Virtual Casino - Tit for Tat Rants

[jod5413]

Hi All4greed –

Yes I am aware of the old history and as I mentioned before I will do everything I can to help players resolve those issue…I don’t know how far back I will be able to go but I took this job based on the understanding that the company is going to take measures so this does not happen in the future. I have a commitment from my top management team members to resolve all player issues ASAP and in the best possible manner.

MD

Well Robert, oops, I mean Marty, good luck to ya. Seriously.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Awesome, and very fast work by the way too, I think one of us should go ahead and alert Bryan or Max one to go ahead and close this thread so we can get on to the more important issues at hand now....that is signing up new affiliates with a 50% rev share....shweet!
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At least keep the thread open until CAP awards this Marty schmuck, the 2010 AFFILIATE OF THE YEAR!!

 

[RobWin]

At least keep the thread open until CAP awards this Marty schmuck, the 2010 AFFILIATE OF THE YEAR!!

Sorry dude, but the 2010 AFFILIATE OF THE YEAR award has already been given out by iGB to AskGamblers for their promotion of the Virtual Group...

You can read all of the details about my thunder against iGB over at the OCR in this post and the ones that follow it...

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[NASHVEGAS]

Sorry dude, but the 2010 AFFILIATE OF THE YEAR award has already been given out by iGB to AskGamblers for their promotion of the Virtual Group...

You can read all of the details about my thunder against iGB over at the OCR in this post and the ones that follow it...

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By gawd, to think that flew right under my radar. WTF

 

[jod5413]

Awesome, and very fast work by the way too, I think one of us should go ahead and alert Bryan or Max one to go ahead and close this thread so we can get on to the more important issues at hand now....that is signing up new affiliates with a 50% rev share....shweet!
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Now, now, Rob. Be fair. Marty said all past issues would be taken care of.

I think I am gonna become an affiliate and I am wondering if, now that it looks like all the issues are being dealt with, I should totally dedicate myself to carry only the GW/Virtual brands? That sweet 50% rev share at Calvin's site, or excuse me, Cap's site, really looks like a great deal!!

Hey Nash, you wanna go in with me on my new venture?



.....sigh.....(old broad pulling her hair out right here and right now)

 

[oldtrvlagt]

This may be a derail but I would like to know if they revamped the security (specifically at Club Player) so they don't send threatening emails because someone won a random jackpot. That really creates player loyalty

 

[mrracetrack]

Hummm...

Marty Davis stated:

I represent the Gambling Wages brands:

www.gamblingwages.com
www.gwages.com
www.coolcatCasino.com
www.palaceofchance.com
www.clubplayercasino.com
www.cirruscasino.com

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www.wildvegascasino.com

And my thoughts on the "rest" of the Virtual shit holes...

 

[bb28]

Anyone else thinking Marty's posting could have be done without the LIVE links?

 

[takethemoney]

Anyone else thinking Marty's posting could have be done without the LIVE links?

Nobody click those links. You might fall in!!!

 

[jod5413]

Anyone else thinking Marty's posting could have be done without the LIVE links?

Jeez Louise, BB!!!

Hell no, he had to post live links, the better to lure the marks in! He has to earn his pay, yanno?

 

[bb28]

Nobody click those links. You might fall in!!!

Yeah.........right into the pit of hell.

 

[WagerWitch]

Same crew - same group of people.

You guys - I'm surprised at you.

I am surprised at HOW RUDE you are.

I am surprised you're NOT handling this like adults - but like a bunch of children.

You're not providing decent material for him to deal with - instead on a forum you're acting like a bunch of snotty kids.

You are better than this.

Here's the deal: Marty has quite a DECENT Reputation in this Industry.

ENOUGH for staff of Calvin Ayers to promote the OBVIOUS PR Marketing Article.

I have respect for Ayers.

He doesn't choose his fenceposts lightly - and he has chosen specifically to stand by his position - which makes me wonder quite a bit about the underlying truth. IF YOU AREN'T WONDERING - YOU SHOULD BE.

