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If new players don't know about it, how can they be affected by it? That's a complete non-argument; they should have joined sooner before it got taken away.

Yeah I'm well aware of bust/extinction rates based on house-edge - it's not rocket-science and I am most certainly not the average 'man in the street' when it comes to gambling, I can assure you of that. I can see things from many sides, thanks.

I don't see how, in the current climate, you can take such great offense to a business discontinuing something that stands to cost them money, if that's what has actually happened. Would you rather they laid a couple of people off so they can continue giving money away? Have you been impacted yourself by this, or are you simply trying to whip up a storm and get offended on behalf of your Youtube viewership? I suppose there might be a crusade in this somewhere but you just haven't quite got enough hooks yet, and there's only enough material for a poxy 5 minute video as things stand... I don't think this angle of outrage has got enough legs to be honest - removing a 99% RTP slot is hardly a scandal is it?

Maybe something will turn up next week ? I hope it's not 3Dice ?
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The funny thing about this thread is some of members who is doing "let's bash VS" are not even the customer of VS at present, and customers of VS writes to defend VS, it tells everything. VS lowered rtp a few years ago but their customer numbers are growing ever.

VS promotions are far better than any other casinos to low rollers like me, sure other casinos have a promotion here and there, but nothing will match up VS. I'm not saying VS is the best for everyone, all I'm saying is it is best for some people.

VS marketing tactic is obviously low rtp for some slots, more promotion, and I don't see why it is a bad thing to have a variety on the market. In the end as a customer we can choose where to play.

I'm pretty sure VS has to get rid of some of their promotion if they put up rtp, and if you ask any VS customer to choose between 96% rtp for Reactoonz and Mystery Friday, most players will choose Mystery Friday, especially when the players can go to play at another casino when they are craving for the winking pink.
 
The funny thing about this thread is some of members who is doing "let's bash VS" are not even the customer of VS at present, and customers of VS writes to defend VS, it tells everything. VS lowered rtp a few years ago but their customer numbers are growing ever.

VS promotions are far better than any other casinos to low rollers like me, sure other casinos have a promotion here and there, but nothing will match up VS. I'm not saying VS is the best for everyone, all I'm saying is it is best for some people.

VS marketing tactic is obviously low rtp for some slots, more promotion, and I don't see why it is a bad thing to have a variety on the market. In the end as a customer we can choose where to play.

I'm pretty sure VS has to get rid of some of their promotion if they put up rtp, and if you ask any VS customer to choose between 96% rtp for Reactoonz and Mystery Friday, most players will choose Mystery Friday, especially when the players can go to play at another casino when they are craving for the winking pink.
I may still be a mug punter but I think that I am a wise mug punter in still putting most of my play in vidioslots. Checks and balances
 
I think it boils down to the fact that if you’re a low roller on a limited budget, VS is great. The various promotions can enhance your play time even when your gambling budget is toast. That is a big draw.

For bigger depositors, VS isn’t so great and it’s understandable these people would look elsewhere. Some 10 and 20p spin rewards are not going to cut it in terms of retention and the reduced RTP will be more prominent/noticeable.

Horses for courses.
 
If new players don't know about it, how can they be affected by it? That's a complete non-argument; they should have joined sooner before it got taken away.

Yeah I'm well aware of bust/extinction rates based on house-edge - it's not rocket-science and I am most certainly not the average 'man in the street' when it comes to gambling, I can assure you of that. I can see things from many sides, thanks.

I don't see how, in the current climate, you can take such great offense to a business discontinuing something that stands to cost them money, if that's what has actually happened. Would you rather they laid a couple of people off so they can continue giving money away? Have you been impacted yourself by this, or are you simply trying to whip up a storm and get offended on behalf of your Youtube viewership? I suppose there might be a crusade in this somewhere but you just haven't quite got enough hooks yet, and there's only enough material for a poxy 5 minute video as things stand... I don't think this angle of outrage has got enough legs to be honest - removing a 99% RTP slot is hardly a scandal is it?

