Turned $$100.00 into 3000

[bethug]

jerseyguy11, i would never use betting $2, then $4, then $8, then $16, then $32, then $64... online, maybe on land and that a maybe.

Micro has a pattern, rtg and con all has a pattern, Good money management and dont play into depoist over 20% and you , email me and u can win thousand a month, i have got a few emails and people are winning.

Vesuvio, my bank roll cant get to 0 only if i dont follow my simple rules, me switching games is for a reason.

Vesuvio how much money do you win playing online?? if you not winning you might need to sit back and learn off the people that winning

 

[Vesuvio]

Vesuvio, my bank roll cant get to 0 only if i dont follow my simple rules, me switching games is for a reason.

Vesuvio how much money do you win playing online?? if you not winning you might need to sit back and learn off the people that winning

Bethug, I'm up about 10000 ($18000?) for the last 7 months, just playing with bonuses (a 'system' proven to work). Quite happy with that.

The only rule which can possibly mean you don't get to 0 is if you withdraw before getting there. Maybe you do if you go down by 20% (though I note from the link I gave that if you'd lost one of your bets you'd have been on $73 & broken your rule). Switching games certainly can't stop your balance decreasing.

Look, I'm not saying there isn't an outside chance the casinos are rigged and you stumbled on a way to exploit that, but it doesn't look like that - especially as you claim you can beat land-based casinos as well.

Your approach isn't a stupid way to play at casinos, it's just stupid to claim you've found the holy grail... I hereby bow out of this thread :notworthy

 

[jerseyguy11]

im up to 6,000 profit for last 10 days. ciphers seen some of my logs thus far. I suppose he can interpret my strategy.

 

[Vesuvio]

jerseyguy11, i would never use betting $2, then $4, then $8, then $16, then $32, then $64... online, maybe on land and that a maybe.

Guys, you realise this is the infamous Martingale system which would be fine assuming you had an infinite bank roll & infinite table limits? Jersey, if you got from $500 to $7000 that way it just illustrates the point about progressive systems. You can have results like Bethug has despite using a system which is very clearly a bad system...

Oops, I wasn't supposed to post on here again

 

[wanda5]

timing is everything, bet size is important too, but if you cant time your bets your out of luck.

I dont understand how you can time your bet if many others are playing the same game, at the same casino, at the same time youre playing.
Not that I would even attempt to try to learn all that any time soon lol
but I thought I would ask because I have seen a bunch of posts about "timing" and always wondered how that worked. Do you just HOPE that no one else is playing while you are playing? Thats not at all meant to sound cocky, if it does, I am just very curious.
It always boggles my mind that in my personal experience I go on a losing streak and then go on a winning streak (large or small) either way its usually in bulk (win or lose). I would love to crawl into the brain of the system and watch it all! I also wish the casinos would tell you how many active members they have. A while ago I got an email from Jupiter Club and they sent all members ONE bulk email so I had a whole list of everyones email address' but only about 100 people or less in the email list. That was kind of scary and made me only want to play at popular casinos or they dont seem like they would have much money...wish in one hand...lol I JUST WANT A FREAKIN EDGE !!! lolol
Thanks a bunch!

 

[DeMango]

When a mathematician looks at a negative progression he does not factor in a stop loss point. Therefore at some point in time a negative standard deviation event happens and all is lost. That is the math. But as Bethug, The Pirate, Cipher and others show us stop loss, change game or other disruption of the negative event seem to work. This is really irratating some clueless math boys out there. Instead of being happy for these events and investigating further they merely say "The Sun revolves around the Earth and that is that!" Therefore the flame wars are on!

 

[wanda5]

Bethug, its been a while since I have won a big one...WTG. I am amazed with your dicipline, how do you keep from only playing a certain amount per day? I have won and lost $10,000 in a DAY...after I got up to 10k I never thought it would be possible to lose it all so fast...its so hard to stop!!!
Now I FLUSH if I get over $1000, just so I dont make the same mistake. But if I had $6000 just sitting there, it would be soooo hard not to feel the urge!! :notworthy

 

[jerseyguy11]

thats why i try to cashout in between play. after the pending expires i cannot reverse the prior cashouts which is good.

 

[bethug]

Vesuvio, you have to use the casino money, I dont. There noting wrong with using bonus, but why go thru the hassle with play thru, when you can win with you own money, ?Next i can win 18000 in two weeks easy , if i dont go to my office. I only play at home.

Lets see you up 18000 in 7 months, i made the last two months 27000 plus net. With out a bunch of hasles.

Also vesuvio everyone that seen my post for over the pass 4 years ,know i use negative progression. never said i didnt.

go to the casino in vegas and see there table limits 5 to 300, they have it there for a reason.

The way i play, i cut my loses, i dont get greedy, which i see many people do.
Yesterday i bet 1000 bucks two times, why not i am way up over 100 a day.
and i won each one. not telling any one to do that.

