UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

So pretty clear that any woman who disagrees with this is to be hated and degraded.

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Saw clips of it earlier. Looked and went shows the support when only a few hundred were there protesting and there were just as many booing them.

I say hope the SNP keeps up their recent run as Sturgeon is that desperate instead if gaining support she is losing it . And for her to actually say on air when questioned and trying to defend reasons why 16 year old are old enough that maybe it is time they looked into them also being allowed to.legally buy alcohol in pubs was a major balls up even by her standards. Normally she speaks well while deflecting away from subject very rare she actually says something on air that she will know instantly was stupid. But yeah let's have 16 year old legally drinking in pubs lol just shows how crazy and desperate she is becoming.
 

Pictured: Doctor shows army of ‘pointless’ forms burying NHS hospitals​


Dr Gordon Caldwell took this photograph of the forms required for one medical admission to an NHS hospital, which shows them stretching beyond his 5ft 10in frame

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The specialist in general medicine and diabetes endocrinology said: “A few years ago there were estimates that nurses were spending around 50 per cent of their time on paperwork; now I’d say it’s closer to 70 per cent.”

“It’s bureaucratic and it’s very slow and horribly inefficient,” he said.

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They must spend more time staring at and filling in forms than time with the patients.

I wonder if it comes down to covering arses so the nhs doesn't get sued, like a paper trail of care given and decisions made otherwise they can't prove anything if challenged.
 

Pictured: Doctor shows army of ‘pointless’ forms burying NHS hospitals​


Dr Gordon Caldwell took this photograph of the forms required for one medical admission to an NHS hospital, which shows them stretching beyond his 5ft 10in frame

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The specialist in general medicine and diabetes endocrinology said: “A few years ago there were estimates that nurses were spending around 50 per cent of their time on paperwork; now I’d say it’s closer to 70 per cent.”

“It’s bureaucratic and it’s very slow and horribly inefficient,” he said.

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They must spend more time staring at and filling in forms than time with the patients.

I wonder if it comes down to covering arses so the nhs doesn't get sued, like a paper trail of care given and decisions made otherwise they can't prove anything if challenged.
One of the possible issues is that, with 'efficiencies' (and they have done this), admin functions have been removed from a lot of areas - what happens is that they then get moved to someone like a nurse as 'part of their job', which doesn't help: it's why the whole 'there are too many pen pushers in the NHS' isn't always an accurate reflection: it's those folk who free the professionals up to do what they do etc

Pointless forms? Probably/likely - sometimes blame the overzealous Legal Departs - naturally risk averse and i know from a previous life you'd have been looking at 20, when all the info was essentially on 5 etc - it has/did improve

It is a tricky balancing one because when you seen the claims for malpractice/negligence coming in, what was being held (decisions/sign offs of x,y,z) needed to be down to a T or your claims handlers would be telling you that you needed to settle, no point fighting it etc.

It get's increasingly difficult to have any confidence in the NHS - take even Saturday from a person point of view - kid taken to Hospital, despite Strep A increases and at A&E they kept going: oh, it's viral....having to actually almost force them to check the throat....comes back....yeah it's bacterial....wtf. Maybe why some people get accused of 'oh, coming in here thinking YOU ARE the doctor' because they're having to do exactly that to make sure everything is gone through.

Nice article the other day regarding the bravado when Govt's announce: 500m EXTRA for the NHS. Broke down that 'extra': well it wasn't really; something like (make the numbers up but general gist): 450 of that was 'ring fenced' money for 'new' policies. Which leaves 50m to deal with pay awards, inflationary increases and that's even before we go into increased demand - so if our own Govt can't even be open about the funding, but rather rely on other bodies (who may swing left/right), then what hope is there of actually addressing the issue properly.
 
Well I don't know about you dunover, and call me old-fashioned perhaps, but I don't routinely check out the cocks of the people stood next to me at the stall when I go for a piss in the pub.

So I most likely wouldn't even notice, but even if I did become aware of such a truly terrifying prospect (a person using a toilet, heaven forfend!) - I'm sure I'd cope.

