Ukraine Mess

[mcgameboy]

If the UK had wanted, they could’ve stepped in and assisted in negotiations to stop the war right from the start. And the money that was sent would’ve been kept to sort itself out. Can't say about elsewhere, but look at some places in London. It's 2024 but they look similar to those gypsy slums in Romania. And how about the crazy food prices in shops now?

Not much chance of that EVER happening while they remain a lapdog to the US, who are the biggest warmongers of them all, yet continue to get a free pass.

The US military industrial complex has to, by hook or by crook (almost virtually by crook tbh), to continue to get all those lovely US dollars flooding into their coffers.
And with scum like Obama, Clinton, Pelosi and Sleepy Joe Demented F**kwit holding positions of power and influence, (which is their one way ticket to seeing their own personal wealth increase exponentially alongside that of the US MIC - mainly because they have been bought and paid for and dwell eternally inside the pockets of the big corporations), there's not a chance it will change anytime soon.

US = Not the leaders of the free world, more like the leaders of the free to do whatever the hell they like and never get called out on it world

 

[Webzcas]

Meanwhile, in less than a week, Jake Broe has raised over $1m for Ukraine.

Whilst more Russian Oil Refineries continue to be taken out and the incompetent 2nd best army in the world Ukraine are finding out first hand what ATACMS are all about.

 

[Guntis]

I don't believe that all this money goes to the right hands and purpose. During the 2 years, they've got $175 billion from the US, £12 billion from the UK, and €77.2 billion from the EU, let alone the rest of the world. That's a lot of money considering the relatively small war-zone territory, and not even counting the military aid from many countries they get.

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Plus, i believe they get a lot in crypto and then somehow turn it into fiat currencies through CoinsPaid.

This video of the CoinsPaid founder Max Krupyshev confirms it.



CoinsPaid by the way is a crypto payment processor at most crypto casinos you can find online.

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Maybe i'm wrong but to me, it just looks unrealistic that the money they get isn't enough. My disbelief could be related to a perfect knowledge of what Ukrainians as people are all about. So nothing i can do about it, and i'm not against this nation in any way.

 

[Kroffe]

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[Webzcas]

Thank you for bumping this thread back. I was about to as it happens. Unfortunately for Germany it would appear the individual they are after has gone back to Ukraine from Poland. Boo Hoo.

In other news though. The world's 2nd best military in the world that is Russia, who soon became the 2nd best military in Ukraine, now appears to be the 2nd best military in of all places, Russia

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Slava Ukraini

 

[geordiecolin]

It took them 20 years to boot out the Taliban only to install them again. But the American voting public will forget about running away leaving Billions of $ in weapons.
And now they have just had their noses rubbed in it.




And I would not celebrate Ukraine entering Russia just yet

 

[lockinlove]

The orange man is bad. Thats all you must know. Things like this do no matter that the democrats did that. Orange...man....mean.

 

[geordiecolin]

Thank you for bumping this thread back. I was about to as it happens. Unfortunately for Germany it would appear the individual they are after has gone back to Ukraine from Poland. Boo Hoo.

In other news though. The world's 2nd best military in the world that is Russia, who soon became the 2nd best military in Ukraine, now appears to be the 2nd best military in of all places, Russia

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Slava Ukraini

I think that Ukraine/Nato are falling into a trap. They are being allowed their victories but are running into a cauldron. Over stretched, under supplied, lack of rest will end up with Russia putting the lid on the cauldron.
I don't think it is time to celebrate yet

 

[lockinlove]

I think that Ukraine/Nato are falling into a trap. They are being allowed their victories but are running into a cauldron. Over stretched, under supplied, lack of rest will end up with Russia putting the lid on the cauldron.
I don't think it is time to celebrate yet

I think Putin is showing serious restraint. I am certain he can take all of this to the next level, and levels above but is worried about it turning into World War 3.

If Nato keeps pushing him though, one day we are going to wake up to angry Putin doing some wild shit.

 

[geordiecolin]

I think Putin is showing serious restraint. I am certain he can take all of this to the next level, and levels above but is worried about it turning into World War 3.

If Nato keeps pushing him though, one day we are going to wake up to angry Putin doing some wild shit.

I totally agree.

 

[mack341]

Even the bbc aren't making much of this kursk op, before it would've maxed out the upsides, is Ukraine finally turning the tide type headlines.

It looks like a last throw of the dice, apparently there is a nuclear power station not too far away, possibly the goal was to seize it and then negotiate, but they haven't reached it.

A military operation needs extensive logistics to maintain it, plus fresh troops and tanks etc..
I just don't think they can do that at this stage, and once they have to retreat or are pushed out by force, it'll look like another defeat.

