? Cuz ol' lojo thinks somebody gonna be eating sumpn

Ya'll have at it, don't mind me, just had to say my piece.

Sure they'll eventually re-tweak the RNG's I'm sure and let players start winning again for a time and then it'll be time for another re-tweak...

On another note did Casinomeister ever get Enzo to agree to an independent third party testing of their software...

 

[RobWin]

i can see where some are coming from because the truth is unless you hit a bonus round with some retriggers you will go belly up and with a quickness because of how high variance the games are, i mean when you can get 3 or 4 matching symbols on a couple of paylines and it still don't win you your bet back that is very bad and that has been my complaint with 3d since the beginning, but having said that i knew thats how it was and still wanted that try at the biggie so i can't complain right?i think lojo and others here are 100% right though when ssaying how everyone was parading around here like it was an orgasmfest because they were winning, but now that the high varience has kicked in and started to punch back we want to call foul.if the software could have groups of people all hitting good and regular all at the same time, like around before christmas then why couldn't that same software now have a group all losing together?i think they are 3dice the same as last month same as next month

Simple..because variables and TRUE RNG's DON"T work that way...

 

[hippo925]

Isn't it strange that Enzo lived on this forum for a few weeks now he's nowhere to be found?

i'm pretty sure he's just very busy. i got a pm from him earlier because he was concerned about my game logs and such a noticeable bad streak... but he looked up my stats and didn't know where i was getting my numbers. in fact, he was a little "coarse" with me and my data, understandably so because..... he was looking at the wrong stats (that's how i got my stats for king tut, lol.) Enzo didn't realize my stats were for supersuits and that i rarely play tut anymore I'm sure he will verify my stats, but i emphasized to him that we all know it's a small sample and not really significant in the grand scheme of things.

and darn it!!!! i had to delete part of this post because i just saw that lojo posted some of my thoughts.

i find it extremely unlikely that 3dice would do anything for "a few extra bucks." i truly believe the issue at hand is the high variance nature of their slots and nothing else. i think it's great to share our experiences of both sides of the "high variance" curve, but that we also need to keep things in perspective.

this thread can be a really productive one if we keep it focused and objective because Enzo does read all of this stuff. I can't think of any instances where 3dice didn't address player's concerns and i can't think of any other casino or manager that consistently shows up under this kind of fire.

I'm betting this issue is something they are already working on because there have been so many threads and posts about it. (wanna bet that their new games will be lower variance? ) would also be cool if they could adjust the reels and variance on their present slots! (or would that be bad? lol)

Robwin: "I've been on this forum board for four years now...I've earned the right to bitch..." ABSOLUTELY you have!!! :notworthy

 

[RobWin]

Look, I'm not here trying to convince anybody of a damn thing...I'm just telling you what I think and my personal experience which is purdy vast if I have to say so again since I've been playing online since 1995 and at land based casinos since 1980...

 

[PNWGirl38]

I've read this thread and feel the need to address a few random thoughts here.

First, I don't see where anyone is saying 3Dice is a "crook" or anything remotely close to it. What I gathered from my reading here, is that the players are noticing a pattern. One of which, is winning one month and not getting a thing to play ya the next month. I being one of the players noticing the pattern.

I don't think we need to read anything into Enzo not responding to 3Dice threads, like he use to. I'm sure he reads them and takes them for what it's worth!

RobWin: Please don't apologize for stating how you feel. I for one, enjoy your post and realized you're a seasoned player with valuable information.

I would like to suggest to 3Dice. For the support team to really make an effort in responding to players emails. I've personally noticed that when trying to contact them via email that 9 times out of ten, I will not get a response.

 

[lojo]

Simple..because variables and TRUE RNG's DON"T work that way...

But they do. When you are in a B&M you will walk by a bank of machines just clanging away with wins, 6 out seven people will be hitting it and the next bank? Nada.

You posted yourself that you were mugged and raped across the board by casinos recently... was that all at 3Dice? You're a rational man, Rob.. I'm not getting it. Anecdotes don't get it for me either. But there's no sense in us debating what neither of us can know empirically right now.