For all I know it's already happened (we have trans people on the IOM), and somehow I seem to have survived, maybe I just got lucky :)
You would if I came and stood next to you, you wouldn't know where to look. And that's without the wig, lippy and high heels.
 
Saw clips of it earlier. Looked and went shows the support when only a few hundred were there protesting and there were just as many booing them.

I say hope the SNP keeps up their recent run as Sturgeon is that desperate instead if gaining support she is losing it . And for her to actually say on air when questioned and trying to defend reasons why 16 year old are old enough that maybe it is time they looked into them also being allowed to.legally buy alcohol in pubs was a major balls up even by her standards. Normally she speaks well while deflecting away from subject very rare she actually says something on air that she will know instantly was stupid. But yeah let's have 16 year old legally drinking in pubs lol just shows how crazy and desperate she is becoming.
Yeah, i agree she's probably picked the wrong subject to wager the PR exercise of: look at them using the s35 (or whatever) as an attempt to garner support. Had it been something else, maybe politically astute but she's taking a bit of a risk with this one in trying to frame it to her own will.

Said on here before, the SNP are why Indep is on the table but they're also the reason why it never went through last time IMO.

Going to be one of those votes (if it happens) what really come down to the 3 mins walking into a polling booth if it happens - I've been the same, started off: i'm ending this Labour voting with a Tory vote, heard something in the run up and then when i got in, went: i just can't do it.

What's clear though is the SNP will latch onto any and everything to push what they want - oddly enough, not a well thought out whitepaper.
 
The lunatics are taking over the asylum yet again. In a decree by immigrant Labour London mayor 'soft muslim' Khan, the city is having a cultural naming inquiry whereby roads, school names, building names and statues are being 'investigated' for possible offence.

So we go to Haringey where there is a street called 'Black Boy Lane' (no-one seems to know where the name came from, probably a coal or chimney sweep depot using child labour in olden times, so the kids were blackened?) Who knows.

So they ask the 36 households in the 'offending' lane to vote on a name change, 87% say leave it as is, including ALL THREE black households living there.
In true lib-fascist style, you WILL vote again until we get the right answer. The vote, after another council meeting, was extended to a bigger area of the brough surrounding it. Alas, no joy and still a big majority said to leave it.

Another meeting, and the 'vote' was sent out to residents and businesses even outside of the borough. Got a slight nod this time, mainly from people who had never seen it.

So the sign was changed to 'La Rose Lane' (some black poet apparently, nobody has heard of outside Haringey or the BBC I'd guess) and underneath La Rose Lane in brackets the sign says "Formerly Black Boy Lane":laugh:
The cost of all this shite? £187,000 or £5k per houshold there. Or all that year's council tax raised from over 90 households (assuming no benefits.)

Yep, enough to build a council house on a piece of local land, or pay 5 NHS nurses for a year. Or to get 5 bonuses on Bonanza.

Maybe @ChopleyIOM should take note of this and learn why woketards, lefties, liberals and others of his ilk never win elections. In delusional la-la land, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But nowhere else.
 
The lunatics are taking over the asylum yet again. In a decree by immigrant Labour London mayor 'soft muslim' Khan, the city is having a cultural naming inquiry whereby roads, school names, building names and statues are being 'investigated' for possible offence.

So we go to Haringey where there is a street called 'Black Boy Lane' (no-one seems to know where the name came from, probably a coal or chimney sweep depot using child labour in olden times, so the kids were blackened?) Who knows.

So they ask the 36 households in the 'offending' lane to vote on a name change, 87% say leave it as is, including ALL THREE black households living there.
In true lib-fascist style, you WILL vote again until we get the right answer. The vote, after another council meeting, was extended to a bigger area of the brough surrounding it. Alas, no joy and still a big majority said to leave it.

Another meeting, and the 'vote' was sent out to residents and businesses even outside of the borough. Got a slight nod this time, mainly from people who had never seen it.