I agree GW has been a pile of dogdoodoo in the past.

I agree that GW has been chock full of lies, deceit and player atrocities....

However - guys - if Marty has taken this load on - WITH his background and his reputation (well earned REPUTATION).... Then maybe... JUST MAYBE --- something is brewing.

AND MAYBE --- Just MAYBE - he REALLY IS trying to tackle this issue.

Instead of asking direct questions.... Instead of offering directional pursuit for him to take... Instead of offering suggestions - this small group of you are being NASTY, RUDE and saying things that are ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR...

I am not saying that GW isn't a VIPER PIT - what I am saying is --- TREAT MARTY ---- MARTY ----- with respect.

He has totally placed his reputation on the line.

And Calvin Ayers is backing him on it - and so is Becky.

THINK ON THAT you guys.

And stop with the downright vicious mentality - it's rude - I don't like seeing it - it REALLY MAKES ME WANT TO GAG about what Bryan's forum has turned in to.

You guys are just turning into NOT NICE PEOPLE.

You could be saying things in a much different manner - instead you've taken the insulting - rude - snarky - sarcastic - vicious route...

AND YOU THINK IT IS OK.

It's a public forum - and I AM part of the public and I am HIGHLY OFFENDED with your behavior and activity.

AND YOU THINK IT IS OK.

Marty - regardless of your outcome - I wish you the best of luck on cleaning this place up.

If anyone can - it IS you.

Maybe people - for the first time GW has realized that they have lost millions of dollars by losing players and from the negative publicity which they have well deserved....

MAYBE - Marty being there is the time for REAL change.

WHO knows?

Maybe they will ALWAYS suck - and they will ALWAYS RIP PEOPLE off...

But - I say - at least - GIVE MARTY a freaking chance to get to work on this stuff.

I BELIEVE - if he finds they cannot change - if they cannot maintain quality - he will get out ---- and HE WILL let us know.

But you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

REALLY.

And if you aren't - then you probably should wonder about that.

 

[WagerWitch]

Bonustreak hits the nail on the head here imo. If this operator were sincere, the most impactful and credible way to go about addressing what is clearly a big problem would be as Bonustreak suggests....and only then go the press release and respectable-representative-on-the-forums route.

That would have meant something and could be an indicator of good faith.

But I surmise that the operator cares little about redressing the player problems of the past, and instead is mainly concerned with recruiting more affiliates to build the future.

@RobWin - if there is censorship ongoing at the Ayre site it simply gives the lie to the mealy-mouthed corporate line that they have adopted in shrugging off responsibility for the GW hype. Some may even view it as detracting from the credibility of the site as a neutral channel for information and views.

@WagerWitch: There are several abusive posts in this thread, and I don't think that is particularly constructive, although when a player has been stiffed I can understand if not approve of taking such an unnecessarily coarse approach in expressing a view.

That said, in my personal opinion you are making the same fundamental error of judgement as the gushing Bodog Becky earlier in this thread in focusing on Marty's personal rep instead of the real issue - the past record of this operator and the liklihood that we are seeing yet another "turning over a new leaf" initiative.

Players are absolutely justified in taking issue with this on the principle of "fool me once......etc" and in my view you are wrong to take posters to task for expressing valid doubts about the sincerity of this latest approach - regardless of who is, perhaps unwittingly, fronting for it.

The fulsome praise given to Marty is a distraction that has limited validity in this issue imo - this is exactly what the operator no doubt hopes will happen.

The real and possibly more expensive problem is a reputational one that is hard to fix because it has been continually placed in jeopardy by the actions of this operator in the past, and that indicates a propensity to do the same in the future. If you follow industry affairs you will know that this is now SOP for this operator, and that diminishes the liklihood of players being prepared to give those concerned a second chance.

Three or four months from now it is going to be interesting to see where this all ends up - will we see historically stiffed players commending Marty and GW-Virtual? Only time will tell.

I truly hope it's not a situation where more players end up in a nightmare instead of a fair online gambling experience with trouble-free payment of winnings.

