Virtual Casino pays rule breakers

[virtualted]

Thakid2u,
I am sorry about your problem at the casino, and it is much easier to work things out by contacting me than posting on forums. I am available and can be contacted. You reopened your account with us in early January, after posting on Gamblers Station forum that you wanted to clean up your account with us. So we closed all of your other accounts with us, and did not hold your previous actions of breaking the casino rules by taking multiple free chips. We kept the one account open, and gave you a free chip to restart you off. You made a few deposits with your MasterCard and received large bonuses on them. You have not made a deposit since January 29, but have redeemed 4 consecutive free chips since than, which is a violation of the casinos terms. Since you did come back to the casino under a special promotion, and since the forum representative you came from has spoken very highly of you, we decided to pay you on the free chip you cashed out on that you were 100% not eligible for. When you made your request we sent you a Detailed Transaction Sheet, to confirm the MasterCard charges you made. We approved the withdrawal to your Neteller account, and are only waiting for that conformation to send you the win.
We have decided to pay you the money any way since it is not worth our time to fight you over 55.00. So I guess you can know tell every one that you were able to CHEAT a casino, and get paid.I guess Lanidar is right like when he pushed a cheating player at Cirrus to get paid for cheating. Lanidar believes every single cheats if he does not win, because he is a God among men and can beat any odds against him. He knows if he pays enough people to always defend him and makes his fonts the biggest on line than he must be right. So I do accept that you are God Lanidar, and I am sure in two weeks when we see white smoke from Rome the Cardnials will confirm it.

 

[lanidar]

We have decided to pay you the money any way since it is not worth our time to fight you over 55.00. So I guess you can know tell every one that you were able to CHEAT a casino, and get paid.I guess Lanidar is right like when he pushed a cheating player at Cirrus to get paid for cheating. Lanidar believes every single cheats if he does not win, because he is a God among men and can beat any odds against him. He knows if he pays enough people to always defend him and makes his fonts the biggest on line than he must be right. So I do accept that you are God Lanidar, and I am sure in two weeks when we see white smoke from Rome the Cardnials will confirm it.

It's about time you realized it!

 

[chuchu59]

Thakid2u,
I am sorry about your problem at the casino, and it is much easier to work things out by contacting me than posting on forums. I am available and can be contacted. You reopened your account with us in early January, after posting on Gamblers Station forum that you wanted to clean up your account with us. So we closed all of your other accounts with us, and did not hold your previous actions of breaking the casino rules by taking multiple free chips. We kept the one account open, and gave you a free chip to restart you off. You made a few deposits with your MasterCard and received large bonuses on them. You have not made a deposit since January 29, but have redeemed 4 consecutive free chips since than, which is a violation of the casinos terms. Since you did come back to the casino under a special promotion, and since the forum representative you came from has spoken very highly of you, we decided to pay you on the free chip you cashed out on that you were 100% not eligible for. When you made your request we sent you a Detailed Transaction Sheet, to confirm the MasterCard charges you made. We approved the withdrawal to your Neteller account, and are only waiting for that conformation to send you the win.
We have decided to pay you the money any way since it is not worth our time to fight you over 55.00. So I guess you can know tell every one that you were able to CHEAT a casino, and get paid.I guess Lanidar is right like when he pushed a cheating player at Cirrus to get paid for cheating. Lanidar believes every single cheats if he does not win, because he is a God among men and can beat any odds against him. He knows if he pays enough people to always defend him and makes his fonts the biggest on line than he must be right. So I do accept that you are God Lanidar, and I am sure in two weeks when we see white smoke from Rome the Cardnials will confirm it.

Ted,

I disagree that if the player had violated the casinos terms ie redeeming 4 free chips without making any deposits,you should still pay the $55 since its not worth the fight. I havent gone to your site to read the terms and conditions for redeeming free chips but if what you say is true,given that you have decided to give in,this could open way to a flood of players waiting to do the same.

 

[unicorn40]

'Virtual Pays Rulebreakers' was how Ted titled this thread...

Well, that's nice to know.

Legitimate players get stiffed... but 'rulebreakers' get paid.

Sure seems like a great way to run your casino, Ted.

Virtual Ted... the RONALD MCDONALD of the internet.

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[lanidar]

I called and talked to Danny on the 28th I believe. Could have been the 29th, but anyways, he told me
it would be in my neteller account by FRIDAY the 1st.
I called twice today and was told that it would be done later today.

Lest we forget what Danny Boy TOLD Thakid2u?