So the sign was changed to 'La Rose Lane' (some black poet apparently, nobody has heard of outside Haringey or the BBC I'd guess) and underneath La Rose Lane in brackets the sign says "Formerly Black Boy Lane":laugh:
The cost of all this shite? £187,000 or £5k per houshold there. Or all that year's council tax raised from over 90 households (assuming no benefits.)

Yep, enough to build a council house on a piece of local land, or pay 5 NHS nurses for a year. Or to get 5 bonuses on Bonanza.

Maybe @ChopleyIOM should take note of this and learn why woketards, lefties, liberals and others of his ilk never win elections. In delusional la-la land, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But nowhere else.
Something similar in Belfast a few years ago, councillors voted to bring in an edict that if 15% of residents wanted a street sign put up in Irish on their street then it was fook the rest of the residents, the 15% got their way.
Mental that now we are living in such a forward thinking society that the majority are just ignored in almost everything, they have no voice and the more of a minority you are the more you get your way. So glad 2 uncles died in WWII to save democracy......
 
Just saw the pic on twitter, surprised the normally calm and law abiding folk from the gypsy community aren't now up in arms, but I think I know why they added the formerly part, not to help confused locals looking for a missing street, but to emphasise their politically correct [hate that phrase] reasons why it had to be changed. :rolleyes::mad:... might as well called it stormzy avenue or rashford road, though I'd love to know the other names they did consider, even corbyn crescent has a nice ring :p

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I would agree with you on Dunovers example. And I would also agree with uou on some of what you say.

But sorry think you also need to research what I said as well.

Fact especially in Scotland many woman's groups are against the changes. And yes it is becoming a problem in this country and around the world where everything is getting changed to unisex etc. to put a minority first.

And maybe at moment things are not that bad tho there are already cases about men in woman's changing rooms etc.

Take this week. Sturgeon managed to get a law passed in this country that thankfully got overruled by Westminister. You do know that some of it means a man without even medical proof can basically identify as a woman after time scale of living as one for 3 months and could then legally use woman's changing rooms etc . If you can not see what sort of problems this may cause then indeed you live in a sheltered world. And it is actually more female than male that are against all the changes. Okay most people will not take advantage and many will be genuine. But you are opening it up for every pervert , peadophile etc. to go hey now i don't need medical diagnose, treatment or anything I just need to identfy myself as a woman and free to go in their changing rooms. Okay many won't but guaranteed some will and even one is one too many. And no there will be no background checks or security as that is classed as against the person's right to identify as a woman. Fuck sake a sex offender could do the same and nothing could be done as they have same rights as anyone else to change their gender. And yet you still say you do not see anything wrong with way things are going.

Not even going into any of this crazy shit now where there are hundreds of different binary descriptions for a person and you are hearing you should not even call a man he as you don't know what he identifies is just getting stupid. Was bad enough when you should not useikl postman as woman thought that sexist but now you are getting advised not to use anything until you know. Even in new job during training they had junk about how to call someone by their name and never refer to a colleague as him or her etc. As it may cause offence. Really is that what the world is coming to that if you innocently say ask him if he knows where it is you can then get into trouble.

Sorry Chopley but this country is going way over the top and everyone out seems to be so sensitive and offended by the simplest thing. But hey what the hell I can identify as a non binary elephant fr9m tomorrow if i wished and people have to respect that. Sorry but whether you agree or not and whether your polls say so it's all getting out of hand and the majority would agree. Just when asked a lot are too scared to say otherwise for fear of all the backlash from a minority .
Here you go, straight away, this person would be allowed to piss in women's bogs in Scotland if Sturgeon and her cronies has their way...

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Maybe @ChopleyIOM should take note of this and learn why woketards, lefties, liberals and others of his ilk never win elections. In delusional la-la land, in the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is king. But nowhere else.

You've seen the current polling, right?

Anyway, Zahawi's gone, sacked by Sunak for breaking the ministerial code over his tax dodging. That's a step up from Johnson at least, who saw no reason whatsoever to sack his ministers when they broke the ministerial code.

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Calls for Zahawi to quit as an MP, following his financial fiddling.

Though in fairness he's been shady for the longest time, and the chickens are simply coming home to roost.

