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A new thread WooHoo! It kind of makes sense to move on from the 2019 General Election, seeing as we are half way through 2022 already! I have written a piece concerning the remaining five contenders, which later this afternoon will be whittled down to 4.

My own personal preference. Has to be Kemi Badenoch or Tom Tugendhat from what I have seen and heard so far. One thing I am not though, is in anyway shape or form, ready for Rishi!

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So Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss have pulled out of the next Leadership Debate which was to be held tomorrow night on Sky News. Sky subsequently have pulled the debate, which as a result would have thus only had two of the candidates taking part, out of the remaining field of 4.

Apparently Tory Party bosses are concerned of the damage that is being done to the party as a result of the debates. LOLOLOL

Seriously, 12 years in government and Johnson's continual lying hasn't done any damage then?

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I was listening to a few backbenchers over the last month on various channels and it makes you remember what you see before you, cabinet and otherwise, isn't necessarily the mood of the party - ie, they spoke sense and had, seemingly, a bit of class.
 

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So unsurprisingly Tugendhat came in fifth place last night and leaves the contest, leaving Sunak, Mordaunt, Truss and Badenoch to duel it out, with another vote taking place this afternoon.

Mordaunt's vote went down by 1 MP, whilst Sunak picked up another 14 votes and Truss another 7. Also Tobias Elwood has had the Conservative Party whip removed this morning, for not coming back from Moldova in time for the vote of no confidence in the government held last night - A vote of No Confidence that the government brought on itself!

As a publicly declared supporter of Mordaunt, this means she will lose at least another vote in this afternoon's ballot.
 

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So are your Ready 4 Rishi 🤢 or do you trust Liz Truss :rolleyes:

Putting this out here now, lump on Labour to win the next General Election. As whoever becomes Tory Party leader and subsequently Prime Minister, they will lose the next General Election. Unless of course Labour bring back Corbyn.
 

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I thought truss was alright a while back when she was globe trotting and signing trade deals, but greater time under the spotlight shows she's not very convincing or charismatic.

Neither her nor Rishi will be able to inspire folk to go out and vote for them, it would be an anti labour vote.

If Boris was so bad and a rank liar etc..why even install one of his senior ministers, who served closely, to replace him. Get someone totally fresh in.
 

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So Risky Sunak or Liz Trump - going by @ChopleyIOM analysis, the 'racist pensioners' who form the majority of Tory members apparently, will surely vote for her. So it will be an ex Lib-Dem remoaner in charge. Actually, that would likely be the best option for the Con's electoral chances.

Remember, the Boris majority of 80 is actually a pyrrhic figure as about 30 of those 'red wall' seats were borrowed from Labour by Farage ensuring the Tories won them by taking Labour votes from those who wouldn't have voted Con. if you paid them.

So in 'normal' electoral conditions, the Con. majority is really about 20-25 and as @Webzcas says this makes LieBore hot favourites.
 

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I've had a timeout for the last week or so because the General Election thread was starting to properly do my nut in, especially when dunover blessed himself with mind-reading abilities, so it's probably for the best that we have a new thread to track the self-immolation of the Tory party in.

Anyway, I predicted we'd end up here a couple of weeks ago, before the first round of voting had happened, as me and a mate made a bet of a token 'point' on it. (Snip from WhatsApp below, you can see the date is the 7th July.)

So yes I think Pound Shop Thatcher Truss will win, which is what I thought two weeks ago. And now she's throwing around crazy uncosted inflationary tax cuts like confetti, she's completely unfit for the job on every single level, she's basically a robot that has learned a load of different Tory phrases that the old white Southern men who principally make up Tory party members will find comforting, so for those reasons I think she will win.

Which is great news for Labour.

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Quite likely our next Prime Minister, folks.

 

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I've had a timeout for the last week or so because the General Election thread was starting to properly do my nut in, especially when dunover blessed himself with mind-reading abilities, so it's probably for the best that we have a new thread to track the self-immolation of the Tory party in.

Anyway, I predicted we'd end up here a couple of weeks ago, before the first round of voting had happened, as me and a mate made a bet of a token 'point' on it. (Snip from WhatsApp below, you can see the date is the 7th July.)

So yes I think Pound Shop Thatcher Truss will win, which is what I thought two weeks ago. And now she's throwing around crazy uncosted inflationary tax cuts around like confetti, she's completely unfit for the job on every single level, she's basically a robot that has learned a load of different Tory phrases that the old white Southern men who principally make up Tory party members will find comforting, so for those reasons I think she will win.

Which is great news for Labour.

PORK MARKETS!

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Maybe it's not 'racism' but the fact they know his missus' non-dom tax affairs will come up and bite his ass if he wins?
 

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This one is almost mesmerising. (PORK MARKETS is in here, but the rest of it is magnificent too.)

 

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Maybe it's not 'racism' but the fact they know his missus' non-dom tax affairs will come up and bite his ass if he wins?

Oh for sure Sunak is a disaster too, all the entitlement of Johnson with none of the charisma, plus a blatant tax dodger whilst also being one of the UK's richest men.

At every stage of the process the Tory MPs got rid of the least horrible candidates, to leave the two most horrible ones as the final choices. If Labour were writing the script for it they couldn't have done a better job.
 

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Oh for sure Sunak is a disaster too, all the entitlement of Johnson with none of the charisma, plus a blatant tax dodger whilst also being one of the UK's richest men.