Maybe something will turn up next week ? I hope it's not 3Dice ?

Always a good sign that someone's safely on the moral high ground when they make things personal ;)

I refuse to believe that any amount of perks and comps make up overall for the gouging VS have done on RTP, otherwise, why do it it at all?

If folks are happy that VS took the steak off the plate and replaced it with a few mouldy sausages, that's up to them I suppose :)
 
I think it boils down to the fact that if you’re a low roller on a limited budget, VS is great. The various promotions can enhance your play time even when your gambling budget is toast. That is a big draw.

For bigger depositors, VS isn’t so great and it’s understandable these people would look elsewhere. Some 10 and 20p spin rewards are not going to cut it in terms of retention and the reduced RTP will be more prominent/noticeable.

Horses for courses.

The thing is MrSlot I don't even think this is true. I'm not saying that a few perks and cashbacks aren't nice, but are they really going to make up for a reduction in RTP?

(When I stopped playing at VS they'd already nerfed the wheels, which could award as little as 1 free spin. I managed to get a few quid here and there from the Clash of Spins and suchlike, but nothing that would even come close to repairing the damage done by the reduction in RTPs, if I'd have carried on playing.)

Here's a simple quick example, note how a 2% reduction in RTP leads to expected average playtime changing from 2500 spins to 1666 spins, that's a huge reduction. (And we know there are starker examples than that, where VS are running on 93% or even 92% maths models. I'll leave the 50% scratchcard out of this debate.....)

Here's a £20 deposit on a 96% slot played at 20p spins.

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And here's a £20 deposit on a 94% slot played at 20p spins.

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Stretch that out a little bit to 97% and 92% (examples of which do exist, where VS have a 92% maths model of game running).

Your average spins before bust out reduce from 3333 to 1250.

97% RTP slot.

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92% RTP slot.

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And one last example, Mystery Reels Megaways, 98.06% at casinos who are running the top RTP, 93.09% at VS.

So on this slot, on average, Videoslots will reduce your playtime from 5154 spins to 1447 spins on a £20 deposit played on 20p spins, so yeah, sure they'll throw you a bone in the form of a few free spins......

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And here at Videoslots who are running it at 93.09%

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The thing is MrSlot I don't even think this is true. I'm not saying that a few perks and cashbacks aren't nice, but are they really going to make up for a reduction in RTP?
This is not really correct statement, since not every slots on VS has reduced RTP. There are plenty of slots on VS has RTP of 95% or more.
If your question is those free cash are really making up for the reduced rtp, the answer will be different based on the customer's play style.

If you are talking about the player who is in love with red tiger game, the answer is NO, but if you are talking about the player who chase up letter "D" on bonanza and play DOA sometimes, the answer is absolutely YES.

One more thing, VS reward system got better after you left VS, there is no more 1 free spin on the wheel, and they added more great promotions, Monday Frenzy, Tuesday Madness, Thursday SNG night, Mystery Friday, Weekend Booster all this things happen every week, and of course one SNG weekends per month.
 
Always a good sign that someone's safely on the moral high ground when they make things personal ;)

I refuse to believe that any amount of perks and comps make up overall for the gouging VS have done on RTP, otherwise, why do it it at all?

If folks are happy that VS took the steak off the plate and replaced it with a few mouldy sausages, that's up to them I suppose :)
I really don't understand what your problem is. You seem so desperate to sensationalise this topic and present it in the most dramatic way possible that your view is becoming blinkered.

You're acting like VS is the only online casino to drop the RTP% on slots, and this is not the case and it's growing all the time. There are still plenty of slots that offer a very attractive RTP% and people can play these games and still enjoy all the promotions. You're not forced to play slots with a slightly lowered RTP% if you don't want to you know.

Most people just find a new site they like, or carry on and accept their money will not last as long. Or something in between. You left VS ages ago and now appear to have some sort of vendetta.
 
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It's almost like an new icon should be made, in the form of a some sort of pale yellow thick-skinned oval citrus fruit, the juice of which is fragrant, yet acidic...