One ministerial oversight cockup, one might raise an eyebrow. Two, it starts looking 'rather suspect'. Seven, and it's just outright neglect and feelings of moral superiority, and feeling untouchable.

Sunak copping the flak for not cutting Zahawi adrift sooner, and I think we can all hazard a guess as to that one. I suspect - and I could be wrong here - Sunak was willing to ignore the furore and let it simmer down, hoping it would eventually go away as a non-story. After all, Zahawi paid it back, right?

Turns out it wasn't that simple, and Zahawi's rap sheet longer than Pinochio's nose. And so being the calculating wizz-kid that he is, like making pretend money over Furlough, figured banishing him from Team Rishi would be good for PR.

Bit late, but at least he tried. But fear not, I'm sure we'll see Zahawi pop up in another Cabinet post in around eight months :laugh:
 
Gobshite pram- pusher Angela Rayner spouting her usual bile by opposing the deployment of emergency laws in case of future strike action, hoping instead for a throwback to when Unions could cripple the entire country and keep it in a grip of fear.

Because apparently keeping essential services running, as well as educating a generation whose education's been already heavily disrupted, is a bad thing, under the pretext that Labour care about your average worker *chortle*

Labour really 'Labouring it up' and looking to truly balls up any realistic chance of getting into power, by causing yet more animosity and division - their forte.

"Education, Education, Education" my arse :laugh:

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Gobshite pram- pusher Angela Rayner spouting her usual bile by opposing the deployment of emergency laws in case of future strike action, hoping instead for a throwback to when Unions could cripple the entire country and keep it in a grip of fear.

Because apparently keeping essential services running, as well as educating a generation whose education's been already heavily disrupted, is a bad thing, under the pretext that Labour care about your average worker *chortle*

Labour really 'Labouring it up' and looking to truly balls up any realistic chance of getting into power, by causing yet more animosity and division - their forte.

"Education, Education, Education" my arse :laugh:

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Well, if Labout get in your arse would probably receive much education over the term.
 
Gobshite pram- pusher Angela Rayner spouting her usual bile by opposing the deployment of emergency laws in case of future strike action, hoping instead for a throwback to when Unions could cripple the entire country and keep it in a grip of fear.

Because apparently keeping essential services running, as well as educating a generation whose education's been already heavily disrupted, is a bad thing, under the pretext that Labour care about your average worker *chortle*

Labour really 'Labouring it up' and looking to truly balls up any realistic chance of getting into power, by causing yet more animosity and division - their forte.

"Education, Education, Education" my arse :laugh:

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Well when everything else has failed, what else does the average man or woman have left to them as a course of action than the threat of withdrawing their labour, and if that doesn't work, then to actually go through with it and withdraw their labour? (Y'know, labour, Labour Party, there's a clue in the name.)

Workers organising themselves and going down the route of collective bargaining is the only reason we have stuff like holiday pay, sick pay, maternity leave, two day weekends, paid lunch breaks, maximum working hours, minimum rates of pay, sensible retirement ages, meaningful health & safety legislation, and so on.

Those who know their history, will know that the lives of the working classes in the 1800s and early 1900s were incredibly brutal and poor, marred by illness, infirmity, and early death, thanks to a system that neither cared about them, nor represented them.

Looking into the detail of what Labour are proposing with the 'Minimum Service Level' legislation, they're just after the chance to analyse and debate it properly, and at least see some impact assessments in terms of the consequences, before it gets rushed through parliament without proper scrutiny. (I thought one of the big BREXIT BENEFITS was restoring the primacy of the UK Parliament, so why are the Tories trying to rush shite (quite possibly illegal) legislation through it at a million miles per hour? The last time they did this, if you'll recall, was the amazing Brexit trade deal, and look how that ended up, with monumental turd-for-brains IDS declaring there was no need to debate it because everyone knew everything about it already - LOL, good call Iain, you giant thick twat.)

Ultimately goaty, I'm wondering what it is you're advocating for here, because once workers lose the right to strike, they lose the right to defend themselves, to fight for themselves, to draw a line in the sand and say 'no more'. We're talking about workers that have in some cases lost 20-25% of their income in real terms since 2010, what do you propose they do, just lie down and take it?