 

[Thakid2u]

4/1/2005 12:10:19 AM NETeller Deposit Approved! $50.00
4/1/2005 12:10:16 AM NETeller Deposit Requested $50.00
3/28/2005 2:45:25 PM NETeller Withdrawal Approved! ($55.00)
3/24/2005 11:01:04 PM NETeller Withdrawal Requested ($55.00)
1/29/2005 7:17:57 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $40.00
1/29/2005 7:17:47 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $40.00
1/25/2005 7:34:09 PM Promo Credit Deposit Approved! $200.00
1/25/2005 7:34:09 PM Promo Credit Deposit Requested $200.00
1/25/2005 4:30:21 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $20.00
1/25/2005 4:30:11 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $20.00
1/23/2005 10:05:13 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $30.00
1/23/2005 10:05:06 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $30.00
1/23/2005 9:02:35 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $40.00
1/23/2005 9:02:25 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $40.00
1/22/2005 10:02:01 PM Promo Credit Deposit Approved! $200.00
1/22/2005 10:02:00 PM Promo Credit Deposit Requested $200.00
1/22/2005 8:22:15 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $20.00
1/22/2005 8:22:08 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $20.00
1/20/2005 8:48:49 PM Signup Promo Chip Deposit Approved! $22.00
1/20/2005 8:48:49 PM Signup Promo Chip Deposit Requested $22.00

So where are these 4 free chips I used in a row? That's what I would like to know....What rule have I broken since I restarted my account? Ted would you really like to go this route with me? I agree totally, if I in fact did redeem 4 free chips in a row, please show me this......If it's true, then dont pay me...RULES ARE RULES....But given the above, I dont see it!!!!!!

Above is the cashier log from YOUR casino. The gap between the deposits is due to playing at a Micro casino. I dont really care for the fact that you are calling me a RULE BREAKER!..... As far as contacting you...lol thats a damn joke. I asked to speak to a manager everytime that I talked to support, except when I talked to DANNY. I was told, manager isnt here, he is in a meeting. So how can I talk to you. I gave Virtual a couple of times to deal with this outside of the forums, but it was Virtuals Choice to.

YOUR MOVE TED

 

[Pinababy69]

Hey Thakid, did you win this $55 on the free $55 chip that Virtual was offering? If so, why isn't that showing in your records there? I'm on your side here, I think you made your share of deposits considering it's Virtual, it's just that I thought I read somewhere it was a free chip you managed to cash out on?

 

[slotchik]

4/1/2005 12:10:19 AM NETeller Deposit Approved! $50.00
4/1/2005 12:10:16 AM NETeller Deposit Requested $50.00
3/28/2005 2:45:25 PM NETeller Withdrawal Approved! ($55.00)
3/24/2005 11:01:04 PM NETeller Withdrawal Requested ($55.00)
1/29/2005 7:17:57 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $40.00
1/29/2005 7:17:47 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $40.00
1/25/2005 7:34:09 PM Promo Credit Deposit Approved! $200.00
1/25/2005 7:34:09 PM Promo Credit Deposit Requested $200.00
1/25/2005 4:30:21 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $20.00
1/25/2005 4:30:11 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $20.00
1/23/2005 10:05:13 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $30.00
1/23/2005 10:05:06 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $30.00
1/23/2005 9:02:35 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $40.00
1/23/2005 9:02:25 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $40.00
1/22/2005 10:02:01 PM Promo Credit Deposit Approved! $200.00
1/22/2005 10:02:00 PM Promo Credit Deposit Requested $200.00
1/22/2005 8:22:15 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $20.00
1/22/2005 8:22:08 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $20.00
1/20/2005 8:48:49 PM Signup Promo Chip Deposit Approved! $22.00
1/20/2005 8:48:49 PM Signup Promo Chip Deposit Requested $22.00

So where are these 4 free chips I used in a row? That's what I would like to know....What rule have I broken since I restarted my account? Ted would you really like to go this route with me? I agree totally, if I in fact did redeem 4 free chips in a row, please show me this......If it's true, then dont pay me...RULES ARE RULES....But given the above, I dont see it!!!!!!

Above is the cashier log from YOUR casino. The gap between the deposits is due to playing at a Micro casino. I dont really care for the fact that you are calling me a RULE BREAKER!..... As far as contacting you...lol thats a damn joke. I asked to speak to a manager everytime that I talked to support, except when I talked to DANNY. I was told, manager isnt here, he is in a meeting. So how can I talk to you. I gave Virtual a couple of times to deal with this outside of the forums, but it was Virtuals Choice to.

YOUR MOVE TED

How did you get TWO 200.00 chips for free???

 

[universexf6]

　The best choise to avoid any conflict with Virtual is just forgetting
about them.

We should remind outselves there always tends to be smoke where
there is suspcious fire. And it is kind of a casino's responsilibity why
this thread is often filled with the hubbub about them. Sloven casino
is best to be avoided.