Actually Jetset - I believe the actual issue is precisely Marty's reputation.

Knowing his reputation and honor - the VERY fact that he is WILLING to place ALL of that on the LINE speaks volumes of his commitment to try and take this BULL by the horns and make a difference.

To be honest - will every single player who has had an issue in the past - before his joining be PERFECTLY satisfied... Probably not...

But that doesn't mean he can't try.

AND - that doesn't mean that from this point forward that he is going to allow them to continue to treat player issues with greed and thievery any longer. In fact, I believe he is there to try and change that mindset, promote customer service skills - and make this a higher branded casino - as truthfully - money is the bottom line - and without a change - they will surely go under.

I think it is worth the opportunity to allow someone of high caliber rating - the CHANCE to deal with the issues and turn the boat around - instead of treating THAT INDIVIDUAL like crap.

Does this mean I think he can accomplish his goals - or that he won't make mistakes? NO...

It means that I am reserving judgment until it proves.

Bottom line - I'm not putting MY money - or my affiliate site on the LINE ---- until I see a respectful change...

But I'm also not going to blow him out of the water - and chase him off of his job....

BECAUSE HE MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE PAST PLAYERS MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE TO RECLAIM LOSSES.

I stand by my statements about the bashing.

I also edited this to add this line:

I do think Marty is used to the TYPICAL PR Marketing (Articles, etc.) and yes, he should have cleaned up ship before doing that - however - remember that he is new to the situation - and is learning - the hard way - how to change and handle things.

We all know that the article was a PR move to pull up SEO, promote the casino and more...

So - in that respect - it was a smart move - REMEMBER - he isn't only here to assuage the past issues - he is also hired to bring in more customers.

 

[WagerWitch]

If this was in 2002 I'd say sure...I can understand your point and reasoning.

However it's 2010 and history tells us that Virtual Casino Group has a list of broken promises a mile long. The owners of this rogue casino group have made promises they never keep. They've lied to CM numerous times; they've lied to players.

They (Virtual Casino Group & their representatives) have proved beyond reasonable doubt telling the truth and keeping promises is alien to them.

The door of opportunity has been swung open time and time again to Virtual Casino Group; so much so its fallen off its hinges.

But here we are again...A lot of words, more promises to fix things but no action

Unless the Virtual Casino Group Owners are prepared to fix their mess and pay outstanding winnings, they could employ the POPE as their mouth piece BUT nothing would change the fact they've scammed players and these players need to be paid in full.

Personally I'm sick and tired of reading this crap. I'm sure burnt players shafted by Virtual Casino Group feel the same way too.

When and if Marty gets all the players paid that have been shafted by Virtual Casino Group since they commenced their online casino/sports books (my estimate stands in excess of $2,000,000US owed), I'll be happy to reconsider my position on both Marty and Virtual Casino Group.

But until I see action...it is what it always is...blah...blah..blah.


Cheers



Dave

But Dave - that is PRECISELY the point.

Constructive feedback...
Providing the problems in a clear and concise manner...
Giving solutions, ideas and informed opinions in a positive manner...

Those are the things that make ANY industry representative WANT to work with the customers.

I AM NOT SAYING MARTY IS GOING TO CLEAN UP THEIR ACT.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS PLACE WILL EVER TURN LILLY WHITE.

I am saying - DAMNIT - treat the rep with some respect and dignity.

He already has the honor in his previous positions.

He already has the experience.

He already has the reputation.

THIS CASINO WILL REMAINED ROGUED until it changes - ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

I'm not going to send people there until I see a massive change either.

But I'm not going to cut MARTY down for attempting something.

He's a human being for goodness sake.

One who has built his reputation up to good standings - and THAT alone should be worth treating him with respect.

I NEVER SAID --- YAY --- THEY ARE GOING TO CHANGE --- YAY GO PLAY THEM --- YAY ---- NOTHING.

I'm saying - treat the poster with respect.

 

[AussieDave]

He already has the reputation.

So do a lot of people here too.