This thread was predictable. So is the one that will come up after 3Dice is independently audited, that one will say the same things kimss and agreeable posters said in his threads.

I don't really have more to add unless its a youtube video, but I'll sleep pretty well tonight not worrying about that

 

[RobWin]

But they do. When you are in a B&M you will walk by a bank of machines just clanging away with wins, 6 out seven people will be hitting it and the next bank? Nada.

You posted yourself that you were mugged and raped across the board by casinos recently... was that all at 3Dice? You're a rational man, Rob.. I'm not getting it. Anecdotes don't get it for me either. But there's no sense in us debating what neither of us can know empirically right now.

Lojo, just exactly where is this B & M casino that you're talking about...I'd like to go there and find one of those hot banks......I've been frequenting B & M's for 27 years now at least twice a month an I've yet to see that scenario but I'm not saying that that is not your experience Lo, it's just not been mine.

No, that was not only at 3Dice, it was half 3Dice and half ClubWorld, but the difference was that I could actually win at ClubWorld and build the money up and at least have decent play time but then I chose to lose it back...

 

[RobWin]

i can see where some are coming from because the truth is unless you hit a bonus round with some retriggers you will go belly up and with a quickness because of how high variance the games are, i mean when you can get 3 or 4 matching symbols on a couple of paylines and it still don't win you your bet back that is very bad and that has been my complaint with 3d since the beginning, but having said that i knew thats how it was and still wanted that try at the biggie so i can't complain right?i think lojo and others here are 100% right though when ssaying how everyone was parading around here like it was an orgasmfest because they were winning, but now that the high varience has kicked in and started to punch back we want to call foul.if the software could have groups of people all hitting good and regular all at the same time, like around before christmas then why couldn't that same software now have a group all losing together?i think they are 3dice the same as last month same as next month

Simple..because variables and TRUE RNG's DON"T work that way...

Petey, sorry for the short answer earlier but here is the reason that I base my claim that something over at 3Dice just ain't right...

I think you would agree that we all have been discussing losing and winning Patterns here right, well in true RNG's there is no such thing as losing and winning Patterns but only true randomness as I show in the two definitions I list below:

From Wikipedia,

Statistical Randomness

A numeric sequence is said to be statistically random when it contains no recognizable patterns or regularities

Random Number Generation

A random number generator (often abbreviated as RNG) is a computational or physical device designed to generate a sequence of numbers or symbols that lack any pattern, i.e. appear random.

 

[zap987]

People will find patterns in anything based on random numbers, I see the exact same discussions regarding what loot drops in World of Warcraft as here. With a large enough sample it will always be possible to find some kind of patterns, but a bunch of people losing at an online casino isn't exactly surprising?

I've made a bunch of small deposits at 3dice and 0 withdrawals but I have no doubt the games are fair, just need to hit the big one still

 

[RobWin]

People will find patterns in anything based on random numbers, I see the exact same discussions regarding what loot drops in World of Warcraft as here. With a large enough sample it will always be possible to find some kind of patterns, but a bunch of people losing at an online casino isn't exactly surprising?

I've made a bunch of small deposits at 3dice and 0 withdrawals but I have no doubt the games are fair, just need to hit the big one still

You may be right but all I'm saying is that if it is truly Random there should be no Patterns...because that simply defies the meaning of Randomness !!

 

[zap987]

You may be right but all I'm saying is that if it is truly Random there should be no Patterns...because that simply defies the meaning of Randomness !!

Yes, but what is a pattern? There has to be some definition? Someone could claim the same number coming twice in roulette is a pattern, but if it couldn't happen the RNG would be pretty bad.

 

[RobWin]

Yes, but what is a pattern? There has to be some definition? Someone could claim the same number coming twice in roulette is a pattern, but if it couldn't happen the RNG would be pretty bad.