 

[uungy]

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[virtualted]

refresh your memory

thakid2u,
To refresh your memory, on Feb 1 we sent a mailer out with two free chip offers on it. One for 30.00 and another for 50 if you sent in a coment to the casino about the new down load. On feb 2 you redeemed "next50" for 50 dollars, and a few hours later redeemed next 30 for 30, with out making a deposit. Than lo and behold on feb 14 you redeemed a free chip "bemine" for 50 still with no deposit, than on march 24 you redeemed cleo55, with still no deposit. That would add up to 4 straight free chips without depositing. You were eligible for the first 50, but not the other 135 you cheated the casino out of.
Since you said we should not pay you, I think you should take the 55 we are sending you and give it to Bryan, for using up his bandwidth, and I thing that you should pay the 135 that you were not eligible for to the other forums where you also were wasting their time.

UNICORN 40
Since you are so informed, Please list the player or players that had a legitimate cash out not paid to the in the last year and half since I have been there. It would be a disgrace if you could not prove your aligations and would make you sound as ignorant as Lanidar, if you just make aligations and inuendo. Waiting for the players names.
Ted

 

[chuchu59]

The logs clearly show that 3 promo chips were received but wait,something is missing. Why doesnt the promo chip ie CLEO55 shown in the logs. I understand that this free chip is what the player is withdrawing now. Nevertheless,there seem to have been deposits slotted between the promos and unless they have not been played at all,the player should be entitled to winnings from the promo chips.

Ted,how on earth can a player get so many free chips,two of them $200. Baffling,given the size of the deposits.

 

[chuchu59]

thakid2u,
To refresh your memory, on Feb 1 we sent a mailer out with two free chip offers on it. One for 30.00 and another for 50 if you sent in a coment to the casino about the new down load. On feb 2 you redeemed "next50" for 50 dollars, and a few hours later redeemed next 30 for 30, with out making a deposit. Than lo and behold on feb 14 you redeemed a free chip "bemine" for 50 still with no deposit, than on march 24 you redeemed cleo55, with still no deposit. That would add up to 4 straight free chips without depositing. You were eligible for the first 50, but not the other 135 you cheated the casino out of.
Since you said we should not pay you, I think you should take the 55 we are sending you and give it to Bryan, for using up his bandwidth, and I thing that you should pay the 135 that you were not eligible for to the other forums where you also were wasting their time.

UNICORN 40
Since you are so informed, Please list the player or players that had a legitimate cash out not paid to the in the last year and half since I have been there. It would be a disgrace if you could not prove your aligations and would make you sound as ignorant as Lanidar, if you just make aligations and inuendo. Waiting for the players names.
Ted

Ted,

Its okay if what you are saying is true but why didnt the logs show it? Or am I missing something.

 

[grabherp]

cashier

Ted, is it so difficult for the IT specialists to add a few lines in the code which makes sure that another free chip can only be redeemed if in the meantime a deposit was made? Shouldnt be that big deal. Would safe you and also the gamblers a lot of trouble. and also your free chips should appear in the logfile, else its quite useless!

My 2 cents
grabherp

 

[unicorn40]

Oh Ted...

It would be a disgrace if you could not prove your aligations and would make you sound as ignorant as Lanidar, if you just make aligations and inuendo. Waiting for the players names.

Why would I post anyones name on here?

That's what some 'casino managers' are famous for doing.

As far as 'allegations' are concerned... I would think anyone that has read the popular gambling forums can decide for themselves if the numerous complaints of 'non payment' issues with Virtual are valid or not.

Granted, the complaints are fewer than they were since 'you' became the 'Virtual mouthpiece', but I refuse to buy that 'ALL' of them were fraudulent or the player was at fault, as you constantly claim.

The poor reputation that Virtual has deservedly attained over the last 3-4 years will take a lot longer to undue than the time since you have been involved.

And your critical and mocking comments aimed at certain individuals won't enhance or improve that reputation either, IMO.

I seriously doubt that berating and sarcastic comments towards people that are critical of your casino will help improve the image of Virtual in a positive way.

 

[slotchik]

Uni,
I doubt he wants you to post names, but send him the USERID of a player that needs things straightened out..I'm sure he'll look into it. Otherwise, it's unfair to make allegations without the backing up. If you know someone that has been slighted, tell us here ( not his name ) and then tell the player to PAB or post his story....

As far as writing a code to prevent free chips...it can be done and SHOULD if a player shouldnt use it. If not, then in the verbage for the chip, ( when you redeem ) it should say. If a deposit hasnt been made since your last chip, no winnings can be derived from it....or something to that effect.

