This is the end of playing Microgaming for me

[Nifty29]

Then after your post, I have given the reply, you even thanked me. I think we were settled, then you start attacking me again.

I said I quit, you still keep bullying me, what you want Nifty?

"On page 4 of this thread, I said I do not want to play this kind of game anymore..." you thanked me, I really mean it.

Tell me Nifty, why you start attacking me again?

Let us make a friendly deal to settle this once for all, the bet is the membership on this forum.

Is that fits you?

....because your identity, and therefore your reputation, has been called into question. Also, you accused me of never helping anyone when I obviously helped you by your own admission. I have no desire to attack or bully anyone......I just don't mince my words and I cannot stand dishonesty and having the trust of the membership abused.

If it turns out pinababy is wrong, then I will apologize and happily cease questioning you and agree to let bygones be bygones. As I said, let's see what inetbet (who have been informed) and Bryan have to say.

 

[plasticnote]

....because your identity, and therefore your reputation, has been called into question. Also, you accused me of never helping anyone when I obviously helped you by your own admission. I have no desire to attack or bully anyone......I just don't mince my words and I cannot stand dishonesty and having the trust of the membership abused.

If it turns out pinababy is wrong, then I will apologize and happily cease questioning you and agree to let bygones be bygones. As I said, let's see what inetbet (who have been informed) and Bryan have to say.

OK, I agreed on this.

 

[Pinababy69]

From list of winners at Inetbet:

Old / Expired Link

oyw7862 6/04/11 Coat of Arms (Minor Jackpot) $675.87

So...the Coat of Arms minor jackpot on June 4, 2011.

And the screenshot you posted here on June 4, 2011...the minor jackpot at Inetbet on Coat of Arms.

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots.4193/

It's post #21190, posted as Plasticnote. So either you are oyw7862, or you are posting your "friend's" screenshot as your own, or this is the biggest coincidence in the world. Either way, I don't really care, and if I am wrong, then I will apologize. The point I was trying to make is that someone who joined the "Quit Gambling" usergroup here, should not be signing up a new username, and continuing to play. It wasn't my intention to start a big fight. If you are oyw7862, then you obviously felt strongly enough previous to say you were quitting, yet you continue to play, and then when you lose....you cry rigged. And you are obviously chasing your losses, as well as pissing away big wins. It doesn't seem to matter if you win or lose, you are not happy...and that is a huge warning sign of someone who shouldn't be playing.

Much like Nifty, I also believe that people should not be allowed to have more than one account here, especially when the reason that the other account was closed/limited, was due to a gambling problem. There is a reason that Bryan will not reverse the limitations placed on the "Quit Gambling" usergroup.

EDIT: Came across something else Plasticnote. This post here:

Only if you know how much I spent to hit 2 RJs last month at INET and afterwards, how bad my game played. You will feel lucky you did not get them.

Would you like spend 11.5 K in exchange to win 2 RJs total 4K+?

You posted that in January, 2011. So I went and checked the Inet Winner's Page again:

oyw7862 12/22/10 Return of the Rudolph ( Jackpot) $3250.36

oyw7862 11/25/10 Triple Twister (Minor Jackpot) $751.86

So, two jackpots totalling 4K in the previous month, but you say you're not oyw7862? Sorry, but I don't believe you.

 

[KasinoKing]

Hi,
I hope I'm not being off topic. Considering Plasticnote's concern and Nifty's explanation is it possible to say that online roulette can also be considered as a slot machine? By that I would like to understand if the RNG software used by casinos for e.g. in roulette are "hard wired" to control the house edge and the RTP? If so, then when loosing let's say an "even" bet on roulette, would the result be determined a priori by the software before the spin takes place? If so...is that legal/moral? Wouldn't that explain some bad feelings reported by many players? Thanks for your input! Cheers.

There is absolutely no need for any casinos to "rig" in any way their Roulette.
The number of spots round the wheel and the pay-table GUARANTEE that in the long run the casino will make 2.7027%* profit off every single bet which is placed anywhere on the table. (* Euro single-zero Roulette)
It is simple mathematics.