Pattern = is a theme of reoccurring events and sometimes referred to as elements of a set. These elements repeat in a predictable manner

 

[pacers31]

I too have had little luck with 3Dice, especially the slots. I agree with earlier statements that it is difficult to get ahead more than a couple of hundred dollars at any point. Real or imagined, negative perception of your games means negative results in 3Dice bottom line. I personally don't play there much anymore because of this so called "high variance" (which seems to be code for "these games suck") and only play video poker when I do. Not much better, but at least I can last a little longer. Another thing that kind of disturbs me, is that every time I have a little "whine" with them, they really just seem to throw $50 bonuses at you so fast that you feel placated. At least for a few minutes until it is all gone. Winning and losing are part of the game, perception is everything in this business. We are all in the ship that is close to the edge of the world and we take our chances, but at least let me enjoy the cruise before plummeting off this flat world!

 

[Matthew23]

Every single person that plays at 3Dice is gonna experience dry spells.
Every month or so there will be a thread about someones bad luck at 3Dice and any member who is also being just as unlucky at that time will post their reply saying "me too!!! I'm also losing, what's going on? something isn't right!!!"

I think it's important for people to understand that this is all perfectly normal activity. Their slots are just very very high variance. Unfortunately our brains are not good with understanding randomness and will look for a pattern in the game play. This is why people who keep winning start to feel they can't lose and people who keep losing feel it is rigged.

RobWin, your bad luck could be the equivalent of someones good luck that made them hit a 2500 x bet win. They felt it was too good to be true, you feel it is too bad to be true. I don't think there is anything more to it than that

 

[RobWin]

Every single person that plays at 3Dice is gonna experience dry spells.
Every month or so there will be a thread about someones bad luck at 3Dice and any member who is also being just as unlucky at that time will post their reply saying "me too!!! I'm also losing, what's going on? something isn't right!!!"

I think it's important for people to understand that this is all perfectly normal activity. Their slots are just very very high variance. Unfortunately our brains are not good with understand randomness and will look for a pattern in the game play. This is why people who keep winning start to feel they can't lose and people who keep losing feel it is rigged.

RobWin, your bad luck could be the equivalent of someones good luck that made them hit a 2500 x bet win. They felt it was too good to be true, you feel it is too bad to be true. I don't think there is anything more to it than that

I wish it were that simple, if the same amount of people were winning on any given day that an equal amount of people were losing, no matter the amounts either way then yes you are correct...but I don't see it like that...

Like you said in the first paragraph:

Every single person that plays at 3Dice is gonna experience dry spells. Every month or so there will be a thread about someones bad luck at 3Dice

Why is it always about 3Dice that this scenario is discussed each month like you say and not mentioned about any of the Microgaming's casinos with any regularity ? Coincidence ?

 

[Matthew23]

Because no other casino is such high variance, only 3Dice ......... not that I know of anyway

Also remember it wont be half of people winning and half losing, it will be maybe 90% losing and 10% winning, but the 10% are winning big

 

[tim5ny]

Although frustrating at times, I've come to expect these dry spells as just part of the game in which I am the "Underdog". Let's not forget that the odds of us coming out ahead on slots at ANY casino are pretty nill. The thing I like about 3Dice's high variance slots is the excitement of knowing that you're not really out of the game until your credits reads "0". Many, many times I've lost my roll down to less than $5.00 only to hit a spectacular bonus round right at the wire which put me back up beyond my original deposit.

I can live with these swings as long as I can get on the right side of the high variance once in a while.... which seems to happen pretty routinely. I will get a bit peeved when deposit after deposit ends up without any play time for days on end, but I don't ever attribute it to anything being done that is "shady" on the other end of my connection.

For those who hope that they start making slots with a medium or low variance, all I can say is that I hope they don't cave in to those wishes. I think 3Dice likes to do things their own way... and on the good side that means in a BIG way. I'll take my chances on high variance anyday over the mundane repetiveness of games like Ho Ho Ho and the likes of that at MG.

Keep an eye on the Winner's Screenie thread! I'll be bock!

 

[RobWin]

I've had time to cool off now and I'd like to first off apologize to 3Dice for the rage and flaming here that I have done and also to any of my fellow forum members that I may have offended. I am sometimes very opinionated when I get something in my head, it takes me a little while to rationalize it and recollect my thoughts, but that's what makes us all who we are I guess.

As far as the games over at 3Dice being fair, I definitely think that they are fair and are just very, very high variance that I guess just caught me off guard. It was never about the money though, I took it personal when I know that I should not have...