Also, when someone wins a 200.00 chip in a forum, Ted, YOU should be the one to say only ONE free chip can be won from any contest in the course of a year. If he won that 200.00 chip because he bid on it, then he shouldnt of been able to win again, regardless of he is friends with the forum owner ( which is even MORE a reason not to apply that chip!! )

 

[bAdSmoker]

Are you kiddin?

This guy runs a casino?

I'm glad i dont play RTG.

 

[lanidar]

'Virtual Pays Rulebreakers' was how Ted titled this thread...

Well, that's nice to know.

Legitimate players get stiffed... but 'rulebreakers' get paid.

Sure seems like a great way to run your casino, Ted.

Virtual Ted... the RONALD MCDONALD of the internet.

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Is that Teddy Boy and Danny Boy doing the NUMA NUMA?

www.big-boys.com/articles/numanuma.html​

 

[Thakid2u]

I m lost about 2 $200 free chips, The 2 $200 entries were deposit matches.
Ted if indeed what you say is true, then once again why is it that some RTG's including yours would let players redeem more than one coupon? Is this the casinos way of trying to have a "back door" out of paying future winnings? Like someone stated, what's so hard about adding that feature? I would think that would prevent alot of hassle, but that's me and I dont run a casino.

If this is indeed the problem, then why would I be able to make a deposit? You dont seem to have this problem when I deposit!!!! Why would 3 of your support people not catch this? Why would DANNY not say anything about this the 2 times I talked to him?

In regards to the $55, go ahead and keep it. Like I said from the get go, it's not about the money. If I indeed did BREAK THE RULES, fine then it's my mistake and I am man enough to admit that. My wife and I use this computer so, that very well could be. Without having anything in the cashier log, it would be hard to know. If you feel it necessary to give this money to Bryan as being a waste...lol then go ahead, but make sure you help him go after the others that "so called" waste his space. If you think you have that much power...lol

I havent resorted to name calling, so why would you still insist on calling me a cheater? Would it make you feel better if I came down to your level and called you an asshole? I am above that sorry!!!! This just shows the level that you put yourself on and the casino. If you think I should "pay" back money that I wasnt entitled to, go ahead and make your move!!! You can go ahead and close my account, which by the way should have been done when I apparently used to many free chips, But you wouldnt do that until something like this happens.... What would happen if I just kept depositing? Would I be intitled to my deposits back, because your casino failed to follow your own rules and not enforce the rules? No wait your in the market of making money.

Like I said and I will say it again, if in fact I did use to many free chips, then I broke the rules and should not be paid. If that's the case then maybe I should be entitled to any deposits made after I "Broke the rules". Im not asking for this, but just a point on how shady this rule of yours and many others is.....

 

[winbig]

My wife and I use this computer so, that very well could be.

In this whole time you haven't asked her whether she's opened an acount at this casino? If she has, that's definately breaking the T&C right there

 

[universexf6]

So you guys really think hard if it is worth playing there. I am sorry
I am tired of reading all the details since even though I read it I don't
fathom the meaning due to ALWAYS COMPLICATED Virtual promotion stuff
and in addition to that they ( the casino ) has no willing or capability to
set a system which simply bar the restricted players from redeeming the promotion and later on the casino will balme you even though their system is too poor. Welll...think about just leaving the casino.

 

[Thakid2u]

WinBig, umm lol...she hasnt opened an account, we only have 1 account. Yes I asked her about any chips, and she says no....

I am leaving it all at where it stands. Ted brought up a point that I cant disprove as it could have happened, but not sure!!!!! The other points that I made about this casino and many other RTGS still stand. Univ gets the point made and Im sure alot of others will.

If Bryan thinks this is a waste of space then let him be the judge of that Ted. I havent heard one way or another, I didnt come her asking for help, I can handle my own stuff, but this place reaches more people than any other place, so this is the perfect place to point out Problems.....If not, then tell everyone and myself where we can "waste space"....

 

[daera]

Diisabling the use of a chip doesn't keep people from redeeming them. That's why so many people had so many multiple accounts to begin with.

I don't understand why everyone doesn't know that their is always terms and conditions with any free chip or bonus. Always. And anyone that has gambled online for more than a few times knows there are terms.

Maybe I'm the only one that does this.. but if I get a free chip or bonus and have any ideas of cashing out if I win............ I first read the terms carefully that apply. Usually found on the casino's web site unless therer are special terms attached to a special promotion.

I found this on their site though:

THE RULES FOR THE FREE MONEY/CHIP:

Redemption of free chip is only entitled to one account per person, per household or per computer. Customers with multiple accounts who are redeeming just free chips or coupons could be grounds for locking all accounts and all transactions on winnings will be forfeited.