When the bonus dry up for you, what will you do, use mom, sister and your dead uncle names, i dont have too and that a good thang

 

[Vesuvio]

Vesuvio, you have to use the casino money, I dont. There noting wrong with using bonus, but why go thru the hassle with play thru, when you can win with you own money, ?Next i can win 18000 in two weeks easy , if i dont go to my office. I only play at home.

Lets see you up 18000 in 7 months, i made the last two months 27000 plus net. With out a bunch of hasles.

Bethug, I'm not on some sort of ego-trip as you seem to be. I'm happy if others are making money. If you think you can beat the casinos, fine. I dislike you encouraging others to lose money, but that's all.

As far as I can see your approach is really just disguised gambling. Nothing against it, but I'd rather not. Yep, it's possible someone like Cipher might be able to spot & exploit subtle patterns, but I'm sure it takes a lot of effort, failed attempts & risks. I don't see it as being the easy solution.

go to the casino in vegas and see there table limits 5 to 300, they have it there for a reason.

Sorry, Bethug, but it's just complete rubbish to suggest that if you had say a table limit of say 1-1000 you have an edge over the casino betting progressively. It's just likely to take longer for the system to fail.

The way i play, i cut my loses, i dont get greedy, which i see many people do.
Yesterday i bet 1000 bucks two times, why not i am way up over 100 a day.
and i won each one. not telling any one to do that.

Lol! You don't get greedy... but then you bet $1000 - now, I agree, it's fine - why not? But don't then come on here saying you've got to 5000 etc. as if that's due only to your system & not also the result of some lucky bets.

When the bonus dry up for you, what will you do, use mom, sister and your dead uncle names, i dont have too and that a good thang

Suprisingly the bonuses don't really seem to dry up the way I expected they would & I'm still making good money each month. If they do run out, then fine, it was just an unexpected windfall in any case. I'll be happy to see the back of on-line casinos. If I want some extra money there's always poker or trading on sports events at betting exchanges, but maybe I should bite the bullet & get a job

 

[Vesuvio]

When a mathematician looks at a negative progression he does not factor in a stop loss point. Therefore at some point in time a negative standard deviation event happens and all is lost. That is the math. But as Bethug, The Pirate, Cipher and others show us stop loss, change game or other disruption of the negative event seem to work. This is really irratating some clueless math boys out there. Instead of being happy for these events and investigating further they merely say "The Sun revolves around the Earth and that is that!" Therefore the flame wars are on!

Read Theorem II:

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Yeah, I know, you'll never believe it - long live Pseudo-science!

p.s. think you've misunderstood what Cipher does...

 

[bethug]

Vesuvio, how long u been working for the casino??
Hood science 100dollars ==5000 enough said

 

[Vesuvio]

Vesuvio, how long u been working for the casino??
Hood science 100dollars ==5000 enough said

Did I get a job without noticing it? I'm a student, but suddenly I feel like switching to Hood Uni & majoring in Hood science...

 

[DeMango]

Vesuvio:
Do you think for yourself or let others? I said that none of what the math boys say is wrong but they don't think of everything. My computer programs (self written) point another way. By experimentation and dumb luck others are finding out these answers also. The fact is preachers of one system will denigrate the efforts of others. In fact ,the math boy of all math boys (the wiz) just lost $1800 (other math boys lost much more) betting on dice setting because he believed the sun moves around the earth. A new method came out, of advantage play, and the old guard of card counters couldn't, wouldn't believe it. They paid for their ignorance! Psuedo science indeed! Check his site out oh doubting Thomas! Keep your mind open and your poison pen shut and you will do well. Nothing wrong with being a Bonus Ho but let others explore all the possibilities, thats what this is all about, the math.

 

[Vesuvio]

Vesuvio:
I said that none of what the math boys say is wrong but they don't think of everything.

No, what you said was: 'When a mathematician looks at a negative progression he does not factor in a stop loss point.'

I quoted one example (of many) to show that that's completely untrue (as you must have known).

Just looked at the Wiz's site - something to do with being able to influence rolls of a dice? But not much to do with maths... & nothing to do with progressive betting systems.

As I said before - I'm not denying you might be able to exploit rigged software (& I genuinely wish you luck! hell, I even try myself), but a progressive system won't beat a fair game - or go on, if you're sure it can then prove it to the Wiz & take some more money off him!

I'll 'shut' my poison pen now & leave you to attack the 'clueless math boys'...

 

[DeMango]

Vesuvio;
Thanks for toning it down. Your point was not proved, all the math I have seen is of win or go bust variety. Some guy named Oscar walked into a casino for 20 years and never lost. He had discipline and a large bankroll, which is what this is all about. You have no proofs except what others say. Where are your programs? I greatly respect what The Wiz has done for this community and I would not think of letting my research into anyones hands. But in the end it will all come down to weather or not these casinos will offer a fair game. It is not looking good.

