This rates a 10 on the greasy scale!

[dunover]

Despicable indeed and I hope that the casino rep takes action against the affiliate.

Even the "reporter" won a decent amount on the casino - yeah right

Well if she doesn't Casino Rewards could possibly lose accreditation like Casumo with their similar affiliate stunts. IMO this is the same affiliate, different casino with exactly the same style of campaign.

Same 'reporter' who managed a 16k win after the Irish pensioner who 'won' what was it, 600k euros?

 

[interlog]

Well if she doesn't Casino Rewards could possibly lose accreditation like Casumo with their similar affiliate stunts. IMO this is the same affiliate, different casino with exactly the same style of campaign.

Same 'reporter' who managed a 16k win after the Irish pensioner who 'won' what was it, 600k euros?

Yep, I must be in the wrong profession. Going to change career to become a reporter on big casino wins

 

[Lemon]

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And at once, the Angel of Slots was gone. And the man was at peace, save for one final act. With his last remaining strength he took hold of his mobile phone, not to send a final message to his loved ones oh no, but to load up the slot which is Starburst and play off 10 spins at 0.10 stake, and win 0.35. Amen.

 

[bebo67]

Disgusting to say the least.

The only action to be taken is to shut down the aff account. The domain is protected so no info there from whoIs. And it seems they are saying the domain is owed by a balloon company of all things which
I did find was located in Singapore , they have a facebook page, web site. Nothing linked to gambling. Does not mean the balloon company is part of this as the operator of this site could have chosen this company as a cover. Or the domain does really belong to the balloon company. Its bad though when this kind of thing happens, casinos need to take more care in tracking traffic sources ,... which yes is doable even though time consuming.

I dont think there is anyone who has not been directly or indirectly affected by this terrible disease ... (we lost our mum to it 3 years back ....

Lets hope the rep/casino jump all over this asap!

Im very sorry to hear about your mother It sounds like a pretty sophisticated set up. The only reason I clicked on it was because it said Brantford, which is where I live. IP tracker?

 

[dillos]

yes but the bubble gum and hair thingy isnt Its just a fun app to add things. i can make myself look like a chipmunk too

pretty girl compliments

 

[Mark_32Red (retired acct)]

For those that do not know, Renee has long been the CR rep here at CM. An exception was made for her when CR became accredited as she cannot post in the forum, although she has always been quick to respond to pm's.

I've also "reported" the thread so that it will come to Bryan's attention, and have asked that he discuss the matter with her also.

I probably shouldn't get involved but I am intrigued - why can't she post?

 

[Jono777]

I probably shouldn't get involved but I am intrigued - why can't she post?

AFAIK, no IT or "physical" reason, more a choice she made, avoid can of worms scenarios etc.

 

[Mark_32Red (retired acct)]

AFAIK, no IT or "physical" reason, more a choice she made, avoid can of worms scenarios etc.

You guys are not that bad are you? Haha

 

[trancemonkey]

Just to show how dodgy this is, a quick change in the URL can give you this result:

Outdated URL (Invalid)

Would appear it's now a town called Scamville in Scamland

 

[bebo67]

Just to show how dodgy this is, a quick change in the URL can give you this result:

Outdated URL (Invalid)

Would appear it's now a town called Scamville in Scamland

Man you're on the ball! Love it! :notworthy
One of the comments in the last 12 minutes.
Charlotte Cox
I saw this on the news. Good for him too! now that's some good karma!
Reply . 13 . Like . 12 minutes ago

 

[maxd]

Hi all,

Renee wanted the membership to know that the problem originated with a bad media buy not an affiliate. She says:

please post my sincerest apologies to the community for this and thank them all for bringing it to my attention.

She's working on making sure the production company gets their feet in the fire over this and the problem won't happen again.

PS. I'm working 3rd person here -- through Bryan -- and I'm not in direct contact with Renee on this. I can't speak for her.

 

[dunover]

Hi all,

Renee wanted the membership to know that the problem originated with a bad media buy not an affiliate. She says:


She's working on making sure the production company gets their feet in the fire over this and the problem won't happen again.

PS. I'm working 3rd person here -- through Bryan -- and I'm not in direct contact with Renee on this. I can't speak for her.

What sort of 'production company' do they employ? It must be the same 'production company' Casumo had then with the blag Granny story, exactly the same modus operandi, same shills and comments. At least Casumo admitted it was a dodgy affiliate.

Sorry, but I smell BS here - what casino group employs a 'production company' and lets them post this crap without checking what they've paid for first?