A customer may only claim winnings on one free chip without making any new deposits. Usage of multiple free chips without any deposit at any point in the account would forfeit all transactions or winnings incurred from that free chip. In order to cash out on the free chip there has to be at least one deposit made in between 2 consecutive free chips redeemed.

Each free chip promo offered may have different restrictions depending on the promotion sent by the casino and/or its affiliates. Please read the restriction on the free chip before using it. Improper use of the free chip may result in forfeiture of winnings.

Free chips cannot be used to play the progressive games; usage of the free chip in progressive games would nullify all winnings and transactions.

Management reserves the right to void or cancel a free chip at any time with out prior notice.

Management reserves the right to lock or close any account abusing the free chip promotions offered by the casino

A customer will be entitled to all winnings on a free chip, if he/she deposits at least $20 at the same time they redeem the free chip, otherwise he/she will be entitled to amount of the free chip itself.

If your free chip is equal or higher than the deposit you make, the 10 times rules applies. To cash out winnings, you must provide a picture ID with your address on it. This stops promo abuse .

Any free chip of $100 or more can only be cashed out for the amount of the free chip, regardless of an accompanying deposit.

Any winnings generated from a free chip, will only be paid by Neteller, or other e-wallet ac

If a player wishes to reverse the winnings from a Free Chip to a Cash deposit the player can take No Bonus and maximum payout is 10 (ten) times the amount of the chip.

 

[Thakid2u]

Disabling a chip if already used would stop some problems, yes there are gonna be people that just keep creating accounts to redeem the coupon again. There will always be those people.

In regards to T/Cs I read them too, and half the time contact support either via phone or live support. According to my cashier log, my last transaction was a deposit. No bonus or anything. If this would have shown that I did infact use coupons then of course things would be different. Also if support would have mentioned this from the get go.

3/28/2005 2:45:25 PM NETeller Withdrawal Approved! ($55.00)
3/24/2005 11:01:04 PM NETeller Withdrawal Requested ($55.00)
1/29/2005 7:17:57 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $40.00
1/29/2005 7:17:47 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $40.00

I didnt really see the point in this comment...
"If he won that 200.00 chip because he bid on it, then he shouldnt of been able to win again, regardless of he is friends with the forum owner ( which is even MORE a reason not to apply that chip!! )"
but then again, Im not to sure how the whole $200 chip thing got started. It was a MATCH. The forum had nothing to do with it. I didnt ask anyone for help, if she did it was on her own act. That is what she does for all. She is the go between for Virtual and the players. Just because you are friends with someone at a board, should you be disqualified from everything? If so, a hell of alot of the people wouldnt get anything as they are friends with the admins and mods. I.E. anyone that is considered friends with Daera (which is alot) then they wouldnt be able to get anything from that board....(Sorry Daera, lol, but your a good example)


Like I said before...lol To me this is over unless it keeps going for some reason. Then I will continue to respond. I made some points and Ted made some points. I told Ted to keep his money or give it to whomever he feels like it. Not all my points were answered, but maybe in time. People can make their own choice on what to do.

 

[daera]

Just because you are friends with someone at a board, should you be disqualified from everything? If so, a hell of alot of the people wouldnt get anything as they are friends with the admins and mods. I.E. anyone that is considered friends with Daera (which is alot) then they wouldnt be able to get anything from that board....(Sorry Daera, lol, but your a good example)

I'm not the one that made the comment about the $200 chip or anything about your friendships.

The only reason I posted the terms was because they are clear and simple about free chips. And I didn't understand why you posted this:

Like I said and I will say it again, if in fact I did use to many free chips, then I broke the rules and should not be paid. If that's the case then maybe I should be entitled to any deposits made after I "Broke the rules". Im not asking for this, but just a point on how shady this rule of yours and many others is.....

You thought maybe those terms implied that claiming multiple free chips without a purchase in between, meant that the next purchase you did make if you lost you should get it back?

That's all I posted. The "friends" remark I didn't understand either. People tend to use that word "friends" rather loosely. All these people are more like "online aquaintances" that we all meet in these forums we post in, and interact in. I wouldn't say it makes them all "freinds" .. unfortunately.

Also, the rule itself is not shady or even uncommon amongst online casinos and their bonus rules. Most online casinos do not like and will not continue allowing players to receive multple free bonuses without purchases in between. Some do but have other rules. iNetBet only allows a maximum of $25 a month free from forums and they don't give out free chips left and right. The MGS group that sponsors many of the ezboards has a strict rule that does not allow a free bonus to be credited if the last transaction in the account was a bonus.

