What happened to 3Dice

[baabaa006]

I noticed that 3Dice is no longer on the Accredited Casino's list page. Have I missed something that this Casino is no longer accredited.

 

[The Dude]

We had an agreement that 3Dice was to have a third party audit done on its software/RNG when they came on board. But since this hasn't been done yet, they've been removed until a third party audit is in place.

 

[same_old]

We had an agreement that 3Dice was to have a third party audit done on its software/RNG when they came on board. But since this hasn't been done yet, they've been removed until a third party audit is in place.

Now that is something I would love to see.

Do you think we will see something like this from them soon enough?

how long have they been off the accredited list?

what prompted you to ask for a third party audit and is this what you ask of all the software providers you take on board?

not sure if you can elaborate a little further but have you had a few PABS in relation to this that prompted you to ask for the third party audit?

im sure you see a trend when you get PABS for the same thing which then pricks the ears up so to speaKs, and is this what has happend in this case.

Would you be able to elaborate a little further as to why this was requested of them, if not I understand.

 

[The Dude]

Recently, I relaunched the Accredited Section with the standards for Accredited casinos being a bit more detailed. One of them is the following:

RNG and/or software must be audited by a third party.

I gave all of the operators a heads up on all the new standards at the end of May - most of whom came back to me stating no problem. I also realized at this time (going through all my old emails) that when I brought 3Dice on in Jan 2008 it was on the condition that they would have 3rd party auditing in place soon. One and a half years is not "soon" for me.

No PABs, no submitted complaints, nothing that perked my ears up. I've just made the standards more concise - that's all; I need to ensure that the casinos listed here meet these.

 

[same_old]

Recently, I relaunched the Accredited Section with the standards for Accredited casinos being a bit more detailed. One of them is the following:



I gave all of the operators a heads up on all the new standards at the end of May - most of whom came back to me stating no problem. I also realized at this time (going through all my old emails) that when I brought 3Dice on in Jan 2008 it was on the condition that they would have 3rd party auditing in place soon. One and a half years is not "soon" for me.

No PABs, no submitted complaints, nothing that perked my ears up. I've just made the standards more concise - that's all; I need to ensure that the casinos listed here meet these.

here here!

Enzo I will pay for the Thrid party audit if you like, pm me-let's talk about it.

 

[silcnlayc]

Originally Posted by Casinomeister
We had an agreement that 3Dice was to have a third party audit done on its software/RNG when they came on board. But since this hasn't been done yet, they've been removed until a third party audit is in place.

I think that was a very good move after being the recipient of 2 glitches in their games.

I requested my account closed today for many reasons and one of them was that I started to feel the games had too many issues and since the casino hasn't allowed an audit, that in itself has waved red flags for me. Too many bad sessions with two too many glitches in my book. When it feels wrong, it is wrong...the gut is always right!

Maybe we will see new updates soon (fixing the games to reflect new payouts)for preparation of this audit if they choose to take the CM up on his offer of reinstatement after that.

.

 

[baabaa006]

Actually, I really like playing at 3 Dice (I only play the slots), and have had some very good pays and withdrawals. And the withdrawals are always done within a couple of hours.
Enzo, if your reading this it would be good for 3Dice to respond,as I love 3Dice and I'm sure there is a large number of other Casionmeister members that do too. However if it was not for Casinomeister I would never have found out about 3Dice. So by not being accredited you will be missing out on many new clients, I am sure.

 

[catrina m]

Have 3Dice talked about which 3rd party they need to seek to get this done or are they letting it ride?

They are indeed unique and as such which 3rd party might evaluate them?

Will it be an accounting firm?

I am sorry if I sound ignorant of this subject but in fact I am.

I am also most interested in the outcome.