This is relevant to the conversation, because Video Slots could be considered as absolutely fricking enormous roulette wheels with literally millions of spots. Each spot has a pay-out attached to it - of which 40% to 60% will be 0 x bet, loads will be small to medium wins, and only a handful of spots pay the jackpot.
Now if you add up ALL the possible payouts from ALL the spots and divide it by the total number of spots you will get something in the region of a 95% return to player (RTP).
So when you spin this enormous wheel, the casino can afford to let the ball land anywhere completely at random, because just like the regular Roulette wheel - their long term profit is 100% guaranteed.

KK

 

[plasticnote]

or you are posting your "friend's" screenshot as your own

We are close friend and he could not get his old account back.

We are very close just like this:

I did a quick google on "Pinababy69 + Nifty29", there are 670 links.

To compare I did my username with all my friends at CM, very few.

Number does not lie...

Can you have a BFF on internet forum, why can not I have a close friend in my real life?

You may not realize, but you do team up.

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I feel tired and I never think I will be involved in this type of thread, it is not fun for me, I will not reply any of your posts any more.

And I sure you that you have won... I will not come back...

thanks

 

[Mousey]

We are close friend and he could not get his old account back.

We are very close just like this:

I did a quick google on "Pinababy69 + Nifty29", there are 670 links.

To compare I did my username with all my friends at CM, very few.

Number does not lie...

Can you have a BFF on internet forum, why can not I have a close friend in my real life?

You may not realize, but you do team up.

?? We seem to have a problem with the concept of logic.

Nifty29 is not in the habit of posting Pina's winning screenshots as his own. (or vice-versa) Nor or either of them locked out for having quit gambling. Nor do they even live on the same continent... etc., etc., ad infinitum

(p.s.: Thanks for the detective work Pina. I don't have the patience anymore.)

 

[Nifty29]

We are close friend and he could not get his old account back.

We are very close just like this:

I did a quick google on "Pinababy69 + Nifty29", there are 670 links.

To compare I did my username with all my friends at CM, very few.

Number does not lie...

Can you have a BFF on internet forum, why can not I have a close friend in my real life?

You may not realize, but you do team up.

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I feel tired and I never think I will be involved in this type of thread, it is not fun for me, I will not reply any of your posts any more.

And I sure you that you have won... I will not come back...

thanks

Sorry oyw7862, but the new information Pina has unearthed pretty much proves you are who she says you are.

The only reason you don't want to keep going is that you know you've been sprung and it's only going to get worse from this point onwards once Bryan and Inetbet get involved.

Regarding the connection between Pinababy and myself....PMSL!! Are you SERIOUS?? Thankyou so much for the laugh I really needed it. Can you show me where your "friend" posted in the same thread as you? Or where he welcomed you? Why didn't you have an account before he was banned? He suddenly decided, after being sent to the quitting group, that he would tell you what a great forum it was and so you just had to sign up?? Give me a break.

At the end of the day oyw7862, it doesn't matter why you created your plasticnote account....it's against the rules and for a good reason. Someone coming back under another username doesn't actually bother me at all, as long as they are upfront about it and don't prey on the goodwill of the membership by abusing their trust. You weren't upfront about it, because you knew you would be banned, but the inevitable has occurred i.e. you got caught...and you've lost all respect from most members as a result. Hardly worthwhile was it?

Just be honest and come clean. Maybe then some might still have some respect for you, and Bryan might even let you stay in the non-gamblers group.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Regardless of who is who and who said what, @ plasticnote:

You seemed like a nice guy, and i enjoyed your screenshots.
I had similar thoughts often, but over the years just ended up taking breaks.
Sometimes the gut is a good thing to listen to
Whatever you decide, good luck in your life!

 

[Jennifer]

Man that thunderstruck II games is greedy as sin! I stopped counting at 500 spins without a bonus round. It must have went close to 700 spins before I just left. Free chips dont leave a sting in your mouth though

I saw someone in here say a forum member stated they didnt get a free spin in 287 spins on RTG. Im going to contact support and ask them about my cold run and to provide the actual stats. I played on one of their medium variance slots machines and it too had numerous features. I spun at least 600 times and didnt hit it.