It's really not shady. What I don't like......... is that so many people complain and make so much noise over free money. I think it's great to get something free. But it's the griping and complaining over free money, when things don't go perfectly that make it so a lot of casinos don't even want to mess with this stuff... free chips, forums, etc. It gets them a lot of headaches and we lose a lot of nice promotions in the end.

 

[virtualted]

More points

Thakid2u,
As far as the 200promo is concerned, that was a promo associated with a deposit that was approved and valid. I am sorry for dropping to your level inferring that you are a cheater. That was in response to you calling us crap. If you remember this thread was because you did not get paid on the day you, you were told you were. I do apologize for that, we were wrong there. You spoke to Danny, and asked when your payment would be sent, since you said everything was approved. Accounting which has the final say on if and when the money leaves the building reviewed the account and detected that the DTS had not been received. They delayed the payment till the form is sent in. Danny had no idea that you had not sent it in. In any organization there are steps to the chain of command, and when it comes to the players Credit Card information, not all links on the chain have that information.

Unicorn,
As Slotchick said I did not want names I wanted the Ids so I could look into their accounts. I have never said that we were never at fault and all the players who had complaints were wrong. In my opinion if someone has a complaint whether valid or not than the casino is wrong, because they did not make something apparent earlier to the player. The one thing I am not, as the Mouthpiece for the casino is someone who says do as I say and not as I do like you are. I show you a quote you just made about me, may be you should reread it and follow your own advice. I seriously doubt that berating and sarcastic comments towards people that are critical of your casino will help improve the image of Virtual in a positive way. Inter change people and casino, than look at yourself in a mirror.

 

[Thakid2u]

lol What's this about...
"I am sorry for dropping to your level inferring that you are a cheater. That was in response to you calling us crap."

Are you to referring to this comment I made...

"So may this be a warning to you all....I guess decide what you want to do...But, I WOULD PUT THIS PLACE ON THE CRAP LIST...."
If so, how professional is that, as you are on a higher level than me (in your own mind), being a owner/manager at a casino.

My level...lol just for your info...I am a first yr resident in the emergency room at one of our local hospitals. In ley terms a Dr. Your attempts at still belittling me are poor and uncalled for in my opinion. If you wish to play that game of name calling and such, why dont you give me a call and NOT WASTE Bryans space, as you would say.

"I am sorry for dropping to your level inferring that you are a cheater."
"I show you a quote you just made about me, may be you should reread it and follow your own advice. I seriously doubt that berating and sarcastic comments towards people that are critical of your casino will help improve the image of Virtual in a positive way. Inter change people and casino, than look at yourself in a mirror."

hmm

 

[555YY]

i don't want to step on any toes but i would like to state that i never had any serious probs when i played at virtual, even though i prolly won't play there anymore since they labeled me as "skilled" and decreased my wager window to 10-100. thanks for ratting me out ted

i have made serveral 4 digit cashins from virtual while using a bonus and i was paid in full every time, sure it took em a coupla weeks and sometimes i need to drop a 'gentle' reminder to the csr, but they always stuck to their words and paid. unlike the recent actions from a supposedly 'reputable' group

the one thing about virtual is that they have many confusing t&c and a lot of players don't read thru or take the time to understand them fully. i personally made sure i read and re-read the t&c each time before i played and doubled-checked to make sure i have complied with each and every item before requesting a cashin. of course this is as much of a fault of the casino as it is of players

i only took one free chip in my lifetime i think to test out the rtg slots, i think the reason why free chips cause the most headaches for the casinos is that THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO UPSIDE from them in casino's perspective. they don't get any financial gains in return if you lose a free chip as opposed to a deposit bonus. that's why they have so many rules and stipulations attached to them. i personally find them a bother and wish the casinos would just do away from them and concentrate on simplifying the terms on their deposit bonuses

 

[Thakid2u]

I understand T/Cs just perfect. It's not my lack of not reading them or anything. Its my fault for having confidence in a place to help keep records to where a player/customer can access them up front. I.E. Having an activity log that doesnt show No deposit coupons used.

 

[120sam]

Since you are so informed, Please list the player or players that had a legitimate cash out not paid to the in the last year and half since I have been there.

I had a legitimate cash out and you messed me around terribly. If I hadn't started a thread on this forum you'd never have paid, and you still haven't answered any of the issues raised in my thread.

Sounds like it's business as usual ted. If you really like lists, get Pam to list how many people she's had to lie to about you being "out of the office" or "in a meeting" in the last year and a half. Or list the people you've given bonuses to in the hope they'd lose their deposits, and if they won refused to pay by referring to some "rule" that isn't printed anywhere.

All you need to know about the man who put the "ted" in "cheated" is here:


https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/virtual-casino-belong-on-rogues-list.7209/?t=7209

 

[Pinababy69]

Hey, are you guys sure that Virtual and Connectto are run by different people? I just found this at P4K, and it sure sounds familiar, a poster doing a complete turnaround all in the same day, really odd.