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I would like to see someone running both a high and low rtp version of the same slot side by side with 100x starting balance see which one fares better. I’ve not stopped playing pimped at VS since they reduced the rtp and for the life of me I can’t see any difference.
 
Some very good points being made over the past few pages of this thread, and some dull old bashing from the usual suspects. Some of the bashing is frankly laughable now.

The fact is that VS and their promotions are not for high rollers. For lower rollers it ticks a LOT of boxes - the constant promos are great and from a business POV keep players on the site for a lot longer.

RTP wise, yeah, I was a bit put out when they were dropped on some games, but personally I've seen very little difference in play time. I've got an obvious soft spot for Jack Hammer - pre-drop, it played like a pig. Post drop, it plays like a slightly different pig, but just as much play time.

I've tried elsewhere - I lose my money pretty quickly and that's that.

I play on VS - I lose my money in the same amount of time, but I have extra stuff to entertain me until I can deposit again. And sometimes I finish top in Tuesday Madness and win a grand.
 
Only gripe I have is PLEASE revert to the original Blue and more so RED wheels

These recent changes are not nice, no low roller who finally earns their red wheel want a round 2 JP chase ticket, more so the 75 FS I got earlier in that Red Tiger abomination, uuurgghh!

Least the original ones were fair and I am sure these obvious changes and the way the wheels now work are only saving 'pennies'

Never seen the Jackpot's so high either so they've obviously been slowed down or stopped also ;)

Other than that no qualms whatsoever @Team.Videoslots :thumbsup:
 
This man knows ?
If you're an online casino laying out what VS do in promotions such as -
  • Weekend Booster
  • Monthly weekend slot battles with extra 5 x €250 prize draw
  • Clash of Spins
  • Jackpot Wheels / Trophies
  • Frenzy Mondays
  • Tuesday Madness
  • Epic Thursdays
  • Mystery Fridays
  • Saturday Madness
  • €30k Monthly Grand Freeroll Battle
  • XP level Bronze/Silver/Gold/Diamond wheels
then you might not see running a slot on 99% RTP as being cost-effective in this current hostile market. I mean, I'm just throwing it out there. You can't have high RTP's and loads of free shit every week, so a compromise has to be reached somewhere. I'd rather have promotions and stuff to look forward to - that's what makes VS different.

There's also every chance the slot could be abused somehow with bonus funds or there's a major problem with it of some sort, and that's why it's been pulled. Oh no! I'll have to play one of the other thousands of slots instead - some of which still return over 97% RTP if you look hard enough. The absolute fucking state of people in this thread sometimes when something happens they don't like. The usual suspects too. Turn it in for fuck's sake...
Weekend booster? 05% its a joke
 
mmm, the smell of lemons. Walking back from the arcade when a lad and ordering a box of chicken wings n chips at iraqi europa chicken or whatever fancy name the place was called, only now I realize why i was returning to buy that box of grease. It was all about the little lemon hand sanitizer packet that come with it.
Before scrubbing off the green stain off ma hands from the amount of coins I'd touched during the day at the arcade, I put 5 times more effort getting every single scent out of that thing than even the next door neighbours washing line underwear collection I had stashed and drained over the years. Imagine my delight when they accidentally slipped in two!
 
The thing is MrSlot I don't even think this is true. I'm not saying that a few perks and cashbacks aren't nice, but are they really going to make up for a reduction in RTP?

(When I stopped playing at VS they'd already nerfed the wheels, which could award as little as 1 free spin. I managed to get a few quid here and there from the Clash of Spins and suchlike, but nothing that would even come close to repairing the damage done by the reduction in RTPs, if I'd have carried on playing.)

Here's a simple quick example, note how a 2% reduction in RTP leads to expected average playtime changing from 2500 spins to 1666 spins, that's a huge reduction. (And we know there are starker examples than that, where VS are running on 93% or even 92% maths models. I'll leave the 50% scratchcard out of this debate.....)

Here's a £20 deposit on a 96% slot played at 20p spins.