The point they're making is that services are already crippled and on their knees, they're already not doing what they're supposed to do, thanks to thirteen years of chronic underfunding, people are leaving these services in droves, the vacancy rates in services like Education and the NHS are appalling and only getting worse, the strikes are intended to focus minds on the wider problem. Nurses and teachers are not loony militants, they're decent, hard-working people who have been pushed, and pushed, and pushed - every worker has the fundamental human right to say, 'No, no more, I will not work for you any longer, until you improve the conditions under which I work. And if you refuse, I will withdraw my labour'.

The path we're going down has an endpoint, we've been there before, it's called feudalism. Spoiler alert - It's not very nice for normal people.
 
Well when everything else has failed, what else does the average man or woman have left to them as a course of action than the threat of withdrawing their labour, and if that doesn't work, then to actually go through with it and withdraw their labour? (Y'know, labour, Labour Party, there's a clue in the name.)

Workers organising themselves and going down the route of collective bargaining is the only reason we have stuff like holiday pay, sick pay, maternity leave, two day weekends, paid lunch breaks, maximum working hours, minimum rates of pay, sensible retirement ages, meaningful health & safety legislation, and so on.

Those who know their history, will know that the lives of the working classes in the 1800s and early 1900s were incredibly brutal and poor, marred by illness, infirmity, and early death, thanks to a system that neither cared about them, nor represented them.

Looking into the detail of what Labour are proposing with the 'Minimum Service Level' legislation, they're just after the chance to analyse and debate it properly, and at least see some impact assessments in terms of the consequences, before it gets rushed through parliament without proper scrutiny. (I thought one of the big BREXIT BENEFITS was restoring the primacy of the UK Parliament, so why are the Tories trying to rush shite (quite possibly illegal) legislation through it at a million miles per hour? The last time they did this, if you'll recall, was the amazing Brexit trade deal, and look how that ended up, with monumental turd-for-brains IDS declaring there was no need to debate it because everyone knew everything about it already - LOL, good call Iain, you giant thick twat.)

Ultimately goaty, I'm wondering what it is you're advocating for here, because once workers lose the right to strike, they lose the right to defend themselves, to fight for themselves, to draw a line in the sand and say 'no more'. We're talking about workers that have in some cases lost 20-25% of their income in real terms since 2010, what do you propose they do, just lie down and take it?

The point they're making is that services are already crippled and on their knees, they're already not doing what they're supposed to do, thanks to thirteen years of chronic underfunding, people are leaving these services in droves, the vacancy rates in services like Education and the NHS are appalling and only getting worse, the strikes are intended to focus minds on the wider problem. Nurses and teachers are not loony militants, they're decent, hard-working people who have been pushed, and pushed, and pushed - every worker has the fundamental human right to say, 'No, no more, I will not work for you any longer, until you improve the conditions under which I work. And if you refuse, I will withdraw my labour'.

The path we're going down has an endpoint, we've been there before, it's called feudalism. Spoiler alert - It's not very nice for normal people.
Damn you and your reasonable response Chopley. Damn you to hell! :p

No, of course I don't advocate for workers to get a pittance relative to their skillset and working environment, nor do I cherish the Government dragging their heels and playing hardball with the Unions, as they're not the ones affected by this.

But I don't buy that rail workers'/ nurses' pay isn't commensurate with their workload, in fact I believe many to be far better off than your average Joe, e.g Retail workers or Amazon delivery serfs, and many other sectors.

And so there comes a point where their demands start testing the patience of, say, everyone else, as barring 'Defence' spending, Health & Transport are what keeps the country moving. Nine months and counting, with further action planned, it's just become a succession of ultimatums that help no one.

I mean sure, 20% is nice to have, and we'd all like to future-proof ourselves going forward, not to mention Health workers in particular having been overlooked for inflation- rivalling pay increases, but as we know, there's only one way inflation's headed, and it's not towards the 'barrel-load of bank notes to buy a loaf of bread', so it'd be nice if we could attain some perspective from all sides.

