What happened to 3Dice

[jas2587]

I am not arguing that 3-Dice has had a full audit. CFG only audited blackjack and I am not aware of any further third-party audits of 3-Dice.

My point is that a full audit (which includes slots) may have no bearing on producing public information about game returns. It may be transparent; its only function here being to reaccredit 3-Dice.

Thanks

Cindy

 

[Trollet]

Guess who...

Since i see all have said their 2 cents..so i thought i would do that too.

I do think they will get that third party audit.
Im not that sure what good it would do.. i guess theres 100 casinos out there that have it..and still are just doing their best to get your $$...and get away when you win.
And...as a loyal player there i cant say that anything changed for me just by the fact that they are off the list. As Bryan said..there have not been any PABs, or submitted complaints. When that comes ...thats when i will start to think about it.

I had my ups and downs there..just as i have in any other place i played. You still cant blame a casino for your bad luck..even if it's the closest thing to do...since you are mad about it.
But they are still the best when it comes to many things, just my opinion.
And when i win..i get paid...right away

(((HUGS))) Trollet

 

[catrina m]

I am not arguing that 3-Dice has had a full audit. CFG only audited blackjack and I am not aware of any further third-party audits of 3-Dice.

My point is that a full audit (which includes slots) may have no bearing on producing public information about game returns. It may be transparent; its only function here being to reaccredit 3-Dice.

You determined by your audit that the Blackjack is fair at 3Dice.

They should be re-accredited on the assumption that since the BJ has been audited that the other games have No Bearing and it may be transparent on the other games.

Can you please tell me what this means?

Dont get me wrong, I like 3Dice, I would just like to understand this.

Can you also explain how you conduct an audit?

Do you deposit xx amount of funds and play like anyone else, or do you examine playlogs of all players involved?

I do not happen to play blackjack so the slots return may have bearing on me and transparency is an oft used and meaningless word I have heard for several years.

Why will the full audit be transparent on the other games, because they will be the same?

Thank You for any reply.

 

[catrina m]

I like 3Dice, I would also like to understand what this means.

 

[LaurieJim]

Guess who...

Since i see all have said their 2 cents..so i thought i would do that too.

I do think they will get that third party audit.
Im not that sure what good it would do.. i guess theres 100 casinos out there that have it..and still are just doing their best to get your $$...and get away when you win.
And...as a loyal player there i cant say that anything changed for me just by the fact that they are off the list. As Bryan said..there have not been any PABs, or submitted complaints. When that comes ...thats when i will start to think about it.

I had my ups and downs there..just as i have in any other place i played. You still cant blame a casino for your bad luck..even if it's the closest thing to do...since you are mad about it.
But they are still the best when it comes to many things, just my opinion.
And when i win..i get paid...right away

(((HUGS))) Trollet

This is prolly true, i hope that the casino does do the audit, just to set minds at ease and you are so right, there are many casinos out there that will take your money and spit you back into the fire and not think a damn thing about you or your losses.

I have said again and again, i have a love hate relationship with 3 Dice and always will, its nothing personal as i do like the customer support and the games and the fact that you can deposit as little as 10.00 and will always get paid your winnings without question.

Im just not seeing that many great screen shots that we all were so used to seeing posted, a year ago, i will be cutting back on playing at 3 Dice for awhile and play in some tourneys ..............laurie

 

[baabaa006]

Wow. When I first posted this thread, I just thought that 3Dice had been neglected during the new Accredited page. Didn't know there was an actual reason.
I must admit I will continue to play at 3Dice for the time being as I have been very lucky in recent times and the support and payouts are first class.
I guess you always favour Casinos you have been winning at over those you don't, and at the moment I am winning at 3Dice (So hopefully any future audits won't change that fact )

 

[jetset]

As a general comment, I take the view that a genuine third party audit to ensure game fairness on a regular basis is of value.

It requires an additional level of commitment and (some) transparency on the part of the operator, too - often a positive indicator for players.

 

[RobWin]

I do think they will get that third party audit.
Im not that sure what good it would do.. Trollet

Well, for one it will get 3Dice re-listed on the accredited casino list if Enzo in fact wants to be back on it.

And since ALL of the other casinos that are on the accredited list have already had audits done it will re-assure players that 3Dice also wants to conform to the requirements of being on the list and further show players that they have absolutely nothing to hide with their games being opened up for inspection.

 

[catrina m]

As a general comment, I take the view that a genuine third party audit to ensure game fairness on a regular basis is of value.