I have said my peace and as far as I am concerned this thread could be closed and I hope that it is...Thanks

 

[tim5ny]

Ahh! Shit happens Rob!

 

[tim5ny]

Well now,... thanks robwin for pointing me in this direction!

I have not had a cashout at 3dice since christmas! and each time I did have a cashout .. it was only for a couple or few hundred bucks.!

I thought for the longest time it was MY computer causing problems. and like I say in another thread, I feel like I am playing real money at a casino that I am not connected to! (for me constant disconnects and reconnects!)
It got so frustrating that I stopped depositting all together and played tourneys only..(won my first one!)
BUT,,, since my last win in december.. i have put that back.. i only deposit 10 or 20 and have NOT depositted there for a bit, EXCEPT tonight! (of course BEFORE I read this thread! ) I put in another 10 and nada!!! all low rolling NOT one bet above 30 cents! Happy Valley!!
Also, at the end of last month my GG high roller bonus AND GG point converstion!! ALL GONE! not one cashout! (I remember on one trying to reach 300.00 weeks and weeks ago,,,, but couldn't get past 220.)

When I inquired about the disconnects and reconnects, I was told nothing was showing on thier end.. (I also deal with really, really slow spinning reels!!)
I was asked in chat by support if I had "gotten thier email" so I went to read it. Wow..! The email from support basically said that I "might want to take a break from real play as all gamblers go through a dry period! ) I wish I kept that,,, I was so P.O.'d I deleted it!!
So I went and played in a tourney right after I read the email,... and another player came on to play and "Support" said in live chat "____ did you get my email I sent you?" (that was how I was greeted prior to reading my "3dice gambling break email!)..

I think anyone here who knows me, knows that I am about as low a roller as they get! IF after the food shopping and bills I have $10 or $20 to "spare" I trusted in 3dice to be the one to help me make that into two or three hundred. JUST like in the beginning!!

Thier consolation to me about this problem everyone was having was to pretty much call me a problem gambler!. (I love to play, I don't deny it!) I guess ten or twenty here or there is a problem? my ex played doggies at 300 a night 3 times a week .. THAT was a problem!
(gosh I see you guys depositting thousands, I though to myself "they only want big depositters there now).

So, no reply from Enzo or Support here as of yet...

But then again.. the friendly customer support I bragged about a month and two ago... seem to be a bit too busy to answer a PM or an email now.. at least from this "little person"

Sorry about any repeated sentences. (It's taking me a bit to get back on my feet this time )

Why do I have a feeling in the pit of my stomache that I have been Suckered?

I think a casino that was "suckering" you as you say, would let you keep playing until until there was no money for food and bills.. without a care about how you were going to make it through the week. Obviously there's more to the story I would assume. They wouldn't take such measures just because you're a low-roller.

And as far as disconnects and slow spinning reels, that problem is definitely on your side and not theirs.

 

[sellshort]

well i know u said ur peace but i will say 3dice is defintly streaky to no end.I first deposited there right before xmas 50 dollars and ran it up to 8k..i cashed some out ,since then playin mostly microlimits i have lost 5k back and most of the time playin 25/50 ct i can go through 150 bucks in 1hr or so.I dont think the software is rigged by any means but its defintly the highest variance ive ever encountered!

the only thing that troubles me is that alot of other people had great luck like me when they first played and then went south...can anyone tell me they had bad luck at first then went on a winning streak?that would actually make me feel much better!

 

[lancia]

Winning at 3Dice (or at any other casino) is easier if you set your profit goals a bit lower. For example, whatever you deposit, quit when and if you are ahead by 50%. And instead of playing slots all the time, play multi-hand jacks or better video poker occasionally (99.54% return), especially at 50 hands—you will get a game with a very low variance and long playing time. And you will see royal flushes regularly at the 50-hand game!

I have deposited 5 times at 3Dice over the last week and have cashed in 3 of those times. I did not win big amounts, but amounts big enough to keep me going, there and elsewhere. I even won yesterday on a $50 high roller bonus from Gone Gambling. The 30 times wagering was met by playing 3-card Poker, Tut slot, Happy Valley slot, and multi-hand video poker. I worked the bonus up to $200 with Happy Valley slot and eventually settled for a $120 withdrawal. Again, that’s not much but it is enough for another deposit down the line. And it sure beats losing.