 

[jas2587]

Enzo nor 3Dice will get a Third Party Audit
Bryan asked him well over 1 1/2 yrs ago to get it
many players have requested it he has always skirted the issue
cause he doesnt want to have 1 done
wow that might show just how his games really are so he is scared IMO
he wont even send players their own play logs

Cindy

 

[chuchu59]

Enzo nor 3Dice will get a Third Party Audit
Bryan asked him well over 1 1/2 yrs ago to get it
many players have requested it he has always skirted the issue
cause he doesnt want to have 1 done
wow that might show just how his games really are so he is scared IMO
he wont even send players their own play logs

Cindy

Cindy,

I cant agree with you yet. Since this issue is now being widely discussed we should give Enzo the benfit of the doubt and hopefully the 3rd Party Audit will be conducted very very soon. I am sure many of us here want to know the results of the audit especially since Enzo has always been mentioning Variance and an audit will shed some light on this. I understand that at times some players have requested and actually gotten their % payouts since playing at 3 Dice but this was mingled with bonuses with some even tourney wins or no-deposit bonuses. I would hope that we get some stats about the RTP on the slots alone.

 

[jas2587]

Cindy,

I cant agree with you yet. Since this issue is now being widely discussed we should give Enzo the benfit of the doubt and hopefully the 3rd Party Audit will be conducted very very soon. I am sure many of us here want to know the results of the audit especially since Enzo has always been mentioning Variance and an audit will shed some light on this. I understand that at times some players have requested and actually gotten their % payouts since playing at 3 Dice but this was mingled with bonuses with some even tourney wins or no-deposit bonuses. I would hope that we get some stats about the RTP on the slots alone.

ok I will bite an wait but I still think Enzo has got all he can player wise from here an will not produce it or have it done
Enzos 1 of his favorite words was High Variance all the games was High Variance

so yes I agree we will wait an see

Cindy

 

[Jasminebed]

Just because the RNG works correctly, this has no bearing on the RTP or whether or not 3Dice will share their slot payback percentages with us.

I do hope they fulfill Bryan's requirement and get re-instated as an accredited casino.

 

[binshakindown]

3Dice was quick to give me my stats.

Actually it took less than 24 hours. I didn't see any problems with the way it was broken down. Maybe I am missing something? See below:

"Bonus:

Tourney Prize XXX $
Promo code - XXX $
Promo code -
Loyalty XXX $
Comp Points XXX $
----------------------------
TOTAL : XXXXX $



For reference - all you financial data-deposits, withdrawals , bonuses- can
also be found under your cashier /Banking/History.

I will attach here bellow your game stats, since you joined us on 2008/06/08
until Present:

Game Bets Average Bets Percentage
SquirrelPike 2596 2.55$ 91.22%
Tutankhamon 2501 2.26$ 93.12%
HappyValley 15436 2.92$ 88.25%
FortuneFalls 25228 4.46$ 105.86%
Industria 2537 3.14$ 118.47%
Solitaire_v2 4188 5.14$ 98.87%
Poker_new_
multihand -
Bonus 30 0.25$ 108.00%
SuperSuits 157 0.42$ 30.81%
Poker_new_
multihand -
Jackpot 412 1.14$ 99.74%
RedDog 5637 5.41$ 99.63%
caribbeanstudpoker 2747 16.88$ 97.28%
BlackJack_Classic 297 3.56$ 96.83%
War 94 1.52$ 93.01%
Jackpot 2545 0.75$ 82.75%
DoubleDice 2473 0.50$ 94.88%
MedievalMoolah 124 4.91$ 223.88%
Payola 4951 2.83$ 97.55%
Slotronomicon 94 6.14$ 34.30%
Poker_new
_multihand -
Triple Bonus 58 4.00$ 118.36%
MoolahLight 170 1.73$ 51.25%
Aztec 6446 4.12$ 107.62%
Sicbo 387 18.53$ 93.42%
TexasHoldemBonus 15 22.00$ 42.42%
OldGlory-ROR 945 1.04$ 91.10%
Poker_new -
All American 34 0.30$ 88.24%
ThreeCardPoker 85 0.27$ 95.26% "

 

[LaurieJim]

Actually it took less than 24 hours. I didn't see any problems with the way it was broken down. Maybe I am missing something? See below:

"Bonus:

Tourney Prize XXX $
Promo code - XXX $
Promo code -
Loyalty XXX $
Comp Points XXX $
----------------------------
TOTAL : XXXXX $



For reference - all you financial data-deposits, withdrawals , bonuses- can
also be found under your cashier /Banking/History.