But hypothetically if anyone of these reputable folks engaged in employment at a rogue casino tomorrow, their reputation would be brought into contention and rightly so.

That's the point YOUR missing.

Anyway...I'll agree to disagree and leave it at that.

It's about time this thread return to it's original focus. Because we can sit here for the next 10 years debating Marty's intentions..ect...ect

IMHO I don't think anything will change but if they do then it's Kudos to Marty for making it happen.

I'm a gambler, with that you become an ultimate optimist

Time will tell....


Cheers



Dave

 

[jod5413]

Same crew - same group of people.

You guys - I'm surprised at you.

I am surprised at HOW RUDE you are.

I am surprised you're NOT handling this like adults - but like a bunch of children.

You're not providing decent material for him to deal with - instead on a forum you're acting like a bunch of snotty kids.

You are better than this.

Here's the deal: Marty has quite a DECENT Reputation in this Industry.

ENOUGH for staff of Calvin Ayers to promote the OBVIOUS PR Marketing Article.

I have respect for Ayers.

He doesn't choose his fenceposts lightly - and he has chosen specifically to stand by his position - which makes me wonder quite a bit about the underlying truth. IF YOU AREN'T WONDERING - YOU SHOULD BE.

I agree GW has been a pile of dogdoodoo in the past.

I agree that GW has been chock full of lies, deceit and player atrocities....

However - guys - if Marty has taken this load on - WITH his background and his reputation (well earned REPUTATION).... Then maybe... JUST MAYBE --- something is brewing.

AND MAYBE --- Just MAYBE - he REALLY IS trying to tackle this issue.

Instead of asking direct questions.... Instead of offering directional pursuit for him to take... Instead of offering suggestions - this small group of you are being NASTY, RUDE and saying things that are ABSOLUTELY UNCALLED FOR...

I am not saying that GW isn't a VIPER PIT - what I am saying is --- TREAT MARTY ---- MARTY ----- with respect.

He has totally placed his reputation on the line.

And Calvin Ayers is backing him on it - and so is Becky.

THINK ON THAT you guys.

And stop with the downright vicious mentality - it's rude - I don't like seeing it - it REALLY MAKES ME WANT TO GAG about what Bryan's forum has turned in to.

You guys are just turning into NOT NICE PEOPLE.

You could be saying things in a much different manner - instead you've taken the insulting - rude - snarky - sarcastic - vicious route...

AND YOU THINK IT IS OK.

It's a public forum - and I AM part of the public and I am HIGHLY OFFENDED with your behavior and activity.

AND YOU THINK IT IS OK.

Marty - regardless of your outcome - I wish you the best of luck on cleaning this place up.

If anyone can - it IS you.

Maybe people - for the first time GW has realized that they have lost millions of dollars by losing players and from the negative publicity which they have well deserved....

MAYBE - Marty being there is the time for REAL change.

WHO knows?

Maybe they will ALWAYS suck - and they will ALWAYS RIP PEOPLE off...

But - I say - at least - GIVE MARTY a freaking chance to get to work on this stuff.

I BELIEVE - if he finds they cannot change - if they cannot maintain quality - he will get out ---- and HE WILL let us know.

But you all should be ashamed of yourselves.

REALLY.

And if you aren't - then you probably should wonder about that.

Actually Jetset - I believe the actual issue is precisely Marty's reputation.

Knowing his reputation and honor - the VERY fact that he is WILLING to place ALL of that on the LINE speaks volumes of his commitment to try and take this BULL by the horns and make a difference.

To be honest - will every single player who has had an issue in the past - before his joining be PERFECTLY satisfied... Probably not...

But that doesn't mean he can't try.

AND - that doesn't mean that from this point forward that he is going to allow them to continue to treat player issues with greed and thievery any longer. In fact, I believe he is there to try and change that mindset, promote customer service skills - and make this a higher branded casino - as truthfully - money is the bottom line - and without a change - they will surely go under.

I think it is worth the opportunity to allow someone of high caliber rating - the CHANCE to deal with the issues and turn the boat around - instead of treating THAT INDIVIDUAL like crap.