 

[mishun]

i don't even know what to say, you guys are blowing me away. Many of you are actually sitting there saying that 3Dice is crooked!

Why in the world would an up and coming excellent casino with built in profit risk anything and everything to make a 'few ' extra bucks? It's more than likely just variance and the luck of the draw. There are 'clumps' of wins and losses, we know that. There are long losing streaks and occasional megahits. Why would you think that those 'clumps' couldn't also occur to a small sample of players?

If you can't stand the variance it's probably better not to play there. But I think it's pretty irresponsible and below what I expect of many members of this community to be claiming fraud simply because the wheels aren't rolling your way right now.

I'm pretty much shocked and at a loss for words, so I'll leave it at that.

No one is saying that 3dice is crooked. We are just expressing our experience there of lately. It's no different then telling someone that this Indian Casino doesn't do this. But the MGM Grand does that. I would rather spend my money at Harrah's New Orleans than at Harrah's Cherokee. And let's not forget 3dice has not been audit.

 

[mishun]

I've had time to cool off now and I'd like to first off apologize to 3Dice for the rage and flaming here that I have done and also to any of my fellow forum members that I may have offended. I am sometimes very opinionated when I get something in my head, it takes me a little while to rationalize it and recollect my thoughts, but that's what makes us all who we are I guess.

As far as the games over at 3Dice being fair, I definitely think that they are fair and are just very, very high variance that I guess just caught me off guard. It was never about the money though, I took it personal when I know that I should not have...

I have said my peace and as far as I am concerned this thread could be closed and I hope that it is...Thanks

Well cool off all you want to. I wouldn't apologize for anything. You did nothing wrong. Look 3Dice is no different from your town you live in. When its time to bring in money. Your town will order police to write more tickets or raise taxes. This is a software and machine we are dealing with. People are losing their jobs to a machine and software. Look how the stock market can rebound from the dead because of software. Surely if they can manipulate the stock market. Its nothing to rigged an online casino. Face it the casino knows we are addicts. That's why they tell you "Oh you're just unlucky. Or you're just
having a bad day." That complete bullshit and they know it. They also know "YOU'LL BE BACK!"

 

[Simmo!]

I haven't read the entire thread, but you should keep in mind that Tut is a clone of Isis, arguably the highest-variance slot online.

This is the truest thing in this thread. I have played 3Dice slots this month a lot and would quite happily state that Tut is possibly the highest variance slot I've ever played! Super Suits and Medieval Moolah are also high variance.

Bear in mind a high variance slot might give you 100 (or more!) losing sessions followed by one huge hit!

So, no reply from Enzo or Support here as of yet...

Isn't it strange that Enzo lived on this forum for a few weeks now he's nowhere to be found?

Enzo was travelling last week - I met him in London doing meetings. It really, really annoys me when you get an active rep on the boards and then people expect him to be there every time their casino is mentioned. A lot of reps tell me they no longer post on forums because it attracts more aggro than not posting at all. If that's what you want, fine. But it's not what most people want so please bear that in mind.

Sure they'll eventually re-tweak the RNG's I'm sure and let players start winning again for a time and then it'll be time for another re-tweak...

On another note did Casinomeister ever get Enzo to agree to an independent third party testing of their software...

While 3Dice built a very good rep here for service and games, you should always bear in mind that any new proprietary software should only really be trusted once it has been independently certified by someone, er, trustworthy. We choose to play there, fine...that's our decision. And while dragging up all the usual old conspiracy theories are no doubt fun to some, you play any software that you don't have reason to trust at your own risk.

 

[mysticjoz]

I think a casino that was "suckering" you as you say, would let you keep playing until until there was no money for food and bills.. without a care about how you were going to make it through the week. Obviously there's more to the story I would assume. They wouldn't take such measures just because you're a low-roller.

And as far as disconnects and slow spinning reels, that problem is definitely on your side and not theirs.

I appologize if I "mis stated" my "suckered" comment. As I was writing, I did get a feeling in the pit of my stomache. and it was very, very late.