I will attach here bellow your game stats, since you joined us on 2008/06/08
until Present:

Game Bets Average Bets Percentage
SquirrelPike 2596 2.55$ 91.22%
Tutankhamon 2501 2.26$ 93.12%
HappyValley 15436 2.92$ 88.25%
FortuneFalls 25228 4.46$ 105.86%
Industria 2537 3.14$ 118.47%
Solitaire_v2 4188 5.14$ 98.87%
Poker_new_
multihand -
Bonus 30 0.25$ 108.00%
SuperSuits 157 0.42$ 30.81%
Poker_new_
multihand -
Jackpot 412 1.14$ 99.74%
RedDog 5637 5.41$ 99.63%
caribbeanstudpoker 2747 16.88$ 97.28%
BlackJack_Classic 297 3.56$ 96.83%
War 94 1.52$ 93.01%
Jackpot 2545 0.75$ 82.75%
DoubleDice 2473 0.50$ 94.88%
MedievalMoolah 124 4.91$ 223.88%
Payola 4951 2.83$ 97.55%
Slotronomicon 94 6.14$ 34.30%
Poker_new
_multihand -
Triple Bonus 58 4.00$ 118.36%
MoolahLight 170 1.73$ 51.25%
Aztec 6446 4.12$ 107.62%
Sicbo 387 18.53$ 93.42%
TexasHoldemBonus 15 22.00$ 42.42%
OldGlory-ROR 945 1.04$ 91.10%
Poker_new -
All American 34 0.30$ 88.24%
ThreeCardPoker 85 0.27$ 95.26% "

I have gotten the same stats from them also over the past at different times, while i have always said i do have a love/ hate relationship with 3 Dice, i have to agree with the other poster, id like to see Enzo have this audit done, its only fair to those who have been loyal players in the past and those he may be missing out on in the future from here....... Or do we count anymore?..............laurie

 

[RobWin]

Don't you peeps think that it is purdy damn strange that Enzo has not even bothered to address this issue here with all of the members that have so loyally supported him and 3Dice since Bryan gave him accreditation here for as long as he did. I actually think its purdy damn RUDE myself for him to not only dis all of the loyal players here but Bryan as well by not making a public statement here in the forum regarding this issue!

If that doesn't make the 3Dice supporters wonder about the games fairness at 3Dice then I don't know what would. Enzo, if you have nothing to hide with your games and programming there then get the damn audit, hell Same_Old has even offered to pay for it for you!

 

[baabaa006]

Maybe Casinomeister is still in their plans, as this is still on their front page.

 

[RobWin]

Maybe Casinomeister is still in their plans, as this is still on their front page.

Anyone with half a lick of sense is going to show the Casinomeister awards or at the very least a connection to Casinomeister and try to garner and capitalize on the Casinomeister name and influence.

 

[just play]

here here!

Enzo I will pay for the Thrid party audit if you like, pm me-let's talk about it.

Why would you do this? I'm confused? I'm sure 3Dice has plenty of money.

Am I thinking of something else...I remember someone having an audit done there, but didn't like to discuss it? What happened with that audit?

 

[silcnlayc]

Don't you peeps think that it is purdy damn strange that Enzo has not even bothered to address this issue here with all of the members that have so loyally supported him and 3Dice since Bryan gave him accreditation here for as long as he did. I actually think its purdy damn RUDE myself for him to not only dis all of the loyal players here but Bryan as well by not making a public statement here in the forum regarding this issue!

I do think it is strange because he is very vocal when someone disagrees with his casino but now he is mum on the one thing everyone is thinking...why has there been any audit yet????

.

 

[jas2587]

Why would you do this? I'm confused? I'm sure 3Dice has plenty of money.

Am I thinking of something else...I remember someone having an audit done there, but didn't like to discuss it? What happened with that audit?