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I agree about not depositing here. I deposited there several times, and tried to cashout $60.00....no bonuses attached. It was my first time trying to cash out. I sent all the forms and copies, and they had one excuse after another. They didn`t even reply to me until 9 days after my withdrawal request!! I finally told them to keep the money. I will never play there again!!!

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I want to appologize for the above negative post about Virtual. I was foolishly unhappy at the time, and at the spur of the moment lost my self control. I would like to add, although I have not rec`d my payout yet, I spoke to a very nice person in accounting @Virtual that renewed my trust, and I am happy to say that I feel much better after talking with this most kind person, and feel that there is hope, and the reason for them not responding was due to certain circumstances, and that, because I am generally a trusting person, believe to be a good enough reason, that I am now driven to make this appology to you, my fellow board members, and to Virtual. Have a great evening, and happy gambling!!!



So I guess this is the new trend in online gaming? Offer to make good on past monies owing, with the stipulation that the poster must provide some glowing commentary on the site? Very bizarre.

 

[suzecat]

Hey Thakid, did you win this $55 on the free $55 chip that Virtual was offering? If so, why isn't that showing in your records there? I'm on your side here, I think you made your share of deposits considering it's Virtual, it's just that I thought I read somewhere it was a free chip you managed to cash out on?

The RTGs I have played have new cashier software which does not list the free chips redeemed (bonus coupons) in the account history. It just lists the actual cash deposits made by a player.

 

[Pinababy69]

Thanks Suzecat. See, I didn't know that. Just shows you how uninformed I am about RTG's. I just really don't play there myself, I am a Micro addict, lol.

 

[Thakid2u]

Suze,

I know, it was just a general point...Not entirely directed at Virtual, but RTG.

 

[slotchik]

Disabling a chip if already used would stop some problems, yes there are gonna be people that just keep creating accounts to redeem the coupon again. There will always be those people.

In regards to T/Cs I read them too, and half the time contact support either via phone or live support. According to my cashier log, my last transaction was a deposit. No bonus or anything. If this would have shown that I did infact use coupons then of course things would be different. Also if support would have mentioned this from the get go.

3/28/2005 2:45:25 PM NETeller Withdrawal Approved! ($55.00)
3/24/2005 11:01:04 PM NETeller Withdrawal Requested ($55.00)
1/29/2005 7:17:57 PM Credit Card Deposit Approved! $40.00
1/29/2005 7:17:47 PM Credit Card Deposit Requested $40.00

I didnt really see the point in this comment...
"If he won that 200.00 chip because he bid on it, then he shouldnt of been able to win again, regardless of he is friends with the forum owner ( which is even MORE a reason not to apply that chip!! )"
but then again, Im not to sure how the whole $200 chip thing got started. It was a MATCH. The forum had nothing to do with it. I didnt ask anyone for help, if she did it was on her own act. That is what she does for all. She is the go between for Virtual and the players. Just because you are friends with someone at a board, should you be disqualified from everything? If so, a hell of alot of the people wouldnt get anything as they are friends with the admins and mods. I.E. anyone that is considered friends with Daera (which is alot) then they wouldnt be able to get anything from that board....(Sorry Daera, lol, but your a good example)


Like I said before...lol To me this is over unless it keeps going for some reason. Then I will continue to respond. I made some points and Ted made some points. I told Ted to keep his money or give it to whomever he feels like it. Not all my points were answered, but maybe in time. People can make their own choice on what to do.

If it was a match~~ where is your 200.00 deposit??? Actually if they were matches, there should be TWO 200.00 deposits! I dont see them...are they not there??? Forgive me if I can't see them.

 

[Thakid2u]

They dont just offer 100% matches here. It may have been 500% or something. Trust me, it wasnt a free chip. lol I wish I could get a $200 dollar free chip.....

 

[virtualted]

missed apology

Thakid2u,
In my last post I was trying to apologize to you for infering names at you, it was wrong of me, and once again I say sorry for calling you names. It was only in response to your post about us being Crap. And you are right it was inmature of me to respond in that way. Sometimes the heat of a situation gets to me.
My apologies

Ted

 

[unicorn40]

Re:Ted's Apology

Hey Ted,

Did your boss Amit Jain make you post that?

Did you 'cut & paste' it?

 

[virtualted]

Actually Amit is out of the country and have not spoken to him. I am still waiting for your reason that you constantly follow these threads that Virtual is on. I have asked you to come up with your own FACTS not baseing it on hearsay, like your buddy does. Who are all of these players we have harmed? You keep saying things but have not shown anything worthwhile. At this point you are losing respect everytime you attack and do not make facts. You remind me of "Chicken little" running around telling everybody that casinos are out to cheat you, or that there is always an alternative motive to everything a casino does. So what is your motive?

