UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

[ChopleyIOM]

I don't want to be churlish but are they corresponding dates with boris's parties, doesn't change the overriding principle if they're not but I thought the parties happened later when some restictions had already been loosened.

Having said that I would not have complained if Boris had to apologise and resign or was removed because of the hypocrisy, but there was an element [from the media and his opponents] of using it mainly for political reasons, which is an added wrong.

Whether Boris broke the rules or not, it was the rules themselves that were harsh and cruel [no real logic or balance to them, it was 'zero covid' logic which is just incompatible with life]

So galling to see the same people who wanted even stronger restrictions to now reposition themselves as upset on behalf of the victims of the rules and the collateral damage [children, family businesses etc..]. James O'brien is one of these, afaik he was more of a proponent of zero covid policies, tbf I haven't listened to one of his shows for about 10 years, but that was my impression.

It is a complicated subject to unpick.

You can see the timeline documented here mack, they were at it in the very first lockdown.

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There's no question as to 'whether or not Boris broke the rules', not only was he fined for it, he accepted that he did and apologised for it, so there's no mystery there.

Also, it's possible for both conditions to be true, one can be upset on behalf of those who suffered during the lockdowns whilst also having advocated for them at the time as the least-worst response to a serious pandemic (and I include myself in that list, as per my previous post), whilst also being disgusted at the actions of those at the very seat of the power in the UK, telling everyone else what they had to do for fear of arrest and being branded a criminal, as they flagrantly flaunted those rules themselves.

 

[dunover]

This and the Brexit thread would die away if chopley didn't keep banging on to send it back up again.

I still find it odd that someone who lives outside the EU for 20 years and still does, never thought it an issue, until the UK did the same.

He also has no real concern about the UK govt. as er... he doesn't live in the UK.

I think he's developed a kind of fixation with it all. It's unhealthy. Gets the shakes if it isn't in the top topics list each day. Or fears we might be ignoring his wisdom and genius (well, that of whom he copies-and-pastes.)

It will be 6 years in 3 months ttime, since the referendum. I think it's only him, Gary Lineker and Gina Miller who haven't got over it.

Think how much of your life you have wasted on this thread, typing and copying, searching google for comments that fit your narrative.

It's done, get over it, like Che Guevera is dead. There's not going to be another referendum in the near future, we ain't going back in. Your side lost. So did Corbyn.

Once you get past the denial stage into acceptance, you will clear your mind and be a happier chappie.

P.S.

Did the fortnightly shop today, lashings of large cucumbers at 70p, packs of 6 tommies for 69p and cherry tommies for £1.25, lots of fresh broccoli. (Mind you, I went early, perhaps I should've gone at 4pm. and taken photos when they were possiby sold out, decrying Brexit and howling about bogus shortages.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

 

[mack341]

You can see the timeline documented here mack, they were at it in the very first lockdown.

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There's no question as to 'whether or not Boris broke the rules', not only was he fined for it, he accepted that he did and apologised for it, so there's no mystery there.

Also, it's possible for both conditions to be true, one can be upset on behalf of those who suffered during the lockdowns whilst also having advocated for them at the time as the least-worst response to a serious pandemic (and I include myself in that list, as per my previous post), whilst also being disgusted at the actions of those at the very seat of the power in the UK, telling everyone else what they had to do for fear of arrest and being branded a criminal, as they flagrantly flaunted those rules themselves.

I don't think logically/truly you can unless you've started to change your mind to some degree [from then to now] because it was the rules/policy -like the funeral one- that caused the harm at the time not finding out later that boris had had several parties during the period [I must admit I didn't realise it was as many as that timeline reveals]. It adds to the injury but is not the substance of the original injury.

But then were the public being informed of the 'known' truth in the 1st place, hence hancock's messages are an important source regarding that.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

This and the Brexit thread would die away if chopley didn't keep banging on to send it back up again.

I still find it odd that someone who lives outside the EU for 20 years and still does, never thought it an issue, until the UK did the same.

He also has no real concern about the UK govt. as er... he doesn't live in the UK.

I think he's developed a kind of fixation with it all. It's unhealthy. Gets the shakes if it isn't in the top topics list each day. Or fears we might be ignoring his wisdom and genius (well, that of whom he copies-and-pastes.)

It will be 6 years in 3 months ttime, since the referendum. I think it's only him, Gary Lineker and Gina Miller who haven't got over it.

Think how much of your life you have wasted on this thread, typing and copying, searching google for comments that fit your narrative.

It's done, get over it, like Che Guevera is dead. There's not going to be another referendum in the near future, we ain't going back in. Your side lost. So did Corbyn.

Once you get past the denial stage into acceptance, you will clear your mind and be a happier chappie.

P.S.