That's to say, unless we all enjoy hopping on the alternative, designates bus routes provided to us as Charing Cross runs a skeleton crew, or we revel in comforting an elderly relative as the A&E gives one an average wait time of 14+ hours?
 
Damn you and your reasonable response Chopley. Damn you to hell! :p

No, of course I don't advocate for workers to get a pittance relative to their skillset and working environment, nor do I cherish the Government dragging their heels and playing hardball with the Unions, as they're not the ones affected by this.

But I don't buy that rail workers'/ nurses' pay isn't commensurate with their workload, in fact I believe many to be far better off than your average Joe, e.g Retail workers or Amazon delivery serfs, and many other sectors.

And so there comes a point where their demands start testing the patience of, say, everyone else, as barring 'Defence' spending, Health & Transport are what keeps the country moving. Nine months and counting, with further action planned, it's just become a succession of ultimatums that help no one.

I mean sure, 20% is nice to have, and we'd all like to future-proof ourselves going forward, not to mention Health workers in particular having been overlooked for inflation- rivalling pay increases, but as we know, there's only one way inflation's headed, and it's not towards the 'barrel-load of bank notes to buy a loaf of bread', so it'd be nice if we could attain some perspective from all sides.

That's to say, unless we all enjoy hopping on the alternative, designates bus routes provided to us as Charing Cross runs a skeleton crew, or we revel in comforting an elderly relative as the A&E gives one an average wait time of 14+ hours?

The key word you use in that post goaty, and I'll focus on it if I may, is 'serf'. You used the word in relation to Amazon delivery workers. There is an accepted definition of the word serf, and it stood out to me because I used the word 'feudalism' in the post you were quoting.

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That's the thing here goaty, you're clearly a smart guy, and indeed that's actually one of the nicer things about being a member here at CM, it's full of smart people who think about things and take the time out of their to day to post coherent and respectful replies to the thoughts of others. (To be clear here, I have very obvious and profound differences of opinion with other CM members about a lot of stuff, but I don't think anyone else here is stupid.)

There's a reason you reached for the word 'serf', and the question we then have to ask is, why should serfdom be a thing in the UK, one of the richest economies in the world (as we're often reminded....), when we know for a fact that the UK is also home to more millionaires and billionaires then ever before?

So yes, against the backdrop of 'serfdom' being an actual thing in the UK (or something very close to it, like scarily close to the literal definition of serfdom), of course it stands to reason that there will be some working class people who are still doing better than the serfs. (Those who managed to retain decent salaries and benefits, the likes of which were considered absolutely routine for the previous generation, but are now an increasing rarity or even 'luxury'.)

And from there, what is it we want to see? That all working class people are reduced back down to serfdom? (Because that's where we came from.) Remember, we're not talking about rich people here, we're talking about working class people who have (in the main) managed to retain a decent, albeit rather modest in the grand scheme of things, standard of living.

Nurses and teachers and train drivers are not the bad guys here, they're not our enemies, the likes of Zahawi who tried to dodge MILLIONS OF POUNDS IN TAX and ended up paying a ONE MILLION POUND PENALTY at the end of a process that was in progress when he was the actual Chancellor of the Exchequer, they're the rogues of this piece, not your massively overworked nurse who just wants to be able to get by in life without a struggle. (Whilst, y'know, possibly saving your life or someone close to you one day.)

The problem here is that the 'Amazon serf' (your words, not mine) exists, it's not those people in working class professions who are still able to enjoy a reasonable standard of living as the fruits of their labour.

The goal here is to stop 'Amazon serfs' being a thing, not to kick those close to us on the ladder further down. We're on the same side as them.

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All of these strikes are in the public sector that's one of the differences to the olden days Chopley alludes to, and when the people decided they wanted to be an NHS nurse they knew it was not going to be the land of milk and honey in terms of take home pay but there are other things they enjoy that the private sector won't give them.

That said as a top 10 economy you'd have to look at the pay and perks of nurses in comparative countries, then make your case from there.