I wouldn't be surprised if russia is actually pleased ukr has committed troops into an offensive, easier than having to fight them dug into defensive positions, they've used their better, experienced soldiers as well, not conscripts with 4 wks of training.

I thought they were going to target the crimean bridge, that seems to have gone off the list of objectives atm, perhaps it was costing too much in the way of missiles.

The news coverage and analysis is pretty poor, something happens they blare out about it for a day or two, and then back to silence.

No follow up, what's happened to all that water flooded area for instance, no update.

 

[geordiecolin]

Even the bbc aren't making much of this kursk op, before it would've maxed out the upsides, is Ukraine finally turning the tide type headlines.

It looks like a last throw of the dice, apparently there is a nuclear power station not too far away, possibly the goal was to seize it and then negotiate, but they haven't reached it.

A military operation needs extensive logistics to maintain it, plus fresh troops and tanks etc..
I just don't think they can do that at this stage, and once they have to retreat or are pushed out by force, it'll look like another defeat.

I wouldn't be surprised if russia is actually pleased ukr has committed troops into an offensive, easier than having to fight them dug into defensive positions, they've used their better, experienced soldiers as well, not conscripts with 4 wks of training.

I thought they were going to target the crimean bridge, that seems to have gone off the list of objectives atm, perhaps it was costing too much in the way of missiles.

The news coverage and analysis is pretty poor, something happens they blare out about it for a day or two, and then back to silence.

No follow up, what's happened to all that water flooded area for instance, no update.

I've not watched msm news since the plandemic started except while at other peoples houses or the clips on social media. But I notice the media have decided that Dancing on Ice is the big issue of the times because every day is either front page or a big deal inside it.
If things go wrong it could be the beginning of the end for Ukraine/NATO and its funding.

 

[lockinlove]

Even the bbc aren't making much of this kursk op, before it would've maxed out the upsides, is Ukraine finally turning the tide type headlines.

It looks like a last throw of the dice, apparently there is a nuclear power station not too far away, possibly the goal was to seize it and then negotiate, but they haven't reached it.

A military operation needs extensive logistics to maintain it, plus fresh troops and tanks etc..
I just don't think they can do that at this stage, and once they have to retreat or are pushed out by force, it'll look like another defeat.

I wouldn't be surprised if russia is actually pleased ukr has committed troops into an offensive, easier than having to fight them dug into defensive positions, they've used their better, experienced soldiers as well, not conscripts with 4 wks of training.

I thought they were going to target the crimean bridge, that seems to have gone off the list of objectives atm, perhaps it was costing too much in the way of missiles.

The news coverage and analysis is pretty poor, something happens they blare out about it for a day or two, and then back to silence.

No follow up, what's happened to all that water flooded area for instance, no update.

I used to watch this Russia/Ukraine stuff super close but havent really paid much attention in quite some time.

I saw that Ukraine invaded Russia though? That's wild. I would have thought that might set Putin off but I guess not.

I think he knows, once he really truly engages, there is no going back. It's going to be full out world war.

Im sure China is trying to tell him to just relax and play it smart but how long will Russia put up with it?

Russia sees Nato as an absolute enemy especially with trying to move into Ukraine and have missiles pointing at Russia.

He cant allow that and neither would the USA if China or Russia went and built military bases in Mexico and pointed weapons at the USA.


Not defending Putin but the USA are to blame also. Antagonizing someone and then playing victim.

 

[geordiecolin]

I used to watch this Russia/Ukraine stuff super close but havent really paid much attention in quite some time.

I saw that Ukraine invaded Russia though? That's wild. I would have thought that might set Putin off but I guess not.

I think he knows, once he really truly engages, there is no going back. It's going to be full out world war.

Im sure China is trying to tell him to just relax and play it smart but how long will Russia put up with it?

Russia sees Nato as an absolute enemy especially with trying to move into Ukraine and have missiles pointing at Russia.

He cant allow that and neither would the USA if China or Russia went and built military bases in Mexico and pointed weapons at the USA.


Not defending Putin but the USA are to blame also. Antagonizing someone and then playing victim.

I smiled at Putin offering a happy home to those in the west that are fed up of their bullshit lives. There is a lot of content online of normal Russian's living life and their people seem happy yet crave a full western life.

 

[lockinlove]

I smiled at Putin offering a happy home to those in the west that are fed up of their bullshit lives. There is a lot of content online of normal Russian's living life and their people seem happy yet crave a full western life.

Some Canadians and Americans have actually got up and moved to Russia. Some people post their journey on youtube. I saw a couple of it.