 

[threescatters]

Regardless of whatever regarding other usernames on here (true or not I dont care) plasticnote you are one of the good guys on this forum, and I always enjoy your posts in threads. I cannot remember seeing you say anything bad about another user and you always try and help fellow gamblers/praise good casinos. It is a shame to see you go if you do go and if you are leaving I hope it is because you want to quit/take a break from gambling (which would be the right reason to) and not because of this thread, which would be a real shame.

There is a key point mentioned above about the multiple forum accounts thing, about trust and goodwill. Personally I think the only time there is a problem with multiple forum accounts is if a user initiates a PAB process, or trys to exert pressure on another user/casino. Clearly in those cases the user would have malicious/devious intent behind changing their identity and I could understand the witch hunt/banning. I don't however think theres any problem with someone posting screenshots, or chat type threads about casino games with a new account personally. I do understand why the rules exist on here tho, thats just my opinion.

Nifty I think you are an intelligent and experienced member but your being a little OTT here on plasticnote. plasticnote has not tried to deceive anyone about anything no matter what the case with multiple forum accounts. Who cares what name a screenshot was posted under!

Anyway have a good day guys.

P.S. Microgaming slots are not rigged! Just remember, a slot can be given any reels the operator wants, and any chance of hitting something and it cant be "rigged" - its not like a virtual deck of cards.

P.P.S Good luck with quitting gambling plasticnote, if that is your choice it is the right one imo.

 

[Nifty29]

Regardless of whatever regarding other usernames on here (true or not I dont care) plasticnote you are one of the good guys on this forum, and I always enjoy your posts in threads. I cannot remember seeing you say anything bad about another user and you always try and help fellow gamblers/praise good casinos. It is a shame to see you go if you do go and if you are leaving I hope it is because you want to quit/take a break from gambling (which would be the right reason to) and not because of this thread, which would be a real shame.

There is a key point mentioned above about the multiple forum accounts thing, about trust and goodwill. Personally I think the only time there is a problem with multiple forum accounts is if a user initiates a PAB process, or trys to exert pressure on another user/casino. Clearly in those cases the user would have malicious/devious intent behind changing their identity and I could understand the witch hunt/banning. I don't however think theres any problem with someone posting screenshots, or chat type threads about casino games with a new account personally. I do understand why the rules exist on here tho, thats just my opinion.

Nifty I think you are an intelligent and experienced member but your being a little OTT here on plasticnote. plasticnote has not tried to deceive anyone about anything no matter what the case with multiple forum accounts. Who cares what name a screenshot was posted under!

Anyway have a good day guys.

P.S. Microgaming slots are not rigged! Just remember, a slot can be given any reels the operator wants, and any chance of hitting something and it cant be "rigged" - its not like a virtual deck of cards.

P.P.S Good luck with quitting gambling plasticnote, if that is your choice it is the right one imo.

Well you're entitled to your view.

He misrepresented himself to everyone which is flat out lying and deception and its the kind of thing that a forum.doesn't need IMO. I also don't care what he wins and what he loses. I used to care about his opinions, but I can't respect someone who doesn't have the guts to be upfront about who he is.

 

[BustedFlush]

Man that thunderstruck II games is greedy as sin! I stopped counting at 500 spins without a bonus round. It must have went close to 700 spins before I just left. Free chips dont leave a sting in your mouth though

I saw someone in here say a forum member stated they didnt get a free spin in 287 spins on RTG. Im going to contact support and ask them about my cold run and to provide the actual stats. I played on one of their medium variance slots machines and it too had numerous features. I spun at least 600 times and didnt hit it.

My record on TS2 (always check your player stats) without a bonus was 1357 spins over 2.3 hours.........
I once downloaded and played it at a new MG casino and it took 7 1/2 hours to get my first MildDrizzle feaure - which paid 1/3 of a credit.......

 

[De Beuker]

well mathematicly speaking i have now done almost 320K , 320.000+++ Spins on that damn BDBA and never got 5 saphire, how can you explain that to me? and never got 5 of a kind higher than 10 on freespin.

Wait.. 320.000 spins and you never hit the A,Q,K (or higher) + wild in free spins on BDBA?
Sapphires are rare, they can elude you for a long time, but especially K's and Q's are quite common, even in free spins.

If you play 600 spins per hour, that would mean 320.000 spins take 22 days of playing 24 hours a day!

If I look at my own play, and how often I've hit Q's and K's in free spins, you must be the most unlucky BDBA player ever set foot on this planet.
Hope your luck turns for the better..

 

[BustedFlush]

I'm sorry, but:

1. RTP and variance are EXTREMELY relevant to the topic

2. It's not up to you what others post. Start a blog if you want to filter replies.

The phrase "I do not understand" is by far the most apt statement you've made. Now, there's nothing wrong with that at all, but the fact that you don't want to hear about the 2 primary reasons that explain your experiences shows that you're not interested in knowing the facts and only interested in blaming someone/something else for your losses.

It's like saying "I don't understand why I can't cook steak properly" and then saying "and I don't want to hear anything temperature, cooking time, seasoning etc". Instead, you would insist that its the cow's fault and the butcher didn't cut it correctly.

There is not one aspect of your experience that suggests the games aren't random. Slots like BDBA and LOTR are DESIGNED to payout huge and them pay nothing....its called high v******e. If you want the "ride" to be smoother, play different games.

Obviously, you did not consider the cup game example I provided, but then I'm not surprised. I also don't think you read the IGT reps post either, because if you did you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Anyway, I'm wasting my breath. Needless to say, you will continue to have this experience on this kinds of slots and probably continue to post about how rigged they all are. It's a shame, because if you're mind was open you could learn a lot, like I did many years ago, and even improve your bottom line.

This is what I was trying to tell you in the other thread; the ladders/layers will contain awards that you RNG pulls containing a lot of zeros and a few large ones. The bag contains a different selection of balls.......

 

[BustedFlush]

Hi All:

I used to be a true believer that slots outcomes are based on luck, the variance of slots is based on the reel map and possibility.

Then I learned that it might be that the slots outcomes are also based on:

1) economy condition
2) the player number at the time you are playing
3) if or not you have won/lost big amount in the very near past
4) the slots is newly released or old
5) Has someone else won/lost big amount in the very near past

And many many more theory...

It makes slots play such a complex thing... I can no longer handle.

I better stick to what I do good at, stocks and shares, at least company trading conditions are published

cheers

plasticnote

There is no meaning to what you see on the reels - they are simply a way of representing an award from the possible amounts for the game, selected from the payout layers/ladders. Take TS2 and IR for example. You have different symbols and arrangement of wilds, but the awards are the same as TS2. It (IR) would be known as a 'reglass' if it was a physical land-based slot. IR merely uses the same payout ladders with different representations. It is a CLONE.

 

[Nifty29]

This is what I was trying to tell you in the other thread; the ladders/layers will contain awards that you RNG pulls containing a lot of zeros and a few large ones. The bag contains a different selection of balls.......

If it is the same bag that you pull your theories from, then it contains more than balls....

Just be careful not to walk too close to the horizon so you don't fall over the edge.

 

[KasinoKing]

Take TS2 and IR for example. You have different symbols and arrangement of wilds, but the awards are the same as TS2. It (IR) would be known as a 'reglass' if it was a physical land-based slot. IR merely uses the same payout ladders with different representations. It is a CLONE.

That is not true. They are similar games - but definitely not clones.
The pay table for all the "regular" symbols it the same, but not for the Wilds:

5 Wilds: TS2 x 1000 ~ IR x 1500
4 Wilds: TS2 x 200 ~ IR x 250
3 Wilds: TS2 x 75 ~ IR x 100

Also the reel layouts are very different, for example:
The Lady in Red on IR (the equivalent symbol to Thor on TS2) appears next to or close to a wild on most reels - Thor does not.
There are a lot more scatters on reel 1 of IR than on TS2
Etc...

Finally, the free-spins and Wild Desire/Wild Storm features work slightly differently.

So I would say IR is based on TS2 - but it's not a clone of it.

KK

 

[Nifty29]

That is not true. They are similar games - but definitely not clones.
The pay table for all the "regular" symbols it the same, but not for the Wilds:

5 Wilds: TS2 x 1000 ~ IR x 1500
4 Wilds: TS2 x 200 ~ IR x 250
3 Wilds: TS2 x 75 ~ IR x 100

Also the reel layouts are very different, for example:
The Lady in Red on IR (the equivalent symbol to Thor on TS2) appears next to or close to a wild on most reels - Thor does not.
There are a lot more scatters on reel 1 of IR than on TS2
Etc...

Finally, the free-spins and Wild Desire/Wild Storm features work slightly differently.

So I would say IR is based on TS2 - but it's not a clone of it.

KK

Maybe bustedflush can prove they're the same using his "snakes and ladders" RNG theory.....or maybe even the "cluedo" or "stratego" theories.

 

[huny2]

I have made my mind of quit playing Microgaming, closed all my MG accounts in 32red plc.
I have to say, 32red casinos are still the best in my mind, I just get disapointed by Microgaming software.
I have played at 32red on daily base, have good wins, bad run all the time.
I have noticed a certain disturbing fact. Every time I have a good win put me ahead, the extreame bad run is immediately followed.
And it lasts long and hard based on how much you won.I have to say, this is a un-natural way correcting RTP IMO...

I, as a slots player, has already beared with 5% house edge, can not take much on this kind of RTP correction any longer.
Actually, I have experienced similar situations 3 times in the past 4 months without single exception.
When the extreme bad run kicks in, games are just unbearable.

I have tried various way to overcome this situation, however, all failed.
To a point, I have to admit, I can not fight against a determined software system.
No matter how much i have put in and no matter how dedicated i played.

Played Microgaming many long years, I think this is a sufficient reason to convince myself to quit all together.

Cheers

Plasticnote

Hello Plasticnote;
I agree with you. Drop Microgaming! I played with them for years and lost thousands of dollars without ever cashing out. I was glad when the US government took away that damn "golden goose." *looking over my shoulder to see if the forum detectives/police will report me to casino rewards (where I used to play)*

 

[SAunnyS72]

I have made my mind of quit playing Microgaming, closed all my MG accounts in 32red plc.
I have to say, 32red casinos are still the best in my mind, I just get disapointed by Microgaming software.
I have played at 32red on daily base, have good wins, bad run all the time.
I have noticed a certain disturbing fact. Every time I have a good win put me ahead, the extreame bad run is immediately followed.
And it lasts long and hard based on how much you won.I have to say, this is a un-natural way correcting RTP IMO...

I, as a slots player, has already beared with 5% house edge, can not take much on this kind of RTP correction any longer.
Actually, I have experienced similar situations 3 times in the past 4 months without single exception.
When the extreme bad run kicks in, games are just unbearabl
I have tried various way to overcome this situation, however, all failed.
To a point, I have to admit, I can not fight against a determined software system.
No matter how much i have put in and no matter how dedicated i played.

Played Microgaming many long years, I think this is a sufficient reason to convince myself to quit all together.

Cheers

Plasticnote

Feel for you mate ...You just articulated the reason behind my post here.

Exactly the same scenario ... Tried everything and it is all bad... And yes it is MG as every casino still pushes out same dry runs on the same machines after I hit 50k on MG... Yes the common link between all MG.

 

[Nifty29]

Feel for you mate ...You just articulated the reason behind my post here.

Exactly the same scenario ... Tried everything and it is all bad... And yes it is MG as every casino still pushes out same dry runs on the same machines after I hit 50k on MG... Yes the common link between all MG.

Actually, its just slots doing what slots do best....take your money.

All the stuff about common links and dry runs is absolutely right....it applies to all casinos regardless of software....and it is NORMAL.

It's not about MG cheating or seeded RNGs or other tinfoil hat theories or anything else....it is about human nature. You are looking for ways to explain your losses and convince yourself it is the software, when, in fact, it is YOU.....YOU gambled your money on a game with a big house edge, and, as expected, you had a few big wins but mostly losses.

A poor tradesman always blames his tools.

 

[SAunnyS72]

Actually, its just slots doing what slots do best....take your money.

All the stuff about common links and dry runs is absolutely right....it applies to all casinos regardless of software....and it is NORMAL.

It's not about MG cheating or seeded RNGs or other tinfoil hat theories or anything else....it is about human nature. You are looking for ways to explain your losses and convince yourself it is the software, when, in fact, it is YOU.....YOU gambled your money on a game with a big house edge, and, as expected, you had a few big wins but mostly losses.

A poor tradesman always blames his tools.

Ok, with all due respect... I think this is where you always sound condescending towards other players. Sorry mate, in your own head you might think you know more than others , but please be careful how you put across your assumptions and opinions.

No point of time did I say it is the casinos fault, or the word cheating or even trying to explain my losses... That is YOUR assumption. I have read through quite a few of your posts. While in every single one of them you try to act very rational in your opinion about the wins and losses, you are absolutely downright condescending towards other players.

May be you know more... Maybe you don't ... Doesn't matter, you are not everyone ... You do not and can not know EVERY scenario possible.

Please don't latch onto other peoples bad experiences and vent out your own frustrations.

BTW... I am not blaming my "tools" at all... I love my "tools" cause it gave me 150k+ wins !

 

[Nifty29]

Ok, with all due respect... I think this is where you always sound condescending towards other players. Sorry mate, in your own head you might think you know more than others , but please be careful how you put across your assumptions and opinions.

No point of time did I say it is the casinos fault, or the word cheating or even trying to explain my losses... That is YOUR assumption. I have read through quite a few of your posts. While in every single one of them you try to act very rational in your opinion about the wins and losses, you are absolutely downright condescending towards other players.

May be you know more... Maybe you don't ... Doesn't matter, you are not everyone ... You do not and can not know EVERY scenario possible.

Please don't latch onto other peoples bad experiences and vent out your own frustrations.

BTW... I am not blaming my "tools" at all... I love my "tools" cause it gave me 150k+ wins !

Whatever.

You can continue blaming the software (which IS what you're doing).

If you don't want people's opinion about your experiences don't post them in a public forum. I'm entitled to my opinion, and entitled to present facts to argue or make a point.

Don't start off with "OK with all due respect" when all you're going to do is slag me off. I didn't insult you personally so I don't expect to be insulted. I obviously struck a nerve.

 

[SAunnyS72]

Whatever.

You can continue blaming the software (which IS what you're doing).

If you don't want people's opinion about your experiences don't post them in a public forum. I'm entitled to my opinion, and entitled to present facts to argue or make a point.

Don't start off with "OK with all due respect" when all you're going to do is slag me off. I didn't insult you personally so I don't expect to be insulted. I obviously struck a nerve.

Really? I think I struck a nerve too lol...Did you read my post here... Or are you just 'assuming' again ... At least I had the decency of writing "with all due respect" ..

So you think it is fine for you to slag other people of just as long as no one else catches you out? You didn't really insult me personally ? .. Are you that deluded ? Lol

It's not about MG cheating or seeded RNGs or other tinfoil hat theories or anything else....it is about human nature. You are looking for ways to explain your losses and convince yourself it is the software, when, in fact, it is YOU.....YOU gambled your money on a game with a big house edge, and, as expected, you had a few big wins but mostly losses.

A poor tradesman always blames his tools.

To me... It is personally insulting when you make up a fake scenario and act as if that is what I said, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Funny thing is a forum holds all the posts from the past for people to go through to see what people are really all about

 

[Nifty29]

Really? I think I struck a nerve too lol...Did you read my post here... Or are you just 'assuming' again ... At least I had the decency of writing "with all due respect" ..

So you think it is fine for you to slag other people of just as long as no one else catches you out? You didn't really insult me personally ? .. Are you that deluded ? Lol



To me... It is personally insulting when you make up a fake scenario and act as if that is what I said, which couldn't be farther from the truth.

Funny thing is a forum holds all the posts from the past for people to go through to see what people are really all about

OK. I read that post and I had read it previously and I apologise that I didn't recall it when responding to you. I accept that you seem to have a more realistic view than I thought. I guess the part that threw me is that you were agreeing with a member here who pretty much IS blaming MG software I.e. he thinks its all rigged, when you stated you dont blame the software in your other post.

My frustration comes from players losing their shirt and throwing wild theories around and trying to convince others they are being "had".

I know realize you aren't doing that and I apologize unreservedly for getting the situation wrong.