It requires an additional level of commitment and (some) transparency on the part of the operator, too - often a positive indicator for players.

I agree.

An audit would be of significant value, as you said, "a genuine third party"

The transparency would be obvious if the "3rd party" gave a favorable review, as i am sure many here would like to see of 3Dice.

I also play there, I am obvious to losing at MG and RTG and welcome playing at 3Dice, but I am also obvious of losing ( as well as winning) there also.

As was stated before:

Whats the problem with a reply that works with the casinomeister community.

This is the place that informs not only the players, but the management of the players concerns.

This should be addressed by Enzo or a "3rd party" that has the ability to confirm that 3Dice has been audited fairly on all games.

 

[same_old]

Why would you do this? I'm confused? I'm sure 3Dice has plenty of money.

Am I thinking of something else...I remember someone having an audit done there, but didn't like to discuss it? What happened with that audit?

It was just meant to be a joke, ZEnzo hasnt addressed the issue as yet so I said I will pay for it to gwet it done.

The member your refering to that had the audit done was Nashvegas, he had a third party person, Eliot Jackobson who assisten with the audit and from memory found nothing out of the ordinary, but didnt find some strange paaterns or something, please dont quote me on this though.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

The only thing I am worried about is that Enzo promised to have the audit. We all took Enzos word in the past because he was a stand up guy and always came threw.

Now as he has not jumped on this thread yet, it worries me slightly.

IMHO-I think this audit will not happen(even know I hope it does) My reason is-3dice's slots can be fairly brutal. They can be fair at times but brutal as well.

I look at it this way-there has to be losers to pay the winners, but because 3dice's slots swing to the extreme-more often than other software, there has to be more losers than the norm-to pay a lesser amount of winners. Which means that the audit will show that 3dice's slots are un-fair to the majority-which means they will fail the payback percentage to the majority of players.

We all know this-because most of us have played there, and we are OK with this. Its just a different way for us to gamble-against the other software all the other casino's have to offer.

Just my 2 cents!

 

[silcnlayc]

Now as he has not jumped on this thread yet, it worries me slightly.

I too wondered about this and he still hasn't checked in.

We all know this-because most of us have played there, and we are OK with this

Not all of us have been ok about the brutal sessions and losses and glitches.

I look at it this way-there has to be losers to pay the winners, but because 3dice's slots swing to the extreme-more often than other software, there has to be more losers than the norm-to pay a lesser amount of winners. Which means that the audit will show that 3dice's slots are un-fair to the majority-which means they will fail the payback percentage to the majority of players.

I agree on this and found myself too often on the end of the losers side too many times and chose to not participate any more in his casino until an audit has been done.

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[RobWin]

Actually - the awards are still 100% applicable. In fact, the Best New Casino 2007 award was given to them when they weren't even on the site yet.

To be fair to Enzo, he may not even be aware of this thread, so it's not like he's cowering in some corner avoiding this issue. I'll let him know what's up.

In all due respect to you Bryan, I do now believe that he is. Enzo's last post in the forum here was on June 15th, and his last activity was July 7th, over two weeks ago. Enzo used to be on this forum at least once or twice daily. I know, I always saw his name in the current online members list at least a couple of times a day.

It appears he has just totally disappeared now. Or he is not up to the task of at least offering a reply to everyone here regarding the audit. Even if he himself has not logged in here for two weeks now I am almost 99% certain that someone else has let him know of this thread. Something just does not seem quite right about this IMO.

Bryan, has he not even offered you a response on the audit issue either??

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[Casinomeister]

Bryan, has he not even offered you a response on the audit issue either??

At the end of June, he stated that he was going to present the issue of an audit to a board of directors' meeting. That was the last I heard.

 

[Marie2473]

I think I saw in 3dice chat that he is on holiday!
I like 3dice and so far I have not had a single problem. Sure I loose there as well but the support is great and so are the games.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Certified Fair Gambling audited 3-Dice blackjack in December 2007/January 2008. It was determined at that time to be a statistically fair game and the audit was discussed on this site.

A fairness audit is a contract between a software developer and a third party to verify game fairness using statistical tests and to verifty payouts. Some comments in this thread imply that the results of such an audit would be made public. The auditing company checks that the slots are producing the payout percentages indicated in their documentation. There is no assumption that the payouts or RTP reports for the games (especially the slots/keno/bingo) will be made public by the auditor or the casino, although that is often the case. In particular, slot payout percentages and variance are proprietary.

Full transparency,Eliot.......do I have your permission for such?