What more to the story? I contacted support about the slow spinning reels and repeated disconnects and reconnects. I have gone from my computer to my kids computer (which is better) and ended up experiencing the same thing! (disconnects).
I make sure I have absolutely nothing else running except 3dice and still have the same issue.
But, Why can't I get a reasonable response from technical support or customer support? I get emails saying "it will be handled by a human shortly" but it isn't.

I don't believe I accused them of being crooks, or frauds or anything else. I stated my opinion and my experience.
I have said it before and I will say it again. I feel as though I am losing to a casino I am not connected to!
I posted what is going on because I have referred many, many people to 3dice, these are friends and I do not want them to feel as though I sent them to a slaughter house. (BTW: I have never seen a dime for a referral!)
high variance, low variance... it would be nice to win once in a blue moon.

 

[hippo925]

just out of curiousity, how do you delineate between a slot that is "high variance" and one that just has a lower payback %? i know we have been talking about variance, but isn't the payback % important as well?

 

[lojo]

just out of curiousity, how do you delineate between a slot that is "high variance" and one that just has a lower payback %? i know we have been talking about variance, but isn't the payback % important as well?

Layman's terms here... If a slot has a 'swing range' of 64% to 133% that will eventually (infinity) settle out to 97%, then a low variance slot will achieve the 97% (+/- a partial percentage point) in a far shorter amount of time (number of spins) than a high variance slot.

 

[lancia]

A high-variance slot has many payoffs (including zero payoffs) that are very much lower than the average payback and a few payoffs that are very much higher than the average payback. A low-variance slot has most payoffs that are not as far below and above the average payback. A low payback slot has simply a low percentage of return to the player per bet, no matter what the variance. So, I would guess that the only ways to tell a high variance slot from a low payback slot is (practically) to sample the returns over a very large sample size or (theoretically) to know the actual reel details of the slot in question.

 

[microgamingmug]

Exactly!! Many people winning at once then nobody winning...hmmmmm


I usually play Tut and Suits..maybe the other games are hot...I don't know. I never play Squirrel Pike
but I notice that when both Tut and Suits are crappy then Squirrel Pike or Moolah is good for an occasional
decent win.

3Dice have been raping $1000 per day off me for most of January. I don't play Tut much but Supersuits and Medieval Moolah are taking 300-500 to give a feature and then paying out less than that.

I've been back to MG now which I thought I'd never do and been doing well there.

Yes I know about high variance blah blah but they have been bad for most of January. If I deposit $1000 now I lose it within half an hour 90% of the time now.

Previously 3Dice could be harsh but the decent bonus rounds would help, now without these also it's a struggle.

As other people have pointed out there's hardly any 3Dice big wins posted up in the winner screenshots threads now, the ones that are all low rollers paying out a few hundred dollars at best

 

[hippo925]

3Dice have been raping $1000 per day off me for most of January. I don't play Tut much but Supersuits and Medieval Moolah are taking 300-500 to give a feature and then paying out less than that.

I've been back to MG now which I thought I'd never do and been doing well there.

Yes I know about high variance blah blah but they have been bad for most of January. If I deposit $1000 now I lose it within half an hour 90% of the time now.

Previously 3Dice could be harsh but the decent bonus rounds would help, now without these also it's a struggle.

As other people have pointed out there's hardly any 3Dice big wins posted up in the winner screenshots threads now, the ones that are all low rollers paying out a few hundred dollars at best

yikes!!!! hope your luck changes i was wondering what the play was like for higher rollers. thanks for sharing 5times!

 

[lojo]

The play at 3Dice is going to be exactly the same for .25 spinner as a $9 spinner. If it takes 30 minutes to blow through a grand at $9 it will take a half hour to blow through $100 at .90 or $10 at .9

To each his own, but were I to deposit $1000 I wouldn't be max betting, I'd roll low and stop or cash out when I got ahead, and it wouldn't have to be 50%... 20% profit for entertainment is plenty for me.

 

[steinhaug]

hippo925, this sounds just like the luck or should I say lack of luck that I have had on the Super Suits game there over the last eight or so days....strange coincidence...maybe...or maybe not, seems weird to me how they stop hitting for everybody all at once if they are truly ramdom. Like katodog said, where did all the screenshots go ?