Cause 3Dice isnt gonna do it so he is offering an he knows Enzo wont take them up on it cause Enzo doesnt want this done not 1 bit

they must have something to hide otherwise it would have been done along time ago

Cindy

 

[CasinoKidd]

One thing that worries me on their site... The News section:

"Payola released
Do you like music? Then you will love this brand new slot.

Payola released
Do you like music? Then you will love this brand new slot.
Red Dog released
An exciting new card game of chance added to the collection of table games. Check it out now. "

These games were released many, many months ago.

Just one of the many reasons my account will remain closed there.

 

[The Dude]

Anyone with half a lick of sense is going to show the Casinomeister awards or at the very least a connection to Casinomeister and try to garner and capitalize on the Casinomeister name and influence.

Actually - the awards are still 100% applicable. In fact, the Best New Casino 2007 award was given to them when they weren't even on the site yet.

To be fair to Enzo, he may not even be aware of this thread, so it's not like he's cowering in some corner avoiding this issue. I'll let him know what's up.

 

[Eliot Jacobson]

Certified Fair Gambling audited 3-Dice blackjack in December 2007/January 2008. It was determined at that time to be a statistically fair game and the audit was discussed on this site.

A fairness audit is a contract between a software developer and a third party to verify game fairness using statistical tests and to verifty payouts. Some comments in this thread imply that the results of such an audit would be made public. The auditing company checks that the slots are producing the payout percentages indicated in their documentation. There is no assumption that the payouts or RTP reports for the games (especially the slots/keno/bingo) will be made public by the auditor or the casino, although that is often the case. In particular, slot payout percentages and variance are proprietary.

 

[jas2587]

Certified Fair Gambling audited 3-Dice blackjack in December 2007/January 2008. It was determined at that time to be a statistically fair game and the audit was discussed on this site.

A fairness audit is a contract between a software developer and a third party to verify game fairness using statistical tests and to verifty payouts. Some comments in this thread imply that the results of such an audit would be made public. The auditing company checks that the slots are producing the payout percentages indicated in their documentation. There is no assumption that the payouts or RTP reports for the games (especially the slots/keno/bingo) will be made public by the auditor or the casino, although that is often the case. In particular, slot payout percentages and variance are proprietary.

but the audit was done on Blackjack not slots as you say here

"""""audited 3-Dice blackjack in December 2007/January 2008"""""""



Cindy

 

[Eliot Jacobson]

I am not arguing that 3-Dice has had a full audit. CFG only audited blackjack and I am not aware of any further third-party audits of 3-Dice.

My point is that a full audit (which includes slots) may have no bearing on producing public information about game returns. It may be transparent; its only function here being to reaccredit 3-Dice.

 

[jas2587]

I am not arguing that 3-Dice has had a full audit. CFG only audited blackjack and I am not aware of any further third-party audits of 3-Dice.

My point is that a full audit (which includes slots) may have no bearing on producing public information about game returns. It may be transparent; its only function here being to reaccredit 3-Dice.

Thanks

Cindy

 

[Trollet]

Guess who...

Since i see all have said their 2 cents..so i thought i would do that too.

I do think they will get that third party audit.
Im not that sure what good it would do.. i guess theres 100 casinos out there that have it..and still are just doing their best to get your $$...and get away when you win.
And...as a loyal player there i cant say that anything changed for me just by the fact that they are off the list. As Bryan said..there have not been any PABs, or submitted complaints. When that comes ...thats when i will start to think about it.

I had my ups and downs there..just as i have in any other place i played. You still cant blame a casino for your bad luck..even if it's the closest thing to do...since you are mad about it.
But they are still the best when it comes to many things, just my opinion.
And when i win..i get paid...right away

(((HUGS))) Trollet

 

[catrina m]

I am not arguing that 3-Dice has had a full audit. CFG only audited blackjack and I am not aware of any further third-party audits of 3-Dice.

My point is that a full audit (which includes slots) may have no bearing on producing public information about game returns. It may be transparent; its only function here being to reaccredit 3-Dice.

