Poker Complaint Unusual suck out patterns

roykeen

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the name is five card suckout

I believe that most of the sites use the same or very similar software because it seems that bubble suckouts will happen everywhere. I suspected shills of some form were being used and have altered my play accordingly. I have folded good cards many times before the flop when my gut told me I was being set up only to see a 7-3 off suit make a straight. This on PS, FT, PP and 888.
 
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bpb

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I believe that most of the sites use the same or very similar software because it seems that bubble suckouts will happen everywhere. I suspected shills of some form were being used and have altered my play accordingly. I have folded good cards many times before the flop when my gut told me I was being set up only to see a 7-3 off suit make a straight. This on PS, FT, PP and 888.
Can't argue with such sound logic.
 

Nobunaga

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Pokerstars and other sites issues.

Hello all.I've been noticing a lot of suck outs on Pokerstars lately too.Part of it could be my play, part of it is that the software is being improved upon by Pokerstars, part of it is very loose players playing junk.

Pokerstars have since gone with the "stars" to promote those who play on the site more, who qualify enough frequent player points from tournaments and cash games, that could be shills and given pat hands more often, than a bronze star <new> player.

Pokerstars have added the concept of "Booming" your hands, to reply those bad beats and big wins on another website.

With the purchase of Full Tilt Poker, as well as Pokerstars tweaking their program over the years, I think it's time for MaxD and Bryan to PAB Pokerstars and see what's up with their current software and have it checked over by a mathematician, who understands how poker games work, and see if the hands, player's play, player's status, does come into play and that cheating is happening, either by players who are working with Pokerstars, or who are independent from Pokerstars.

Full Tilt Poker had crooks involved in their website, same with Absolute Poker and Ultimate Bet.

It's time that us Pokerstars players who feel that we are playing well enough to deserve better results, that the mathematics of the software is flawed, pony up the money for the PAB and experts needed to look into it.

Some people are gambling on the odds of the poker table, that they have the winning hand that can result from the hand being dealt <there has to be a winning hand or a split pot hand involved>.

It's time to compare what makes one websites poker game as rogue and what makes Pokerstars still legit.

Nobunaga
 

Nifty29

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I believe that most of the sites use the same or very similar software because it seems that bubble suckouts will happen everywhere. I suspected shills of some form were being used and have altered my play accordingly. I have folded good cards many times before the flop when my gut told me I was being set up only to see a 7-3 off suit make a straight. This on PS, FT, PP and 888.
And yet you continue to play......
 

bpb

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Do people realize that every hand history of every hand ever dealt on the site is available ... that thousands of people use said data every day in order to get an edge on their opposition ... yet nobody has produced a single shred of evidence that the deal on Pokerstars is anything but random.

Conspiracy theories are more fun though, I guess.
 

Nobunaga

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Pokerstars and other sites issues.

BPB.People from Canada, EU and non-EU European countries are looking into a class action lawsuit against Pokerstars.Their software, frequent player points, have changed so much since the Americans were banned from playing for money, that this movement is gaining strength.

Being Chrome star myself, I've had my share of really bad beats, 1 and 2 out hits, and I can only blame so much of it on my play for making a wrong call.

I think it's time that Max D and Bryan review Pokerstars again for accredited status, due to the fact that the software keeps getting changed and their purchase of a rogue company in Full Tilt Poker.

It would be nice for Max D and Bryan, to walk me through a properly done PAB, the financial cost to do one, and get whatever documents needed to review Pokerstars practices towards its customer base.

Customer service could be great on Pokerstars, but a rogue software developer could be the issue.Many pros have quit Pokerstars to gamble on physical tables at the casino, and for physical tournaments to avoid those electronic bad beats.

The dealers are expected in a physical casino to not stack the deck to help a good customer or known pro.Slight of hand actions still happen in the casinos world wide.

Nobunaga
 

bpb

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Being Chrome star myself, I've had my share of really bad beats, 1 and 2 out hits, and I can only blame so much of it on my play for making a wrong call.
You should probably blame it on your lack of understanding of basic probability.
 

Mozaik

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In my opinion the concerns by many online poker players are legit. I've played at many pokersites in the past, including: PokerStars, Full Tilt Poker and Party Poker. On all pokersites I ran significant amount of money under EV on a big sample size. I've witness all sickening patterns players be mentioning. Eventually I've pretty much stopped playing online poker a couple years ago.

If you look at the player reviews at a site such like pokerscout.com/AllReviews.aspx?id=1, you will see that most of these sites are rated very poorly by players and basically serve as a rake generating machine. If you read through the experiences you will notice they ain't the product of just sole losers, but also people who actually are very concerned about the state of online poker. All I have to do to prevent me from playing is read their experiences to know things have not changed at all.

My advice: Stick to live poker where u know u get the real deal
 
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Roller_Jamie

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One of the odd situations in poker is that the better you play, the more bad beats you will suffer. If you are being selective with your hands and generally only getting into big all in spots with the best hand you will either win as expected, or take a beat when the wrong card pops up on the turn/river.

Obviously it is still painful when this happens in a particularly big pot or at a crucial stage in a tournament, but in the long run you want to keep putting yourself in positions where bad beats can happen. As long as you're playing within your means of course and are unlikely to go broke!

If the sites were really rigged towards the poor hands then you could just switch your strategy and start getting it in bad all the time. I wouldn't fancy trialling that theory for too long though. :)
 

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oh, please guys. this -rig- discussion is already going on since the start of online poker.
please read about this at the bigger pokerforums, and don´t come here with silly statements about your bad beats blablabla and then casinomeister has to review the accredited status of i.e. Pokerstars.
 

KasinoKing

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oh sorry. discussion is from long time ago :D
don´t answer! just let it go ;)
Two little hints for you (one you already know!)

1. ALWAYS check the date of the thread if you find it by doing a Google search, or whatever.

2. If you do make a mistake, it's preferable to edit your original post, rather than make a new one.
Posts can be edited for something like 2 hours (?) after they are first created.
The "edit" button is bottom-right of your posts.

KK ;)
 

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