I dont really like vodka or winter so I probably wouldnt go.

However, once I see people who are mutilating themselves walking around like this, I may embrace the vodka!!!

 

[geordiecolin]

Some Canadians and Americans have actually got up and moved to Russia. Some people post their journey on youtube. I saw a couple of it.

I dont really like vodka or winter so I probably wouldnt go.

However, once I see people who are mutilating themselves walking around like this, I may embrace the vodka!!!

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Stalingrad looks beautiful in summer

 

[sufferinsilence]

Stalingrad looks beautiful in summer

How about Leningrad?

 

[geordiecolin]

How about Leningrad?

What about Leningrad? Do you suggest I google videos of life there? St Petersburg also looks lovely

 

[sufferinsilence]

What about Leningrad? Do you suggest I google videos of life there? St Petersburg also looks lovely

I see you're not in the mood for a joke...

Carry on.

 

[geordiecolin]

I see you're not in the mood for a joke...

Carry on.

Sorry Bud.Bro, Marra, Mate, Comrade, Partner, Fuckface, Twat.
Pick your own monika. I just missed the joke

 

[mack341]

I used to watch this Russia/Ukraine stuff super close but havent really paid much attention in quite some time.

I saw that Ukraine invaded Russia though? That's wild. I would have thought that might set Putin off but I guess not.

I think he knows, once he really truly engages, there is no going back. It's going to be full out world war.

Im sure China is trying to tell him to just relax and play it smart but how long will Russia put up with it?

Russia sees Nato as an absolute enemy especially with trying to move into Ukraine and have missiles pointing at Russia.

He cant allow that and neither would the USA if China or Russia went and built military bases in Mexico and pointed weapons at the USA.


Not defending Putin but the USA are to blame also. Antagonizing someone and then playing victim.

Exactly, the cuban missile crisis was basically the same situation in reverse. In a nuclear war scenario whoever has his missiles nearest has the first strike advantage.

It's serious stuff to provoke that aspect of things. I don't think Putin wanted this war, and it's horrible, the amount dead, others with no legs or arms. The politicians who have stoked it will walk away and merrily get on with their lives.

Austria is still not in nato, and after the 2nd world war agreed to be neutral, I think that's what saved it from being overrun by the red army at the time.

So the idea Ukraine must join nato is not exactly true, I can understand why'd they want to, but that's not how diplomacy works when your location makes you a potential, pivotal threat to another superpower. (Albeit not what they were as ussr)

 

[Guntis]

 

[TheAddict]

Hard to trust anything you hear these days. Though, safe to say the media only reports on ceartin things that benfit the agenda of the month. But the US fighting a proxy war which favours the desired outcome of the top presidential donors? Not quite the shocker it should be.

 

[geordiecolin]

Cheers bro I will watch tomorrow

 

[geordiecolin]

Hard to trust anything you hear these days. Though, safe to say the media only reports on ceartin things that benfit the agenda of the month. But the US fighting a proxy war which favours the desired outcome of the top presidential donors? Not quite the shocker it should be.

And there are donors who fund both parties and both parties except the donations. Two sides of the same arse.
The sooner we understand that the sooner that we understand we live in a corrupt and controlled world mate

 

[TheAddict]

while writing that, just kicked my full beer all over the live end of my phone/tablet charger that wasnt charging anything ffs! shat me pants, thought me house was gonna implode.

 

[geordiecolin]

while writing that, just kicked my full beer all over the live end of my phone/tablet charger that wasnt charging anything ffs! shat me pants, thought me house was gonna implode.

Time for bed? No fun if your slotting

 

[TheAddict]

i dont slot anymore m8. i like to win when i gamble
nn

 

[geordiecolin]

Is this the end? The following members of the Ukrainian Government just RESIGNED EN MASSE to Zelensky:Minister of Foreign Affairs Dmytro KulebaMinister of Justice Denis Maliuska;Minister for Strategic Industries Alexander KamyshinMinister of Environmental Protection and Natural Resources Ruslan StreletsDeputy Prime Minister for European and Euro-Atlantic Integration Olga StefanishynaDeputy Prime Minister - Minister for Reintegration of Uncontrolled Territories of Ukraine Iryna VereshchukDeputy head of Zelensky's office Rostislav Shurma

 

[Webzcas]

All depends on how you 'paint' the picture. To bring some balance to said picture being painted, here is the coverage of this news in the FT.

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No this is most certainly not 'the end'. While Russia continues to act as a murdering terrorist state, occupying illegally 20% of Ukraine, they will continue to be sanctioned and reviled by the majority of the world.