You determined by your audit that the Blackjack is fair at 3Dice.

They should be re-accredited on the assumption that since the BJ has been audited that the other games have No Bearing and it may be transparent on the other games.

Can you please tell me what this means?

Dont get me wrong, I like 3Dice, I would just like to understand this.

Can you also explain how you conduct an audit?

Do you deposit xx amount of funds and play like anyone else, or do you examine playlogs of all players involved?

I do not happen to play blackjack so the slots return may have bearing on me and transparency is an oft used and meaningless word I have heard for several years.

Why will the full audit be transparent on the other games, because they will be the same?

Thank You for any reply.

 

[catrina m]

I like 3Dice, I would also like to understand what this means.

 

[LaurieJim]

Guess who...

Since i see all have said their 2 cents..so i thought i would do that too.

I do think they will get that third party audit.
Im not that sure what good it would do.. i guess theres 100 casinos out there that have it..and still are just doing their best to get your $$...and get away when you win.
And...as a loyal player there i cant say that anything changed for me just by the fact that they are off the list. As Bryan said..there have not been any PABs, or submitted complaints. When that comes ...thats when i will start to think about it.

I had my ups and downs there..just as i have in any other place i played. You still cant blame a casino for your bad luck..even if it's the closest thing to do...since you are mad about it.
But they are still the best when it comes to many things, just my opinion.
And when i win..i get paid...right away

(((HUGS))) Trollet

This is prolly true, i hope that the casino does do the audit, just to set minds at ease and you are so right, there are many casinos out there that will take your money and spit you back into the fire and not think a damn thing about you or your losses.

I have said again and again, i have a love hate relationship with 3 Dice and always will, its nothing personal as i do like the customer support and the games and the fact that you can deposit as little as 10.00 and will always get paid your winnings without question.

Im just not seeing that many great screen shots that we all were so used to seeing posted, a year ago, i will be cutting back on playing at 3 Dice for awhile and play in some tourneys ..............laurie

 

[baabaa006]

Wow. When I first posted this thread, I just thought that 3Dice had been neglected during the new Accredited page. Didn't know there was an actual reason.
I must admit I will continue to play at 3Dice for the time being as I have been very lucky in recent times and the support and payouts are first class.
I guess you always favour Casinos you have been winning at over those you don't, and at the moment I am winning at 3Dice (So hopefully any future audits won't change that fact )

 

[jetset]

As a general comment, I take the view that a genuine third party audit to ensure game fairness on a regular basis is of value.

It requires an additional level of commitment and (some) transparency on the part of the operator, too - often a positive indicator for players.

 

[RobWin]

I do think they will get that third party audit.
Im not that sure what good it would do.. Trollet

Well, for one it will get 3Dice re-listed on the accredited casino list if Enzo in fact wants to be back on it.

And since ALL of the other casinos that are on the accredited list have already had audits done it will re-assure players that 3Dice also wants to conform to the requirements of being on the list and further show players that they have absolutely nothing to hide with their games being opened up for inspection.

 

[catrina m]

As a general comment, I take the view that a genuine third party audit to ensure game fairness on a regular basis is of value.

It requires an additional level of commitment and (some) transparency on the part of the operator, too - often a positive indicator for players.

I agree.

An audit would be of significant value, as you said, "a genuine third party"

The transparency would be obvious if the "3rd party" gave a favorable review, as i am sure many here would like to see of 3Dice.

I also play there, I am obvious to losing at MG and RTG and welcome playing at 3Dice, but I am also obvious of losing ( as well as winning) there also.

As was stated before:

Whats the problem with a reply that works with the casinomeister community.

This is the place that informs not only the players, but the management of the players concerns.

This should be addressed by Enzo or a "3rd party" that has the ability to confirm that 3Dice has been audited fairly on all games.

 

[same_old]

Why would you do this? I'm confused? I'm sure 3Dice has plenty of money.

Am I thinking of something else...I remember someone having an audit done there, but didn't like to discuss it? What happened with that audit?