I might also confirm that after the 26th SS was the game that killed me most of the times. When starting wagering 6 it seems you really need 800 spins to get a feature, which pays 200 or so.

I did have that crazy run, with 50+ features in a row (random?) so both can win the argument.

For this post, I do not make up my opinion - I just state em.

1. Christmas eve - crazy ass featues on SS
2. After this, nope!

 

[pacers31]

high variance, low variance, call it what you want. If I never win at a site, I stop playing that site. I am disturbed about the meager and miniscule cashouts that I see posted here. I think it is great that they pay and in a quick way, but $100-200 isn't my idea of a "BIG WIN". So, if the good people at 3Dice want me back do something. Either show us that we have some chance to win something worthwhile, or keep on giving the $50 freebies to us so that eventually you might get some good pub here in the forum. Until I see some real winners coming out of 3Dice, I probably will not play there. Too bad as I have no problem with their service. And try to remember, that "Best New Casino 2007" tag will fade fast without us players having that good overall perception of your site. I will keep my eyes open on the forum for positive news, let's hope we see some soon. Please 3Dice, don't turn out to be a "one trick pony" on us, we all want you to be THE place to play!!!!

 

[LOOKAWAY]

Hi so how much moolah to you have to depsoit and play to get a $50 freebee.

I have depsoited a fair bit in the past.

I know that most wouldnt probaly get one anyway.

Thanks for any replys.

 

[pacers31]

Actually Lookaway, you might be surprised. I have played quite a bit there and maybe that's why they toss the freebies at me sometimes. All in all though, in my opinion, this is the most difficult site to win at currently. Then again, they are very nice and responsive, just can't win anything of consequence there. Maybe it's just me.

 

[lovetogamble]

Agree

this is the most difficult site to win at currently

I totally agree! I can't win there even on small bets.

 

[bb28]

Seems to me that that some people......not all in this thread have taken it in the direction of......let me see how much or how loud I can moan and groan about losing.....then maybe 3Dice will throw me a freebie to shut me up.

 

[mysticjoz]

Hi so how much moolah to you have to depsoit and play to get a $50 freebee.

I have depsoited a fair bit in the past.

I know that most wouldnt probaly get one anyway.

Thanks for any replys.

I really don't know the answer to this one. After all.. for the past month I have depositted via prepaid and with EVERY deposit I DID claim my comps with it just to get the extra boost!
Now, if it was a $10.00 deposit, I got $2.00 extra. for $20.00 it was $4.00 extra. I also claimed my gg high roller bonus, AND my gg point conversion.
BUT, all of these show up as a "bonus" at thier cashier!!
SO, I went to live support today and asked for a cash bonus and was told
"I will have to have Enzo go over your transactions as you have already received too many bonuses"... "I told her NO,, ,this is the first cash bonus I have asked for in weeks maybe even the whole month! (due to the "3dice email" stating maybe I should take a break from real play) .. still "Enzo or Anna will have to go over the bonuses you received"...
I was Baffled as I have not asked for any cash bonuses in weeks or a month, and I have been playing thier tourneys in between!
SO,,,
I went to the cashier history and sure enough it shows any comps redeemed with a deposit as "bonus".. any gg conversion or high roller claim "bonus"...
But, when and IF I did get a bonus from them (excluding the holiday bonuses).. I only got $10!! (never $50)

This leaves me with the same question LOOKAWAY... "how does one get a $50 freebie?"