 

[unicorn40]

Ted... CAUGHT!!

Here's Ted being apprehended after another 'unhappy' player found him...

 

[virtualted]

keep proving your point

Unicorn,
Keep proving my point, that you have nothing constructive to share on the industry or the forums. I will fight to my dieing day to defend your first amendments rights to free speech, but it does become monotonous at times.

 

[Thakid2u]

Ted,


I understand and apology excepted.

 

[lanidar]

virtualted:

Actually Amit is out of the country and have not spoken to him.

Amit is probably with Sting...

I am still waiting for your reason that you constantly follow these threads that Virtual is on. I have asked you to come up with your own FACTS not baseing it on hearsay, like your buddy does.

I guess Teddy Boy means me.
I can't answer for Uni... but as for myself...
I follow these threads to keep The Virtual Group and it's clones out there so players KNOW to STAY AWAY!!!​

 

[funeralparty]

The only thing this thread has proven so far:

Now that Cipher is gone, lanidar is the most arrogant poster on this board

IMO

 

[lanidar]

The only thing this thread has proven so far:

Now that Cipher is gone, lanidar is the most arrogant poster on this board

IMO

You are absolutely correct.
AND... I want you to know that it took a lot of work to be the way I am.
So, I humbly accept that as a compliment.
Thank You ... :notworthy ​

P.S. Funeralparty... here's the link to Insom. Come on over and we can REALLY have a go at it.
Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) ​

 

[largeeyes]

Why does VirtualTed even come here? He comes and gets the snot kicked out of him by people 99% of the time. Meanwhile, people we REALLY want to talk to like Casino Action, Integriy Group, Casino Rewards, etc. don't come anywhere near this forum. I give Ted or whatever his name is kudos for showing up and taking abuse all the time(I have yet to play with their casino, so I can't say anything in that regard). But I get the feeling more and more people here just look for a reason to bitch than anything else...........

 

[funeralparty]

Crap.........you REALLY want me to register over there, don't you John?

....maybe if you can talk Cipher into a free copy of his "award winning bj system"

 

[Thatchatch]

Hi all,

Funeral, I must agree with you about the acidic person whose posts look like pasted ransom notes. If he puts his feet in his mouth any more, hes liable to get oral athletes foot. Sounds stinky dont it? The king has bad breath

Daytimer and pen for him? Nah, scrapbook and crayons are more like it.

I went lurking into his dive after my push became his shove in a forum thread here (Meister locked it). I couldnt believe the filthy language. Perhaps a coincidence (doubtful), but after inspecting his dive and one of his lady fans kingdom, the one that promotes G-Fed on her front page I ended up with a Spyware, an Adware, a Trojan and a worm in my investigation. Good thing I wear a raincoat. Be aware.

Yet another thread derailing The Meister is either amused or hes going to be fed up soon

Either way, we are in his living room, his turf, I accept this and any decision he takes.

Btw, I have had in the past personal contacts with Bruce (Cipher), and he is a good person. You just have to speak person-to-person with him to know it. I consider him as a friend. His conflicts are his and mine are mine. His system is his and mine is mine. We all have some temper, at times. Im sure that Bryan is a good person too, but we never had direct contact.

Also, Funeral Cipher gives out his Cipher strand system for free. Check it out, if interested.

And Ted, I did go back to virtual for a few stints (small stuff, no bonus), because you committed yourself here, and I wasnt screwed around. N.B. This is not an endorsement of any sort.

Cest la vie,

Regards,

Thatch

 

[555YY]

i concur, cipher is a very good person at heart, even though at times his tone can come across as overly-aggressive

v-ted and virtual seem to be condemned with every little road bump that hits the board, yet i have not seen any major probs with virtual recently. seems everyone should be concentrating their critcisms on ICL and CR who are attempting to steal thousands of players' winnings

 

[The Dude]

...Yet another thread derailing The Meister is either amused or hes going to be fed up soon

Sometimes it takes me a few days to get to these threads, this has seriously derailed so further bashings are unwelcome.

Like it or not, VTed is a member of this board and has every right as anyone else here not to have the snot kicked out of hime every time he posts. I'm still not convinced that he's a member of the lowiest lowlife scumbucket casino group that some of you project. In most instances, casinos create their own problems with way too many bonus types or amounts - there will always be bonus issues with casinos like these. At least in this case, you have someone who is answerable to these problems and is able to work them out.

Open communication = solutions to player problems. Let's keep it that way.