It was just meant to be a joke, ZEnzo hasnt addressed the issue as yet so I said I will pay for it to gwet it done.

The member your refering to that had the audit done was Nashvegas, he had a third party person, Eliot Jackobson who assisten with the audit and from memory found nothing out of the ordinary, but didnt find some strange paaterns or something, please dont quote me on this though.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

The only thing I am worried about is that Enzo promised to have the audit. We all took Enzos word in the past because he was a stand up guy and always came threw.

Now as he has not jumped on this thread yet, it worries me slightly.

IMHO-I think this audit will not happen(even know I hope it does) My reason is-3dice's slots can be fairly brutal. They can be fair at times but brutal as well.

I look at it this way-there has to be losers to pay the winners, but because 3dice's slots swing to the extreme-more often than other software, there has to be more losers than the norm-to pay a lesser amount of winners. Which means that the audit will show that 3dice's slots are un-fair to the majority-which means they will fail the payback percentage to the majority of players.

We all know this-because most of us have played there, and we are OK with this. Its just a different way for us to gamble-against the other software all the other casino's have to offer.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[silcnlayc]

Now as he has not jumped on this thread yet, it worries me slightly.

I too wondered about this and he still hasn't checked in.

We all know this-because most of us have played there, and we are OK with this

Not all of us have been ok about the brutal sessions and losses and glitches.

I look at it this way-there has to be losers to pay the winners, but because 3dice's slots swing to the extreme-more often than other software, there has to be more losers than the norm-to pay a lesser amount of winners. Which means that the audit will show that 3dice's slots are un-fair to the majority-which means they will fail the payback percentage to the majority of players.

I agree on this and found myself too often on the end of the losers side too many times and chose to not participate any more in his casino until an audit has been done.

.

 

[RobWin]

Actually - the awards are still 100% applicable. In fact, the Best New Casino 2007 award was given to them when they weren't even on the site yet.

To be fair to Enzo, he may not even be aware of this thread, so it's not like he's cowering in some corner avoiding this issue. I'll let him know what's up.

In all due respect to you Bryan, I do now believe that he is. Enzo's last post in the forum here was on June 15th, and his last activity was July 7th, over two weeks ago. Enzo used to be on this forum at least once or twice daily. I know, I always saw his name in the current online members list at least a couple of times a day.

It appears he has just totally disappeared now. Or he is not up to the task of at least offering a reply to everyone here regarding the audit. Even if he himself has not logged in here for two weeks now I am almost 99% certain that someone else has let him know of this thread. Something just does not seem quite right about this IMO.

Bryan, has he not even offered you a response on the audit issue either??

____
____

 

[The Dude]

Bryan, has he not even offered you a response on the audit issue either??

At the end of June, he stated that he was going to present the issue of an audit to a board of directors' meeting. That was the last I heard.

 

[Marie2473]

I think I saw in 3dice chat that he is on holiday!
I like 3dice and so far I have not had a single problem. Sure I loose there as well but the support is great and so are the games.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Certified Fair Gambling audited 3-Dice blackjack in December 2007/January 2008. It was determined at that time to be a statistically fair game and the audit was discussed on this site.

A fairness audit is a contract between a software developer and a third party to verify game fairness using statistical tests and to verifty payouts. Some comments in this thread imply that the results of such an audit would be made public. The auditing company checks that the slots are producing the payout percentages indicated in their documentation. There is no assumption that the payouts or RTP reports for the games (especially the slots/keno/bingo) will be made public by the auditor or the casino, although that is often the case. In particular, slot payout percentages and variance are proprietary.

Full transparency,Eliot.......do I have your permission for such?

 

[Boris303]

From browsing around this forum i have seen 3dice issue's come up again and again. And im glad this has happened to them because they can prove themselves by getting this audit done and getting accredited again.
I closed my account with them due to the payouts of their slots, if an audit was done, that would go very far in convincing me to try again there.

For me, i want to feel like im playing them, not them playing me.