Even if this 'company' had 'produced' a more decent story, the downright false shilling and inherent dishonesty involved during and afterwards would surely not be something a reputable casino group would advocate or be associated with anyway?

And if not an affiliate, why the tracking code in the link?

Sorry, but CR has no way out of this IMO, same as Casumo didn't. At the worst they knew about this already (although vehemently denied it seems) so giving them the benefit of the doubt they've been bloody negligent at best by not keeping an eye of what this 'production company' spews out on their behalf.

I still think a gesture to a cancer charity would be in order here, if they really regret this. This filth has upset MANY people including myself for the same reason as Bryan and no doubt many others here whom have seen the effects on loved ones of this vile disease.

 

[colinsunderland]

I agree with dunover completely here.

I can't believe a casino would buy media like this and allow it to go live without checking it. ANY time I have sold space on my site the person buy the ad has triple checked it, I'm finding it hard to believe a casino wouldn't.
Even worse is the fact the links are still live.

 

[colinsunderland]

Funnily enough, I complained directly to these earlier about this and just got an email back

I have checked with our marketing department and this ad is not ours so they’ve asked me to confirm with you how you came across it exactly.

The reason we’re asking is that it is coming from an affiliate which we don’t control.

So Renee states its not an affiliate, marketing states it is an affiliate.

Yep, seems legit to me

 

[bebo67]

I agree with dunover completely here.

I can't believe a casino would buy media like this and allow it to go live without checking it. ANY time I have sold space on my site the person buy the ad has triple checked it, I'm finding it hard to believe a casino wouldn't.
Even worse is the fact the links are still live.

Click on the facebook profile comments of these people, and see what happens

 

[maxd]

While I think everyone agrees that this thing was remarkably inappropriate I also would strongly recommend against doing the lynch-mod thing here, particularly as it applies to Renee. It's very easy to point fingers and get all morally outraged but you may well be barking up the wrong tree. For instance:

• Renee has had her own cancer scare recently so she is painfully aware of the inappropriateness of this material and is doing her best to deal with this. Try to remember that when you're howling for her head on a pike.
  .
• it seems their marketing guys don't know the difference between an affiliate and a media company, so take Marketing's statements on this with a good bit of critical analysis before assuming they've "outed" anyone. I've dealt with casino Marketing people before and I promise you they live in their own little bubble world and are proud of it. Experts on anything outside their sheltered sphere they are not.
  .
• apparently the "affiliate code" isn't, their aff codes are all "affXXXXX" and the one posted was just random numbers. Obviously it's natural to be deeply sceptical in these situations but don't assume you know everything because you may just have your head up your own arse.

I think it's fair to say that we all want to see this thing cleaned up and not repeated. Demanding Renee's skin on the wall is not part of that process, it's just witch hunting and we can do very well without that SVP.

 

[dunover]

While I think everyone agrees that this thing was remarkably inappropriate I also would strongly recommend against doing the lynch-mod thing here, particularly as it applies to Renee. It's very easy to point fingers and get all morally outraged but you may well be barking up the wrong tree. For instance:

• Renee has had her own cancer scare recently so she is painfully aware of the inappropriateness of this material and is doing her best to deal with this. Try to remember that when you're howling for her head on a pike.
  .
• it seems their marketing guys don't know the difference between an affiliate and a media company, so take Marketing's statements on this with a good bit of critical analysis before assuming they've "outed" anyone. I've dealt with casino Marketing people before and I promise you they live in their own little bubble world and are proud of it. Experts on anything outside their sheltered sphere they are not.
  .
• apparently the "affiliate code" isn't, their aff codes are all "affXXXXX" and the one posted was just random numbers. Obviously it's natural to be deeply sceptical in these situations but don't assume you know everything because you may just have your head up your own arse.

I think it's fair to say that we all want to see this thing cleaned up and not repeated. Demanding Renee's skin on the wall is not part of that process, it's just witch hunting and we can do very well without that SVP.

Hey Max - nobody as far as I can see wants Renee's head on a pole; we know it's not down to her and these people aren't linked to or employed by her personally. Renee is simply our means of communication at CM, no more no less and like any decent human being she will be as disgusted by this thoroughly reprehensible and offensive marketing as we all are.

This affair has or will backfire and inevitably damage the CR name rather than enhance it, and that logic alone suggests the matter will be dealt with in a robust manner.

On the other hand CR are a group which have been associated with severe spamming and excessive marketing mails numerous times in the past so I understand the cynicism running through some posts.

The consensus here, if there is one, would appear to be a wish that whoever thought this idiotic and crass material up is isolated from the gambling/affiliate community and should not benefit financially from it. And CR are in pole position to ensure that happens so I feel that members here are simply recommending in the strongest possible terms that they do.

If this material is allowed to persist then the industry really has sunk to a new low, an ethical boundary has been crossed and an indelible stain left in the wake.

 

[maxd]

... He/she should actually be charged.

Well if she doesn't Casino Rewards could possibly lose accreditation ...

Renee ... apologize of their behalf. ...

From what I was seeing the heat was largely being directed at Renee which, as stated, was not appropriate.

 

[bebo67]

From what I was seeing the heat was largely being directed at Renee which, as stated, was not appropriate.

No, no! He/she should be charged was directed at the person who did the article. I don't know Renee


Renee. I am not attacking you, I don't know why you don't type out here, and I guess it is not for me to know, but please don't make this about you. A marketing company that was hired by CR, and yes I believe it was a company, because it's too elaborate to be just an affiliate. Took a families misery, pictures and story. Took it to make a profit for the casino you work for. Does it have anything to do with you? No, but as a business woman, I am sure you will do the right thing and make sure it is escalated to the right persons. The police SHOULD be involved. Can you imagine if the family had seen this? The casino has a moral obligation to do the right thing. That is my stance on this. I'm sorry you had to go through a scare, and I am glad it was just that.

 

[spoton]

Not only using a tragic story, but the "shills" made by the same one as made the site, also presented the casino as it was something one could have made a profit of. IMO Casinorewards deserve a quite hefty slap here, that they ought to pass on to the marketing agency.

Just blaming someone else doesn't cut it. Can't control your affiliates? Then you shouldn't have a open program. Can't choose a proper marketing agency? Then do the marketing yourself, or use a proper well known one.

 

[Jory]

It makes me feel physically sick to read that article, but then you go one step further and read the shill replies about claiming that any person who does not believe this story is a *hater* and how you can pay off your debts by having faith in this story and joining their casino. On top of all this, I get the feeling that casinomeister are protecting the REP from criticism and actually defending their actions because "Renee" would never intentionally do such a thing.

Look I get it, I'm sure Renee probably is a nice person and would never approve of this article, but if that is the case then I think they should step up and give a statement.

 

[dunover]

To be fair CM aren't defending her actions because she hasn't taken any, this is something that would presumably be dealt with higher up or in marketing when Renee's passed it on to them. CM would take action against the casino not the messenger or middleman.

What worries me is that this is far worse, to the nth degree, than the shenanigans Casumo 'promoters' or 'marketers' were up to. They were using similar methods to post frankly comedic and patently bullshit stories to generate traffic but this Cook's stuff was/is simply sick and offensive.

Casumo is a far bigger operation than Cook's so I imagine it was beyond them to stop it all quickly. Their accreditation was toasted and sadly one of the best casinos out there lost their status here.

All I am suggesting is that once CM are availed of all the facts and proven action taken by CR that they should be treated comparably if appropriate. There's no way CM would have one rule for one, and one for another.

 

[maxd]

To be fair CM aren't defending her actions ...

FTR Bryan has been away thus far this week. I believe he'll be returning some time today.

 

[spoton]

Here is another fake story promo for another of Casino Rewards' casinos.

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It is in Norwegian and the fake story doesn't prey on tragic deaths this time. However it is still a fake story and misrepresents the chances of winning. Hope it is dealt with properly.

 

[dunover]

Don't tell me, this 'dodgy marketing company' again??

It seems CR are going down the Casumo road here. There is just NO WAY they can be unaware of this tidal wave of bullshit.

Now tell me if I'm being thick here but:

1. this is being done not by affiliates (we've been told by CR via Max this ISN'T an affiliate)
2. it's supposedly being done by a promotional company, right?
3. Casino Rewards pay this company money in some way, a fee or commission, yes? (unless they are the world's first marketing co. that works for free).
4. Company produces a vile, offensive and lying plug on Faecebook bringing CR's reputation into disrepute.
5. So CR fire them, refuse to pay them as any decent ethical business would after that????
6. So we get more BS and lies a few days later, same style of deceitful advert.
7. CR now getting even more tarnished.
8. So wielding the power of a paymaster to these 'promotional marketing companies' they seem to have done absolutely FA about it.

For it to be continuing people must be profiting from it.

Time methinks for a Faecebook campaign about this lot. And a video to be shared on YT. Can anyone provide me with a copy of the original removed ad or historical url?