 

[Boris303]

From browsing around this forum i have seen 3dice issue's come up again and again. And im glad this has happened to them because they can prove themselves by getting this audit done and getting accredited again.
I closed my account with them due to the payouts of their slots, if an audit was done, that would go very far in convincing me to try again there.

For me, i want to feel like im playing them, not them playing me.

 

[3Dice]

Hiya guys,

Just got back from a cruise on the Mediterranean .. it was fantastic - except for the crappy internet - something you gotta do if you ever get the chance

On the topic tho - you can turn the lights back on and take the flashlights of your face - 3rd party audits have never been a priority for the simple reason that there's never been any substantial demand for it from our customer base. I think we've seen as many requests for that since we started as we get requests for more slots every single week. With limited manpower - its always been an obvious choice to make. Its always been on the planning - just never made it to the top of the priority list.

The current situation has given me some more leverage to push this through and we've allready started the audit process. We'll be back on the accredited list before you can say 'Don Quichotte'

Cheers,

Enzo

 

[chuchu59]

Is the pronounciation the same as 'Don Quixote'?

 

[silcnlayc]

Don Quichotte'

I like quiche!

Is the pronounciation the same as 'Don Quixote'?

I like Enzo's pronunciation better! Makes me want breakfast!

.

 

[3Dice]

Hi ChuChu,

well ..

The original title is "El ingenioso hidalgo Don Quijote de la Mancha" - but according to wiki, Quixote is a disambiguation (

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). I prefer writing it Quichotte as that is closest to how you pronounce it
(its also how the opera is officially called - which is how it got famous ..)

Ciao,

Enzo

 

[RobWin]

Hiya guys,

Just got back from a cruise on the Mediterranean .. it was fantastic - except for the crappy internet - something you gotta do if you ever get the chance

On the topic tho - you can turn the lights back on and take the flashlights of your face - 3rd party audits have never been a priority for the simple reason that there's never been any substantial demand for it from our customer base. I think we've seen as many requests for that since we started as we get requests for more slots every single week. With limited manpower - its always been an obvious choice to make. Its always been on the planning - just never made it to the top of the priority list.

The current situation has given me some more leverage to push this through and we've allready started the audit process. We'll be back on the accredited list before you can say 'Don Quichotte'

Cheers,

Enzo

I thought Bryan had stated that you had originally agreed to furnish this audit when he first listed 3Dice here??

You also say that you have already started the audit process....who is doing the audit if you don't mind us asking??

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[RobWin]

I thought Bryan had stated that you had originally agreed to furnish this audit when he first listed 3Dice here??

You also say that you have already started the audit process....who is doing the audit if you don't mind us asking??

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Recently, I relaunched the Accredited Section with the standards for Accredited casinos being a bit more detailed. One of them is the following:

I gave all of the operators a heads up on all the new standards at the end of May - most of whom came back to me stating no problem. I also realized at this time (going through all my old emails) that when I brought 3Dice on in Jan 2008 it was on the condition that they would have 3rd party auditing in place soon. One and a half years is not "soon" for me.

No PABs, no submitted complaints, nothing that perked my ears up. I've just made the standards more concise - that's all; I need to ensure that the casinos listed here meet these.

Yep...I found it....

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[bryand]

Dang Rob, why you sweating 3D so much? Sounds personal to me

 

[3Dice]

Hi Robwin,

I thought Bryan had stated that you had originally agreed to furnish this audit when he first listed 3Dice here??

Yes when Bryan asked me about this I told him it was on the planning, but also that a number of slot machines were to be released before we would be able to spend the manpower on that. I believe at the time the planning was to release one machine a month until we had a more decent selection of slots, something our userbase was (and is) screaming for. The timing there turned out to be a bit ambitious, not uncommon amongst software developers .

At the end of the day the allocation of our manpower and budget is determined solely by our players. Our efforts are spent there where we believe it will make the most difference for our players and ultimately this strategy ensures the best situation for everyone. No offense to Bryan, but if we have to pick between what CM asks and what our players ask, then that is a very easy choice to make.

Let me assure you that it takes a lot more work, organization and effort to run an online casino for years without a single non-payment or delayed payment issue, bonus T&C complaint, voiding of winnings, or meaningful PAB (we've only had two - players trying to get back in..), than it does to get a third party audit performed. It is also an effort I believe is much more appreciated by the players ..

You also say that you have already started the audit process....who is doing the audit if you don't mind us asking??

With the initial audit currently in progress I cant be to specific yet, but we're using a respected third party auditing company used by numerous other big players in this sector.

Kindest Regards,

Enzo