At every stage of the process the Tory MPs got rid of the least horrible candidates, to leave the two most horrible ones as the final choices. If Labour were writing the script for it they couldn't have done a better job.
To be fair, in this village we do allow the pensioners to goose-step with a mere 45 degree angle on their legs, in consideration of their ageing limbs, as opposed to the full 90 degrees for the under-50's.
 

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Has Rishi even done a big tory conference speech, passed me by if he has. I think the members might choose him to prove they're not racist, plus Truss comes across as though she's not plugged in, winging it far too much.

Rishi's explanation re his wife's tax situation is not acceptable and she's received lockdown handouts for some of her failing businesses [something like that] not good optics. So either way we, or conservatives, are *****d.

Bring back Boris I say, for all his faults he's better than these two put together.
 

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It's shocking..
We now have a choice of someone who has been doing his "Campiaign" and someone who is incapable of using a telephone!
 

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Why tf would someone with 600 million quid in the bank want to go through all that trouble, to get a bloody difficult job, that pays a fraction of his vast income and fortune. Surely he doesn't actually believe his own bullshit - that he is for the good of the country?

If I were in his situation, it would be feet up for the rest of my life somewhere quiet.
 

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Why tf would someone with 600 million quid in the bank want to go through all that trouble, to get a bloody difficult job, that pays a fraction of his vast income and fortune. Surely he doesn't actually believe his own bullshit - that he is for the good of the country?

If I were in his situation, it would be feet up for the rest of my life somewhere quiet.

Because it will put him in a position where he has control over the laws of the land, and can pass laws for the benefit of himself, his family, and his friends. (And perhaps more importantly, make sure that laws he doesn't like don't get passed. What chance of a wealth tax gaining any traction whilst Dishy Rishi is PM, do you think?......)

Just as the Tories and their mates made out like bandits over Covid (crony PPE contracts, dodgy business loans etc), imagine what being Prime Minister and heading up a government will open up to him.

It's all about consolidating power and wealth in the hands of the rich, the Tories are a party of the rich, they govern for their benefit, Sunak is one of the rich, and this will open up a huge tranche of opportunities to him.

Remember, capitalism isn't about having loads of money and then stopping, it's about keeping going until you've got all the money.
 

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Do you have a sliding scale of wealth being acceptable? Reason being Sir Kier (Sir and Tory should surely go together?) is hardly short of a few bob and doesn't strike me as a docker from Unison etc.

Often find it amusing when folk say owt about capitalism whilst, you know, continuing to enjoy the benefits of it :laugh:

And to get in there - I have never put an X beside a Tory candidate, nor SNP, in my voting record - pretty much a moderate. It's pretty easy to be outward looking as a Labour voter as it enables you to bypass the 'why are we not resonating with the electorate' questions that they have still yet to answer (easier to pick a bogeyman)
 

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Do you have a sliding scale of wealth being acceptable? Reason being Sir Kier (Sir and Tory should surely go together?) is hardly short of a few bob and doesn't strike me as a docker from Unison etc.

Often find it amusing when folk say owt about capitalism whilst, you know, continuing to enjoy the benefits of it :laugh:

And to get in there - I have never put an X beside a Tory candidate, nor SNP, in my voting record - pretty much a moderate. It's pretty easy to be outward looking as a Labour voter as it enables you to bypass the 'why are we not resonating with the electorate' questions that they have still yet to answer (easier to pick a bogeyman)

This is the thing, I'm not 'anti-capitalism' as a default response to everything, as an economic system it can work pretty well, but it absolutely needs checks, balances, and regulation to reign in its worst excesses. Would I want to live in a Communist state? Absolutely not. Would I want to live in a Socialist state? In its purest sense, no. I think there's a balance that we can find where elements of both Capitalism and Socialism can co-exist, so that private enterprise and business can prosper, but we also don't find ourselves in a world where people working full time jobs are so poor they need to resort to food banks to eat.

What we're witnessing at the moment is what late-stage neoliberal capitalism looks like, the massive consolidation of wealth, assets and power in the hands of the few, at the expense of the many, and it is a consolidation that is accelerating.

Remember, we're talking about extreme wealth here, individuals who have amassed hundreds of millions, or even billions, tens of billions of pounds in wealth and assets, and they pay little to no tax on any of it, whilst your average working person is enduring the highest personal tax rates for seventy years.

I'm not advocating for taking it all off them, or even most of it, or even 10% of it, wealth taxes in the region of 3-4% per year on the very richest in the UK, would net tens upon tens of billions of tax revenue annually, and those people could still make more money in a day without getting out of bed, than most average people would make working for ten years or more.
 

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I thought truss was alright a while back when she was globe trotting and signing trade deals, but greater time under the spotlight shows she's not very convincing or charismatic.

This is the trade deal Truss signed with Australia, have a guess how UK farmers feel about it.

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He's going to be furious when he finds out who's been in charge for the last twelve years.

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So the two candidates are now engaged in what can only really be described as a 'cunt-off'.

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We're now into what can only really be described as National Front territory. (Nice to see Princess Di still making copy three million years after her death.)

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Meanwhile Rwanda, after taking £120m from the UK government, has said it can only take 200 refugees, which works out to £600K per refugee. Now I'm no mega-maths-genius, but for that money we could have given them the best possible education and training in the world, and had them working productively in our society as doctors and scientists and researchers and nurses and surgeons and all that kind of good shit.

Instead, we spent £600K per refugee to not send them to Rwanda.

Still, it's nice to see Boris 'World's Biggest Fucking Liar' Johnson enjoying his tax-payer's funded jolly doing literally no work and instead playing around in Top Gun style jet stunts and chucking pretend grenades around.

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