Does this mean I think he can accomplish his goals - or that he won't make mistakes? NO...

It means that I am reserving judgment until it proves.

Bottom line - I'm not putting MY money - or my affiliate site on the LINE ---- until I see a respectful change...

But I'm also not going to blow him out of the water - and chase him off of his job....

BECAUSE HE MAY BE THE ONLY CHANCE PAST PLAYERS MAY BE ABLE TO HAVE TO RECLAIM LOSSES.

I stand by my statements about the bashing.

I also edited this to add this line:

I do think Marty is used to the TYPICAL PR Marketing (Articles, etc.) and yes, he should have cleaned up ship before doing that - however - remember that he is new to the situation - and is learning - the hard way - how to change and handle things.

We all know that the article was a PR move to pull up SEO, promote the casino and more...

So - in that respect - it was a smart move - REMEMBER - he isn't only here to assuage the past issues - he is also hired to bring in more customers.

But Dave - that is PRECISELY the point.

Constructive feedback...
Providing the problems in a clear and concise manner...
Giving solutions, ideas and informed opinions in a positive manner...

Those are the things that make ANY industry representative WANT to work with the customers.

I AM NOT SAYING MARTY IS GOING TO CLEAN UP THEIR ACT.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS PLACE WILL EVER TURN LILLY WHITE.

I am saying - DAMNIT - treat the rep with some respect and dignity.

He already has the honor in his previous positions.

He already has the experience.

He already has the reputation.

THIS CASINO WILL REMAINED ROGUED until it changes - ABSOLUTELY TRUE.

I'm not going to send people there until I see a massive change either.

But I'm not going to cut MARTY down for attempting something.

He's a human being for goodness sake.

One who has built his reputation up to good standings - and THAT alone should be worth treating him with respect.

I NEVER SAID --- YAY --- THEY ARE GOING TO CHANGE --- YAY GO PLAY THEM --- YAY ---- NOTHING.

I'm saying - treat the poster with respect.

So much for not bullying and/or being judgemental. You seem to think that you can treat us with no respect in your scolding posts but you demand we treat this new GW rep, Marty, with respect? Jeez Louise.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

WOW! So I replied to a post from the 9 pages I originally came in on in page 11 and now have 3 more pages to go through.

However, first I am going to address the emails and PM's I received about player payout issues first.

I am asking again if there are specific player payout issues please PM me...I may not see them if you post on this forum.

Wager Witch I have never met you but I am going to print your post and hang it on my wall with the CM logo on the header, Becky you and I go way back, you’re awesome and I thank you so much for your support.

I was promised an opportunity to handle player issues and I have the full support of upper management in order to do so…more importantly like Wager Witch said if I am not able to make a difference I will bow out gracefully but as of now I have no reason to believe that will be the case and I simply ask for the opportunity to try.

MD

Hey pal,
What is your plan for the thousands who will not PM you on account they do not read this forum? You have none so eff off with your conniving, manipulative horseshit. Bow!

BTW, I am sure that witch will have about 40 more posts for you to hang

 

[marcsudbury]

wow the lack of maturity on some of you. guys been here a few times in the last 2 days. cut em some slack. what about those nameles people? well boo hoo what can he do with no names?

if this guy is upsetting you so much go make a cry in the corner threrad. it's like these threads are only viewed by 90% children. gossip like a bunch of kids at recess.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

wow the lack of maturity on some of you. guys been here a few times in the last 2 days. cut em some slack. what about those nameles people? well boo hoo what can he do with no names?

if this guy is upsetting you so much go make a cry in the corner threrad. it's like these threads are only viewed by 90% children. gossip like a bunch of kids at recess.

Ignore button, son! The casino (all) is no friend of mine or yours but suit yourselves. Best if the "casino apologists" just ignore me please!! No mercy!

 

[JAMES50]

You can't polish a turd.Or tame beast thats been in the wild to long.

 

[NASHVEGAS]

It probably is, and shows they are HURTING from all the bad publicity.