Did the fortnightly shop today, lashings of large cucumbers at 70p, packs of 6 tommies for 69p and cherry tommies for £1.25, lots of fresh broccoli. (Mind you, I went early, perhaps I should've gone at 4pm. and taken photos when they were possiby sold out, decrying Brexit and howling about bogus shortages.)

Remain lost the battle, but it will win the war. The process of rapprochement with the EU has already started, you can bloviate about it as much as you like, but we both know that a majority of people in the UK would reverse Brexit tomorrow if they could, and that a sustained, significant, and increasing majority of people think Brexit was a mistake that has hurt the UK.

Even on specific examples, such as food shortages, a majority of people now say they think Brexit is part of the reason they're seeing gaps on supermarket shelves - (just because you haven't seen gaps on shelves, doesn't mean they don't exist elsewhere) - in short, folks are onto Brexit now, its card is marked, and the clock is ticking.

Democracy isn't a one time only deal, it's allowed to change its mind, that's why when a political party loses a general election it doesn't just say, 'Oh well, we lost, better get over it and never try again I suppose' - it goes away, regroups, and has another go.

Many things in politics look invincible, until all of a sudden they don't, the Thatcher and Blair years spring readily to mind. The tide has turned against Brexit already, and in time, it too, will fall.

 

[mack341]

Seeing some of these hancock whatsapp messages, and the deluded arrogance of the fella, the aides are in line with it as well so must be par for the course in terms of westminster ethics and antics. Head of uk health, unbelievable an alan partridge style, wanna-be MP could make it that far.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So it turns out the cancel culture snowflakes are those who can't handle a football presenter expressing a political view on an entirely unrelated platform.

Who knew?

And yet on Question Time last night, Fiona Bruce stepped in to make clear that Stanley Johnson (Boris Johnson's father) breaking his wife's nose during a violent outburst was a 'one-off' event. (Which is not true, Stanley Johnson was a wife-beater.)

Not that you'd guess the BBC has a Tory chairman or anything.

 

[goatwack]

Well of course he's free to spout whatever self-satisfied ramblings he wishes, that is the basis of free speech after all.

I'm somewhat at a loss as to why there's a concerted campaign to oust him from his presenting gigs, as that's not likely to silence him, is it?

However disagreeable his nauseating opinions, from a position of great privilege and influence may I add, cancelling ol' F.A Cup ears for this doubled-down tweet seems strangely out of context given everything else he's 'taught' the plebs over the years....

I suspect it's a cumulative effect, and for the BBC (who let's face it agree with his views doggedly) to sever ties with an ageing, grossly overpaid mouthpiece on circa £1.35m per annum, whilst of course looking virtuous in the process

 

[mack341]

So it turns out the cancel culture snowflakes are those who can't handle a football presenter expressing a political view on an entirely unrelated platform.

Who knew?

And yet on Question Time last night, Fiona Bruce stepped in to make clear that Stanley Johnson (Boris Johnson's father) breaking his wife's nose during a violent outburst was a 'one-off' event. (Which is not true, Stanley Johnson was a wife-beater.)

Not that you'd guess the BBC has a Tory chairman or anything.

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I didn't watch QT [I never do], was their any relevance about Stanley Johnson's wife beating to the pressing questions of the day?

Lineker, the jug-eared footballing hero of yesteryear, needs to work out what he wants to be, a bbc football tv presenter or someone trying to be active in uk politics and commenting on govt policy. He's free to do one or the other.

Edit: Didn't gary neville mention strikers and pay or something during a half time segment, iirc the other ex footballers/analysts didn't know what to say, kind of a look down at your feet moment.

 

[goatwack]

Off the BBC's own website, Guidance: Impartiality-

The BBC’s impartiality requirements do not apply only to broadcast output and published content. An array of social media outlets, for example, present opportunities for the public expression of viewpoints by presenters, reporters and other staff which could jeopardise the BBC’s impartiality. Whilst there may be greater freedom for BBC freelance employees who are not engaged in news or current affairs or factual journalism output and who are not primarily identified with the BBC, it is essential that those engaged in the production of news and current affairs and factual journalism in particular say nothing publicly which could be interpreted as bias on politics or public policy issues, or controversial issues. Those who appear on screen or on the radio in particular may be identified with the BBC: it is easy to damage the perception of the BBC’s impartiality through careless statements made off air

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I didn't watch QT [I never do], was their any relevance about Stanley Johnson's wife beating to the pressing questions of the day?

Lineker, the jug eared footballing hero of yesteryear, needs to work out what he wants to be, a bbc football tv presenter or someone trying to be active in uk politics and commenting on govt policy. He's free to do one or the other.

It was related to the fact that Boris Johnson is trying to put his (wife-beating) dad into the House Of Lords. A question was asked about the appropriateness of such a process.