I can't see the management striking over pay anytime soon:

"In 2010, as the coalition embarked on its controversial reforms aimed at opening the service up to more private competition, ministers told the Senior Salaries Review Body (SSRB) that by the time the changes were completed in April this year, there would be fewer than 100 very senior managers working in the top salary bracket of between £70,000 and £240,000 a year. But the Department of Health last night confirmed recent SSRB data which shows the number is now 428, including 211 super-managers at NHS England, the new body which oversees the budget and delivery of day-to-day services. The average pay of these managers is around £123,000 a year.

The figures do not include the 259 chief executives of NHS trusts whose pay is set by their own organisations' remuneration committees and in some cases is more than £240,000 a year.

The revelations will pile more pressure on ministers after it emerged that some 2,200 NHS managers have been made redundant with large payoffs, only to be re-employed soon after."

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That was 12 years ago so I wonder what they're on now?

I bet we're employing more managers than other top countries and paying them more, and the reverse for the rest of the staff, and probably it stokes resentment when the nurses can see brand new range rovers and jags appearing each year in the staff car park. The NHS has to cut its cloth fairly across the board.
 
(To be clear here, I have very obvious and profound differences of opinion with other CM members about a lot of stuff, but I don't think anyone else here is stupid.)
Yet you have this amazing propensity to over-emphasise, repeat yourself and talk down to the rest of us. As if we are incapable of digesting any point(s) you make. This is either an intellectual inferiority complex, or a lack of confidence in your own speech and expression or lastly some divine sense that you are correct every time. There's self-belief and there's patronization. :)

That aside, the remarkable thing about the English language is its versatility, its ability to adapt to the age of usage. 'Pleb' for example once meant common persons without direct representation. Serfs were the English equivalent of the Scottish crofters, on the land by favour of its owner and scraping a living with no security. So nowadays, in context, we refer to the plebs and serfs in terms of those with least investment in society, least potential, maybe on welfare or in low-paid dead-end employment. The present day equivalent of their ancient namesakes. Nothing to be pedantic about.

If we take other words according to your logic we could routinely and openly use the word 'gay' or 'nigger' or 'paki' still as none of them originally meant what they do in the context of today. The first meant colourful or happy, the second came from explorers in the Niger delta (where the local tribes were so dark they actually had a bluish sheen to their skin) so 'black as a Niger' came into being and the third was simply an abbreviated term for 'Pakistanis', a right mouthful for native English speakers here so was quickly shortened. Now they have been ringfenced as offensive after being misused, a fate that will no doubt await 'serf' and 'pleb' if the wrong thinkers or people dare use them.
 
Leaving dunover's slightly bizarre contribution aside, let's have a look at today's cheery news, as the party of economic competence continues to steer the good ship Britannia into calmer and more prosperous waters.

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Still at least interest rates aren't going up any further, right? Oh. THANKS TRUSS AND KWARTENG, GREAT WORK.

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Anything else?

DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON MR BLOBBY.

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Leaving dunover's slightly bizarre contribution aside, let's have a look at today's cheery news, as the party of economic competence continues to steer the good ship Britannia into calmer and more prosperous waters.

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Still at least interest rates aren't going up any further, right? Oh. THANKS TRUSS AND KWARTENG, GREAT WORK.

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Anything else?

DON'T TAKE IT OUT ON MR BLOBBY.

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You should work for the BBC, with your misleading-news-via-omission.
For the benefit of those of us (99%) who read this thread and who @ChopleyIOM believes are incapable of keeping up with the news ourselves without his constantly pasting it here, let's add the bit he's conveniently omitted:

"However, the IMF also said that it thinks the UK is now "on the right track".
 
Well technically speaking, if you're heading towards a cliff edge and you change track so that you crash into a barn full of shit as opposed to falling off the cliff, you chose the 'right track'.

The UK has lower projected economic growth than....... Russia. Y'know, that country that MOST OF THE WORLD HAS IMPOSED ECONOMIC SANCTIONS ON, and they're still expected to do better than the UK.

Then again, the UK chose to impose massive and crippling economic sanctions on itself via Brexit, so I guess it makes sense.

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