 

[geordiecolin]

All depends on how you 'paint' the picture. To bring some balance to said picture being painted, here is the coverage of this news in the FT.

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No this is most certainly not 'the end'. While Russia continues to act as a murdering terrorist state, occupying illegally 20% of Ukraine, they will continue to be sanctioned and reviled by the majority of the world.

The article is behind a paywall. I think that Russia have carved out a position where they no longer rely on most countries for their stability

 

[Webzcas]

Hmm, so it is, yet lets me read it. Here is the NYTimes take:

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[geordiecolin]

Hmm, so it is, yet lets me read it. Here is the NYTimes take:

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NYtimes is behind a paywall too. BBC seems silent.

There can't be many single males in Ukraine.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh look more empty threats. Looks like Lavrov has been sharing Medvedev's Vodka!

 

[Webzcas]

NYtimes is behind a paywall too. BBC seems silent.

There can't be many single males in Ukraine.

It let's you read one article - which you would have seen

As for the BBC LOL

 

[Webzcas]

Reuters is not behind a paywall

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[mack341]

Looks like a vote of no confidence. I've got a feeling zelensky will want to be out of the country before or if Trump wins. Just in case his situation becomes untenable overnight.

At some point the west may need a fall guy, somebody to pin things on, "our policy was correct/we would have been successful" but for x, y, z. (Literally z in this case).

The war seems to be bleeding the west more than russia. To date I haven't seen any articles regarding gas storage levels for the coming winter, are there adequate amounts for a really cold winter?

The terrible bombing yesterday, if there's a peace deal within, say, the next 6 months then questions will be asked, the same deal could've been struck earlier, saving all these lives and others.

 

[geordiecolin]

It let's you read one article - which you would have seen

As for the BBC LOL

It let's you read one article - which you would have seen

As for the BBC LOL

Are you suggesting that I have lied for some unknown reason when everyone can access the same link and find out for themselves?
And are you advocating for testing Russia out further because some think he is bluffing? So many leaving the cabinet gives a strong indication that something is not right

 

[mack341]

The bbc have covered it in their Ukraine war section, apparently there have been calls for a 'unity' govt, which kind of does make sense.

Z's term of office ran out in may, so what mandate has he got to be making all the decisions, bearing in mind his previous career was as a comedic actor, however which way you dice it, it can't be right.

 

[geordiecolin]

The bbc have covered it in their Ukraine war section, apparently there have been calls for a 'unity' govt, which kind of does make sense.

Z's term of office ran out in may, so what mandate has he got to be making all the decisions, bearing in mind his previous career was as a comedic actor, however which way you dice it, it can't be right.Ukraine is a dictatorship

Ukraine is a dictatorship under the pretext of war. Usually America and the UK are very anti dictatorship but of course Ukraine gets a pass, Billions of $ and weapons.

 

[Webzcas]

Are you suggesting that I have lied for some unknown reason when everyone can access the same link and find out for themselves?
And are you advocating for testing Russia out further because some think he is bluffing? So many leaving the cabinet gives a strong indication that something is not right

No not at all. I am just stating that both the FT and the NYT allow you to read one article before making you sign up to allow you past their pay wall.

And yes, I am a strong advocate of giving Ukraine everything and anything they need to help them shift the murderous terrorist state that is Russia off their sovereign lands.

All we hear from Putin is empty threats. He knows all too well, that Moscow would be turned to glass, the minute his finger moved towards a red button. His red lines are BS. What is not BS is the fact that Russia is a terrorist state, raping, looting, murdering and raising to the ground anything and everything.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh and to add. My dad grew up during WW2. My grandad worked in a factory that produced Spitfires and my Great Uncle was a soldier who fought in North Africa during WW2.

He gave me a very clear message which he learnt during that time. You do not appease dictators.

 

[Webzcas]

Billions of $ and weapons.

These $bn's that Ukraine gets. You do know that the money does not actually go to Kyiv and Zelensky and his fellow dictators of Ukraine don't you?

Let me help you. The US provides munitions and weapons from their stocks. Many of which were going to be replaced regardless anyhow.

These £bn's then go to the likes of Raytheon and Boeing and Lockheed Martin and other defence companies who are US owned and US based, providing orders for newer, modern variants. To replace the old stocks provided to Ukraine.

So in turn the vast majority of the money earmarked for Ukraine, does not actually even leave the US. It does though provide US Defence industry with $bn's of orders, with these monies then going into the US economy, employing people, who in turn spend their wages in the US.

What would happen to these stockpile of weapons if they were not donated to Ukraine? Well they would be destroyed once they came to their end of life.