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And here's a £20 deposit on a 94% slot played at 20p spins.

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Stretch that out a little bit to 97% and 92% (examples of which do exist, where VS have a 92% maths model of game running).

Your average spins before bust out reduce from 3333 to 1250.

97% RTP slot.

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92% RTP slot.

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And one last example, Mystery Reels Megaways, 98.06% at casinos who are running the top RTP, 93.09% at VS.

So on this slot, on average, Videoslots will reduce your playtime from 5154 spins to 1447 spins on a £20 deposit played on 20p spins, so yeah, sure they'll throw you a bone in the form of a few free spins......

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And here at Videoslots who are running it at 93.09%

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I get what you are saying about RTP and long term the lower RTP the more a casino makes.

But personally as a low roller i find the RTP makes no difference in my playtime. If i play a 97% slot i can burn through deposits in no time with no wins at all hardly. And i can play a 92%slot and play for hours making a good withdrawal.

Actually played a slot today a new one. RTP is only 94.65% so sort of slot you would never play.

Anyway played it for ages. Base game actually played better for me than any 96% slot ever has.

Even free spins paid this nice little win on a 20p stake.


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I have to post this but I need to ask if anyone else gets this same issue as me?

Basically about every month or every 2 months, my withdraw method gets removed and it does not let me withdraw to any method. I always use paypal. So every time I have to goto live chat and ask them to put it back to paypal and because they are now all working from home mostly then it can take upto an hour or longer for them to put it back to paypal for me!

So does this happen to anyone else? This is just totally frustrating and just not good what so ever. To me it is like they are doing it on purpose!

EDIT: What more is they now are mostly working from home. So they only use ticket systems to contact other departments! So it means those ticket systems are basically queued so you have to wait your turn, and that can take a long time. In the past it used to be done there and then in live chat while you was speaking to them. What is going wrong with VS now? Is this really the start of VS going further and further downhill? I mean lower RTP's then removing slots that have higher RTP's just because they feel it was too high RTP for their liking and then this long delay in dealing and fixing issues!

Will they also start to slow down withdraw times too? Remove battles? Remove the wheels? What next? I am seriously questioning now if I should even continue to keep playing at VS this is just a joke. Pokerstars gets a lot more of my deposits now anyway. so I might just switch to pokerstars! Then have party casino as my back up site. As for the battle weekends. Oh well I will miss them but I do not do that good with them really anyway and they always pick bad slots most of the time anyway. Rant over............
 
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As much as I can be critical of Videoslots, the withdrawal process is pretty much automated so see no reason why they would slow down, if anything they have got quicker over the past couple of years, think they went from running the payments script every 30 minutes to every 5 or something.
I don't understand why you think they will remove the rewards because their payment system is a bit buggy for you? As for working from home, there are a lot of companies doing that all over the world, and it has affected service levels. I have to speak to the DWP on pretty much a daily basis, and things are taking 3-4 times longer to resolve now than they were 18 months ago. I don't think an hour is too bad, I've waited that long for chat agents on some casinos! I wish the DWP would get back to me within an hour when I have a query lol.
 
As much as I can be critical of Videoslots, the withdrawal process is pretty much automated so see no reason why they would slow down, if anything they have got quicker over the past couple of years, think they went from running the payments script every 30 minutes to every 5 or something.
I don't understand why you think they will remove the rewards because their payment system is a bit buggy for you? As for working from home, there are a lot of companies doing that all over the world, and it has affected service levels. I have to speak to the DWP on pretty much a daily basis, and things are taking 3-4 times longer to resolve now than they were 18 months ago. I don't think an hour is too bad, I've waited that long for chat agents on some casinos! I wish the DWP would get back to me within an hour when I have a query lol.

But they have now said it can take upto 48 hours to update the withdraw method. This is not how it used to be! This is clearly a new tactic VS is using to stop people from withdrawing. THIS IS A DISGRACE!

It has now been 2 hours and it is still not back to Paypal. The only method it allows is Bank.......... All other methods it says the same error message!
 
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