3Dice should be treating all players equally! If you send 1 player a thousand dollar bottle of champagne.. send us all one! Because Another thing I think was a bit tough on all of us was to hear of the extreme measures that 3dice went to during the holidays to please the high rollers (sending champagne, chocolates, etc. )... I did not even get a christmas card!!
So I will admit, it did tick me off a bit... I would have loved a bottle of champagne! It would have been one heck of a way to make me feel "special" also! I do like thier support team, and I did also love chatting with Enzo who was so friendly and understanding! But as of lately I feel like a pain in thier A*$. Especially after today and the comment about "too many bonuses.. when I haven't gotten any, I only claimed my "comps" and "gg stuff"

I am not calling them cheats, or rigged (as someone implied earlier).. I was looking for whatever my computer might be missing to run their games at the proper speed without disconnects! And then I saw that it is NOT only me who is dealing with loss after loss, (only since christmas). I do feel like they tightened up quite a bit. (but I don't think this is rigged, is it?)
We all trusted them so I will live with my decision to trust them, but I will Not live with being accused of getting bonuses that I did not get! or having comps that I earned show up as a bonus!!
I truly hope there is an appology there somewhere when they see the actual facts! to me.. basically telling me I "got too many bonuses this month" was calling me "a bonus abuser" and that made me feel like sh@# !! I thought the whole reason for 3dice having the comps redeem the way they do was to avoid any of the BONUS B/S!

But There must be a solution to the disconnections and slow speeds!.

 

[mysticjoz]

Seems to me that that some people......not all in this thread have taken it in the direction of......let me see how much or how loud I can moan and groan about losing.....then maybe 3Dice will throw me a freebie to shut me up.

I hope you don't think that is what I am doing. Like I said, I was first and foremost looking for what ever program my computer might be missing that is causing this one casino to run so slow, freeze, disconnect and reconnect!

When you deposit at any online casino and see that you are constantly being disconnected (and i have dozen's of screenies showing in real and tourney play) It is extremely frustrating!! More so when playing with real money!
thus the reason for the comment that I feel like I am just losing money to a casino I am not actually connected to! (if this makes sense.)

 

[pacers31]

I'm just saying BB, they tend to treat me very well with the comps, I just can't ever win anything there. No complaints about Enzo, the staff, or anything like that. I just don't win there, so I have cut back my play there, that's all. And yes, I will take any kind of freebie that I can get. The least any casino site can do to keep their regulars happy!

 

[bb28]

Hey I like freebies too but it's usually better to ask for one privately........don't you think?
Some of these posts were downright mean and nasty and some of them seemed like nothing more than a ploy to get a freebie. Most people that have (been around here long enough to know better) and who have a serious complaint with a reputable casino take it private first. If I were the manager or customer service person at the casino and I had been reading this very public thread......I'd be making some notes. Wouldn't you.....if you were in their shoes?

 

[kakata]

Mistic, my friend, for once I have to disagree with you.
I dont play at 3 dice cause they dont want me there anymore.
Still what you said its not the way "this business" works.
Actually "no business " does.
You cant wait for a bottle of..........if your deposits are 10 or 20, like most of us.
You have to undearsteand, that a gift in this busines is proportionated to the 'spending'.
You and me can't expect to get same kind of gift that someone, like Nash, (an example)might get.
Business is business................
I do bitch a lot, yes I do............I undearsteand business though.
Little confusing .........I hope you guys undearsteand what I mean.

 

[bb28]

I hope you don't think that is what I am doing. Like I said, I was first and foremost looking for what ever program my computer might be missing that is causing this one casino to run so slow, freeze, disconnect and reconnect!

When you deposit at any online casino and see that you are constantly being disconnected (and i have dozen's of screenies showing in real and tourney play) It is extremely frustrating!! More so when playing with real money!
thus the reason for the comment that I feel like I am just losing money to a casino I am not actually connected to! (if this makes sense.)

If you want someone to help with the technical aspect of running 3Dice software, I'll give it a shot and I'm sure someone else will give their advice also, but before anyone can help this info is needed. What are the specs on your computer......processor, ram, free space of your hard drive, graphics card, what other programs are running at the same time? Do you have issues with other software, if so what software? What kind of connection do you have to the internet, dial up or cable or dsl broadband? Is your connection shared with another computer?

 

[pacers31]

Sorry you feel that way bb. Maybe you are a more casual player and therefore not recieving the same consideration. No need for your moral admonishment either as I too have played for a long time. This forum is for exchange of player experiences and that is simply what I have done. Sorry that you feel so defensive of 3Dice, as I have stated, the only complaint I have with them is that I never win anything there and the quick response I get from them usually involves a manager bonus. Sorry if this hasn't been your experience.