As for Lineker (who was Mrs Chopley's teenage crush BTW, she used to have posters of him on her wall, so I commend her excellent taste), Alan Sugar didn't have to choose one thing or another.... He's allowed to still be a purveyor of shite hi-fis in the 80s and current 'entrepreneur', whilst also still being a BBC presenter.

Is the problem the Tories and the BBC have with Lineker that he doesn't agree with the Tory government? (Hint - yes.)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Off the BBC's own website, Guidance: Impartiality-

The BBC’s impartiality requirements do not apply only to broadcast output and published content. An array of social media outlets, for example, present opportunities for the public expression of viewpoints by presenters, reporters and other staff which could jeopardise the BBC’s impartiality. Whilst there may be greater freedom for BBC freelance employees who are not engaged in news or current affairs or factual journalism output and who are not primarily identified with the BBC, it is essential that those engaged in the production of news and current affairs and factual journalism in particular say nothing publicly which could be interpreted as bias on politics or public policy issues, or controversial issues. Those who appear on screen or on the radio in particular may be identified with the BBC: it is easy to damage the perception of the BBC’s impartiality through careless statements made off air

OK then goaty tell them that about Alan Sugar

 

[goatwack]

OK then goaty tell them that about Alan Sugar

I already did!

Twice!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I already did!

Twice!!

In that case you are excused.

 

[mack341]

It was related to the fact that Boris Johnson is trying to put his (wife-beating) dad into the House Of Lords. A question was asked about the appropriateness of such a process.



As for Lineker (who was Mrs Chopley's teenage crush BTW, she used to have poster of him on her wall, so I commend her excellent taste), Alan Sugar didn't have to choose one thing or another.... He's allowed to still be a purveyor of shite hi-fis in the 80s and current 'entrepreneur', whilst also still being a BBC presenter.

Is the problem the Tories and the BBC have with Lineker that he doesn't agree with the Tory government? (Hint - yes.)

Sugar is on about once a year, give us another example in the same ilk but on the bbc each week?

I'm not up-to-date on Bojo, is he still [currently] trying to get his dad a lordship? He shouldn't be allowed to do that, regardless of wife beating, using public office to award and make your dad a lord is an act of nepotism going too far.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

A useful guide.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sugar is on about once a year, give us another example in the same ilk but on the bbc each week?

I'm not up-to-date on Bojo, is he still [currently] trying to get his dad a lordship? He shouldn't be allowed to do that, regardless of wife beating, using public office to award and make your dad a lord is an act of nepotism going far too far.

Come on old chap this is very much current affairs!

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[mack341]

Am I not surprised it was that stupid yasmin brown woman, I cannot watch or listen to her without the risk of a scanners effect occurring!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Am I not surprised it was that stupid yasmin brown woman, I cannot watch or listen to her without the risk of a scanners effect occurring!

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Yes because she's totally the problem in that scenario.

 

[dunover]

Lineker the smug oily muppet, earns more from us taxpayers under threat of fines and/or imprisonment than he ever did at any football club he played for. The condition we pay the TV tax is to fund an IMPARTIAL BBC. It's not like it's the first time he's done it. I hope I never see that miserable Shearer and hysterical Ian Wright again either, so all good from this license payer's perspective.

But the moronic comment he made is what really matters. I mean come on! A sensible boats policy (not even as harsh as Australia's) to prevent illegal entrants. Compares that with an industrialised state murdering machine re. Nazi Germany. Twat. Like most footballers, he had his IQ printed on the back of his shirt.

Another champagne socialist consumed by middle-age guilt. Good riddance.

 

[goatwack]

I dunno.....I'm going to miss his anecdotes. Hopefully he'll still stick around on Twitter!

Still torn as to my favourite one. Is it the 'handwritten letter' an immigrant Lineker had housed for a couple of months, named 'Abdul', despite no evidence of this having occurred? Maybe just a funny riposte to his critics?

Or will the time he claimed to have endured racism whilst playing for Barcelona, because of his tan, take the spoils?

One thing always guaranteed with the man is rank hypocrisy. Like the time he 'forgot' to wear a mask during the special lockdown times, because of reasons

To think, I remembered when he was borderline national treasure, had just taken over from Des Lynham on MOTD, made mildly amusing crisp ads, and was that affable chap liked by most. Then he became BBCed, and that's all she wrote!

 

[goatwack]

Sneak peek of tomorrow's Match of the Day coverage:

 

[dunover]

Sneak peek of tomorrow's Match of the Day coverage:

Pochettino and Kane? Have they not got a match tomorrow?

 

[dunover]

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sneak peek of tomorrow's Match of the Day coverage:

I think it's fucking brilliant, a group of people who can't be cowed because they've got enough cash to just say fuck off to the BBC and their Tory paymasters, and plough their own furrow.

Braverman and her evil needs to be called out, I salute those who are doing so.

Go Gary, and everyone who stands in solidarity with him.