 

[geordiecolin]

These $bn's that Ukraine gets. You do know that the money does not actually go to Kyiv and Zelensky and his fellow dictators of Ukraine don't you?

Let me help you. The US provides munitions and weapons from their stocks. Many of which were going to be replaced regardless anyhow.

These £bn's then go to the likes of Raytheon and Boeing and Lockheed Martin and other defence companies who are US owned and US based, providing orders for newer, modern variants. To replace the old stocks provided to Ukraine.

So in turn the vast majority of the money earmarked for Ukraine, does not actually even leave the US. It does though provide US Defence industry with $bn's of orders, with these monies then going into the US economy, employing people, who in turn spend their wages in the US.

What would happen to these stockpile of weapons if they were not donated to Ukraine? Well they would be destroyed once they came to their end of life.

You sound like Lindsey Graham.
I didn't need your help to know that it is a great ponzi scheme that allows both America, Russia, the UK and other countries get ride of their old stock while the rich get richer. The people that get killed mean nothing to them unless its their own people-which effects elections.

 

[Webzcas]

Yep and this is why Russia must be stopped.

 

[lockinlove]

No not at all. I am just stating that both the FT and the NYT allow you to read one article before making you sign up to allow you past their pay wall.

And yes, I am a strong advocate of giving Ukraine everything and anything they need to help them shift the murderous terrorist state that is Russia off their sovereign lands.

All we hear from Putin is empty threats. He knows all too well, that Moscow would be turned to glass, the minute his finger moved towards a red button. His red lines are BS. What is not BS is the fact that Russia is a terrorist state, raping, looting, murdering and raising to the ground anything and everything.

Dont be too quick to blame Russia in all of this. USA is just as much to blame.

They backed the 2004 Orange revolution inside of Ukraine. Then again in 2014 with the coup and started shipping massive amounts of ammo into Ukraine.

Dont forget the USA gave Ukraine 5 billion dollars for 'democracy building programs' and most of that in late 2013. This money helped fund the uprising against the Ukrainian (pro Russian) government. The USA started to train Ukrainian troops, provided them with ammunition, tank busters, javlin missiles and more (well before there were any tensions)

In 2014 there were claims made by politicians that there were government snipers ontop of buildings shooting and killing people from BOTH sides to cause unrest and riots between the two sides. (This was proven by doctors as the bullets matched)

For 30 years Russian government has spoken harshly about the USA and moving NATO close to Russian borders. They warned the USA it would be a red line.

Then the "Putin attacked Crimea for no reason" Except is wasnt for no reason. NATO had plans to take this port and make a base on it.

Remember, at this time Russia was showing absolutely zero aggression.

That being said, Putin is a ruthless killer and he kills anyone who stands up to him, including journalists. So I am not sticking up for him but the USA gets too many free passes when they have been the cause of numerous wars.

 

[Webzcas]

On my evening dog walk, I always during the week stick my AirPods in and listen to the excellent Daily Telegraph Podcast - Ukraine the Latest.

Ukraine the Latest has been running every week day since Russia commenced the illegal invasion of Ukraine on 24th February 2022.

Its coverage has been such that it has won multiple awards and has achieved over 100 million downloads.

Last night, as getting ready to go out with the dog, the hosts had some very sad news to report.

David Knowles the Founder of the pod, passed away on Sunday in Gibraltar from a Heart Attack, he was only 32.

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( The link opens for everyone even though The Telegraph is behind a paywall, they have made an exception for this article )

Listening to the co presenters breaking down, sharing this sad news with their listeners last night, was very upsetting.

RIP David

 

[Webzcas]

Friday's Ukraine The Latest Podcast, which turned out to be David Knowles's last one :-(

 

[geordiecolin]

On my evening dog walk, I always during the week stick my AirPods in and listen to the excellent Daily Telegraph Podcast - Ukraine the Latest.

Ukraine the Latest has been running every week day since Russia commenced the illegal invasion of Ukraine on 24th February 2022.

Its coverage has been such that it has won multiple awards and has achieved over 100 million downloads.

Last night, as getting ready to go out with the dog, the hosts had some very sad news to report.

David Knowles the Founder of the pod, passed away on Sunday in Gibraltar from a Heart Attack, he was only 32.

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( The link opens for everyone even though The Telegraph is behind a paywall, they have made an exception for this article )

Listening to the co presenters breaking down, sharing this sad news with their listeners last night, was very upsetting.

RIP David

So sad that the guy died so young and fit looking. Reading a few of the comments from those who knew him was so sad.
Here he is conducting an interview while pissed.

 

[Webzcas]

Richard Woodruff is an absolute star.