 

[3Dice]

Hiya guys,

Just got back from a cruise on the Mediterranean .. it was fantastic - except for the crappy internet - something you gotta do if you ever get the chance

On the topic tho - you can turn the lights back on and take the flashlights of your face - 3rd party audits have never been a priority for the simple reason that there's never been any substantial demand for it from our customer base. I think we've seen as many requests for that since we started as we get requests for more slots every single week. With limited manpower - its always been an obvious choice to make. Its always been on the planning - just never made it to the top of the priority list.

The current situation has given me some more leverage to push this through and we've allready started the audit process. We'll be back on the accredited list before you can say 'Don Quichotte'

Cheers,

Enzo

 

[chuchu59]

Is the pronounciation the same as 'Don Quixote'?

 

[silcnlayc]

Don Quichotte'

I like quiche!

Is the pronounciation the same as 'Don Quixote'?

I like Enzo's pronunciation better! Makes me want breakfast!

.

 

[3Dice]

Hi ChuChu,

well ..

The original title is "El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha" - but according to wiki, Quixote is a disambiguation (

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). I prefer writing it Quichotte as that is closest to how you pronounce it
(its also how the opera is officially called - which is how it got famous ..)

Ciao,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

Hiya guys,

Just got back from a cruise on the Mediterranean .. it was fantastic - except for the crappy internet - something you gotta do if you ever get the chance

On the topic tho - you can turn the lights back on and take the flashlights of your face - 3rd party audits have never been a priority for the simple reason that there's never been any substantial demand for it from our customer base. I think we've seen as many requests for that since we started as we get requests for more slots every single week. With limited manpower - its always been an obvious choice to make. Its always been on the planning - just never made it to the top of the priority list.

The current situation has given me some more leverage to push this through and we've allready started the audit process. We'll be back on the accredited list before you can say 'Don Quichotte'

Cheers,

Enzo

I thought Bryan had stated that you had originally agreed to furnish this audit when he first listed 3Dice here??

You also say that you have already started the audit process....who is doing the audit if you don't mind us asking??

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[RobWin]

I thought Bryan had stated that you had originally agreed to furnish this audit when he first listed 3Dice here??

You also say that you have already started the audit process....who is doing the audit if you don't mind us asking??

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Recently, I relaunched the Accredited Section with the standards for Accredited casinos being a bit more detailed. One of them is the following:

I gave all of the operators a heads up on all the new standards at the end of May - most of whom came back to me stating no problem. I also realized at this time (going through all my old emails) that when I brought 3Dice on in Jan 2008 it was on the condition that they would have 3rd party auditing in place soon. One and a half years is not "soon" for me.

No PABs, no submitted complaints, nothing that perked my ears up. I've just made the standards more concise - that's all; I need to ensure that the casinos listed here meet these.

Yep...I found it....

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[bryand]

Dang Rob, why you sweating 3D so much? Sounds personal to me

 

[3Dice]

Hi Robwin,

I thought Bryan had stated that you had originally agreed to furnish this audit when he first listed 3Dice here??

Yes when Bryan asked me about this I told him it was on the planning, but also that a number of slot machines were to be released before we would be able to spend the manpower on that. I believe at the time the planning was to release one machine a month until we had a more decent selection of slots, something our userbase was (and is) screaming for. The timing there turned out to be a bit ambitious, not uncommon amongst software developers .

At the end of the day the allocation of our manpower and budget is determined solely by our players. Our efforts are spent there where we believe it will make the most difference for our players and ultimately this strategy ensures the best situation for everyone. No offense to Bryan, but if we have to pick between what CM asks and what our players ask, then that is a very easy choice to make.

Let me assure you that it takes a lot more work, organization and effort to run an online casino for years without a single non-payment or delayed payment issue, bonus T&C complaint, voiding of winnings, or meaningful PAB (we've only had two - players trying to get back in..), than it does to get a third party audit performed. It is also an effort I believe is much more appreciated by the players ..

You also say that you have already started the audit process....who is doing the audit if you don't mind us asking??

With the initial audit currently in progress I cant be to specific yet, but we're using a respected third party auditing company used by numerous other big players in this sector.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo