This is what happens when you win too many times!

I think Nicolas has been both fair and reasonable in his comments. It's entirely up to them as to who they offer bonus to. There is really no need to take it personally if they make a business decision against you.

Can't believe this thread has run to seven pages :what:. A case of 'move on, nothing to see here' if ever I saw one.

Exactly what diamondgeezer states. This thread has gone on long enough. And bearing in mind how many times Nicholas has responded to this thread, he must be commended. I am positive his time is more valuable to other players, with more serious issues then a player that has been banned on a 400% bonus.
As far as length of time for paying out, heck most of the rtg casinos i play at pay within 24 to 78 hours. I also have a few that take up to 2 to 3 weeks if i use the instadebit deposit. This is just a given with online gaming. Enough trashing casinos unless there is a valid reason. As far as my opinion goes this thread should never of been started.
 
I think Nicolas has been both fair and reasonable in his comments. It's entirely up to them as to who they offer bonus to. There is really no need to take it personally if they make a business decision against you.
Can't believe this thread has run to seven pages :what:. A case of 'move on, nothing to see here' if ever I saw one.


Unfortunately people DO, because it IS a decision taken about YOU, and not a decision made generally about "all customers".

You WILL take offence when you are branded as an "unwanted customer" by a business, and have absolutely NO idea what made YOU so very "special" in this respect.

Others watching from the sidelines think "WTF are they smokin' in the boadroom, this makes no sense at all".

This is further compounded by the sheer SECRECY of the reasoning behind such decisions, there is NO "appeal", and no "right to understand".

The customer in this sense cannot get "closure", even though they may have decided they will never be a customer there again. It is this human need for "closure" that causes threads like this to run on, even though nothing will change as a result.

The same issues affect offline life, you can be refused entry to a club or bar simply because the landlord "doesn't like the look of you". This causes ill feeling because it can affect that person's life, for example - not being able to go with friends to that venue, which in turn negatively affects how they are seen by others.

Annie has a similar problem. She can't get into the "club", so therefore can no longer "socialise" with others who still have full access. The others, whatever they may say, or whatever they are told, are always going to be thinking "what has Annie done?". If the decision has been FAIR, it HAS been based on something "Annie has done", and it has been something that only a small minority of players "do".

Annie has TOLD us what she has done, but commercial secrecy prevents the casino giving THEIR side, which in turn suggests there IS something more to this issue, and something that customers CANNOT know, or the casino "could go out of business".

The only logical deduction is that Annie has a "system", and it WORKS!, and works MATHEMATICALLY in the long term, even if not demonstrated in the SHORT term.

This goes against the idea that "the house always wins", and that those that peddle the various "systems" are nothing more than "snake oil salesmen".

There MUST be "systems" out there that WORK, and these are known to the casinos who look for the patterns, and thus ARE prepared to make such decisions based on relatively small sample sizes because they cannot take the risk that they really HAVE seen a "system" in play, thus CANNOT allow things to continue long enough for a more reliable sample can offer proof that it IS a "system player", rather than a fluke.
 
VWM,

Let me tell you if I had a 'system' I would be winning a whole lot more. :D

As far as your post, you are pretty much on the mark. Regardless of the issues I had with the payout time, I never posted on any forum openly about Bet Phoenix until this thread. It really hurt my feelings that a casino, or anyone for the matter, would kick me to the curb for doing nothing wrong and I was and still am pissed.

When a player is bonus banned, account locked etc. the first thing that other players think is, 'OMG, what did they do?". "They had to do something bad for a casino to not want their money anymore." Then you are forever branded as a 'bad' person in the eyes of your peers.

But, water under the bridge. Now other casinos are getting money that would have been spent at Bet Phoenix. I wish Nicolas no ill will. Personally, I think he gets the brunt of the bitching when it really should go elsewhere.
 
VWM,

Let me tell you if I had a 'system' I would be winning a whole lot more. :D

As far as your post, you are pretty much on the mark. Regardless of the issues I had with the payout time, I never posted on any forum openly about Bet Phoenix until this thread. It really hurt my feelings that a casino, or anyone for the matter, would kick me to the curb for doing nothing wrong and I was and still am pissed.

When a player is bonus banned, account locked etc. the first thing that other players think is, 'OMG, what did they do?". "They had to do something bad for a casino to not want their money anymore." Then you are forever branded as a 'bad' person in the eyes of your peers.

But, water under the bridge. Now other casinos are getting money that would have been spent at Bet Phoenix. I wish Nicolas no ill will. Personally, I think he gets the brunt of the bitching when it really should go elsewhere.

Annie, please be fair. I've read about the whole fiasco and your were hardly kicked to the curb. When I think in terms of being kicked to the curb, I think of being barred. That is not the case. You were told you could only have max bonuses of 400%. Boohoo! That's still a good bonus! Still, however, you insist on trying to draw this casino through the muddy swamp. Bonuses are a privilege, not a God given right. When are some of you people gonna figure that out? Truth be known, if most of us were not on such a budget as to require a large bonus to have some appreciable amount of action, we would be better off not taking ANY bonuses. Just calling it as it is. Be honest with yourself here.
 
VWM,

Let me tell you if I had a 'system' I would be winning a whole lot more. :D

As far as your post, you are pretty much on the mark. Regardless of the issues I had with the payout time, I never posted on any forum openly about Bet Phoenix until this thread. It really hurt my feelings that a casino, or anyone for the matter, would kick me to the curb for doing nothing wrong and I was and still am pissed.

When a player is bonus banned, account locked etc. the first thing that other players think is, 'OMG, what did they do?". "They had to do something bad for a casino to not want their money anymore." Then you are forever branded as a 'bad' person in the eyes of your peers.

But, water under the bridge. Now other casinos are getting money that would have been spent at Bet Phoenix. I wish Nicolas no ill will. Personally, I think he gets the brunt of the bitching when it really should go elsewhere.

I think anyone who loves to play on line would have been knocked for a loop over this scenario. Human beings have feelings that can be hurt. Being made to feel badly when you know you did nothing wrong, would upset anyone. In any case, Annie did not slam Nicolas or the casino, she just shared how she felt over what happened.

Annie, please be fair. I've read about the whole fiasco and your were hardly kicked to the curb. When I think in terms of being kicked to the curb, I think of being barred. That is not the case. You were told you could only have max bonuses of 400%. Boohoo! That's still a good bonus! Still, however, you insist on trying to draw this casino through the muddy swamp. Bonuses are a privilege, not a God given right. When are some of you people gonna figure that out? Truth be known, if most of us were not on such a budget as to require a large bonus to have some appreciable amount of action, we would be better off not taking ANY bonuses. Just calling it as it is. Be honest with yourself here.

Annie was being fair and honest about her feelings. Maybe you are used to being bonus banned or put in the spotlight for something you don't understand. IMO Annie is and has been one of the most honest and forthright members since she joined here. She is not someone that would expect to be singled out. I was happy to see her write about her feelings over this. Now, as she says, it is water under the bridge.
 
Annie, please be fair. I've read about the whole fiasco and your were hardly kicked to the curb. When I think in terms of being kicked to the curb, I think of being barred. That is not the case. You were told you could only have max bonuses of 400%. Boohoo! That's still a good bonus! Still, however, you insist on trying to draw this casino through the muddy swamp. Bonuses are a privilege, not a God given right. When are some of you people gonna figure that out? Truth be known, if most of us were not on such a budget as to require a large bonus to have some appreciable amount of action, we would be better off not taking ANY bonuses. Just calling it as it is. Be honest with yourself here.


E-X-A-C-T-L-Y!!!:thumbsup:

So why the bannings?
Why do I have to play through my d+B 80 times instead of 40?
Because I live in the Netherlands.:what:
Guess that makes me a better slotplayer.:confused:

Whatever, I'll just stick to Microgaming.
 
Takethemoney,

I was not whining in my reply to VWM's post. I was explaining how I felt about what happened.

You don't know me, just like I don't know you. You have never read a post on this forum where I am whining about rigged games etc. But if I am po'd, you will know it.

Nicolas and I came to an understanding about this situation and we both left it alone. I believe that we have agreed to disagree.

Having had numerous conversations with CS and Dean at Bet Phoenix, Nicolas, in my opinion after consideration, is taking alot of heat about things that he has no control over and is trying to work out things as best he can.

And this is my opinion. I am entitled to it, as you are entitled to yours.
 

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