A similar exercise was tried last year, and some 10K was paid out to settle claims, and then they pulled the "spin", by using this to justify issuing a statement to the effect that "all past player issues have now been resolved".

Of course it didn't work, and this is why they have tried it AGAIN. Marty has been wheeled in to "resolve" another portion of player claims, and so long as the budget set aside is not exceeded, he will have "the full support of management".

IF on the other hand, MOST of the long standing player issues are brought up, management will lose interest, get rid of Marty, and try something else. They may even decide to use Marty as the "scapegoat", by suggesting it was something HE didn't do properly that lead to this incentive falling apart.

I don't think Virtual even have the money in the bank to pay out to ALL players who were cheated, so they have to be relying on this only costing them another 10K by restricting claims to those players who frequent forums and find out this process is even going on. Virtual may even find a way for AFFILIATES to end up footing the bill for all this, similar to the sneaky changes they made at the end of last year, that only affiliates that looked closely at their stats noticed.

Their end goal may be to worm their way into a UK whitelisted jurisdiction, and then have the UK and EU markets fully opened to them - so many more players to rip-off

It is called "marketing". Of course, with intents *cough*!

 

[takethemoney]

Hey pal,
What is your plan for the thousands who will not PM you on account they do not read this forum? You have none so eff off with your conniving, manipulative horseshit. Bow!

BTW, I am sure that witch will have about 40 more posts for you to hang

Man, how completely fucking out of line. Where has he connived anyone? I see a man who is not denying the previous bad behavior by this group and appears to be trying to do some good. How can you bash him like that?

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Man, how completely fucking out of line. Where has he connived anyone? I see a man who is not denying the previous bad behavior by this group and appears to be trying to do some good. How can you bash him like that?

BBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Now put moi on ignore.................You are "out of line", No, you are "out of line", Fine by me if it makes you feel better!!

 

[AussieDave]

They may even decide to use Marty as the "scapegoat"

Who's to say that's not the case now...

I can see it now...the Board Room at Virtual Casino Group...

Let's head hunt someone who has high rep in the industry...think...think...think...

Hey what about Marty Davis!

He's got friends like Bodog Becky, Calvin Ayre and others, they'll vouch for him...

He'll do, perfectly...

If I was you Marty I'd be booking myself on the next flight outa Costa Rica


Cheers



Dave

 

[jod5413]

BBBBBBBLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! Now put moi on ignore.................You are "out of line", No, you are "out of line", Fine by me if it makes you feel better!!

Who's to say that's not the case now...

I can see it now...the Board Room at Virtual Casino Group...

Let's head hunt someone who has high rep in the industry...think...think...think...

Hey what about Marty Davis!

He's got friends like Bodog Becky, Calvin Ayre and others, they'll vouch for him...

He'll do, perfectly...

If I was you Marty I'd be booking myself on the next flight outa Costa Rica


Cheers



Dave

I agree with those that say Marty's reputation is irrelevant.
The tail does not wag the Dog.
I have no idea why anyone with a good reputation would align themselves with such a disreputable group though?

Now come with me, come on, to a land far, far away.
A land where the Virtual group are no longer toxic because Marty, like the second coming, has ushered in a brave new dawn.

Now it is still the same people who caused all the distress and pain of the past that run these Casinos but now, now you should forgive and not only forgive but give, yes give freely to those who stole your money but are changed. Changed like a carnivore to a herbivores because they ate all the lambs.

Do you feel giving? Nah, me neither.

This is the point though.
They are hurting.
The magic tricks are wearing thin and the slight of the hand is shaky.
Hey presto - we are changed!
Puff - We vanish!
Watch as we change shitty casinos into good ones with a simple name change, Tadaa!
Hey presto - we are changed!
Oops, the mirrors are cracked and the smoke hasn't worked.
"Boo! Get off!"

Yes they are obviously hurting and their reputation is catching up with them like bad Karma. If people continue to see through their second rate tricks maybe they will eventually disappear for real?
What is wrong with that Marty, why try and save something that is rotten?

A big Thank You to you guys, my thanks button got all used up!