 

[Vesuvio]

You can read about Oscar's grind on that same site:

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Again, I'm not saying progressive systems are necessarily a bad thing. If I was going to gamble at a casino I think I'd use one, as (like our friend Oscar) you give yourself a very good chance of winning in any particular session. I still don't believe you can beat a fair game with a progressive system, even if I don't have a computer program to prove it. There are vastly smarter people than me out there (I'm not even a mathematician) who have looked into it. I probably couldn't prove the General Theory of Relativity from scratch, but I'll give Einstein & co. the benefit of the doubt for now.

I agree with you about it being unlikely to get a fair game, but personally I think a rigged game is the best chance of being able to make money without using bonuses. The only problem is the casinos might well change how they rig the software, so it's not necessarily any more long term than the bonus approach.

 

[bethug]

"I still don't believe you can beat a fair game with a progressive system, even if I don't have a computer program to prove it"

Vesuvio are you saying you can never bet a casino with progressive system, you are very wrong, I can go to any casino in easy win 200 hundred bucks, the problem with most people is they will chase there lost until they have no bankroll left, you have to get up or start over again. I have shown many of screen shots, i have shown many of runs i have taken money staight up, and i am not the only one.

 

[Vesuvio]

Yes, Bethug, that's what I'm saying (assuming it's a fair game). Of course you can have sessions when you go from 100 to 10000, but in the long run, unless you're exploiting some mechanical/software flaw or just get lucky, you'll end up getting the standard return for the game you've been playing - so you'll lose money.

It doesn't make a difference if you switch games or go and have a meal and come back, though I realise it's tempting to think it does. It doesn't help if you decide to withdraw if you lose 20% of your balance. You'll lose 20% of your balance enough times in the end to cancel out your winnings.

It proves nothing at all to have had wins using a progressive system (so no need to post incorrectly sized screen shots). If you want you could post every deposit & cash-in you make for the next few months & we might have some interesting data to work with...

 

[Petunia]

lottery comes to mind. it is a game. a gamble. lottery if you willingly loose!!!

 

[bethug]

Vesuvio, the more and more i read you post, i feel you work for the casinos.

Fact is vesuvio my style play is putting money in my bank. You have never seen me step on someone style of play beside people telling me, my system dont work, win.

Now, i just played at phoenican casino, have not played there in over three weeks, depoist 300 and now up to 404, using my system.

So far using my system at three casinos, casino on net, lake palace and phoenican , my system has work on. Vesuvio, but you say it dont work.

I just ask for my logs and win i finish up my work. I will post the screen shot.

Lets do this name the casino, beside playtec casino and i will go there. That how sure i am of my play

 

[Vesuvio]

Vesuvio, the more and more i read you post, i feel you work for the casinos.

Bethug, at least we agree on something - I'm sure YOU work for the casinos! You undoubtedly make them money by encouraging people to follow your 'system' - if anyone does what I do and plays only with bonuses they're more or less guaranteed to make money & no-one, the casinos, players or mathematicians would dispute it. I'm not sure the casinos would want me working for them, but hey, I wouldn't mind some extra cash
Is FortuneLounge still out there? I'll send him my CV...

 

[jpm]

I made $1,000,000 last month - ask me how!

I made $1,000,000 last month and not only didn't I have to go to the office to do it, I didn't even have to turn on my computer! No silly wagering requirements to keep track of, or rejected credit card deposits either! Not even an expensive computer or internet connection required. All you need some cash and a penny for your equipment. That's right ONE PENNY is all you need for your equipment!! Even a toddler can master this system in just minutes. I call it the Scratch Ticket System 5000 (TM)!

Classes starting soon, and I'll even supply the penny. Sign up now!

 

[GrandMaster]

From the Wizard's September 14, 2004 Column (

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I would like to encourage your readers to continue to utilize their favorite betting system. They all work. We've never lost long term on any of them. Of course when I say "we" I mean those of us who work in the casino. - Mark, A casino manager

 

[chucho]

Yes, Bethug, that's what I'm saying (assuming it's a fair game). Of course you can have sessions when you go from 100 to 10000, but in the long run, unless you're exploiting some mechanical/software flaw or just get lucky, you'll end up getting the standard return for the game you've been playing - so you'll lose money.

It doesn't make a difference if you switch games or go and have a meal and come back, though I realise it's tempting to think it does. It doesn't help if you decide to withdraw if you lose 20% of your balance. You'll lose 20% of your balance enough times in the end to cancel out your winnings.

It proves nothing at all to have had wins using a progressive system (so no need to post incorrectly sized screen shots). If you want you could post every deposit & cash-in you make for the next few months & we might have some interesting data to work with...

I have to disagree, if you switch games when you are losing you will almost always, 70% of the time, come back to a winning table. Progressives systems will win every time because you can just keep doubling until you win, you can't lose. And what is all this bull about a negative expectation game. Do you really believe all that math stuff? Obviously DugThug has proven that his systems works by showing an oversized screen shot, there is nothing you can say as photos do not lie and if he did it once, he can do it 70% of the time. You are all just jealous because he is so smart and good-looking